[11:56] <mok0> Hi
[11:56] <mok0> In Debian, the package libglw-mesa comes from source package mesa_7.11.2-1, but in Ubuntu it comes from source package mesa-glw. What is the reason for this?
[11:57] <mok0> ... mesa-glw is only at version 7.4
[11:57] <mok0> and seems to be unmaintained
[12:33] <tjaalton> mok0: because lesstif is in universe, and is not going in main
[12:34] <mok0> tjaalton: uhm... what does lesstif have to do with it?
[12:34] <tjaalton> mok0: it build-depends on lesstif2-dev
[12:35] <mok0> tjaalton: so I guess mesa-glw just needs to be updated?
[12:35] <jcristau> or killed
[12:35] <tjaalton> ah, that's why there is mesa-glw in the first place
[12:35] <mok0> It's remained at 7.4 for as long as rmadison knows about
[12:35] <mok0> jcristau: nooooo
[12:35] <tjaalton> because the main mesa doesn't build libglw1 for that reason
[12:35] <jcristau> seriously, motif...
[12:35] <mok0> tjaalton: yes
[12:36] <mok0> tjaalton: lots of older apps use it... perhaps not apps in the archives, but users' apps
[12:36] <tjaalton> example?
[12:36] <mok0> ribbons
[12:37] <jcristau> if they have their own apps they can build their own glw...
[12:37] <tjaalton> google doesn't show up any useful links
[12:37] <mok0> tjaalton: http://www.cbse.uab.edu/ribbons/
[12:37] <mok0> had to find the link
[12:37] <tjaalton> Oct 1 2006: New day, retiring from UAB, but will still maintain ribbons . 
[12:37] <tjaalton> so, abandoned 5y ago
[12:38] <mok0> tjaalton: it's still useful
[12:38] <jcristau> mok0: also what's wrong with 7.4 glw?  it's not like anybody touched it since then
[12:39] <mok0> jcristau: there is a bug in it, symbol missing from library
[12:39] <tjaalton> hey, there are binaries for tru64, i should try those out
[12:39] <tjaalton> :)
[12:39] <mok0> jcristau: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=624156
[12:39] <ubot4> Debian bug 624156 in libglw1-mesa-dev "libGLw.so missing glwMDrawingAreaWidgetClass" [Important,Fixed]
[12:39] <jcristau> ah yeah, remember that.
[12:40] <mok0> Well, I have issues with the policy of removing libraries from the distro
[12:40] <jcristau> *shrug*
[12:41] <mok0> People have their own (purchased, etc) software that the want to keep using
[12:41] <tjaalton> mok0: so.. looks like you did the previous uploads, and you're complaining here?
[12:42] <mok0> You can't expect my memory to span over more than a few months :-)
[12:42] <tjaalton> just checking the changelog was enough
[12:43] <mok0> tjaalton: Actually, I'm was just wondering why the libglw1-mesa package wasn't being built from mesa 
[12:43] <mok0> ... perhaps the lesstif dependency could be gotten rid of
[12:43] <tjaalton> mok0: and i told you, it's also pointed out on the mesa changelog
[12:43] <mok0> tjaalton: sorry
[12:44] <mok0> tjaalton: I thought a bit of discussion wrt how to fix this was required
[12:44] <mok0> tjaalton: community, you know
[12:46] <tjaalton> mok0: it just needs an update, preferably by someone who cares enough to do the work
[12:46] <mok0> tjaalton: I'll look into it
[12:47] <mok0> tjaalton: although it would be much nice to build the library from mesa itself
[12:48] <mok0> tjaalton: don't offhand understand why the lesstiff dependency is required by a this library
[12:50] <tjaalton> mok0: because it doesn't build otherwise?
[12:50] <mok0> tjaalton: could be a test program or something that could be omitted, is what I am thinking
[18:52] <FernandoMiguel> evening