Riddellshall I put the oneiric packages of 4.7.90 in the beta PPA?00:35
Riddellit means people wanting calligra also need 4.7.9000:35
apacheloggerRiddell: well, beta is beta ;)00:50
Riddellso it is00:53
Riddellhmm, copied oxygen-icons but not appeared yet01:01
Riddelloh, delayed copied01:02
ybitshadeslayer: sent01:22
ybitNow to start working on some ideas I have for KDE01:22
ybitIIRC, kubuntu has some type of build system for developers, hmm...01:30
ybitWhat determines which apps are in the nightly trunk?01:30
ybitHow do you decide something should be part of kubuntu btw..01:30
ybitE.g. first things first, I want to improve kickoff just a bit01:30
ybitOhai, btw, I'm Heath Matlock, from Florence, AL, 26 years old, study Spanish, at school for an electronics A.Sc degree, and soon to be B.Sc in CS/Math01:34
ybitI'm terrible at programming, but you have to start somewhere, I'm comfortable with Python, functional programming concepts from Haskell (haven't written enough Haskell code to feel proficient), and er... that's about it 01:35
ybitI've also been using linux since like Red Hat 6 or 701:36
ybitWent through about 50+ gentoo stage 2 installs (went through stage 1 once and never cared to do it again)01:36
ybitSo hi01:37
ybitnadie, nada?03:01
ScottKybit: It's not the best time of the day.03:33
ScottKybit: Most of the developers are on European time, so you've got to get here earlier.03:34
valorieybit: you might want to write to kubuntu-devel03:57
valoriethat gets everybody, not just us channel denizens03:58
ScottKRiddell: FYI, akonadi has branched in preparation for a new major release: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/akonadi/repository/show?rev=1.705:06
ScottKThis is the one I expect you'll need for kdepim 4.8.05:06
ScottKWho's our current web site guru?13:18
jussiis it not ryanakca ?13:30
ScottKHe's doing the maintenance stuff, but I'm not sure about the design work.13:31
ScottKI guess I should have been more specific.13:31
ryanakcaScottK, jussi: Aye, I've moved away from design work. I think DarkwingDuck does that now. Or at least, he was planning on porting our wiki theme to Drupal a few months ago.13:56
ScottKDarkwing: ^^^?14:00
ScottKNeed someone to reply to the thread on kubuntu-devel14:00
* ryanakca looks14:02
ryanakcaScottK: The gist of it is that anybody who wants to create a Drupal theme is free to do so, and that so long as someone (KCC?) sings off on it, it's just a matter of prodding the sysadmins to install it.14:09
ryanakcas/sing/sign/; although I'd like to see the KCC sing ;)14:10
kuboturyanakca meant: "ScottK: The gist of it is that anybody who wants to create a Drupal theme is free to do so, and that so long as someone (KCC?) signs off on it, it's just a matter of prodding the sysadmins to install it."14:10
ScottKryanakca: Something like that, but someone needs to explain that these people are welcome to contribute and how to communicate with the relevant people, etc.14:10
ryanakcaScottK: Alright, I'll do that when I get back from my dentist appointment.14:11
ryanakcaDarkwing: Were you still planning on porting the wiki theme to Drupal?14:11
cndScottK, I'm working on bringing in the upstream XI multitouch implementation15:16
cndit will break qt because it's different from what we had in our prototype implementation so far15:16
cndX Input15:16
ScottKLet's not do that please.15:17
cndI think the easiest thing would be to comment out the patch for multitouch for right now15:17
cndand then I will rewrite the patch15:17
ScottKHow does this relate to what's in Qt 4.8?15:17
cndit doesn't?15:17
ScottKWeren't you working with Qt upstream on the multi-touch stuff?15:18
cndyes, but it was all blocked on getting upstream X Input merged into X.org15:18
cndthat's what is happening now15:18
ScottKI see.15:18
ScottKSo it'll be in Qt5 then.15:19
cndbut there were changes in the protocol and implementation15:19
cndI'd like it to be in qt asap15:19
cndlikely whenever their next release is15:19
ScottKQt 4.8 is released.15:19
ScottKIt's the last Qt4.x.15:19
ScottKSo Qt5 is your next chance, but they are coming up on an API freeze soon.15:20
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cndthis doesn't modify API or ABI15:20
cndthe public interfaces are all there15:20
ScottKIf you wanted to, this would be your chance.15:20
cndit's just hooking up plumbing underneath15:20
cndthe key right now for me is ubuntu15:20
cndI need to get the latest XI support in15:20
cndbut it will break qt unless the patch that's currently there is commented out15:21
ScottKSure, just don't want to miss a one time opporitunity to break ABI on Qt if it's relevant.15:21
ScottKHow long to get a revised patch?15:21
cndmiddle to end of january15:21
cnddue to holidays and such15:21
ScottKMy understanding is that the goal this cycle was not to have regressions during development.15:22
cndthere's no way around this feature regression for the time being15:22
cndunless you want to cause a chain of dependencies being held back for quite a while15:22
ScottKAlso, wouldn't it make more sense to land a major change like the new XI right after the holidays than before?15:23
cnda chain that we want to get into ubuntu and ensure is stable15:23
cndwe're not landing it before, but likely right after15:23
cndwould you like me to propose a merge request to comment out the patch?15:24
ScottKNo.  That'd be a trivial change.15:24
ScottKI think you should write to ubuntu-devel about the plan for the transition (including this) so that it's clear everyone is aware of it.15:25
ScottKIf there's consensus this is the right way to go, then making the change is a detail.15:26
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ScottKHello Riddell16:25
ScottKI sponsored kde4libs and meta-kde while you were gone since doko was complaining.16:26
Riddellah thanks ScottK, internet got cut off at just the wrong time last night16:28
_Groo_hi/2 16:29
_Groo_little problem in oneiric 4.7.90, ninja ppa16:30
_Groo_The following packages have unmet dependencies:   plasma-netbook: Depends: libkactivities-bin (>= 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa3 is installed.   plasma-desktop: Depends: libkactivities-bin (>= 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa3 is installed.16:30
_Groo_which breaks a lot of stuff :D16:30
Riddell_Groo_: ah fooey16:32
_Groo_Riddell: yeah, :D16:32
_Groo_Riddell: needs to change the control file, or bump the aktivities version16:32
Riddellsimple control file change16:32
_Groo_Riddell: yeah yeah but it needs a recompile right? you cant change the control file of a built package, correct?16:33
_Groo_Riddell: btw the new pnm works fine now16:33
_Groo_good job :)16:33
Riddell_Groo_: yes16:38
_Groo_Riddell: k16:40
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Riddell4.7.90 is all compiling, just arm being slow I think17:25
ScottKAlso the put all the armhf buildd's on manual earlier today which killed the armhf kde4libs build and it had to be restarted.17:28
ScottKThat's not going to help.17:28
Riddellhmm but calligra doesn't work with new marble I think17:28
Riddell_Groo_'s fix for kde-workspce in beta ppa17:31
Riddell(not in ninjas)17:31
Riddellwaiting on compile17:31
RiddellI think I'll move onto Amarok17:31
_Groo_Riddell: what fix?17:40
Riddellto install plasma-desktop17:43
_Groo_Riddell: oO im not making the fix, im at work, i cant dput from over here, i just warned you :D17:48
_Groo_Riddell: miss communication ^^17:48
_Groo_Riddell: ahh wait... you said its compiling in beta ppa is that it?17:49
* _Groo_ is confused...17:49
RiddellI made the fix17:50
Riddelljust waiting for it to compile17:50
_Groo_Riddell: will it be in ninjas?17:53
Riddellno in kubuntu-ppa/beta17:54
_Groo_Riddell: will you move it to ninjas? :P or i need to add that ppa too17:54
_Groo_Riddell: btw it would be nice to add gtk3-engines-oxygen to the builds17:55
_Groo_Riddell: my desktop is much more pretty that way :D17:55
Riddellyes I think that's on the precise todo17:55
_Groo_Riddell: did you guys fixed the bug that it wasnt creating the gtk3 manifest? 17:56
_Groo_the xml description file was missing...17:56
_Groo_last time i checked17:56
_Groo_so the theme wasnt being applied to the gtk3 themes17:57
yofel_Groo_: we don't have the gtk3 engine either, so that needs packaging first17:59
_Groo_yofel: i did my own package: gtk3-engines-oxygen                    20111005-oneiric~ppa117:59
yofelas I have in neon - but it still needs manual since kcm_gtk doesn't set anything for gtk318:00
yofel*manual setup18:00
_Groo_yofel: yep thats the bug18:00
_Groo_yofel: the stupid xml isnt created18:01
_Groo_yofel: took me some time to figure that one out18:02
_Groo_yofel: i usually blame apachelogger first, then the packager (me) and then the developer18:02
* yofel just read oxygen-gtk3's README ^^18:02
_Groo_yofel: that was my last try :D if everything else fails RTFM18:04
_Groo_yofel: btw can you test one thing real quick?18:05
_Groo_yofel: make a new activitie and choose globe as the default desktop18:05
_Groo_yofel: then wait a few seconds or try to turn it around... it SHOULD crash plasma-desktop18:06
_Groo_that was a bug introduced in 4.7.x that i thought it was fixed in 4.8... i need confirmation...18:06
yofelhm, no globe here, where was that again?18:07
ryanakcaWas the 11.10 release goal of porting the wiki theme to Drupal defered to 12.04, or has it been abandoned?18:07
yofel_Groo_: ah, found it - crashes as soon as I select globe and click apply18:09
yofelno backtrace possible though18:09
_Groo_yofel: its a nasty bug18:09
_Groo_yofel: im gonna check if theres a bug report, can you add a me too if i need to open a new one?18:10
_Groo_yofel: bug 27410918:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274109 in sbackup (Ubuntu) "sbackup launchers use su-to-root instead of gksu" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27410918:13
_Groo_kde bug 27410918:14
ubottuKDE bug 274109 in wallpaper "Plasma crashes when selecting Globe wallpaper [null Marble::GeoSceneDocument::map, Marble::MarbleMapPrivate::paintGround, Marble::MarbleMap::paint]" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27410918:14
_Groo_yofel: btw are you using dual monitor?18:14
_Groo_yofel: k cause i do.. so its not in that code18:15
_Groo_yofel: can you add a me too pls?18:15
Riddellryanakca: I suspect it's been abandoned18:15
Riddellryanakca: the number of e-mails pointing out the website is out of date is increasing, I guess I'll keep writing nice polite replies saying the number of things that need to happen to change it18:16
ryanakcaRiddell: *nod*, I'm writing a reply to the email on the ML at the moment18:17
yofel_Groo_: not without a backtrace at least, and drkonqi doesn't do a thing for some reason18:17
Riddellryanakca: ta18:17
ryanakcaRiddell: I'm willing to point that porting the theme is a TODO item that someone can volunteer for if they'd like18:17
_Groo_yofel: well it very easy to reproduce.. so let the devs crash their own desktops :D18:17
_Groo_yofel: just confirm the damn bug report! :D18:21
yofeluh, no?18:21
yofelI don't go around confirming random crash reports until I'm sure I'm getting the EXACT same crash18:22
_Groo_yofel: bug nazi!18:22
yofelI've been in the bugsquad too long :P18:23
_Groo_yofel: ahh so it was you who sent death threats to me!18:23
yofelprobably not ^^18:23
Mamarokno Amarok 2.5 packages available yet? At least there is no announcement18:26
Mamarokditto for KDE 4.7.4 btw18:26
ScottKMamarok: 4.7.4 is in the updates PPA.18:27
ScottKNeed to make an announcement.18:28
MamarokScottK: I know, but you should announce it in the news18:28
Mamarokand Amarok 2.5 is out :)18:28
ScottKRiddell's working on it.18:28
Mamaroknice, thanks :)18:28
cmaginaheh, wrong window :)18:28
RiddellMamarok: 45% done but then I need to do oneiric18:29
Riddellprecise package isn't much good today, needs a MIR18:29
Mamarokit's Oneiric that we need most18:29
Riddellfiring up the ec2 machine18:30
MamarokI wonder: why did Kubuntu install the Nvidia drivers on my system if I don't have it, only an Intel graphic card?18:30
RiddellI think it does that for all installs18:30
_Groo_Mamarok: its called thinking ahead18:31
Mamarokvery strange, why installing something that is not needed?18:31
_Groo_Mamarok: once you feel the pain of intel graphics youll go screaming for nvidia18:31
Mamarok_Groo_: then it should also install the Radeon drivers18:31
_Groo_Mamarok: believe me... you DONT want to go radeon...18:31
Mamarok_Groo_: I hate Nvidia with passion :)18:31
_Groo_Mamarok: i was the "happy" owner of a rs485...18:32
MamarokI have two laptops, one with Intel only and one with dual Radeon/Intel, both work perfectly fine18:32
_Groo_Mamarok: ppl in the radeon channel remember me18:32
_Groo_Mamarok: they used to make fun i was the only active user in the entire world that still used that *hit18:32
_Groo_rs485 was designed by drunken ati monkeys18:32
Mamarokwell, I dind't have as much problöems with my Radeon card than others had repeatedly with Nvidia18:33
_Groo_yofel: what video card? nvidia?18:34
yofeland kubuntu-full will install the nvidia and ati drivers even if you have an intel card18:35
Mamarokyofel: how come it didn't install ati drivers for me?18:36
_Groo_yofel: desktop-effects are enabled?18:36
_Groo_yofel: globe doesnt crash lamarque desktop... go figures...18:37
ScottKMamarok: Announced.18:40
MamarokScottK: great!18:40
ScottKRiddell: 4.7.3/4 announcement on kubuntu.org done.18:41
yofel_Groo_: I saw18:42
yofelMamarok: no idea, it does recommend both fglrx and nvidia-current in oneiric (doesn't anymore in precise)18:43
Riddelloh groovy thanks ScottK, I would have got to it eventually but not soon enough I think18:45
yofelyay, the marble crash is thanks to nvidia - fun -.-18:50
Darkwingryanakca, ScottK Yes. I have two family reunions this week and next. After that I'm back on full swing.19:06
ryanakcaDarkwing: Mind if I forward some people interested in helping to you?19:10
Darkwingryanakca: of course not. :)19:10
ryanakcaDarkwing: Excellent, I'll do that ;)19:11
_Groo_Riddell: ping19:14
Riddellhi _Groo_ 19:14
_Groo_Riddell: workspace borked in the build19:14
_Groo_Riddell: :( so muhc time waiting and it failed!!! damn you LP!19:14
Riddellmm, so I see19:15
Riddellhmm, all installing here19:17
_Groo_Riddell: ?? 19:17
Riddellworking out what's gone wrong19:18
_Groo_Riddell: btw how do i do to make armel packages? im interested in porting plasma live to the hp touchpad...19:18
Riddell_Groo_: launchpad doesn't do them so you'd need to have your own arm machine or ask ScottK if he'll give you access to one19:20
_Groo_Riddell: its the  version in libkactivities6 (= 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1~oneiric1~ppa3)19:20
_Groo_Riddell: can i emulate arm at reasonable performance with my i7?19:21
RiddellI've no idea about emulating arm19:22
Riddellit's because I didn't copy kde4libs, dug19:28
Riddellok can retry kde-workspace soon19:29
Riddellgosh amarok is slow to compile on these ec2 machines19:29
_Groo_Riddell: i actually have a job interview tomorrow to work at brazil datacenter at amazon :) wish me luck :D19:31
_Groo_now i can destroy the world from the inside buahahahahah19:31
_Groo_hey mr groo whats that you are seeding into AEC? ahhh its a little script.. i call it, skynet19:32
_Groo_Riddell: are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? :D19:47
yofel_Groo_: I use https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch for armel, it's rather slow though19:55
yofelas it uses qemu19:55
_Groo_yofel: yeah might not be the way to go :(19:56
yofelit's fine for my use cases, but with the system it's running on, building kdelibs takes about a day19:57
EvilResistancehi, i'm relaying something from #kubuntu to here, if you dont mind.  since its a question about what version(s) of Qt should/could be included in Precise20:22
EvilResistanceassuming this is the right place (the MOTUs directed me this way)20:22
EvilResistance<blair> is qt 4.8 source compatible with 4.7?20:23
EvilResistance<blair> could kubuntu update to qt 4.8 now, and then do kde in january20:23
debfxEvilResistance: qt 4.8 is source and binary compatible20:24
ScottKWe're planning on shipping 4.8.20:24
EvilResistancei see.  i guess i can point the guy who originally asked to you guys then, or just relay your statements to him.  :P20:25
EvilResistance(considering, of course, that I keep an eye on the precise repos somewhat obsessively... :P)20:25
EvilResistance(I kind of had that feeling :P)20:26
ScottKRiddell: I think 4.7.90 is fully built on i386 and amd64.21:12
zoraelIs the beta ppa missing libkactivities-bin >= 4:4.7.90-0ubuntu1 (plasma-desktop dependency), or did I simply muck something up on my end?22:43
zoraelThe available libkactivities is *~oneiric1~ppa3 and as such doesn't fly22:44
RiddellI think it's ok now, let me check22:46
Riddellzorael: yes apt-get update and dist-upgrade and let us kno how it works fo ryou22:47
zoraelRiddell: yeah, works now, thanks22:48
Riddellzorael: have you tried running the full desktop22:49
zoraelRiddell: a careless dist-upgrade removed plasma-desktop, so I'm only now reinstalling it D:22:49
zoraelno, crashes. I'm probably still running an old kded though22:50
Riddellcan you log out and in?22:50
zoraelsure, one moment22:51
zoraelRiddell: plasma-desktop started as it should, no errors or crashes yet22:52
yofelRiddell: a test upgrade on oneiric gave:22:53
yofelUnpacking ktouch-data (from .../ktouch-data_4%3a4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa3~oneiric1_all.deb) ...22:53
yofeldpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ktouch-data_4%3a4.7.90-0ubuntu1~ppa3~oneiric1_all.deb (--unpack):22:53
yofel trying to overwrite '/usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/apps/ktouch.svgz', which is also in package ktouch 4:4.7.3-0ubuntu0.122:53
yofelinstalls fine otherwise now22:55
Riddellzorael: groovy22:56
Riddellyofel: ack thanks22:56
Riddellwell amarok will take a while to compile in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/23:50
Riddelland then it needs testing23:50

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