| snap-l | Evening | 01:23 |
|---|---|---|
| _stink_ | yo | 01:24 |
| jrwren | how do you all backup your systems? I nearly apt-get installed dump, but I checked the "ubuntu way" to find server guide recommends good old tar. | 02:37 |
| _stink_ | i use rdiff-backup. | 02:39 |
| jrwren | so, that is great for file backup. | 02:48 |
| jrwren | but I was looking more for system. | 02:48 |
| jrwren | I'd like to be able to just restore to new disk and go. | 02:48 |
| jrwren | but I guess requiring /boot makes that difficult. | 02:48 |
| jrwren | also,I'm worried about extended attributes and regular fs attributes. | 02:49 |
| jrwren | e.g., I don't think tar, or rsync will capture the fact that i ran chattr on some files. | 02:50 |
| jrwren | I lose that information in the backup | 02:50 |
| snap-l | rsync captures attributes | 03:28 |
| jrwren | holy crap, using tar with xz makes things cpubound again. its like 1996 all over again. | 03:33 |
| jrwren | snap-l: really? how? | 03:33 |
| jrwren | snap-l: how does it write attributes? | 03:33 |
| jrwren | snap-l: I'm talking linux attributes and EA | 03:33 |
| brousch | handbrake is not available for ubuntu 11.10? | 03:34 |
| brousch | what are we using to rip DVDs now? | 03:34 |
| jrwren | yeah, -X looks like it might work. now I just have to figure out if I want to use that or tar with xz :) | 03:34 |
| brousch | ah, found nightly snapshots of handbrake for oneiric | 03:51 |
| snap-l | jrwren: EA = ?? | 04:03 |
| snap-l | Extended Attributes? | 04:03 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I highly recommend rsync if you want live backups | 04:04 |
| snap-l | and tar if you want backups that degrade over time. ;) | 04:04 |
| jrwren | yes, extended attributes. | 04:26 |
| jrwren | i want highly compressed backups. | 04:26 |
| jrwren | gonna be hard to beat a xz compressed tar | 04:27 |
| snap-l | Save for that's two points of failure | 04:27 |
| jrwren | huh? | 04:27 |
| snap-l | gzip files, if they get corrupted, are useless | 04:27 |
| snap-l | and tar has a hard time recovering from bad blocks | 04:28 |
| jrwren | good points. | 04:28 |
| snap-l | bzip2 has a recovery mode | 04:28 |
| jrwren | but zomg xz LZMA ! | 04:28 |
| jrwren | so much compression! | 04:28 |
| snap-l | I'd recommend spending an extra $100 and foregoing compression | 04:28 |
| jrwren | k, now assume you can't. | 04:29 |
| snap-l | How much capacity is the destination volume? | 04:29 |
| snap-l | and how many backups are we storing? | 04:29 |
| jrwren | dest has 500G free | 04:30 |
| jrwren | i don't know how many backups i'm storing. I don't know how large a backup is, yet. | 04:30 |
| jrwren | I'll guestimate 4G ? I hope? | 04:30 |
| snap-l | 4G? Are you backing up an Eee? | 04:31 |
| jrwren | no, my linux system, but just system, no user files. | 04:31 |
| jrwren | oh, its past 6G... so maybe 10G ? | 04:32 |
| snap-l | etc is 18M on my machine | 04:32 |
| snap-l | backing up /usr is a bit pointless without /var | 04:32 |
| jrwren | i want /boot too. | 04:33 |
| jrwren | i should be able to boot a live CD and restore after configuring partitions | 04:33 |
| snap-l | And then run GRUB to restore the boot record? | 04:33 |
| jrwren | yup | 04:34 |
| snap-l | How quickly do you want to turn around this backup? | 04:34 |
| jrwren | few hr RTO would be fine. | 04:35 |
| snap-l | I guess my thought would be to just do a reinstall, and have a script to install the packages | 04:36 |
| snap-l | 10 minutes for re-install, network or local repo for the packages. | 04:36 |
| snap-l | save stuff like /var for the changing fiddly bits for mysql, postgresql, etc. | 04:36 |
| jrwren | i'd loose a lot of config | 04:36 |
| snap-l | and call it a day. | 04:36 |
| snap-l | so back up /etc | 04:36 |
| jrwren | unsatisfactory | 04:37 |
| snap-l | even better, make links from /etc/ to the files in userspace | 04:37 |
| snap-l | Have you ver restored a machine from backup like this? :) | 04:38 |
| jrwren | its been 10yrs, but I did then, yes. | 04:38 |
| snap-l | and did it work right afterwards? :) | 04:39 |
| jrwren | of course. | 04:39 |
| jrwren | i said yes. | 04:39 |
| snap-l | /dev worked OK? /proc worked OK? | 04:39 |
| jrwren | /proc doesn't back, you should know that. | 04:43 |
| jrwren | nor /sys | 04:43 |
| snap-l | I know. :) | 04:43 |
| jrwren | but /dev worked. | 04:43 |
| jrwren | hrm. I should probably unmount devfs and back that /dev | 04:44 |
| Wolfger | morning | 12:55 |
| brousch | happyjoyfulmorning2u | 12:57 |
| rick_h__ | morning | 12:59 |
| brousch | i'm enjoying xfce again today | 13:04 |
| brousch | i think that makes me 2 steps removed from awesome: xubuntu -> lubuntu -> awesome | 13:04 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: keep an eye on the end goal :) | 13:07 |
| brousch | retirement? | 13:20 |
| rick_h__ | awesome | 13:23 |
| snap-l | g'morning | 13:29 |
| Wolfger | brousch is too happyjoyful today | 13:58 |
| brousch | don't worry. jjesse's apple blocking htc post has me unhappy now | 13:59 |
| jjesse | yeah that annoyed me | 13:59 |
| jjesse | i blame apple | 13:59 |
| jjesse | those bastards | 13:59 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that's not cool on Apple's part | 14:00 |
| Wolfger | Haven't read that, but I am prepared to not be surprised... | 14:00 |
| brousch | is it too early to talk about desecrating steve jobs' corpse? | 14:01 |
| ColonelPanic001 | no such thing | 14:01 |
| brousch | interesting. i just glanced at a laptop i'm installing ubuntu 11.10 server onto and it was installing python-twisted-core. i wonder what they use that for in a regular old server? | 15:28 |
| snap-l | I think you can check the deps via dpkg. | 15:30 |
| snap-l | Oh man, Webcast has a SHITTY saxaphone version of Hey Jude. | 15:30 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'd like to form an angry mob to torture and kill anyone that choses to use silverlight. Anyone care to join me? | 15:31 |
| snap-l | ColonelPanic001: I'm in | 15:31 |
| snap-l | I have some Tiki torches | 15:31 |
| Scott_firebeta | netflix first? | 15:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | fucking blackboard site here uses it | 15:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I had to reboot my desktop, first time in a couple months | 15:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | works *fine* on windows though, of course | 15:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | IF ONLY I HAD WINDOWS ON MY LAPTOP | 15:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | idiots. | 15:31 |
| ColonelPanic001 | because we have no other way to play video on a computer. We need *another* shitty plugin to screw everything up. GREAT CHOICE GUYS | 15:32 |
| brousch | KILLKILLKILL | 15:41 |
| ColonelPanic001 | YES | 15:43 |
| snap-l | Apparently 1-800-flowers uses the same definition of "unsubscribe" that Techweb uses. | 15:59 |
| rick_h__ | ah, the great season for deliveries https://plus.google.com/103531985115858995929/posts/bgUEMyWvEdf | 16:20 |
| brousch | i'm about to try xubuntu on a p3 with 128MB of RAM. what are the odds it will work? | 16:23 |
| _stink_ | i bet it works... i used to run dapper with GNOME on a machine with those exact specs | 16:23 |
| _stink_ | it was slow. | 16:23 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Lovely. | 16:24 |
| brousch | i had to use the server install. the regular xubuntu desktop install thrashed for an hour without going anywhere | 16:25 |
| _stink_ | hah | 16:26 |
| CrusaderAD | what are you guys thoughts on Unity? | 16:32 |
| brousch | good in some ways, annoying in others | 16:32 |
| snap-l | CrusaderAD: It's a topic that is more likely than not to create flamebait | 16:33 |
| snap-l | I personally like Unity. | 16:33 |
| _stink_ | never tried it. | 16:34 |
| brousch | gnome shell is also good in some ways, annoying in others | 16:34 |
| brousch | as is kde | 16:34 |
| CrusaderAD | I like it too, but it seems a little unfriendly across different machines... little bugs seem to pop up here and there, I switched to Xubuntu till 12.04 | 16:34 |
| brousch | CrusaderAD: that's what i'm on right now | 16:38 |
| brousch | but i have tried them all over the last couple of months | 16:38 |
| CrusaderAD | brousch: I love it so far, been on it for about a month at work and home... simple and fast | 16:39 |
| brousch | yes, very quick | 16:39 |
| brousch | a few tweaks made it look just like gnome2 | 16:40 |
| ColonelPanic001 | my favorite tweak for Unity is installing KDE | 16:42 |
| CrusaderAD | I was surprised to see a "dock" panel implemented, my first impression was, "this is xfce, right?" | 16:42 |
| CrusaderAD | I left it there tho... works great | 16:43 |
| brousch | i like my workspaces and window list down there | 16:44 |
| brousch | launcher button in the upper left | 16:44 |
| brousch | buttons | 16:45 |
| CrusaderAD | nice | 16:47 |
| brousch | the greybird theme is very nice | 16:47 |
| CrusaderAD | it is, I tried a few others, but the default is just the best imo... have you noticed xfce-look.org going down lately? | 16:48 |
| CrusaderAD | that website seems hit or miss... they must be having problems | 16:49 |
| _stink_ | is there a greybeard theme too? | 16:49 |
| brousch | i have not visited it | 16:50 |
| snap-l | http://catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/graphics/vt100.jpg <- Sexxxy. | 16:50 |
| brousch | looks like a toaster oven | 16:51 |
| CrusaderAD | or a terminal from 2011: A Space Odyssey | 16:52 |
| ColonelPanic001 | hah | 16:55 |
| ColonelPanic001 | it'd be gret to put modern parts in there | 16:55 |
| ColonelPanic001 | run vim, etc | 16:55 |
| brousch | snap-l: why are you in the dog house? | 17:22 |
| snap-l | I said that JoDee was "well trained" because when we were at the music store, she mentioned that Henry Rollins was performing at the Michigan Theater in Ann Arbor | 17:26 |
| snap-l | Apparently that's regarded as a "bad move" | 17:27 |
| brousch | did you pat her on the head? | 17:31 |
| snap-l | no, but that was bad enough | 17:31 |
| snap-l | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/IBM_5100_-_MfK_Bern.jpg <- Wow, talk about a wonky keyboard | 17:34 |
| snap-l | There's no quote key. | 17:34 |
| brousch | ran into this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/833619 | 17:54 |
| brousch | tried to apport-collect info for it and i had to login to launchpad via w3m | 17:55 |
| brousch | that didn't go well | 17:55 |
| rick_h__ | <3 w3m | 17:55 |
| rick_h__ | why did it not go well? | 17:55 |
| brousch | couldn't type in the fields | 17:55 |
| brousch | it kept jumping out of the field to the top of the page | 17:56 |
| brousch | i blame rick_h__ since he controls launchpad now | 17:56 |
| rick_h__ | logical move for sure | 17:56 |
| rick_h__ | yea, w3m has some ui/keys you need | 17:56 |
| rick_h__ | it's not quite like a normal web browser | 17:57 |
| brousch | i didn't see any help there. i tabbed to the field and started typing | 17:57 |
| rick_h__ | brousch right, I think you have to hit enter to "focus" the field to be able to type in it | 17:58 |
| brousch | i should have tried vim-like modes i guess | 17:58 |
| rick_h__ | once you started typing it was catching key-bindings for things like moving around | 17:58 |
| rick_h__ | I *think* been a little bit since I filled out a form with it | 17:58 |
| brousch | i'll try again | 17:58 |
| rick_h__ | I'm loading it up to remind myself, sec. I used to use it as my html email viewer in mutt but finally broke down and open it in chrome now | 17:59 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: yea, move down to the field, hit enter, and at the bottom should be a "TEXT" you type into | 18:01 |
| rick_h__ | you can move around with hjkl like in vim | 18:01 |
| brousch | i think it worked | 18:01 |
| rick_h__ | cool | 18:01 |
| rick_h__ | it's actually a pretty good text based web browser | 18:01 |
| rick_h__ | but so damn many emails are images and are starting to only send html only | 18:02 |
| brousch | damnit. it rejected the report due to the bug being closed | 18:02 |
| * rick_h__ goes off to grumble in the corner with the plain text or die peeps | 18:02 | |
| brousch | liars! | 18:02 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: but the bug is labeled fix released | 18:02 |
| rick_h__ | crap he's here...run!!! | 18:04 |
| brousch | sure it is | 18:04 |
| brousch | i guess the fix is to install gdm | 18:04 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: can't get rid of me that easily. ;) | 18:04 |
| rick_h__ | I can try! | 18:06 |
| brousch | damn this thing is slow | 18:09 |
| brousch | hopefully i have some of this ancient ram at home | 18:09 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: what is it? | 18:10 |
| brousch | pc133 sdram | 18:10 |
| rick_h__ | crap, nvm...I threw it out after forgetting to give it to snap-l 3 times | 18:10 |
| brousch | http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/HP-memory/Presario+1700+Series/Presario+1700T+Series+(133MHz)-upgrades.html | 18:10 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: yea, I had some and finally threw it out. Sorry, forgot | 18:10 |
| brousch | no problem | 18:10 |
| brousch | this one of those "see if you can resurrect it using linux" things | 18:10 |
| rick_h__ | yea, usually not worth the power bill these days :/ | 18:11 |
| rick_h__ | Blazeix: hey, how's your battery life treating you? Did you get the extended or accessories yet? | 18:11 |
| brousch | well it's not for me, it's for a friend | 18:12 |
| brousch | success could lead to more linux usage | 18:12 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: ah, gotcha | 18:12 |
| Blazeix | rick_h__: i'm pretty happy with battery usage. I had a pretty heavy day yesterday of navigation, web browsing, and gaming, and it still lasted until about 2am this morning. | 19:17 |
| rick_h__ | Blazeix: ugh, ok. 4g off? | 19:18 |
| Blazeix | off and on. I was in lansing for about 6 hours, and they didn't have 4g where I was. | 19:18 |
| Blazeix | no extended battery | 19:19 |
| rick_h__ | yea, I can't find it on the website | 19:19 |
| rick_h__ | and the desk dock charger isn't anywhere to be seen :( | 19:19 |
| Blazeix | yeah, i'm waiting for the desk dock too | 19:19 |
| rick_h__ | I think because I've got low reception in my basement office I crank through more battery than some perhaps | 19:19 |
| rick_h__ | reception is a little lower than in Dinc I think | 19:20 |
| rick_h__ | ok, well curious. <3 the thing, but in my Dinc I had that giant battery pack that was 2x the stock and could use the @#$# out of it for 2 days straight | 19:20 |
| rick_h__ | http://www.amazon.com/Altec-Lansing-iM227-Orbit-Speaker/dp/B004CYKEBK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324408925&sr=8-1 fixed my speaker problem pretty well | 19:22 |
| brousch | i hereby declare that 128MB is not enough RAM for xubuntu | 19:23 |
| rick_h__ | lol | 19:23 |
| brousch | but, i think i found 2x256MB at home | 19:24 |
| snap-l | brousch: I think you'll find 512 is barely enough | 19:35 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: What speaker problem does this solve? The ugly speaker problem? | 19:36 |
| brousch | does it have bass? | 19:36 |
| snap-l | I think it barely has treble | 19:37 |
| snap-l | http://www.amazon.com/Altec-Lansing-BXR1221-Speaker-System/dp/B0025VKUQ6/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324409951&sr=1-13 | 19:42 |
| brousch | darn, it rejected my ram. gonna bump it up to 256MB and see if it's usable | 19:43 |
| brousch | ok, gdm came up without thrashing | 19:45 |
| snap-l | OK, I'm sure this is in the "who cares" bucket, but damn: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/12/20/144023131/report-ohio-state-football-team-banned-from-postseason-play-next-year?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | 19:56 |
| jjesse | yay | 20:09 |
| brousch | nice, it's only use 135MB of RAM | 20:12 |
| brousch | that leaves just about enough for a web browser | 20:12 |
| brousch | using 119MB with nothing open | 20:16 |
| snap-l | Anybody here read Read Write Web? | 20:35 |
| ColonelPanic001 | no | 20:35 |
| snap-l | I'm very close to stopping myslf | 20:36 |
| snap-l | seems like a lot of sponsored content | 20:36 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I've never seen it | 20:36 |
| snap-l | started reading it because JZB worked on the sire | 20:36 |
| snap-l | site | 20:36 |
| ColonelPanic001 | JZB sired it | 20:36 |
| snap-l | Heh | 20:37 |
| snap-l | not entirely. | 20:37 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I don't know who JZB is | 20:37 |
| ColonelPanic001 | :\ | 20:37 |
| snap-l | Joe Brockmeier | 20:37 |
| snap-l | Zonker | 20:37 |
| ColonelPanic001 | ah | 20:37 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I don't know who that is | 20:37 |
| snap-l | I have no cure for you. | 20:37 |
| rick_h__ | snap-l: the phone speaker is very quiet | 20:38 |
| ColonelPanic001 | It's a terminal case of not knowing JZB | 20:38 |
| snap-l | Wow, Kobo is giving me a free book | 21:27 |
| snap-l | http://paste.mitechie.com/show/479/ | 21:28 |
| snap-l | Of course, the select list has suck dreck as "Mitch Albom's The Five People You Meet in Heaven" | 21:29 |
| rick_h__ | LOL | 21:29 |
| snap-l | So I bought Anthony Bourdain's Kitchen Confidential | 21:30 |
| snap-l | JoDee likes Anthony Bourdain, and I can live with myself. | 21:35 |
| snap-l | http://zavod.se/presskit/ | 21:36 |
| snap-l | Asked this band to release their stuff under a CC license. | 21:36 |
| snap-l | Wow, and the list shrunk to 8 titles. | 21:39 |
| snap-l | Wonder if the publishers got upset. | 21:39 |
| snap-l | Or is it just that their site sucks | 21:42 |
| snap-l | thinking it's the latter. | 21:42 |
| brousch | there are a limited number of each ebook | 21:43 |
| brousch | you can only make so many copies of bits before they rot | 21:43 |
| snap-l | Whatever. If they want to unsell me this book, they can rot in a dumpster for all I care. | 21:44 |
| snap-l | It's not like I can't "fix" my Kobo so it never goes back on the network ever again. | 21:45 |
| snap-l | The Floor Tom came for my little niece. | 22:24 |
| snap-l | And it is awesome. | 22:24 |
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