[04:56] good morning [04:56] what meeting? [04:59] morning [04:59] i think Kilos wanted to have a monthly meeting of some sort [04:59] i guess ubuntu-za loco meeting? no idea [05:01] looks like it [06:03] hmm... [06:04] * inetpro missed another meeting [06:06] good morning everyone [06:09] morning guys [06:09] Maaz, coffee on [06:09] * Maaz puts the kettle on [06:12] morning Kilos [06:12] Maaz: coffee please [06:12] inetpro: Okay [06:12] hiya inetpro [06:12] hoe gaan dinge vanmore [06:13] Coffee's ready for Kilos and inetpro! [06:13] Maaz: baie dankie [06:13] Plesier inetpro [06:13] Maaz, ty [06:13] Enjoy Kilos [06:31] als reg dankie behalwe kop wat klap. hoe gaan dinge met jou [07:03] morning everyone [07:37] morning superfly [07:37] Kilos: geen klagtes nie [07:37] mooi man [07:39] hiya superfly [07:51] bbl [07:51] have a good day guys [13:17] o/ [13:17] everyone still alive and kicking? [13:18] nuvolari: very much so [14:39] ummmm === inetpro_ is now known as in === in is now known as inetpro [15:37] mysql: Y U NO sort column [16:57] hurrrmmm [17:10] any mysql fundie here? [17:13] #mysql :) [17:14] zeref: I know it a little [17:15] oh, sorted. was try to clear data off a table and reset the primary key [17:21] hi all - is there an ubuntu-za monthly meeting scheduled for today, if so, what time? TX [17:22] o0 [17:22] 24hrs late :-) [17:28] this irc server isnt advertised enough [17:28] i stumbled upon it by accident [17:29] everything is here [17:29] gnu [17:29] fsf [17:29] ok i may have contradicted myself [17:29] but still [17:29] never realised everything was on the same server [17:32] stevegza: sorry, we had an impromptu meeting last night [17:32] stevegza: the next one should be around the 16th of January [17:33] cool - no probs. thanks for the update. I'll look out for the next meet [17:35] stevegza: we usually try to post it on the mailing list [17:45] so where are those meetings usually held ? [17:49] evening [17:55] Mezenir: in here [17:55] hi Squirm [18:01] hello, does anyone here dabble with python? [18:02] I'm getting started and looking for an IDE - or recommendations on how to use existing Ubuntu applications for python [18:03] people have recommended eclipse - but that looks a little big for me at the moment [18:04] rossouwap: I do [18:05] rossouwap: you can always use VIM or gedit [18:05] (I don't use Gnome, so I'm not too sure if gedit has plugins or what) [18:05] thanks superfly - i'm using gedit at the moment with a few plugins - also Wing IDE (the book i'm working through has some examples that use it) [18:06] rossouwap: I use Eric, but that's a PyQt4 app so it'll load in Qt4, and it takes a little getting used to [18:07] superfly, may I ask why you chose Eric? Perhaps your reasoning may help a noob like me ;) [18:08] rossouwap: cause I'm developing a PyQt4 app :-) [18:08] it does have some cool features, but it doesn't have advanced autocompletion like Eclipse [18:08] you can enhance it though [18:08] ok [18:09] so superfly did you receive official tersiary education relating to open source softare [18:09] ware [18:09] or are you just learning as you go [18:09] I'm presuming you've had experience with eclipse then? [18:10] Mezenir: welcome to #ubuntu-za [18:11] good evening everyone [18:11] rossouowap: might as well learn eclipse, its good for many languages ... i use it for java at work, dont think youll regret it [18:11] and you dont need to use all the features on day 1 [18:11] het inetpro [18:11] thanks [18:11] hey* [18:11] ok, thanks Mezenir :) [18:12] Mezenir: and where are from if I may ask? [18:12] i stay in cape town [18:12] working as a java programmer [18:12] hmm... another Capetonian [18:12] but im also a linux fan [18:12] learning oss as i go [18:13] plenty of them around here [18:13] how about you ? [18:13] * inetpro is from Pretoria [18:13] i was born in pretoria, for what its worth [18:13] parents moved here when i was 10 [18:14] so what do you do [18:14] sysadmin, jack of all trades [18:14] anything *nix [18:14] cool [18:15] you ever dabble with forensics ? [18:15] in the computer sense ? [18:15] seems like an interesting career [18:15] Mezenir: nope, my tertiary education was all microsoft [18:15] if a bit stressful [18:15] got me thinking of csi there for a moment [18:15] Mezenir: I taught myself python [18:16] superfly, that's interesting [18:16] cool [18:16] rossouwap: I've used Eclipse a little, it's not bad [18:16] i went to the local university for some guidance, and all they wanted to teach me was .net [18:16] so are you still a microsoft fan superfly ? [18:16] eish [18:16] I went to university before .NET existed ;-) [18:16] lol :) [18:17] Mezenir: I don't have a single Microsoft application running in my household - that should tell you [18:17] funny how that turns out in the end... [18:17] haha [18:17] bad course then ? ;) [18:17] I've got a bucket load of Microsoft certificates and I'm trying my hardest not to touch it :) [18:17] bad lecturers maybe [18:18] thats the thing [18:18] think a combo of both - and what the local market says they want [18:18] Mezenir: no, it was good, taught folks a lot about programming (though I had been programming for years already) [18:18] microsoft changes its mind every few years [18:18] Mezenir: we don't talk about that thing in here [18:18] had a colleague at my previous job [18:18] he was a vb6 developer [18:18] and now his skills are obsolete [18:19] * inetpro wonders where kilos is hiding this evening [18:19] on the other hand [18:19] as a programmer you need to keep up [18:19] Mezenir - try being in the hardware infrastructure business [18:20] we just did a stock take and clear out of equipment at the office [18:20] about two skips full of horrible old hardware - that I'm totally certified to work on :D [18:20] just a pity nobody wants it anymore :( [18:20] what do you do on the hardware ? [18:21] embedded programming ? [18:21] nah - nothing as glamorous as that [18:21] yeah thats why i picked java seemed a safe microsoft alternative [18:21] thou im teaching myself a little c++ when i have time to spare [18:21] and im not watching supernatural :) [18:21] spend my life installing and maintaining vmware and the hardware it sits on [18:22] mm [18:22] for web servers ? [18:23] for everything [18:23] full infrastructure [18:23] how come you use vmware ? [18:23] im just curious about the thinking process [18:23] cause it was the first virtualisation platform that was stable (according to the company ;) ) [18:23] haha ok [18:23] isnt vmware a microsoft thing ? [18:24] nope [18:24] vmware is a vmware thing :) [18:24] at least the server edition [18:24] owned by emc now [18:24] ok [18:24] i use virtualbox [18:24] for testing [18:24] that company we're not allowed to talk about has something else [18:24] ya, virtualbox runs [18:24] hmm... [18:24] lol, rocks [18:24] * inetpro just the following SMS: "MR FOUCHE Your arrear Lewis acc ###-####-# (R13436.97) now @ Oppermans for summons. Phone Vivienne 021-####### to avoid legal steps. Quote ref:S#####" [18:25] you need to use gnucash then [18:25] :> [18:25] just got * [18:25] Mezenir: inetpro is not Mr Fouche [18:26] think someone made a typo with a cellphone number ;) [18:26] a very bad typo that is [18:26] indeed [18:27] wish I had so much money to spend at Lewis [18:27] but I guess mr fouche doesn't have it either [18:28] it went into that very nice leather couch that ive been eyeing [18:28] rofl [18:28] nice [18:29] * inetpro needs a new 3G wireless modem [18:30] no man [18:30] adsl [18:30] axxess is a good isp [18:30] no more Telkom lines here, all stolen [18:30] been using them for 8 months no [18:30] now [18:30] rofl [18:30] yes they should replace them with fibre optics :) [18:30] win win [18:30] you get super speed [18:31] and its not worth stealing [18:31] my nice modem just packed up the other day [18:31] doesn't seem to connect any more [18:31] I tried with Vodacom, MTN and 8ta [18:32] and Vodacom is still connecting with my K3570-Z [18:32] lucky that I still have that [18:33] lol [18:33] fibre optics would be super nice [18:33] cellc has those speed sticks [18:33] 5 gig a month [18:33] yeah fibre optics is the bomb [18:33] i hear australia is laying fibre optics to every household [18:33] Mezenir: the cellc stick is useless in my area [18:33] lucky bastards [18:33] not sure what theyre going to do with it though [18:33] telkom's 3g is even cheaper, if you have a telkom tower locally [18:33] really ? [18:34] in pta ? [18:34] tumbleweed: you mean 8ta? [18:34] id expect cellphone service to be top notch there [18:34] telkom is laying fibre, but to the kerbside distribution boxes, not to the home [18:34] inetpro: yeah [18:34] 8ta is also useless here [18:35] 3g is getting cheap, but no way I'm leaving ADSL for it [18:35] turn off your radio jammer :P [18:35] Vodacom is also bad but I can work with it, better than the others [18:36] tumbleweed: enjoy it while you can [18:36] inetpro how come you dont have adsl lines [18:36] * inetpro hates the inconsistency of 3g [18:36] inetpro: tie the modem to a very long pole :) [18:36] do you guys also have a wireless user group up there ? like ctwug [18:37] tumbleweed: I guess I should do that [18:37] Mezenir: yes ptawug but they are also far away from my home [18:37] geez man [18:37] where in pta do you stay [18:37] and they don't allow internet [18:38] Mezenir: in the north [18:38] well you dont need as much internet if you have wug ;) [18:38] * inetpro live on the net [18:38] lives* [18:38] browsing ?\ [18:38] probably more browsing than downloading [18:38] * tumbleweed needs a lot of internet [18:39] Mezenir: yep and chatting to you :-) [18:39] yeah [18:39] I've always meant to connect to ctwug, though... [18:39] thats not a lot of bandwidth thou [18:39] i dont have line of sight to ctwug :( [18:39] thou im surrounded by high sites [18:39] lol [18:41] Mezenir: Telkom refused to install cables after they were stolen more than once [18:41] haha [18:41] thats harsh [18:41] serious [18:42] i believe you [18:42] its ridiculous [18:42] but you cant stop it [18:42] without fibre optics :) [18:42] they even stole my power lines and my water meter [18:42] fibre optics isnt worth much melted down [18:43] wow [18:43] thats audacity [18:43] how do you steal a power line [18:43] these guys are very desparate for copper [18:43] you live on a farm or something ? [18:43] a plot [18:43] mmm [18:44] do you farm ? [18:44] Mezenir: I wish I had more time for that [18:44] i duno hey [18:44] its a bit isolated for my taste [18:44] but my place is just to small for that anyway [18:45] why not live in the city ? [18:45] eish... VC lagging badly again [18:46] * inetpro enjoys living on the plot [18:46] grew up on the farm in KZN [18:46] thats a good reason i guess [18:46] have my chickens and a nice garden [18:46] im surprised you care about the internet then [18:46] and some bees that I'm neglecting [18:47] heh [18:52] I wish my place was big enough for a horse or three [18:52] * inetpro just remembered the days on the farm [18:52] many years ago [18:53] I once had 30 wild horses running around my dads big farm [18:53] evening all [18:53] good evening roryy [18:53] welcome to #ubuntu-za [18:56] thanks [18:57] roryy: is it your first time here? [18:58] nope :) [18:58] or was I being ignorant again [18:58] :-) [18:58] but i haven't been around for a year or so [18:58] ahh [18:59] wb [18:59] ty [19:00] Mezenir: why so quiet now? [19:00] you guys should come back more often anyway [19:01] it's time for this place to come alive again [19:01] kilos will be so happy [19:02] sorry [19:02] been chatting in fsf [19:03] superfly: BTW, you won't believe it but I'm still running Ubuntu Oneiric with Unity [19:03] Mezenir: ahh [19:03] * rossouwap goes to get some coffee [19:03] this irc server rocks [19:04] Mezenir: you mean this network [19:04] freenode [19:04] yes [19:04] freenode is massive [19:04] collection of servers [19:04] i suppose [19:05] this is the place for all serious FLOSS related stuffs [19:05] how do you relate to that ? [19:06] Mezenir: what do you mean by that? [19:06] what is your job [19:06] how do you relate to FLOSS [19:06] * inetpro uses Ubuntu since the first beta [19:06] interesting [19:07] i only started using linux about 3 years ago [19:07] * inetpro looks after multiple *nix servers [19:07] cool [19:08] FreeBSD, Solaris, Ubuntu, even RedHat [19:08] howd you get into that [19:08] if you dont mind my asking [19:08] AIX? [19:08] hmm... time [19:08] rossouwap: nope [19:09] inetpro: :) we got some legends at the office who used to do aix and solaris [19:09] time [19:09] * inetpro tries to limit it to just a few of them [19:09] man i wish i could suck information from their brains [19:09] well time can take you many places [19:09] open source isnt always one of theme [19:10] Mezenir: you start by putting your web server software on something more stable [19:11] hi superfly and others [19:11] hi Mezenir [19:11] and then you expand with mail gateways, dns, proxy, etc [19:11] hi Kilos [19:11] hey kilos [19:11] lo pro [19:11] yeah [19:11] Kilos: wb [19:11] rome wasnt built in a day [19:11] ty [19:11] Mezenir: for sure [19:12] Kilos: say hi to our new members [19:12] i have said hi to Mezenir [19:12] dont see any other new guys [19:12] oops, sorry [19:13] members or visitors?? [19:13] wakey wakey [19:13] hmm... I guess Mezenir is enjoying this and will stick around [19:13] good guess [19:13] and then roryy seems to have come back after some absence [19:14] my offline time has allowed me to work out how to overclock my 1.7g cpu to just over 2g [19:14] :-) [19:14] thou ill prolly disappear between christmas and new years ;) [19:14] as long as you come back in the new year thats great Mezenir [19:14] Mezenir: are you running on Ubuntu yet? [19:15] i dual boot windoze for games and kubuntu 10.4 [19:15] havent upgraded to 10.10 yet [19:15] 11.4 [19:15] my bad [19:15] ahh, another KDE dude, that's cool [19:15] rofl [19:15] i lose years sometime :P [19:15] 11.10 [19:15] lol [19:16] everyone (other than the kde fella's) running Unity? [19:16] 12.04 out in 4 months and a bit [19:16] lo Kerbero [19:16] i'm on 10.04 still [19:16] lo kilos [19:16] no [19:16] gnome here [19:16] upgrading is always a huge pita [19:16] how do you like unity ? [19:16] maverick here [19:16] upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 always fails [19:16] roryy: indeed [19:16] i briefly used it on my laptop once [19:17] Kerbero: yes i read that [19:17] i've become more of a fan of the shell [19:17] and im not in the mood for a clean install [19:17] rossouwap: I must say I'm quite impressed with the latest Unity although I will probably return to Kubuntu [19:18] last time i tried KDE was back on 8.04 :S [19:18] i guess theres not much chance ubuntu will convert to a rolling release [19:19] Mezenir: a rolling release, why? [19:19] so i dont need to reinstall every 6 months [19:19] things are already changing way to fast for me [19:19] ive had issues with upgrading [19:20] Mezenir: I've never encountered issues that were unfixable when upgrading [19:20] so i prefer a clean install [19:20] mebe [19:20] * inetpro just keeps data separated from system to make life easier [19:20] even a guy who rebooted his machine halfway through the process, and ended up with a borked kernel [19:20] do you guys use the encrypted home partition ? [19:21] nope [19:21] Mezenir: I tried that once but basically gave up [19:21] i found mounting other partitions under my home directory with that didnt fly so well [19:21] nope [19:21] makes things to complicated [19:21] so i mounted them under /mnt instead [19:21] the idea is good though [19:22] i keep /home on a separate partition too [19:22] yes separate partitions are good [19:22] i have 2 oses [19:22] sharing a data partition [19:22] just before re-install I run dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall [19:22] but each os has its own home [19:22] and rename my username folder [19:23] re-install, put applications back, and move my homedir back to where it belongs [19:23] rossouwap, what does that command do? [19:23] Kilos: lists all the installed applications [19:23] rossouwap: nice idea [19:23] ah ty i will save it [19:24] usually pipe it to a text file [19:24] cool [19:24] interesting, had a customer who did the right thing and kept /boot / /home and /var separate [19:25] to forget to move his mysql data files from /var [19:25] eish [19:25] now he's got a massive /home and 99% utilisation on /var [19:25] easy to fix that [19:26] indeed - when i can get some downtime ;) [19:26] with soft links [19:27] what does it matter if you put / or /boot first [19:27] in gparted it has / first [19:27] so thats how i did it [19:28]