[00:00] <Riddell> u2san: yes
[00:00] <Riddell> precise testers needed
[00:01] <Riddell> (beta)
[00:01] <u2san> which ppa?  IMO you'd get more testing if put in main repo?
[00:06] <Riddell> secret ninjas PPA. it'll go in the main archive once I know it all builds and I've not done anything stupid
[00:07] <u2san> staging looks empty/or perhaps private?  experimental is only 4.7.2?
[00:07] <Riddell> ~kubuntu-ninjas
[00:08] <Riddell> I can give people access
[00:08] <u2san> ok.. let me check
[00:17] <Riddell> oh well
[00:33] <BarkingFish> speaking of ninjas, Riddell - did you manage to get someone to sort the wiki out so I can add the 4.7.4 results to it?
[00:35] <Riddell> not trued sorry
[00:35] <Riddell> tried
[00:59] <BarkingFish> dang#
[00:59] <BarkingFish> I guess I can give it another quick try
[01:03] <BarkingFish> Riddell: it's still broken.  I get as far as clicking the OpenID login button, and it goes straight to an internal server error.
[01:03] <BarkingFish> If you let me know who to speak to, I'll go talk to them :)
[01:16] <Riddell> BarkingFish: file an rt ticket with canonical sysadmin
[01:17] <BarkingFish> 0.o
[01:17] <BarkingFish> ok...
[01:19] <BarkingFish> i would, if i could find out where I file it :)
[01:20] <micahg> BarkingFish: rt@ubuntu.com
[01:29] <BarkingFish> #19054
[10:45] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hah ... 
[10:54] <ybit> Was wondering if users can contribute patches to the website?
[10:55] <ybit> Kudos to those who have worked on it, but imho, it's pretty stale compared to ubuntu.com
[10:55] <ybit> It seems the wiki is starting to get some nice overhauls
[10:55] <ybit> Has more of the streamlined appearance
[10:56] <shadeslayer> ybit: probably best to write to the ML :)
[10:56] <ybit> ml?
[10:56] <shadeslayer> Mailing List
[10:56] <shadeslayer> ybit: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel
[10:56] <ybit> i knew you weren't talking about the programming lang
[10:56] <ybit> thanks
[10:57] <shadeslayer> Hehe, best to explain what you want to do, some mockups would be nice
[11:13] <Riddell> the website is fiddly to change alas
[11:13] <Riddell> needs someone who knos drupal and can deal with the sysadmins
[11:35] <ScottK> Riddell: 4.7.3 is now in -updates, so I think we need a web site announcement of that and 4.7.4 in the PPA for testing.
[11:42] <jussi> has anyone tried razorqt yet? Its _super_ fast
[11:46] <apachelogger> its kde with a less usefull plazmar
[11:55] <Riddell> ScottK: ack
[12:10] <Riddell> bulldog98_: "Riddell: pim-runtime override error /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Akonadi.MixedMaildir.Settings.xml is also in the -dev" which -dev?
[12:41] <Riddell> hmm, is it an issue if I use this version number for 4.8 beta oneiric builds? kde-workspace - 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1 
[13:04] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd do 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 or 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1
[13:04] <ScottK> Since there will be more 4.8 releases though I don't think it's a big deal.
[13:05] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah, thing is I already uploaded it to the ninjas PPA with 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1 and not sure I can be bothered reuploading and compiling it
[13:05] <ScottK> Then I'd leave it.
[13:29] <Riddell> got 4.7.4 all instaled, working here, even kontact
[13:29] <Riddell> and I found a nice lightdm blog entry in akregator http://www.sharpley.org.uk/node/26
[13:44] <ScottK> https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/using-kontactkmail-again/
[13:47] <Riddell> yay, you've come home
[13:49] <ScottK> All it takes is working software.
[13:50] <ScottK> I've even got contact and calender syncing working using akonadi googledata laptop -> phone/desktop and the reverse.
[13:56] <Riddell> unlike my e-mail server setup which has just stopped delivering e-mail because my inbox is 80MB sigh
[13:56] <Riddell> maybe I should switcdh it to akonadi
[14:09] <ScottK> Heh.  No.  Don't do that.
[14:22] <jussi> ScottK: how the heck did you get calendar sync working with gcal?
[14:22]  * jussi has tried and failed...
[14:22] <ScottK> jussi: Did you use akonadi-kde-resource-googledata ?
[14:22] <ScottK> WFM on oneiric with 4.4.73.
[14:23] <jussi> yes, I installed from the repos/ppa
[14:23] <ScottK> Err 4.7.3.
[14:23] <ScottK> Dunno then.  
[14:24] <ScottK> It does have the annoying habit of complaining every single error it sees is an invalid userid/password.
[14:24] <jussi> oh wait? now it seems to be working.... 
[14:24] <jussi> yeah, I had lots of complaints about invalid userid/password
[14:27] <jussi> well then... might be able to actually use kontact again...
[18:27] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:27] <_Groo_> i just upgraded from 4.7.4 to 4.7.90 in oneiric...
[18:28] <_Groo_> plasma-desktop is crashing along with kdaemon
[18:28] <_Groo_> anyone else is seeing similar problems?
[18:28] <_Groo_> ninja ppa btw
[18:31] <Riddell> going to install it shortly
[18:31] <Riddell> what happens if you install libkactivities
[18:33] <BarkingFish> Riddell: I managed to submit an RT ticket for the site, someone says they're able to log in perfectly well on the wiki.  I still can't however, so I've sent it back to RT again
[18:35] <_Groo_> anyone wants a dump for plasma and kded4 that are crashing here? ninja 4.7.90 oneiric
[18:35] <_Groo_> aparently its borking in the systray part
[18:36] <cmagina> _Groo_: do you have the weather applet enabled?
[18:37] <cmagina> _Groo_: nm, just remembered the issue i hit was actually fixed
[18:38] <_Groo_> cmagina: i tried with a fresh account, which created the default desktop, same crashes in both kded4 and plasma-desktop
[18:38] <_Groo_> im using unity while i wait for a fix :P
[18:50] <_Groo_> i found out what is the problem 
[18:50] <_Groo_> is the plasma-widget-networkmanagement thats crashing systemtray.so and taking kded4 and plasma-desktop with it
[18:51] <_Groo_> needs to be upgraded in the ppa to the new abi
[18:51] <_Groo_> brb relogging to kde
[18:54] <Riddell> hum
[18:55] <Riddell> this is going to need more ec2 machines
[19:15] <yofel> something for precise: once 4.7.90 is in the archive oxygen-gtk needs a rebuild - I got coloring issues in gtk apps until I rebuilt it
[19:16] <yofel> and does someone know how QML loads the Qt libraries? My device notifier doesn't work thanks to multiarch http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/devn.png
[19:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping
[19:40] <_Groo_> anyone porting plasma-network-manager for 4.7.90 oneiric in ninja ppa?
[19:42] <Riddell> yes I'll rebuild it
[19:42] <Riddell> thanks _Groo_ 
[19:42] <Riddell> although I'm curious to know what's not binary compatible, I did check all the libraries
[19:44] <_Groo_> Riddell: the developer in is blog explictly says the ABI is broken since he changed things to work with the new API in new soild in 4.8
[19:44] <_Groo_> so for 4.7.x use "legacy" plasma-nm, 4.8 forward, new nm
[19:45] <BarkingFish> Riddell: finally managed to get into the wiki at last, I've added my notes to the 4.7.4 table
[19:45] <Riddell> thanks  BarkingFish 
[19:45] <BarkingFish> I'll cancel the RT ticket now, or at least let them know I can get in
[19:45] <yofel> wouldn't it make sense to backport the newer pnm from precise then?
[19:46] <_Groo_> yofel: prolly yofel
[19:46] <_Groo_> want me to find out the developer blog?
[19:46] <Riddell> _Groo_: got a link for that blog?
[19:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah, sec
[19:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/
[19:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: this entry is important
[19:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/11/plasma-nm-0898.html
[19:48] <_Groo_> brb
[19:49] <Riddell> no comment about new ABI or API there
[20:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/10/plasma-nm-what-is-going-on-libnm-qt-and.html
[20:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: thats why it crashes
[20:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: All this means we are finally getting rid of Solid::Control classes (a goal from last year's Solid Sprint). KDE SC 4.8.0 is not going to use Solid::Control anymore, but libnm-qt and libmm-qt are going to be dependencies for any KDE program that needs to list network interfaces (kinfocenter for example). Update 23/10: removing Solid::Control::Network* now would also remove part of Wicd's support, so for now I will not r
[20:10] <_Groo_> Riddell: i dont know if he actually removed it or not... but the pnm in oneiric is definitely crashing both kded4 and plasma-desktop
[20:10] <_Groo_> also i cant use any activities :P but ill have to take a closer look at it tomorrow 
[20:11] <yofel> _Groo_: for latter you need to make sure kactivitymanagerd is installed
[20:13] <_Groo_> yofel: what package?
[20:13] <Riddell> libkactivities6
[20:14] <yofel> and I don't believe he removed it. AFAIK we don't have libnm-qt (or QtNetworkManager) in precise, and there it didn't break with 4.7.90
[20:15] <_Groo_> yofel: in oneiric is crashing systemtray.so which brings down both kded4 and plasma-desktop
[20:15] <yofel> got the trace?
[20:16] <_Groo_> ok now i installed it, why isnt kactiviies included in kde-full meta package?
[20:16] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah, pass me your email, ill send it to you
[20:16] <_Groo_> sec, brb
[20:17] <yofel> can't you just pastebin it?
[20:17] <yofel> or just send it at yofel@kubuntu.org
[20:20] <Riddell> kde-workspace doesn't link to libkactivities, but I think it should
[20:21] <Riddell> or rather it links but doesn't actually use so our linker doesn't link it
[20:24] <mikecb> would these plasma-nm issues affect kwallet integration? I just bumped to 4.7.4 and they no longer play nicely.
[20:27] <ScottK> kdelibs in 4.7.4 has the code for the new ksecretservice stuff in it.  It looked to me like it was IFDEF'ed out though
[20:27] <yofel> wasn't that supposed to be an optional plugin after all the discussion?
[20:28] <yofel> I somehow lost track of the situation midway...
[20:30] <mikecb> I figured something like that.  Behavior is sticks at waiting for authentication, or if the connection was set up without "In secure storage" , is never inserted if you later set that option. Just have to type in every time.
[20:30] <ScottK> Yes.  But it should never have gone into 4.7
[20:30] <ScottK> The upstream plan for kdelibs is just insanity for distros, but they really don't care.  Anyone that doesn't like the plan is a troll.
[20:46]  * yofel added his precise testing results on the packaging wiki
[20:50] <_Groo_> yofel: just sent you the kcrash files
[20:53] <yofel> _Groo_: please install plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg and re-retrace
[20:54] <yofel> or is that already installed?
[20:54] <_Groo_> yofel: i dont know, im heading home, ill send you when i get home
[20:54] <_Groo_> seeya guys later
[20:54] <_Groo_> but i can assure you if you use the new code you wont have any worries ;)
[20:54] <_Groo_> seeya later
[20:55] <Riddell> yofel: that's weird gtk2-engines-oxygen doesn't depend on anything in kde
[20:56] <yofel> well, without rebuilding it (it could've been some other change I guess) I had firefox rendering everything that didn't set a background color as black - which resulted in black on black for most websites
[20:57] <yofel> the menu slection foreground color and cursor color were also black - and had nothing to do with the oxygen color scheme for some reason
[20:57] <Riddell> I believe you, throwing a rebuild into the PPA, but it's weird
[21:03] <Riddell> yay, 4.7.90 working here
[21:04] <Riddell> just in time for 4.8.0 RC 1
[21:11] <Riddell> I don't have libkactivities-bin or libkactivities6 installed and not missing anything
[21:11] <yofel> Riddell: do you have an idea what's up with my device notifier?
[21:11] <yofel> the question is: do you have any activities in the first place?
[21:12] <yofel> if you see them then kactivitymanagerd is working fine, if the list is emtpy it's not installed
[21:13] <Riddell> hmm, I have search and launch listed but I think as a template
[21:14] <Riddell> oh aye, got loads more now I run kactivitymanagerd and restart plasma
[21:15] <Riddell> yofel: dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so
[21:15] <Riddell> ?
[21:15] <yofel> kde-runtime
[21:17] <Riddell> yofel: what version is installed?
[21:17] <yofel> 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu3
[21:19] <Riddell> yofel:  strings /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so  | grep linux 
[21:19] <Riddell> ?
[21:19] <yofel> buildkey=x86_64 linux g++-4 full-config
[21:20] <Riddell> yofel: and you're on amd64?
[21:21] <Riddell> so it's finding the i386 multiarch qt before the amd64 qt?
[21:21] <Riddell> what does ldd /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so  say?
[21:21] <yofel> hm, nvm
[21:21] <yofel> I just had kmix crash plasma twice and now it seems fine
[21:22] <Riddell> crashing twice doesn't seem like a "never mind" issue
[21:23] <yofel> well... first kmix crashed - just retracing. It took plasma with it - no retrace possible, on relaunch it crashed again, again no trace. After starting it now it's fine.........
[21:24] <Riddell> and device notifier?
[21:25] <yofel> works now
[21:25] <Riddell> so I can add the dependency on kactitymanagerd and upload to precise?
[21:26] <yofel> yep, seems good otherwise
[21:26] <yofel> kmix seems to be kde bug 285017
[23:29] <Riddell> hmm, I missed "Amarok 2.5 final tarball available"