[00:00] u2san: yes [00:00] precise testers needed [00:01] (beta) [00:01] which ppa? IMO you'd get more testing if put in main repo? [00:06] secret ninjas PPA. it'll go in the main archive once I know it all builds and I've not done anything stupid [00:07] staging looks empty/or perhaps private? experimental is only 4.7.2? [00:07] ~kubuntu-ninjas [00:08] I can give people access [00:08] ok.. let me check [00:17] oh well [00:33] speaking of ninjas, Riddell - did you manage to get someone to sort the wiki out so I can add the 4.7.4 results to it? [00:35] not trued sorry [00:35] tried [00:59] dang# [00:59] I guess I can give it another quick try [01:03] Riddell: it's still broken. I get as far as clicking the OpenID login button, and it goes straight to an internal server error. [01:03] If you let me know who to speak to, I'll go talk to them :) [01:16] BarkingFish: file an rt ticket with canonical sysadmin [01:17] 0.o [01:17] ok... [01:19] i would, if i could find out where I file it :) [01:20] BarkingFish: rt@ubuntu.com [01:29] #19054 [10:45] apachelogger: hah ... [10:54] Was wondering if users can contribute patches to the website? [10:55] Kudos to those who have worked on it, but imho, it's pretty stale compared to ubuntu.com [10:55] It seems the wiki is starting to get some nice overhauls [10:55] Has more of the streamlined appearance [10:56] ybit: probably best to write to the ML :) [10:56] ml? [10:56] Mailing List [10:56] ybit: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/kubuntu-devel [10:56] i knew you weren't talking about the programming lang [10:56] thanks [10:57] Hehe, best to explain what you want to do, some mockups would be nice [11:13] the website is fiddly to change alas [11:13] needs someone who knos drupal and can deal with the sysadmins [11:35] Riddell: 4.7.3 is now in -updates, so I think we need a web site announcement of that and 4.7.4 in the PPA for testing. [11:42] has anyone tried razorqt yet? Its _super_ fast [11:46] its kde with a less usefull plazmar [11:55] ScottK: ack [12:10] bulldog98_: "Riddell: pim-runtime override error /usr/share/dbus-1/interfaces/org.kde.Akonadi.MixedMaildir.Settings.xml is also in the -dev" which -dev? [12:41] hmm, is it an issue if I use this version number for 4.8 beta oneiric builds? kde-workspace - 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1 [13:04] Riddell: I'd do 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa1 or 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu0.1~ppa1 [13:04] Since there will be more 4.8 releases though I don't think it's a big deal. [13:05] ScottK: yeah, thing is I already uploaded it to the ninjas PPA with 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1~oneiric1 and not sure I can be bothered reuploading and compiling it [13:05] Then I'd leave it. [13:29] got 4.7.4 all instaled, working here, even kontact [13:29] and I found a nice lightdm blog entry in akregator http://www.sharpley.org.uk/node/26 [13:44] https://skitterman.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/using-kontactkmail-again/ [13:47] yay, you've come home [13:49] All it takes is working software. [13:50] I've even got contact and calender syncing working using akonadi googledata laptop -> phone/desktop and the reverse. [13:56] unlike my e-mail server setup which has just stopped delivering e-mail because my inbox is 80MB sigh [13:56] maybe I should switcdh it to akonadi [14:09] Heh. No. Don't do that. [14:22] ScottK: how the heck did you get calendar sync working with gcal? [14:22] * jussi has tried and failed... [14:22] jussi: Did you use akonadi-kde-resource-googledata ? [14:22] WFM on oneiric with 4.4.73. [14:23] yes, I installed from the repos/ppa [14:23] Err 4.7.3. [14:23] Dunno then. [14:24] It does have the annoying habit of complaining every single error it sees is an invalid userid/password. [14:24] oh wait? now it seems to be working.... [14:24] yeah, I had lots of complaints about invalid userid/password [14:27] well then... might be able to actually use kontact again... === rdieter_laptop is now known as rdieter [18:27] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [18:27] <_Groo_> i just upgraded from 4.7.4 to 4.7.90 in oneiric... [18:28] <_Groo_> plasma-desktop is crashing along with kdaemon [18:28] <_Groo_> anyone else is seeing similar problems? [18:28] <_Groo_> ninja ppa btw [18:31] going to install it shortly [18:31] what happens if you install libkactivities [18:33] Riddell: I managed to submit an RT ticket for the site, someone says they're able to log in perfectly well on the wiki. I still can't however, so I've sent it back to RT again [18:35] <_Groo_> anyone wants a dump for plasma and kded4 that are crashing here? ninja 4.7.90 oneiric [18:35] <_Groo_> aparently its borking in the systray part [18:36] _Groo_: do you have the weather applet enabled? [18:37] _Groo_: nm, just remembered the issue i hit was actually fixed [18:38] <_Groo_> cmagina: i tried with a fresh account, which created the default desktop, same crashes in both kded4 and plasma-desktop [18:38] <_Groo_> im using unity while i wait for a fix :P [18:50] <_Groo_> i found out what is the problem [18:50] <_Groo_> is the plasma-widget-networkmanagement thats crashing systemtray.so and taking kded4 and plasma-desktop with it [18:51] <_Groo_> needs to be upgraded in the ppa to the new abi [18:51] <_Groo_> brb relogging to kde [18:54] hum [18:55] this is going to need more ec2 machines [19:15] something for precise: once 4.7.90 is in the archive oxygen-gtk needs a rebuild - I got coloring issues in gtk apps until I rebuilt it [19:16] and does someone know how QML loads the Qt libraries? My device notifier doesn't work thanks to multiarch http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/devn.png [19:37] <_Groo_> Riddell: ping [19:40] <_Groo_> anyone porting plasma-network-manager for 4.7.90 oneiric in ninja ppa? [19:42] yes I'll rebuild it [19:42] thanks _Groo_ [19:42] although I'm curious to know what's not binary compatible, I did check all the libraries [19:44] <_Groo_> Riddell: the developer in is blog explictly says the ABI is broken since he changed things to work with the new API in new soild in 4.8 [19:44] <_Groo_> so for 4.7.x use "legacy" plasma-nm, 4.8 forward, new nm [19:45] Riddell: finally managed to get into the wiki at last, I've added my notes to the 4.7.4 table [19:45] thanks BarkingFish [19:45] I'll cancel the RT ticket now, or at least let them know I can get in [19:45] wouldn't it make sense to backport the newer pnm from precise then? [19:46] <_Groo_> yofel: prolly yofel [19:46] <_Groo_> want me to find out the developer blog? [19:46] _Groo_: got a link for that blog? [19:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: yeah, sec [19:47] <_Groo_> Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/ [19:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: this entry is important [19:48] <_Groo_> Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/11/plasma-nm-0898.html [19:48] <_Groo_> brb [19:49] no comment about new ABI or API there [20:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2011/10/plasma-nm-what-is-going-on-libnm-qt-and.html [20:08] <_Groo_> Riddell: thats why it crashes [20:09] <_Groo_> Riddell: All this means we are finally getting rid of Solid::Control classes (a goal from last year's Solid Sprint). KDE SC 4.8.0 is not going to use Solid::Control anymore, but libnm-qt and libmm-qt are going to be dependencies for any KDE program that needs to list network interfaces (kinfocenter for example). Update 23/10: removing Solid::Control::Network* now would also remove part of Wicd's support, so for now I will not r [20:10] <_Groo_> Riddell: i dont know if he actually removed it or not... but the pnm in oneiric is definitely crashing both kded4 and plasma-desktop [20:10] <_Groo_> also i cant use any activities :P but ill have to take a closer look at it tomorrow [20:11] _Groo_: for latter you need to make sure kactivitymanagerd is installed [20:13] <_Groo_> yofel: what package? [20:13] libkactivities6 [20:14] and I don't believe he removed it. AFAIK we don't have libnm-qt (or QtNetworkManager) in precise, and there it didn't break with 4.7.90 [20:15] <_Groo_> yofel: in oneiric is crashing systemtray.so which brings down both kded4 and plasma-desktop [20:15] got the trace? [20:16] <_Groo_> ok now i installed it, why isnt kactiviies included in kde-full meta package? [20:16] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah, pass me your email, ill send it to you [20:16] <_Groo_> sec, brb [20:17] can't you just pastebin it? [20:17] or just send it at yofel@kubuntu.org [20:20] kde-workspace doesn't link to libkactivities, but I think it should [20:21] or rather it links but doesn't actually use so our linker doesn't link it [20:24] would these plasma-nm issues affect kwallet integration? I just bumped to 4.7.4 and they no longer play nicely. [20:27] kdelibs in 4.7.4 has the code for the new ksecretservice stuff in it. It looked to me like it was IFDEF'ed out though [20:27] wasn't that supposed to be an optional plugin after all the discussion? [20:28] I somehow lost track of the situation midway... [20:30] I figured something like that. Behavior is sticks at waiting for authentication, or if the connection was set up without "In secure storage" , is never inserted if you later set that option. Just have to type in every time. [20:30] Yes. But it should never have gone into 4.7 [20:30] The upstream plan for kdelibs is just insanity for distros, but they really don't care. Anyone that doesn't like the plan is a troll. [20:46] * yofel added his precise testing results on the packaging wiki [20:50] <_Groo_> yofel: just sent you the kcrash files [20:53] _Groo_: please install plasma-widget-networkmanagement-dbg and re-retrace [20:54] or is that already installed? [20:54] <_Groo_> yofel: i dont know, im heading home, ill send you when i get home [20:54] <_Groo_> seeya guys later [20:54] <_Groo_> but i can assure you if you use the new code you wont have any worries ;) [20:54] <_Groo_> seeya later [20:55] yofel: that's weird gtk2-engines-oxygen doesn't depend on anything in kde [20:56] well, without rebuilding it (it could've been some other change I guess) I had firefox rendering everything that didn't set a background color as black - which resulted in black on black for most websites [20:57] the menu slection foreground color and cursor color were also black - and had nothing to do with the oxygen color scheme for some reason [20:57] I believe you, throwing a rebuild into the PPA, but it's weird [21:03] yay, 4.7.90 working here [21:04] just in time for 4.8.0 RC 1 [21:11] I don't have libkactivities-bin or libkactivities6 installed and not missing anything [21:11] Riddell: do you have an idea what's up with my device notifier? [21:11] the question is: do you have any activities in the first place? [21:12] if you see them then kactivitymanagerd is working fine, if the list is emtpy it's not installed [21:13] hmm, I have search and launch listed but I think as a template [21:14] oh aye, got loads more now I run kactivitymanagerd and restart plasma [21:15] yofel: dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so [21:15] ? [21:15] kde-runtime [21:17] yofel: what version is installed? [21:17] 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu3 [21:19] yofel: strings /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so | grep linux [21:19] ? [21:19] buildkey=x86_64 linux g++-4 full-config [21:20] yofel: and you're on amd64? [21:21] so it's finding the i386 multiarch qt before the amd64 qt? [21:21] what does ldd /usr/lib/kde4/imports/org/kde/plasma/components/libplasmacomponentsplugin.so say? [21:21] hm, nvm [21:21] I just had kmix crash plasma twice and now it seems fine [21:22] crashing twice doesn't seem like a "never mind" issue [21:23] well... first kmix crashed - just retracing. It took plasma with it - no retrace possible, on relaunch it crashed again, again no trace. After starting it now it's fine......... [21:24] and device notifier? [21:25] works now [21:25] so I can add the dependency on kactitymanagerd and upload to precise? [21:26] yep, seems good otherwise [21:26] kmix seems to be kde bug 285017 [21:26] KDE bug 285017 in Backend: Pulseaudio "Crash setting up Pulse Audio capture device via Skype" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=285017 [23:29] hmm, I missed "Amarok 2.5 final tarball available"