[00:17] <Shinka> I know that's a stupid question but sometime when I move my mouve, I don't actually know how I do it, but I get to see a preview of all currently active windows. This is cool! I would just like to know how to do it :P
[00:17] <Shinka> mouve = mouse
[01:14] <JoeSomebody> 160 gb hdd, install ubuntu on half of it, kubuntu says other half of disk unusable after i create a root partition
[01:14] <JoeSomebody> changed hdds, same thing
[01:14] <JoeSomebody> so kubuntu is incompalible with ubuntu LMAO
[01:14] <JoeSomebody> cant be
[01:15] <JoeSomebody> what is this unusable garbage?
[01:16] <Kimlaroux> why do you want to install kubuntu on a serepate partition?
[01:17] <Kimlaroux> can't you just intall kubuntu-destop over Ubuntu and chose your environment on login?
[01:17] <JoeSomebody> thinking...
[01:18] <JoeSomebody> i wanted to see the differences between the 2 , so i thought i HAD TO
[01:18] <JoeSomebody> i dont have to ?
[01:19] <JoeSomebody> i want to know things like is the same list of programs and games available, and if not why, and other things like that
[01:20] <JoeSomebody> this brings up another question
[01:20] <Kimlaroux> kubuntu is ubuntu with kde
[01:21] <Kimlaroux> you can simply install kubuntu-desktop on top of ubuntu and you'll get kubuntu
[01:21] <JoeSomebody> perhaps it IS better to give a person both DE with an install?
[01:21] <Kimlaroux> I can't remember if installing it removes gnome/unity though
[01:21] <OerHeks> you should be able to do both, 2 desktops on 1 ubuntu installation, and side-by-side
[01:21] <JoeSomebody> i wouldn't want it to remove it
[01:22] <JoeSomebody> so start with ubuntu?
[01:22] <Kimlaroux> well, in my opinion it's cleaner and less confusing to have a different installation for both, if you want to compare... but that's just my taste =)
[01:23] <OerHeks> i would choose side/by/side too, wich does not share programs & documents standard.
[01:24] <OerHeks> if your disk is unusable, do you have 4 primairy partitions already ? ( this is the max)
[01:24] <JoeSomebody> well i had a 160, ubuntu, made 40000 root, 4000 swap, 40000 home
[01:25] <JoeSomebody> then coudl not do the same with kubuntu, said ubusable
[01:25] <JoeSomebody> then coudl not do the same with kubuntu, said unusable
[01:25] <JoeSomebody> i had 2 already
[01:25] <JoeSomebody> i'm gonna try again
[01:26] <JoeSomebody> logical is ok right?, i usually dont
[01:26] <OerHeks> yes, extended with logical is ok
[01:43] <mOrO^> after succesful install, updates download, and then the install of the upgrades freezes after about 56percent progress................after powering off, I get back on and cant install anything cuz it says that another manager is in use!!!   HELP!
[01:48] <ybit> another manager? hmm.
[02:15] <JoeSomebody> ok so now this time the installer crashed right after making the home partition
[02:16] <JoeSomebody> no parent item for child
[02:16] <JoeSomebody> i assume i am not the first to install these two?
[02:17] <JoeSomebody> ubuntu = 30gb root, 4 swap, 40 gb home
[02:17] <JoeSomebody> kubuntu = 30gb root, 4 swap, 40 gb home
[02:17] <JoeSomebody> but after makling home installer crashes , twice
[02:17] <JoeSomebody> i had tried it again, same
[02:18] <JoeSomebody> the only primary partition was ubuntu root
[02:18] <JoeSomebody> not sure what to try next
[02:21] <Kimlaroux> why do you need a home partition?
[02:21] <Kimlaroux> If you want one, Why not using just one for both install?
[02:23] <JoeSomebody> if i use one  for both i cant see differences
[02:23] <JoeSomebody> i assume
[02:23] <JoeSomebody> cant even find kubuntu-desktop
[02:23] <JoeSomebody> how do i find kubuntu-desktop?
[02:23] <JoeSomebody> in ubuntu?
[02:24] <Kimlaroux> nah I mean the /home partition, you can use the same for different installations
[02:24] <Kimlaroux> it should not give you problems, but I might be wrong here
[02:24] <JoeSomebody> can't find a damn thing with "unuty search"
[02:24] <JoeSomebody> i am now in ubuntu trying to add kde , and cannnot
[02:25] <Kimlaroux> when you installed ubuntu, you manually configured the partitions?
[02:25] <JoeSomebody> because kubnuntu will not install
[02:25] <JoeSomebody> eys
[02:25] <JoeSomebody> yes
[02:25] <JoeSomebody> [10:17] <JoeSomebody> ubuntu = 30gb root, 4 swap, 40 gb home
[02:25] <Kimlaroux> is there another OS on the system?
[02:25] <JoeSomebody> no
[02:25] <JoeSomebody> took a blank 160gb
[02:25] <JoeSomebody> [10:17] <JoeSomebody> ubuntu = 30gb root, 4 swap, 40 gb home
[02:25] <JoeSomebody> [10:17] <JoeSomebody> kubuntu = 30gb root, 4 swap, 40 gb home
[02:25] <JoeSomebody> [10:17] <JoeSomebody> but after makling kubuntu home installer crashes , twice
[02:25] <Kimlaroux> hhmm, did the installer give you a automatic configuration for the partitions?
[02:26] <JoeSomebody> i had only one other choice which erased ubuntu
[02:26] <JoeSomebody> i have tried several things
[02:26] <Kimlaroux> that's weird
[02:27] <JoeSomebody> i thought so :)
[02:27] <JoeSomebody> last year this worked
[02:27] <Kimlaroux> the installer often has many choices... one being automatic repartitioning for installation beside other installed OS
[02:27] <JoeSomebody> ub and kub on together
[02:27] <Kimlaroux> maybe they changed that, for some obscure reason
[02:28] <JoeSomebody> i can't imagine why , and i hope not
[02:28] <Kimlaroux> so what crashes exactly, the installer, or the boot?
[02:29] <JoeSomebody> installer
[02:29] <Kimlaroux> the installer crashes?!? woha
[02:29] <Kimlaroux> I'm betting it doesn't like to see two homes on the disc
[02:29] <JoeSomebody> if i go logical, it crashes at the end, just before making partitions
[02:29] <Kimlaroux> and 2 swap
[02:30] <Kimlaroux> you don't need two swaps, the installer should use the one that's already there
[02:30] <Kimlaroux> can't you just select the already installed swap during kubuntu's installation?
[02:31] <JoeSomebody> maybe thats it however i did get away with this under another distro
[02:31] <JoeSomebody> i will try to use 1st swap
[02:31] <Kimlaroux> good idea
[02:31] <Kimlaroux> another thing
[02:32] <Kimlaroux> you don't need to make a separate partition for your home, you can place everything on a single partition
[02:32] <JoeSomebody> well i wasnt sure there
[02:33] <JoeSomebody> after all home contains desktop settings and stuff does it not?
[02:33] <Kimlaroux> yes
[02:33] <Kimlaroux> I haven't used a separate partition under Kubuntu in years
[02:34] <Kimlaroux> it just sucks when one of the partition fills up and you gotta repartition to get more space... I like to have the whole disc for everything
[02:34] <JoeSomebody> as long as there are 2 desktop folders created i guess it would be ok, one for kde and one for gnome?
[02:34] <Kimlaroux> nah I think you're not understanding what I'm saying
[02:35] <Kimlaroux> your /home folder can be within the "root" partition
[02:35] <Kimlaroux> so you have, for exemple, 70GB for ubuntu and 70GB for Kubuntu
[02:36] <Kimlaroux> and each partition has it's own /home folder, inside the main partition
[02:40] <JoeSomebody> ok
[02:42] <Kimlaroux> But again, it's a personal choice... it might be the source of you problem though
[03:09] <tim> Hi All
[03:11] <tim> Hi Jayne
[03:16] <tim> Good Evening all
[03:18] <EvilResistance> hi
[03:19] <tim> Hi Evil
[03:19] <tim> whats up?
[03:19] <blausurf> hi
[03:20] <tim> Hi
[03:20] <tim> whats up with this channel?
[03:21] <OU812> hellllooooo?
[03:22] <dipesh> hellooo??
[03:23] <OU812> Good Evening dipesh
[03:23] <dipesh> good evening
[03:23] <OU812> Where are you from?
[03:23] <dipesh> i want to contribute to KDE how can I do it ??
[03:24] <OU812> I really don't know, I just joined this channel
[03:24] <dipesh> ohkk....
[03:24] <dipesh> i m from india
[03:24] <dipesh> whr r u from??
[03:24] <OU812> I'm from the states, North Carolina
[03:25] <dipesh> what do u do??
[03:25] <OU812> I am an electrical engineer
[03:25] <OU812> what about you?
[03:25] <dipesh> great and i am a IT engineering student
[03:26] <mime1111> LINUZ RULEX
[03:26] <OU812> I do some programming on the side, Ruby on Rails rules
[03:46] <qisnitweird> cant enable flash in konqueror
[03:50] <qisnitweird> $
[04:12] <luiz_> teste
[04:18] <luiz_> :)
[04:18] <luiz_> dhdhdh
[04:18] <luiz_> ddd
[04:18] <luiz_> d
[04:18] <luiz_> d
[04:18] <FloodBotK3> luiz_: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:28] <none_13> hello guys
[04:29] <none_13> dolphin don't preview flash videos.
[04:29] <none_13> can u give me some fix link?
[04:57] <Tech-1> knock it off
[07:55] <anubis> Hi , ich habe hier eine SD Karte, von der ich gerne gelöschte Bilder wiederherstellen möchte. Photorec möchte nun den Partition-Table-Type wissen. Leider weiß ich nicht was ich da reinschreiben muss. Kann mir jmd einen Tipp geben?
[07:56] <anubis> None?
[08:36] <soee> ekm :)
[08:36] <soee> someone using beta ppa and have already KDE 4.8 beta2 ?
[08:43] <gribouille> hi
[08:43] <gribouille> the kde 4.7.4 packages have been updated several times these days. why?
[08:47] <gorgonizer> soee: I tried to install it, but the install seems broken, some of the packes will not install..
[08:48] <ikonia> gorgonizer: for fixes
[08:48] <ikonia> gorgonizer: thats why updates get pushed out
[08:49] <gorgonizer> I am trying to install KDE SC 4.8 Beta 2 oackages from the beta ppa
[08:49] <gorgonizer> *packages..
[08:49] <ikonia> ok.......?
[08:49] <gorgonizer> no matter..
[08:49] <soee> its working for me
[08:49] <soee> update works just fine
[08:50] <soee> abyway i cant edit any .js file in kate :D
[08:50] <soee> i can open, seecontent but cant edit
[08:50] <ikonia> what are the permissions on the file
[08:51] <soee> they are fine
[08:51] <ikonia> define "fine"
[08:51] <soee> other editors can open adn edit its content
[09:08] <gorgonizer> it doesn't appear that the kde4libs apckages are available for KDE 4.8 SC in th eBeta PPA from what I can tell..
[09:41] <Quetzalcoatl> hi! can anyone tell why kwin become a zombie process ?
[09:42] <SunTsu> Quetzalcoatl: do you know how process zombies are made?
[09:44] <Quetzalcoatl> suntsu:nope
[09:46] <SunTsu> Quetzalcoatl: processes that end need to return their status to their parent process. For that to happen the parent process needs to wait() on his forked child process. If it does not the process lingers on as a zombie until he can report his status
[10:35] <mithrop> hi everybody
[10:37] <maxvanceffer> hi
[10:40] <vprints> hlo
[10:41] <vprints> where is the kubuntu networkmanager conf file?
[10:41] <vprints> is the current networkmanager a plasmoid?
[10:42] <vprints> the thin is- i want to permanently enamble mobile broadband option
[10:42] <vprints> i have it set to autoconnect
[10:42] <vprints> but every time i start the computer i have to tick a box to enable it
[10:43] <vprints> and this checkbox isn't remembered
[10:44] <vprints> can't find any way to make this permanently stick in the UI
[10:44] <vprints> but mabe from the conf file?
[10:44] <vprints> anyone got any clues?
[10:44] <vprints> ty :)
[10:46] <cortex_sk> vprints: try /etc/NetworkManager
[10:47] <SunTsu> vprints: could you please try to make longer lines, my screen is scrolling fast because of you
[10:48] <vprints> ok
[10:52] <soilism> Hello world.
[10:56] <sekisushai> hello
[11:20] <Fleck> bot wars! :D
[11:23] <Tm_T> hopefully has stopped now
[11:38] <soee> need someone with kde 4.8b2
[12:41] <mime> hey ppl, mu external HDD has been detected by my comp with partiton manager, but once I started formatting, in any format, it crashes, any help? PLEASE
[14:12] <drobole_> test
[14:12] <JuJuBee> I have a  file called Trolltech.conf that is 82MB in my .config.  Google suggests that it is related to QT somehow.  Does anybody know anything about this file?
[14:13] <ikonia> it is a QT config file
[14:13] <ikonia> trolltech used to own / develop QT
[14:15] <drobole_> When I ran a full upgrade on 11.10 it hang somewhere along the line so I killed it, reinstalled some flashplugin stuff manually and rebooted. It seems to work ok but the grub entry doesn't seem to get updated anymore. I have tried commands like update-initramfs -u, update-grub and os-prober, but nothings seems to help. Anyone got any suggestions?
[14:16] <ikonia> drobole_: does the grub entry match the kernel you are booting ?
[14:16] <JuJuBee> ikonia: why could a config file be 82MB...?
[14:16] <drobole_> yes its the old 3.0.0.12, same as uname is reporting
[14:16] <ikonia> JuJuBee: lots of config,
[14:16] <ikonia> drobole_: so then it's right
[14:16] <ikonia> !info linux-image
[14:17] <palyo34> türk var mı?
[14:17] <ikonia> drobole_: I suspect the lsb update hasn't been completed so it stil think it's 11.04 maybe ?
[14:17] <JuJuBee> ikonia: What is it a config file for?  What app?
[14:17] <ikonia> JuJuBee: it will be for QT as a tool set, not a specific app
[14:17] <ikonia> JuJuBee: look in the config file and you can see what it's configuring
[14:18] <drobole_> Thanks. So I guess I'm good then. Back to work... =)
[14:18] <JuJuBee> I am trying to use disk quotas for my students and it is causing them to go over quota along with ~/.local/share/akonadi
[14:19] <JuJuBee> ikonia: the config file has a bunch of paths then pages and pages of "%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%00%"
[14:19] <ikonia> JuJuBee: run file against it, try to see what format it's in
[14:20] <JuJuBee> ASCII text with very long lines
[14:21] <ikonia> JuJuBee: so nothing unusual there then
[14:22] <JuJuBee> ikonia: my other students are all in the K range not M range
[14:22] <JuJuBee> strange
[14:22] <ikonia> ask that student what he's configured
[14:23] <JuJuBee> He says nothing special other than the apps we use in class... I trust him
[14:23] <JuJuBee> Not sure what apps we use that use QT either...
[14:25] <ikonia> JuJuBee: all kde apps do
[14:25] <ikonia> JuJuBee: remove his config fi
[14:25] <ikonia> remove his config file, copy another one in place
[14:25] <ikonia> if it's the same as the normal apps you use as he says, it won't be a problem
[14:28] <drobole_> Oh man what a disapointment. Can't fix anything with that grub2
[14:28] <ikonia> why are you messing with grub2 ?
[14:29] <drobole_> it wont boot my latest kernel and I think its becouse of the crash i had upgrading
[14:29] <ikonia> why ?
[14:30] <drobole_> why what?
[14:30] <ikonia> drobole_: why are you messing with grub2 - why won't it boot the later kernel ?
[14:31] <drobole_> i think its becouse it crashed during upgrade. actually i think its some flashplugin-download that does it. and now i don't know how to make grub understand that i have a new 3.0.0.14 image
[14:33] <ikonia> drobole_: 1.) I told you to check the lsb status of your machine 2.) have you looked if the new kernel is actually installed ? I don't understand what a flashplugin has to do with your kernel
[14:34] <drobole_> how do i check the lsb status? (flashplugin-download package makes the upgrade hang, thats why i killed the upgrade process and rebooted)
[14:35] <ikonia> drobole_: ok - so when I ask you "check the lsb status" the response is "how do I do that" - not ignore it and keep messing with grub2 for no reason
[14:35] <drobole_> i thought you were talking about lsb-core not fully upgraded
[14:35] <ikonia> really annoys me that people ask for help and then either don't say they don't know how to do something, or just ignore it, then are shocked that they are not getting anywhere
[14:36] <ikonia> drobole_: well, you are correct, if lsb core is updated it will update the lsb status too
[14:36] <ikonia> so checking the lsb version on your machine is a good place to start
[14:36] <DarkriftX> Can anyone here help me figure out why I am getting this error when I try to compile a plasmoid "yasp scripted"?  http://pastebin.com/niJc2tJ4
[14:36] <DarkriftX> googling has not lead me to anything useful
[14:37] <ikonia> DarkriftX: missing QT libraries
[14:37] <ikonia> DarkriftX: is this plasmoid not compiled and packaged in the repos ?
[14:37] <DarkriftX> ikonia: nope, you dl the source from kdelook
[14:37] <DarkriftX> ive compiled it before on 11.04, but wont compile on 11.10
[14:37] <DarkriftX> I have libqtgui installed
[14:37] <ikonia> well there are two errors
[14:38] <ikonia> 1.) the target you are saying to build does not exist inthe make file
[14:38] <ikonia> 2.) it's complaining about missing libraries
[14:38] <ikonia> DarkriftX: did the "make" command work ?
[14:38] <DarkriftX> libqtgui4        is installed
[14:38] <ikonia> (before you did make install
[14:38] <DarkriftX> yes, make did
[14:38] <drobole_> ikonia: i did a apt-get install lsb-core -s, and it says to install a bunch of packages... which reminds me lsb-core wasn't installed
[14:38] <DarkriftX> the make install is what is failing
[14:38] <ikonia> DarkriftX: ls -la /usr/lib/libQtGui.so
[14:39] <ikonia> drobole_: lsb_release -a
[14:39] <DarkriftX> file does not exist
[14:40] <DarkriftX> I tried reinstalling the lib from apt, did no good
[14:40] <drobole_> ikonia: it says no modules, release 11.10. Not much more
[14:40] <ikonia> DarkriftX: there you go then
[14:40] <DarkriftX> I am thinking there are path or variable issues
[14:40] <DarkriftX> ok... but how do I get that lib if libqtgui4 is installed?
[14:40] <ikonia> drobole_: ok - so at least it shows 11.10
[14:40] <ikonia> DarkriftX: no path or variable issues, the file path it's calling out does not exist, that's not a variable
[14:41] <ikonia> DarkriftX: research what provides that file
[14:41] <drobole_> ikonia: it was 11.10 before i clicked that "Full Upgrade" button too
[14:41] <DarkriftX> isnt there a command in apt-get that shows "whatprovides" ?
[14:41] <ikonia> drobole_: oh, sorry, I thought you where upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10
[14:42] <drobole_> no
[14:42] <DarkriftX> I thought id used it before, but cannot find it
[14:42] <ikonia> DarkriftX: it is there
[14:42] <ikonia> DarkriftX: apt-file ?
[14:42] <DarkriftX> installing, ill try that
[14:45] <drobole_> ikonia: thanks for trying to help though.
[14:46] <DarkriftX> all 3 packages that provide that file are "up to date"
[14:46] <DarkriftX> ive reinstalled 1 of them, no change
[14:47] <ikonia> drobole_: is the new kernel installed ?
[14:47] <ikonia> DarkriftX: do a find on the machine see if that file is there
[14:53] <DarkriftX> find is still running, thanks for the help ikonia
[14:56] <DarkriftX> /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtGui.so
[14:56] <DarkriftX> wondering if I should symlink it, or find the file in the app im compiling that has its path hardcoded in
[14:58] <ikonia> DarkriftX: is this a 64bit system ?
[14:59] <palyo34> türk var mı
[14:59] <DarkriftX> no
[14:59] <ikonia> DarkriftX: I'm surprised thats not already linked
[14:59] <ikonia> palyo34: English only in this channel please.
[14:59] <palyo34> ok
[14:59] <DarkriftX> I edited the CMakeCache.txt file with the path, and now im getting more errors. Im guessing im going to have to edit a bunch of them
[14:59] <DarkriftX> is it supposed to be symlinked by default?
[15:00] <ikonia> DarkriftX: I would have expected it to either be in /usr/lib if this was a 32bit system or linked into it
[15:00] <DarkriftX> $ uname -i -- i386
[15:04] <DarkriftX> would I possibly be breaking stuff by copying the .so files from the i386-linux-gnu folder, or would I need to symlink them.
[15:05] <ikonia> don't copy
[15:05] <ikonia> symlink
[15:05] <DarkriftX> I tried cp -r *.so .. and cp -r *.so /usr/lib/, both failed. Am I missing something else? I rarely actually create symlinks
[15:06] <DarkriftX> Getting: cp: `/usr/lib/libanl.so': can make relative symbolic links only in current directory
[15:06] <ikonia> no no no no
[15:06] <ikonia> don't copy libs like that
[15:06] <ikonia> ughh you're making a mess
[15:06] <ikonia> don't copy
[15:06] <DarkriftX> erm, I used -s instead of -r
[15:06] <DarkriftX> I typed it wrong in here
[15:06] <ikonia> why are you using cp -s ?
[15:06] <ikonia> ln is the command
[15:06] <ikonia> ln -s
[15:07] <DarkriftX> Because I did not know, hence being in here asking.
[15:07] <ikonia> don't rush in with commands
[15:07] <ikonia> if you don't know - ask
[15:08] <DarkriftX> ok, well, used that and apparently it doesnt like symlinks to symlinks
[15:08] <DarkriftX> make[2]: stat: /usr/lib/libQtSvg.so: Too many levels of symbolic links
[15:09] <ikonia> ok - so that's a symlink
[15:09] <ikonia> DarkriftX: ls -la /usr/lib/libQtSvg.so
[15:09] <DarkriftX> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2011-12-21 08:07 /usr/lib/libQtSvg.so -> libQtSvg.so
[15:10] <ikonia> ok so I think you've made a bit of a mess here as the link is pointing at it's self
[15:12] <mithrop> hi here
[15:13] <mithrop> I often have Segmentation fault of plasma-desktop. Do you know why ?
[15:18] <Peace-> mithrop: ?
[15:18] <Peace-> mithrop: kde version ? video card? destkop effect active?
[15:18] <DarkriftX> Ok, so I have no idea how to properly create these hundreds of symlinks with the ln command as the ones in the i386 folder are also symlinks to .so.x.x.x files, where x is the version number I assume
[15:20] <DarkriftX> do I need to create a for loop to ln each file that is *.so.* as /usr/lib/$1.so ?
[15:21] <mithrop> Peace-: ok. Fully upgraded KUbuntu (KDE 4), video : ATI Mobility Radeon HD4200 (driver non-free), desktop effects activated
[15:22] <ikonia> DarkriftX: I'm more worried that you now have symlinks that link to themselves
[15:22] <DarkriftX> ikonia: they are easily spotted, I can remove them if needed
[15:22] <DarkriftX> or overwrite them with the correct ones
[15:22] <DarkriftX> makes me wonder why ln would even allow that
[15:22] <Peace-> mithrop: mmm i guess :) you need to disable some desktop effects or some of
[15:22] <Peace-> mithrop: try disabling blur
[15:24] <Peace-> mithrop: i guess it's your video card and driver
[15:24] <Peace-> mithrop: you could try to use free driver ...
[15:24] <BluesKaj> hiyas folks
[15:24] <ikonia> DarkriftX: but what else is linked wrong now was the point I was going for
[15:24] <mithrop> Peace-: blur is already disabled
[15:24] <ikonia> DarkriftX: links that point to themselves are the same as a file not existing
[15:24] <DarkriftX> should only be .so files that were in the child folder
[15:24] <Peace-> mithrop: for me it's a video driver issue
[15:25] <DarkriftX> ikonia: yes, but they didnt exist before
[15:25] <DarkriftX> so now they still dont exist, but I have to remove the faulty link
[15:26] <mithrop> Peace-: if I disable my non-free driver, I will be able to use accelerated stuff anyway ?
[15:26] <Peace-> mithrop: try i dunno
[15:26] <Peace-> mithrop: btw it's a dangerous stuff :) i hope your are not noob
[15:27] <Peace-> you should be able to see the screen after that
[15:27] <Peace-> but i am not sure
[15:27] <mithrop> if by "not a noob" you mean "you know how to use a tty and nano", no I'm not a noob :p
[15:28] <ikonia> no is the answer
[15:28] <ikonia> pretty much most nvidia / ati cards do not work fully with the open modules
[15:29] <Peace-> mithrop: ok you can do then :)
[15:30] <mithrop> ok
[15:40] <BluesKaj> mithrop, , i'm a bit late in the game here , did you install the recommended driver in jockey ?
[15:40] <mithrop> I installed the only which works ^^
[15:42] <DarkriftX> ikonia: I have created a for loop to rename all symlinks that point to themself to file.so.bak
[15:42] <DarkriftX> so for now, they are resolved enough for me to continue.
[15:45]  * BluesKaj shrugs , ok mithrop , whatever that is
[15:45] <DarkriftX> What is the best way to copy symlinks in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu up a level, but still point to the files they are linked to?
[15:46] <mithrop> BluesKaj: the systment didn't recommend me one particular driver ;)
[15:48] <BluesKaj> in additional drivers , mithrop ?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> kmenu>apps>system>additional drivers
[15:50] <mithrop> yes. I have two possibilities in this window. ATI/AMD for FGLRX or FLGRX for ATI/AMD (post-release ofUbuntu)
[15:51] <mithrop> BluesKaj: so I choose the first one :)
[15:59] <BluesKaj> mithrop, fglrx is the driver afaik ...I used it on a ati onboard graphics a few yrs ago
[16:03] <mithrop> BluesKaj: what do you mean exactly ?
[16:04] <BluesKaj> mithrop, checkout your package manager about the fglrx driver description
[16:05] <arkanabar> Hey, does kubuntu still use packagekit as the primary GUI package management app?
[16:05] <maco> no, muon
[16:06] <BluesKaj> arkanabar, no it's called Muon now , it's ok but can be buggy
[16:06] <mithrop> ok
[16:07] <arkanabar> I'm going to guess that synaptic is only a sudo apt-get away.  for the command line, Deo gratias.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> arkanabar, yup, synaptic is still my fav , use it for reference
[16:10] <mithrop> BluesKaj: it's for AMD Radeon and FireGL graphics accelerators
[16:27] <gorgonzola> can someone please explain why do i have like three package management apps? apper?  kpackagekit? muon?
[16:27] <gorgonzola> and which are we keeping as standard in the distro?
[16:32] <szal> *buntu has apper?
[16:32] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, if you ugraded thru the net , then the old kpackagekit will still be installed from the previous OS
[16:33] <BarkingFish> szal: yes it does. We got apper because packagekit had issues building on 11.10, so apper came as kpackagekit's replacement
[16:33] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: i seem to remeber i installed from scrtach, which is what i normally do. and i knew that we were getting muon, but i just noticed that apper is the one serving notifications
[16:33] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: these are all apt frontends, right? can i just leave on of them and remove all others?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, I just use synaptic as a reference , I don't bother with notifiacations since I run an update/upgrade every morning anyway
[16:35] <BluesKaj> with ap-get
[16:35] <BluesKaj> apt
[16:35]  * BluesKaj shakes the crumbs out of the KB
[16:36] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj: yes, i generally relly on apt directly, too. but i just noticed i'm getting notification spammed by several diff package managers. so let me rephrase: can i remove some/all of them without ending with a dependency mess?
[16:36] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, yes , just guis for apt
[16:36] <BarkingFish> crumbs??? You eat at your keyboard???  aaaargh!
[16:37] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, i haven't tried removing them , i just turn of the notifiers
[16:37] <BluesKaj> off
[16:38] <outsider> hey hi,
[16:38] <BluesKaj> yeah  BarkingFish , I use a wireless KB here at my easy chair , with coffee and all kinds of good stuff :)
[16:38] <outsider> what software is good for vpn
[16:38] <outsider> safe
[16:39] <Torch> openvpn
[16:39] <outsider> thank u
[16:39] <outsider> but i neeed something free
[16:39] <Torch> it's free and open source
[16:41] <BarkingFish> BluesKaj: I drink at my pc, but never eat while I'm near the keyboard.  I've had the joys of having a furry keyboard before from doing that.  Got some spaghetti sauce in between the keys and it became intelligent :)
[16:41] <outsider> but is not for linux
[16:42] <szal> outsider: of course it is
[16:42] <Torch> sure it's available for linux. where do you get your information from?
[16:42] <szal> outsider: other than that..  do you need a VPN client or a VPN server?
[16:42] <outsider> official web site
[16:43] <outsider> vpn client
[16:43] <BluesKaj> !vpn | outsider
[16:44] <outsider> on windows i got anchor dree
[16:44] <outsider> free
[16:44] <outsider> and that is cool, i need something like that
[16:44] <szal> outsider: p   vpnc                                                                   - Cisco-compatible VPN client
[16:44] <outsider> thanks for the link ubottu thanks all
[16:45] <BarkingFish> outsider: You CAN use it on linux...   I see that from their entry on Google :)
[16:45] <outsider> yeh thank all
[16:59] <hanthana> is it possible to use kde 4.7.4 translations on Kubuntu 11.10?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> hanthana, I think so, altho i haven't tried it yet
[17:01] <hanthana> BluesKaj, is there anyway to confirm it?
[17:15] <BluesKaj> hanthana, I believe some have installed 4.7.4 with success , but the kicker seems to be problematic on some
[17:17] <hanthana> BluesKaj, i am not an Ubuntu user but I am trying to build a localized spin based on Kubuntu 11.10
[17:17] <hanthana> the translation for KDE 4.7.4 has been done
[17:24] <jbwiv> guys, I have sound from everything on my system except amarok. amarok *used* to work, but no longer. It's not muted as far as I can tell. Any ideas what might be wrong?
[17:37] <szal> BluesKaj: what's w/ the Kicker on 4.7.4?
[17:38] <DarkriftX> crap, can anyone tell me what this error means?
[17:38] <DarkriftX> Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[17:38] <DarkriftX> klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'file'.
[17:38] <DarkriftX> .
[17:38] <FloodBotK3> DarkriftX: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[17:38] <DarkriftX> sorry, thought it was one line
[17:38] <szal> DarkriftX: on doing what?
[17:39] <DarkriftX> opening anything that lists files
[17:39] <DarkriftX> dolphin, a save dialog, etc
[17:39] <DarkriftX> I recently updated a bunch of packages that were showing as having updates in apt-get
[17:40] <genii-around> DarkriftX: Have you rebooted since the updates?
[17:41] <DarkriftX> I have not, but im normally asked to when its needed
[17:41] <Torch> DarkriftX: try running this from a  shell: kbuildsycoca4 --noincremental
[17:42] <DarkriftX> sudo required?
[17:42] <genii-around> DarkriftX: I would suggest to do a shutdown-restart, then see if the problem persists... if so then to come back and continue
[17:42] <Torch> DarkriftX: no, must run this as user
[17:42] <DarkriftX> running
[17:42] <DarkriftX> complaining about lots of mime types not having tailing semicolon
[17:43] <DarkriftX> kbuildsycoca4(14082) KConfigGroup::readXdgListEntry: List entry text/html in "/home/darkrift/.local/share/applications/mimeapps.list" is not compliant with XDG standard (missing trailing semicolon).
[17:43] <DarkriftX> example of one of the hundreds of errors
[17:43] <Torch> DarkriftX: it will complain a lot. question is, does it complain about file:// or not... ;-)
[17:43] <Torch> DarkriftX: go check if the error persists in dolphin
[17:45] <DarkriftX> error continues
[17:45] <DarkriftX> I dont see file specifically listed, but URL is
[17:46] <Torch> DarkriftX: please pastebin the contents of /usr/share/kde4/services/file.protocol
[17:47] <DarkriftX> http://pastebin.com/JcpXYmxr
[17:48] <Torch> DarkriftX: looking ok
[17:48] <Torch> DarkriftX: does /usr/lib/kde4/kio_file.so exist?
[17:49] <DarkriftX> Hrmmm, I ran ldconfig a while ago, could that have broken something?
[17:49] <DarkriftX> $ ls -lah /usr/lib/kde4/kio_file.so
[17:49] <DarkriftX> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 83K 2011-12-09 00:07 /usr/lib/kde4/kio_file.so
[17:50] <Torch> DarkriftX: ok, looking good as well.
[17:50] <Torch> DarkriftX: running out of ideas without more diagnostics, i'm afraid
[17:50] <Torch> DarkriftX: try rebooting ;-)
[17:51]  * genii-around makes coffee
[17:51] <DarkriftX> I had a problem where libs that were expectd to be in /usr/lib/ were in /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu instead. I was told to add that folder to a conf and run ldconfig, but it was already in an included conf when I ran ldconfig
[17:51] <DarkriftX> Im almost afraid to boot now lol
[17:51] <DarkriftX> reboot*
[17:52] <Torch> DarkriftX: please pastebin /etc/ld.so.conf and the output of ls -l /etc/ld.so.conf.d
[17:53] <DarkriftX> ld.so.conf is just an include to the folder, ill paste the output of the folder and files
[17:53] <Torch> DarkriftX: that's what i was trying to check ;-)
[17:55] <DarkriftX> http://pastebin.com/WKqDcF0H
[17:59] <Torch> DarkriftX: i don't see anything suspicious, but it's hard to tell of course. i'm on x86-64 here so the files are quite different
[18:00] <DarkriftX> Ok, guess its time to reboot and pray. Is there a way to restart kio before I do?
[18:00] <Torch> DarkriftX: kio itself cannot be started
[18:00] <Torch> DarkriftX: kios are shared libraries
[18:01] <DarkriftX> ok, reboot it is then :S
[18:01] <Torch> DarkriftX: and the one responsible for the file protocol seems to have stopped working for you for whatever reason
[18:01] <DarkriftX> hopefully ill be back in a few minutes
[18:01] <Torch> DarkriftX: good luck ;-)
[18:02] <DarkriftX> odd, the reboot seems to have halted
[18:03] <DarkriftX> kde started to shutduwn, then stopped and re-opened the main panel
[18:03] <Torch> DarkriftX: could be plasma acting up again...
[18:04] <DarkriftX> odd, I no longer have reboot in the leave menu
[18:04] <DarkriftX> guess ill use terminal
[18:04] <DarkriftX> I have no wm, so its hard to navigate
[18:13] <genii-around> kubutunvbtv: FloodBotK3 is a bot :)
[18:17] <Peace-> genii-around: :P
[18:17] <kubutunvbtv> http://tkavbtv.blogspot.com
[18:18] <genii-around> kubutunvbtv: Also there is no advertising in here, it is a way to get yourself booted
[18:18] <Pici> kubutunvbtv: do you have a support question?
[18:18] <kubutunvbtv> this is the webblog
[18:19] <kubutunvbtv> for downloads
[18:19] <kubutunvbtv> so if you dont like
[18:19] <kubutunvbtv> go out
[18:19] <genii-around> kubutunvbtv: It does not matter. If you cannot follow the ruiles here, you will be the one to go out.
[18:20] <kubutunvbtv> ok
[18:22] <kubutunvbtv> you know whom you will introduce you to pack toushck
[18:26] <kubutunvbtv> dous demo
[18:28] <BluesKaj> kubutunvbtv, do you have a kubuntu related question ?
[18:29] <reisi> is there a global hotkey or a desktop effect to just move all the windows out of the way, something like "present desktop"?
[18:29] <kubutunvbtv> If you are running a kubuntun but also I have subsystems that are installed, because the question guy
[18:30] <Peace-> reisi: alt tab?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> Peace-, reisi , what about just opening an unused desktop
[18:32] <reisi> Peace-: nope
[18:32] <Peace-> reisi: systemsettings => destkop effects
[18:32] <Peace-> reisi: there are the shortcuts
[18:32] <BluesKaj> kubutunvbtv, don't use a translator , join #ubuntu-es
[18:33] <reisi> Peace-: i didn't mean "present windows", i meant present *desktop*, but BluesKaj's idea works the same
[18:33] <genii-around> It may not be exactly what you want but ctrl-f12
[18:34] <Peace-> reisi: ctl f11 ?
[18:35] <Peace-> ah undestood  i guess
[18:35] <kubutunvbtv> lololo
[18:35] <kubutunvbtv> thanks u
[18:36] <Peace-> reisi: ctrl f8
[18:36] <genii-around> It *is* annoying that the Show Desktop widget seems to have been removed
[18:37] <Peace-> genii-around: show destkpp is there
[18:38] <Peace-> :P
[18:38] <genii-around> Peace-: Not on mine for some reason. ( kubuntu ppa KDE version )
[18:39] <Peace-> genii-around: haha you suck :P
[18:39]  * Peace- actually i have ppa too
[18:51] <BluesKaj> bbl
[19:25] <DarkriftX> Torch: I was finally able to get booted up, but had a bit of probs.
[19:26] <DarkriftX> my 2nd (and main) screen was not working on reboot. I had to unplug it, boot, plug it in and then "auto detect" it
[19:26] <DarkriftX> but files seem to be working, which was the problem so thanks for the troubleshooting
[20:00] <blair> will kubuntu 12.04 be based on qt 4.8?
[20:01] <genii-around> blair: So far it's based on 4.7.4
[20:02] <genii-around> Since it's an LTS I imagine it will go to qt 4.8 at some point though
[20:05] <blair> genii-around, because they want to be on the latest version since LTS will be supported for so long?
[20:06] <genii-around> blair: Yes, support is also moving to 5 years both desktop and server
[20:08] <genii-around> blair: They may be some devs in #ubuntu+1   ( which is also #kubuntu+1) who know more
[20:08] <Peace-> 4.8 will be release on 25/01 aorund
[20:08] <kimal73> hi, can you give me one repository list of kubuntu 11.10? i have some problems
[20:08] <Peace-> so i guess 12.04 will be based on 4.8
[20:08] <Peace-> !repository
[20:09] <EvilResistance> kimal73:  what kind of problems?
[20:09] <kimal73> EvilResistance: "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided"
[20:09] <EvilResistance> kimal73:  sudo apt-get update
[20:09] <EvilResistance> did you use sudo?
[20:10] <EvilResistance> (or in GUI, kdesu)
[20:10] <kimal73> i done this
[20:10] <blair> Peace-, 25/01 meaning January 25?
[20:10] <Peace-> blair: yes
[20:10] <Peace-> around
[20:10] <Peace-> i don't know well the date but in the late january
[20:11] <blair> Peace-, no, i was asking since it looked like a European date ordering :)
[20:11] <genii-around> kimal73: If you totally screwed up your sources.list file somehow, there is usually the sample one to be found at /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[20:12] <Peace-> blair: i am italian :)
[20:12] <Peace-> blair: and actually  we write 25/01
[20:13] <Peace-> btw here : http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.8_Release_Schedule#Wednesday.2C_January_25.2C_2012:_KDE_SC_4.8_Release
[20:13] <SunTsu> .o0( why on earth does everybody use different date formats, different ordering, different delimiters? So confusing )
[20:14] <kimal73> genii-around: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/777864/
[20:15] <kimal73> genii-around: i have kubuntu on ubuntu.
[20:15] <genii-around> kimal73: If your version is not 8.04  (Hardy)   then just replace all "hardy" with the name of your version ( like natty or oneiric ) instead
[20:16] <blair> is qt 4.8 source compatible with 4.7?
[20:16] <blair> could kubuntu update to qt 4.8 now, and then do kde in january
[20:17] <EvilResistance> blair:  i'm not sure that's wise... it might break things (usually major updates dont get thrown into oneiric main repos, but into backports... but upgrading qt could cause problems)
[20:17] <EvilResistance> genii-around:  that's actually not a safe thing...
[20:18] <EvilResistance> oh wait
[20:18] <EvilResistance> genii-around:  nevermind, misread
[20:18] <blair> EvilResistance, i was asking for precice
[20:18] <genii-around> EvilResistance: He is pasting the example file
[20:18] <genii-around> :0
[20:18] <EvilResistance> blair:  wait, for precise?
[20:18] <EvilResistance> you need the +1 channel...
 blair: They may be some devs in #ubuntu+1   ( which is also #kubuntu+1) who know more
[20:18] <EvilResistance> they're the ones who *might* help
[20:18] <EvilResistance> or might know more
[20:19] <blair> EvilResistance, i'm just curious on what's possible, but i'll check over there
[20:22] <EvilResistance> blair:  also, #kubuntu-devel
[20:26] <kimal73> genii-around: i'changed with oneiric but the problem is here.
[20:26] <EvilResistance> blair:  i have your answer for you :P
[20:26] <blair> EvilResistance, looking forward to it :)  they haven't answered yes/no in ubuntu+1
[20:28] <EvilResistance> blair:  see #ubuntu+1
[20:28] <EvilResistance> i hate pasting into more than one channel ;P
[20:29] <kimal73> EvilResistance: this is the result of sudo apt-get update http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/777881/
[20:50] <kimal73> someone can help for this message on oneric "This operation cannot continue since proper authorization was not provided"
[20:50] <kimal73> *help me
[20:58] <DarthFrog> kimal73: What operation is that?
[20:59] <kimal73> DarthFrog: i try to install some sw from muon software center
[20:59] <DarthFrog> kimal73:  Try "sudo apt-get install <software-package>"
[21:00] <DarthFrog> Or "sudo muon", if you prefer.
[21:01] <kimal73> yes, so it makes. but if i wont install a theme to my desktop background the problem is ever here.
[21:01] <kimal73> i have to use only konsol
[21:03] <kimal73> DarthFrog: this bug was solved before the oneric release. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qapt/+bug/875657
[21:03] <kimal73> yes, it's this.
[21:03] <DarthFrog> apt-get will work.
[21:03] <kimal73> ahahahahahah
[21:04] <DarthFrog> Or "kdesudo muon".
[21:06] <kimal73> DarthFrog: sudo muon is ok...
[21:06] <kimal73> thanks!
[21:08] <DarthFrog> You're welcome.
[21:40] <kimal73> can i use konsol to open the desktop settings?
[21:55] <genii-around> kimal73: kcmshell4 --list    will show you all available modules you call. You can call them by: kcmshell4 module-name
[21:55] <ubuntu__> Olaa!!
[21:55] <ubuntu> Olaa!!
[21:55] <genii-around> !es | ubuntu
[21:56] <ubuntu> OLaa!!
[21:58]  * genii-around sips
[22:01] <Tech-1> jack+coke ?
[22:02] <genii-around> Tech-1: Coffee :)
[22:02] <Tech-1> o
[22:02] <Tech-1> cool
[22:03] <kimal73> genii-around: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/777981/
[22:04] <genii-around> kimal73: Yes, that is the list of control modules available. After you decide which one it is you need from the description beside it, you call it by: kcmshell4 NAME   where NAME is the name on the left side
[22:05] <kimal73> oops ok!!!
[22:28] <meho> guten abend an alle! mein virtualbox startet nicht mehr, hat jemand lust /zeit mir zu helfen
[22:28] <meho> ?
[22:28] <ikonia> !de
[22:29] <meho> sorry THX !
[22:32] <ikonia> no problem
[23:23] <aguitel> how to add my user to vboxusers group ?
[23:25] <ikonia> aguitel: open the useradmin gui, add the user
[23:25] <aguitel> ikonia, how to open useradmin in kde ?
[23:25] <aguitel> where is it?
[23:26] <ikonia> now that is a good question, I don't know as I'm not a kde user on a regulgar basis
[23:31] <OerHeks> In Kubuntu, you can do this by going into the KDE Control Center -> System Administration -> User Management and clicking on the button to go into Administrative Mode.
[23:31] <OerHeks> http://patrickteglia.com/blog/virtualbox-ose-kubuntu
[23:31] <aguitel> OerHeks, thanks
[23:43] <bdonato> so, I just recently installed KDE plasma, what's some neat things I should be setting up?
[23:59]  * vandenoever just upgraded to oneric, now the desktop is frozen
[23:59] <vandenoever> some akonadi rss process is doing tons of io