[01:23] Evening [01:24] <_stink_> yo [02:37] how do you all backup your systems? I nearly apt-get installed dump, but I checked the "ubuntu way" to find server guide recommends good old tar. [02:39] <_stink_> i use rdiff-backup. [02:48] so, that is great for file backup. [02:48] but I was looking more for system. [02:48] I'd like to be able to just restore to new disk and go. [02:48] but I guess requiring /boot makes that difficult. [02:49] also,I'm worried about extended attributes and regular fs attributes. [02:50] e.g., I don't think tar, or rsync will capture the fact that i ran chattr on some files. [02:50] I lose that information in the backup [03:28] rsync captures attributes [03:33] holy crap, using tar with xz makes things cpubound again. its like 1996 all over again. [03:33] snap-l: really? how? [03:33] snap-l: how does it write attributes? [03:33] snap-l: I'm talking linux attributes and EA [03:34] handbrake is not available for ubuntu 11.10? [03:34] what are we using to rip DVDs now? [03:34] yeah, -X looks like it might work. now I just have to figure out if I want to use that or tar with xz :) [03:51] ah, found nightly snapshots of handbrake for oneiric [04:03] jrwren: EA = ?? [04:03] Extended Attributes? [04:04] jrwren: I highly recommend rsync if you want live backups [04:04] and tar if you want backups that degrade over time. ;) [04:26] yes, extended attributes. [04:26] i want highly compressed backups. [04:27] gonna be hard to beat a xz compressed tar [04:27] Save for that's two points of failure [04:27] huh? [04:27] gzip files, if they get corrupted, are useless [04:28] and tar has a hard time recovering from bad blocks [04:28] good points. [04:28] bzip2 has a recovery mode [04:28] but zomg xz LZMA ! [04:28] so much compression! [04:28] I'd recommend spending an extra $100 and foregoing compression [04:29] k, now assume you can't. [04:29] How much capacity is the destination volume? [04:29] and how many backups are we storing? [04:30] dest has 500G free [04:30] i don't know how many backups i'm storing. I don't know how large a backup is, yet. [04:30] I'll guestimate 4G ? I hope? [04:31] 4G? Are you backing up an Eee? [04:31] no, my linux system, but just system, no user files. [04:32] oh, its past 6G... so maybe 10G ? [04:32] etc is 18M on my machine [04:32] backing up /usr is a bit pointless without /var [04:33] i want /boot too. [04:33] i should be able to boot a live CD and restore after configuring partitions [04:33] And then run GRUB to restore the boot record? [04:34] yup [04:34] How quickly do you want to turn around this backup? [04:35] few hr RTO would be fine. [04:36] I guess my thought would be to just do a reinstall, and have a script to install the packages [04:36] 10 minutes for re-install, network or local repo for the packages. [04:36] save stuff like /var for the changing fiddly bits for mysql, postgresql, etc. [04:36] i'd loose a lot of config [04:36] and call it a day. [04:36] so back up /etc [04:37] unsatisfactory [04:37] even better, make links from /etc/ to the files in userspace [04:38] Have you ver restored a machine from backup like this? :) [04:38] its been 10yrs, but I did then, yes. [04:39] and did it work right afterwards? :) [04:39] of course. [04:39] i said yes. [04:39] /dev worked OK? /proc worked OK? [04:43] /proc doesn't back, you should know that. [04:43] nor /sys [04:43] I know. :) [04:43] but /dev worked. [04:44] hrm. I should probably unmount devfs and back that /dev [12:55] morning [12:57] happyjoyfulmorning2u [12:59] morning [13:04] i'm enjoying xfce again today [13:04] i think that makes me 2 steps removed from awesome: xubuntu -> lubuntu -> awesome [13:07] brousch: keep an eye on the end goal :) [13:20] retirement? [13:23] awesome [13:29] g'morning [13:58] brousch is too happyjoyful today [13:59] don't worry. jjesse's apple blocking htc post has me unhappy now [13:59] yeah that annoyed me [13:59] i blame apple [13:59] those bastards [14:00] Yeah, that's not cool on Apple's part [14:00] Haven't read that, but I am prepared to not be surprised... [14:01] is it too early to talk about desecrating steve jobs' corpse? [14:01] no such thing [15:28] interesting. i just glanced at a laptop i'm installing ubuntu 11.10 server onto and it was installing python-twisted-core. i wonder what they use that for in a regular old server? [15:30] I think you can check the deps via dpkg. [15:30] Oh man, Webcast has a SHITTY saxaphone version of Hey Jude. [15:31] I'd like to form an angry mob to torture and kill anyone that choses to use silverlight. Anyone care to join me? [15:31] ColonelPanic001: I'm in [15:31] I have some Tiki torches [15:31] netflix first? [15:31] fucking blackboard site here uses it [15:31] I had to reboot my desktop, first time in a couple months [15:31] works *fine* on windows though, of course [15:31] IF ONLY I HAD WINDOWS ON MY LAPTOP [15:31] idiots. [15:32] because we have no other way to play video on a computer. We need *another* shitty plugin to screw everything up. GREAT CHOICE GUYS [15:41] KILLKILLKILL [15:43] YES [15:59] Apparently 1-800-flowers uses the same definition of "unsubscribe" that Techweb uses. [16:20] ah, the great season for deliveries https://plus.google.com/103531985115858995929/posts/bgUEMyWvEdf [16:23] i'm about to try xubuntu on a p3 with 128MB of RAM. what are the odds it will work? [16:23] <_stink_> i bet it works... i used to run dapper with GNOME on a machine with those exact specs [16:23] <_stink_> it was slow. [16:24] rick_h__: Lovely. [16:25] i had to use the server install. the regular xubuntu desktop install thrashed for an hour without going anywhere [16:26] <_stink_> hah [16:32] what are you guys thoughts on Unity? [16:32] good in some ways, annoying in others [16:33] CrusaderAD: It's a topic that is more likely than not to create flamebait [16:33] I personally like Unity. [16:34] <_stink_> never tried it. [16:34] gnome shell is also good in some ways, annoying in others [16:34] as is kde [16:34] I like it too, but it seems a little unfriendly across different machines... little bugs seem to pop up here and there, I switched to Xubuntu till 12.04 [16:38] CrusaderAD: that's what i'm on right now [16:38] but i have tried them all over the last couple of months [16:39] brousch: I love it so far, been on it for about a month at work and home... simple and fast [16:39] yes, very quick [16:40] a few tweaks made it look just like gnome2 [16:42] my favorite tweak for Unity is installing KDE [16:42] I was surprised to see a "dock" panel implemented, my first impression was, "this is xfce, right?" [16:43] I left it there tho... works great [16:44] i like my workspaces and window list down there [16:44] launcher button in the upper left [16:45] buttons [16:47] nice [16:47] the greybird theme is very nice [16:48] it is, I tried a few others, but the default is just the best imo... have you noticed xfce-look.org going down lately? [16:49] that website seems hit or miss... they must be having problems [16:49] <_stink_> is there a greybeard theme too? [16:50] i have not visited it [16:50] http://catb.org/~esr/writings/taouu/html/graphics/vt100.jpg <- Sexxxy. [16:51] looks like a toaster oven [16:52] or a terminal from 2011: A Space Odyssey [16:55] hah [16:55] it'd be gret to put modern parts in there [16:55] run vim, etc [17:22] snap-l: why are you in the dog house? [17:26] I said that JoDee was "well trained" because when we were at the music store, she mentioned that Henry Rollins was performing at the Michigan Theater in Ann Arbor [17:27] Apparently that's regarded as a "bad move" [17:31] did you pat her on the head? [17:31] no, but that was bad enough [17:34] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2d/IBM_5100_-_MfK_Bern.jpg <- Wow, talk about a wonky keyboard [17:34] There's no quote key. [17:54] ran into this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/833619 [17:55] tried to apport-collect info for it and i had to login to launchpad via w3m [17:55] that didn't go well [17:55] <3 w3m [17:55] why did it not go well? [17:55] couldn't type in the fields [17:56] it kept jumping out of the field to the top of the page [17:56] i blame rick_h__ since he controls launchpad now [17:56] logical move for sure [17:56] yea, w3m has some ui/keys you need [17:57] it's not quite like a normal web browser [17:57] i didn't see any help there. i tabbed to the field and started typing [17:58] brousch right, I think you have to hit enter to "focus" the field to be able to type in it [17:58] i should have tried vim-like modes i guess [17:58] once you started typing it was catching key-bindings for things like moving around [17:58] I *think* been a little bit since I filled out a form with it [17:58] i'll try again [17:59] I'm loading it up to remind myself, sec. I used to use it as my html email viewer in mutt but finally broke down and open it in chrome now [18:01] brousch: yea, move down to the field, hit enter, and at the bottom should be a "TEXT" you type into [18:01] you can move around with hjkl like in vim [18:01] i think it worked [18:01] cool [18:01] it's actually a pretty good text based web browser [18:02] but so damn many emails are images and are starting to only send html only [18:02] damnit. it rejected the report due to the bug being closed [18:02] * rick_h__ goes off to grumble in the corner with the plain text or die peeps [18:02] liars! [18:02] brousch: but the bug is labeled fix released [18:04] crap he's here...run!!! [18:04] sure it is [18:04] i guess the fix is to install gdm [18:04] rick_h__: can't get rid of me that easily. ;) [18:06] I can try! [18:09] damn this thing is slow [18:09] hopefully i have some of this ancient ram at home [18:10] brousch: what is it? [18:10] pc133 sdram [18:10] crap, nvm...I threw it out after forgetting to give it to snap-l 3 times [18:10] http://www.crucial.com/upgrade/HP-memory/Presario+1700+Series/Presario+1700T+Series+(133MHz)-upgrades.html [18:10] brousch: yea, I had some and finally threw it out. Sorry, forgot [18:10] no problem [18:10] this one of those "see if you can resurrect it using linux" things [18:11] yea, usually not worth the power bill these days :/ [18:11] Blazeix: hey, how's your battery life treating you? Did you get the extended or accessories yet? [18:12] well it's not for me, it's for a friend [18:12] success could lead to more linux usage [18:12] brousch: ah, gotcha [19:17] rick_h__: i'm pretty happy with battery usage. I had a pretty heavy day yesterday of navigation, web browsing, and gaming, and it still lasted until about 2am this morning. [19:18] Blazeix: ugh, ok. 4g off? [19:18] off and on. I was in lansing for about 6 hours, and they didn't have 4g where I was. [19:19] no extended battery [19:19] yea, I can't find it on the website [19:19] and the desk dock charger isn't anywhere to be seen :( [19:19] yeah, i'm waiting for the desk dock too [19:19] I think because I've got low reception in my basement office I crank through more battery than some perhaps [19:20] reception is a little lower than in Dinc I think [19:20] ok, well curious. <3 the thing, but in my Dinc I had that giant battery pack that was 2x the stock and could use the @#$# out of it for 2 days straight [19:22] http://www.amazon.com/Altec-Lansing-iM227-Orbit-Speaker/dp/B004CYKEBK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324408925&sr=8-1 fixed my speaker problem pretty well [19:23] i hereby declare that 128MB is not enough RAM for xubuntu [19:23] lol [19:24] but, i think i found 2x256MB at home [19:35] brousch: I think you'll find 512 is barely enough [19:36] rick_h__: What speaker problem does this solve? The ugly speaker problem? [19:36] does it have bass? [19:37] I think it barely has treble [19:42] http://www.amazon.com/Altec-Lansing-BXR1221-Speaker-System/dp/B0025VKUQ6/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1324409951&sr=1-13 [19:43] darn, it rejected my ram. gonna bump it up to 256MB and see if it's usable [19:45] ok, gdm came up without thrashing [19:56] OK, I'm sure this is in the "who cares" bucket, but damn: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/12/20/144023131/report-ohio-state-football-team-banned-from-postseason-play-next-year?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter [20:09] yay [20:12] nice, it's only use 135MB of RAM [20:12] that leaves just about enough for a web browser [20:16] using 119MB with nothing open [20:35] Anybody here read Read Write Web? [20:35] no [20:36] I'm very close to stopping myslf [20:36] seems like a lot of sponsored content [20:36] I've never seen it [20:36] started reading it because JZB worked on the sire [20:36] site [20:36] JZB sired it [20:37] Heh [20:37] not entirely. [20:37] I don't know who JZB is [20:37] :\ [20:37] Joe Brockmeier [20:37] Zonker [20:37] ah [20:37] I don't know who that is [20:37] I have no cure for you. [20:38] snap-l: the phone speaker is very quiet [20:38] It's a terminal case of not knowing JZB [21:27] Wow, Kobo is giving me a free book [21:28] http://paste.mitechie.com/show/479/ [21:29] Of course, the select list has suck dreck as "Mitch Albom's The Five People You Meet in Heaven" [21:29] LOL [21:30] So I bought Anthony Bourdain's Kitchen Confidential [21:35] JoDee likes Anthony Bourdain, and I can live with myself. [21:36] http://zavod.se/presskit/ [21:36] Asked this band to release their stuff under a CC license. [21:39] Wow, and the list shrunk to 8 titles. [21:39] Wonder if the publishers got upset. [21:42] Or is it just that their site sucks [21:42] thinking it's the latter. [21:43] there are a limited number of each ebook [21:43] you can only make so many copies of bits before they rot [21:44] Whatever. If they want to unsell me this book, they can rot in a dumpster for all I care. [21:45] It's not like I can't "fix" my Kobo so it never goes back on the network ever again. [22:24] The Floor Tom came for my little niece. [22:24] And it is awesome.