[08:13] good morning [08:45] Bonjour dholbach :) [08:45] salut nigelb [08:45] :) [09:59] howdy all [10:00] Hey jono, up late? Or are you in UK? [10:00] nigelb, UK [10:00] here for Christmas :-) [10:00] :) [10:06] heh, you probably crossed doctormo in the atlantic [10:13] Hello there. [10:13] popey: heh [10:13] Hey mainerror [10:15] I was all excited because I'm going to buy a SSD for my TP X60 but then I found out that the X60 doesn't even support SATA II. :( [10:16] dholbach, thanks for following up on the ARB thread [10:16] jono, no worries [10:18] dholbach, interesting that reviews is the bottleneck, not packaging [10:18] that is good to know [10:19] jono, I reviewed the comments I could see in the ARB interface and in the LP bug reports that were (sometimes, but probably not always) linked from the entries - maybe I missed some of the conversation [10:19] I should probably clarify that [10:19] sounds good [10:20] but I think this puts us in a stronger position to use the jamming approach [10:20] and a pilot like scheme [10:21] * dholbach nods [12:19] popey: seems: http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/12/21/s04e22-the-unbeliever/ is borked? [12:20] I get "Error establishing a database connection" [12:20] it was [12:20] thanks ☺ [12:22] yw [12:47] popey: Im also having problems listening to the podcast via the "play in popup" - see: http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/21/plasma-desktopuU2060.jpg === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [13:27] morning [13:28] hey mhall119 [13:28] jono: dholbach: did you see my LoCo Teams Unity Lens? [13:29] haha, nice :-) [13:29] https://plus.google.com/photos/109919666334513536939/albums/5688406656036714241/5688406658759946114 (for those who haven't seen it yet) [13:29] mhall119: ITS SUNDAY! go do work :P [13:29] jussi: lol [13:30] * jussi giggles... [14:10] huats, tu as temps en 1h20m? [14:20] mhall119, nice work! [14:26] jono: I'm going to re-factor is later into a general Community lens, with a LoCo Teams scope [14:26] mhall119, that would be awesome [14:26] maybe we can have it pull events from the classroom calendar and other sources that way [14:29] that would be incredible [14:29] I really want to be able to integrate the community experience in Ubuntu [14:29] for example: [14:29] * community events listed in the system calendar [14:30] * indicators showing bugs for projects [14:30] * lenses and scopes for different teams / projects etc [14:31] haha, awesome mhall119! [14:31] just saw the LD lens [14:31] jono: we need a LTP for non-loco teams [14:31] yup [14:31] jcastro: thanks [14:32] jono: it wouldn't take much to fork LTP for non-loco teams, but harder to serve both from a single codebase [14:32] right [14:32] what I would love to see is that the community collaboration experience is integrated tightly into the desktop [14:32] so when you use your computer you can see what needs to be done [14:33] hmmmm, I wonder if I an get geoip info, and have that lens default to local teams and events [14:33] is there a launchpad lens yet? [14:33] AlanBell: not that I've seen, I was thinking about getting with doctormo and making one for LP/GroundControl [14:34] this is the kind of thing I mean: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cHe6wzJJdDwJ:www.jonobacon.org/2011/09/02/better-community-with-better-technology-in-practice/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&client=ubuntu [14:36] jono: got a 404 on that link [14:36] http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/13/loco-council-goings-on-in-12-04/ works better [14:37] his blog seems to have some performance problems right now [14:41] mhall119, really? [14:41] mhall119, well my site is getting hammered right now, so I gave you the cache [14:42] jono: it didn't like something about the url, I suspect the +&cd=blahblahblah at the end, but I got to the content so no worries [14:42] cool [14:43] jono: do you self host your blog? [14:43] I was just reading about wordpress caching plugins the other day [14:43] jcastro, yup [14:43] jcastro, yeah, I might need to cache it, but it only gets hammered every so often [14:44] when I was on wordpress.com I found their service to be quite good [14:44] and it was free [14:45] wp-supercache is great, we have had very very small VPS boxes handle a slashdot hammering with no issues [14:45] that's because no one reads slashdot. :p [14:45] lol [14:45] jono: I added you as an admin on my juju G+ page, but that's for bus factor issues [14:47] bah, unscheduled caffeine refill, hitting the corner store, be back in 10. [14:48] thanks jcastro [15:07] I saw a woman [15:07] buying a coke [15:07] with a check. [15:07] like, a paper check. [15:08] o_O [15:12] dholbach: it is still on my schedule :) [15:12] huats, :-) [15:16] jono: I need the dates to make the launchpad UDS thing [15:17] one sec [15:17] jcastro, 7-11 May 2012 [15:19] does anybody know of somewhere besides bazaar.conf where I might find a launchpad username for a desktop user? [15:20] jono: all set: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q [15:21] mhall119: hey so, I no longer have permissions in summit, want to reset it? [15:21] basically, create a new UDS event, and put it in sponsorship mode. [15:21] jcastro: ok [15:23] jcastro: location and dates? [15:23] jcastro, ok, so we are all set in LP? [15:23] yeah [15:24] mhall119: it's in the launchpad URL I just posted [15:24] https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-q [15:24] jono: don't post anything yet or anything, we need to sort summit first, it only takes like another few minutes [15:24] jcastro, no worries [15:25] mhall119, jelmer or james_w would know [15:25] jcastro: done [15:25] mhall119: what's your launchpad id? I need to put you in the UDS Organizer group [15:25] dholbach: thanks [15:26] * mhall119 <- [15:26] mhall119: #bzr is your place, but its the wrong time. I think you need to ask during Australia day time. [15:26] nigelb: I already know how to get it from the bazaar.conf [15:26] I'm looking for alternatives [15:26] mhall119, bazaar.conf I would say as well, although I'm sure you get it through bzrlib somehow as well [15:26] mhall119, reading the code of the launchpad-login plugin would probably help :) [15:26] I have my LoCo Teams Lens defaulting to show the user's own teams and events, but I have to find their lpusername somewhere to do that, and not everybody is going to have bzr-launchpad configured [15:27] jono: all I need is a deadline to update the sponsorship verbiage and we're all set. === maco2 is now known as maco [15:28] * AlanBell observes a PDT time zone [15:28] yeah, oakland, california [15:28] It's like Detroit, but on the west coast. [15:29] lol [15:29] you sell it so well [15:29] haha [15:29] hah, this is from a guy who kept pushing for UDS in Detroit too :-) [15:29] I was saying that to make fun of jono [15:29] oakland is pretty cool [15:29] but I just realized he doesn't live in Oakland anymore [15:29] I rehearse there with the band [15:29] wait, are we having auds in jono's back yard? [15:29] no, I live in the burbs now [15:29] oakland is awesome, just like detroit is awesome [15:30] jcastro, LOL [15:30] s/auds/a uds/ [15:30] I have never been to the left hand side of America [15:30] jcastro: still not selling it well [15:30] jono: I was being serious, blue collar towns ftw. \m/ [15:30] I wonder if I should go through the visa dance this time. [15:30] it's where they make things like METAL. [15:31] not sure I agree [15:31] Detroit is a dump [15:31] huats, prêts? [15:31] Oakland is a dump in some parts [15:31] lol [15:31] a UDS in detroit would be awesome. [15:31] * jono disagrees [15:31] dholbach: 3 minutes ? [15:31] it would be a liability hazard LOL [15:32] huats, pas de problème [15:33] ohh talking about cities for new UDS? [15:33] mhall119: ok I've asked the techboard to add you to ~uds-organizers. [15:33] mhall119: UDS is an ubuntu event so it's owned by the techboard and ubuntu drivers in launchpad [15:34] so the organizers are owned by the tech board, so anyone who wants to be able to accept blueprints and do track-lead level stuff needs to be in "uds-organizers" [15:35] jcastro: ok, what does being a member of that group get me? [15:35] but everyone who is supposed to be in there is in there, you only need to curate if there's a new manager in Canonical who will be a track lead, or if a new planner like a Michelle or Marianna comes up [15:35] mhall119: you can observe and decline blueprints on launchpad [15:35] nice.. I see it's in Oakland.. Michigan itself has plenty of nice places.. We could have it on Mackinac Island in the Grand Hotel. that would be epic [15:35] but you won't actually be doing that [15:35] jcastro: ah cool, don't tell cjohnston that or he'll be bugging me to approve his stuff [15:35] what you do is watch them come in and then use that data to poke bother people. [15:35] mhall119: I already did, don't worry. [15:36] next call I'll talk you through it [15:36] jcastro: cool, when do you want to do that next call? [15:36] basically you know when I post on ubuntu-devel when "scheduling is looking good!" or "bad", it depends on the amount of blueprints coming in in relation to the event. [15:36] so if it's friday before UDS and the queue is full then you need to bust heads. [15:37] mhall119: and jono from time to time will say "I had a call with $person and all their BPs are good, can you approve them." [15:37] ok [15:38] but let him make that call, you don't want to put a bunch of sessions on there that a track lead is oblivious too [15:38] yeah [15:38] unless he tells you like "just let planella run and approve all his translations stuff, we've talked about it." [15:39] mhall119: when we do our next call I'll just give you my email I send to -devel. [15:39] mhall119: are you working on friday? [15:40] that'd be a good wrap up time before the holidaze [15:40] no, but I'll be hope [15:40] home [15:42] thursday? [15:44] can anyone help me get #ubuntu-qa governed by the IRC ops? [15:44] with a bot in there [15:44] jono: is that Oli's team's new channel? [15:44] balloons, well, not for his team [15:44] QA in the community in general [15:46] jcastro: thursday works for me [15:46] mhall119: hah, I just realized that's tomorrow [15:46] ok I'll ping you and we'll talk UDS stuff [15:46] balloons: so it's your new channel ;) [15:46] jcastro: cool [15:46] lol.. idling now [15:47] balloons, hey, welcome! [15:47] hehe.. when identity and nick meet ;-) [15:47] indeed [15:47] hi balloons, I'm jorge. [15:47] I just checked [15:48] heh [15:48] yes, mhall19 knew who I was [15:48] balloons, dholbach, is Daniel on the team [15:48] ahh.. hello dholbach, jcastro.. [15:48] and dpm is on holiday, he is David Planella [15:50] great.. glad everyone is introduced to my nick at least.. I was telling mhall119 about setting up znc, so I'll be lurker idling from here on out [15:51] balloons: you only think you'll be a lurker. You'll get addicted and then never stop talking in actuality ;) [15:52] god, I hate the music industry [15:52] all I want to do is buy an album [15:52] but it's an "itunes exclusive" and locked away from me. :-/ [15:53] Pendulum: it's so true! we had stats on the other IRC channels I sit in, and it would show who was the most talkative, who had longest sentences, etc.. I always topped the chart with most talking and short sentences :-) [15:53] we used to have stats here, but I haven't seen any for over a year now [15:53] Pendulum: +1 [15:54] balloons: btw, hi, I'm Penelope and I do community work, mainly running the accessibility team [15:55] who's balloons? [15:55] balloons is new [15:55] pop [15:55] balloons: introduce yourself! [15:55] oh ok. hi balloons [15:55] maco: my name is Nicholas Skaggs, and I'm the new QA community coordinator under jono [15:56] oh, hopefully you last longer than the last one [15:56] balloons: btw, do you like metal? [15:56] Aloha [15:56] balloons: i'm mackenzie. i'm semi-retired from ubuntu stuff, but Pendulum is sometimes successful at guilting me into a11y :P [15:57] maco: I trust this is the beginning of a wonderful relationship :-) [15:57] balloons: and if you don't like metal, have you been warned about jono and jcastro's music? ;-) [15:57] * maco covers ears [15:57] Pendulum: I do enjoy metal.. I can do death metal; I'm a big fan of anything that is musically and instrumentally interesting [15:57] ok so NOT death metal. [15:58] * jcastro smirks [15:58] Pendelum: I haven't been warned, but I've seen teh youtube videos, haha [15:58] what they don't know is I have a BA in music, in classical guitar :-) [15:59] i can guess what your fingernails look like [15:59] hey czajkowski, didn't expect to see you online [15:59] classical guitar is awesome [15:59] like, with the back all up on your knee and stuff? [15:59] yes, playing on the wrong leg, with a stand :-) [16:00] did you all know that Robert Trujillo, the bass player from Metallica is also a classically trained guitar player? [16:00] jono: not sure who to poke on this, but the name of the hotel is misspelled on uds.ubuntu.com [16:00] czajkowski: did you see http://ubuntuone.com/6ylsSolQI6EUm7cObrCTcv ? [16:00] yes, many metalheads are.. It's why metal is cool.. [16:00] man I like you already [16:00] you and I can be buddies [16:01] lol [16:01] jcastro: :-) We are in the same state I hear [16:01] * maco is having flashbacks to working in a guitar store [16:01] lolol [16:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ktjlVvMYlA [16:01] until i meet balloons, my brain will just assume he looks like Bill, the guitar department manager [16:01] am I the only member of the community team who isn't musically inclined? [16:01] it's ok, we'll make you inclined [16:02] good luck with that [16:02] mhall119: pro-tip, invest in noise cancelling headphones [16:02] * maco hands mhall119 one of those little wooden frogs with the bumpy back and wooden stick [16:02] you can do percussion! [16:02] maco: I don't even have the rhythm enough to do that [16:02] 17:56 book singles :) [16:02] http://www.perceptivetravel.com/issues/0511/photos/thailand-musical-frog-500.jpg [16:02] bah [16:02] maco: great idea! I'm sure I look just like him. If your curious, my "head" is here https://launchpad.net/~nskaggs [16:03] you just rub the stick back n forth [16:03] from talent import music [16:03] balloons: do you play anything? [16:03] ImportError: musical talent not found [16:03] hmm nope. dont look like bill. popey's closer [16:03] mhall119: that's welll funky [16:03] jcastro: he just said he plays classical guitar... [16:04] funky? [16:04] jcastro: I played/play guitar.. But I'm extremely rusty nowadays I'm sure. I've stopped playing since school [16:04] excellent [16:04] this will be great [16:04] I never learned flamenco all that well.. It's one of my favorite forms of classical guitar [16:05] balloons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dox2nQ3eabg [16:05] you're hired! [16:05] lol -- so your the bassist? [16:05] ok.. so jono on drums, you on bass.. anyone else ? [16:06] no, barry warsaw is the bassist, I am the stand in [16:06] balloons: everyone swaps out, we have like 20 different virtual bands [16:06] hey balloons [16:06] you step in, play a song, and then swap out [16:06] that's really cool [16:06] did you hear that dholbach [16:06] GUITAR! [16:06] dholbach: hello again! [16:06] :-) [16:08] it's linux, it's all about choice [16:11] yeah [16:11] ever since Canonical abandoned choice [16:11] I read that on jono's blog today [16:12] I can't remember whose tag line it was, but didn't it go something like this: "Canonical - putting fun back into fundamentalism"? [16:16] it's odd that people who insist that they must have the ability to customize things, seem to be the first to forget that they don't have to stick with the defaults [16:18] dholbach: hah that's awesome [16:22] http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/simon-says/2011/12/why-java-isnt-dead-on-ubuntu/index.htm [16:22] czajkowski: make it to Ireland? [16:22] yup [16:22] minor delays [16:23] and home to yummy foods [16:23] no crazy travel adventures this time huh? [16:23] slight delays on tube getting there,some fog adn a change of plane [16:23] so only about an hr delayed [16:23] right toodles food calls [16:23] enjoy [16:23] <3 ireland [16:23] czajkowski, I'm glad somebody wrote that up - the article on OMG!Ubuntu! (and other places) would have done well to have a less spectacular headline :) [16:24] dholbach: sensational headlines sell ads [16:24] ah, then I don't do OMG any good [16:25] "Ubuntu 12.04 development update" sounds quite boring [16:25] it's ok, I'm sure you'll get flamed no matter the headline [16:25] dholbach: yeah, try "Massive changes land in 12.04, everything has changed!!!!!!!11eleven" [16:26] jcastro, yep :) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [16:52] daker> hey jcastro [16:52] i just want to know if you we should fix those bugs on the old or the new portal [16:53] hi! [16:53] when is the new portal being deployed? [17:07] dholbach: aye simon mailed me about it and said spread the article [17:08] :) [17:08] hey guys [17:29] cprofitt: hope you're healing quickly! [17:31] * balloons just realized oakland is just east of san fran.. wow. [17:31] I thought it was near Sacramento and san jose, which it is, but it's also RIGHT next to san francisco.. too funny [17:31] yeah, just over the bridge [17:31] can see it from here :) [17:32] \o/ [17:32] nice pleia2. I went to san fran in march this year, and loved driving along the coast and seeing the redwoods, etc [17:32] the venue is right next to super convenient public transit, hooray! [17:33] balloons: nice :) it is beautiful here [17:42] jcastro, i don't know we need to test it before [17:42] daker: can we fix it on the deployed one for now and revisit it later? [17:42] ok [17:44] thanks pleia2 -- it seems to be going well. [17:45] anyone seen rrnwexec recently? [17:57] alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow! [17:57] HUGS HUGS [17:57] have a good evening, dholbach [17:57] you too :) [19:46] jono: you still on the clock? [19:47] I'd like a quick blog review if you have time [19:47] If it takes longer than ~5 I suck. [20:33] you know what is awesome when jill works super late, I don't need to commit to any dinner time [20:33] so if I want to order a pizza at 3:30 in the afternoon [20:33] then i'm good to go! [20:58] -us-ca is having a field day with Oakland, have faith! depending on the statistics you look at, Oakland is not in the top 5 murder capitals of the US, just in the top 10 [20:59] ah, Oakland :) [21:17] UDS San Diego would make me sooooooooooo happy [21:18] hey jcastro [21:18] jcastro; o/ [21:19] But shouldn't the next one be in Europe? [21:19] MrChrisDruif: they have been switched afaik [21:19] rules are meant to be broken [21:19] cjohnston; there have been two in the states afaik ;-) [21:19] MrChrisDruif: its also not set in stone so if they chose to alter it they can :) [21:20] Haha [21:20] Way to go Ubuntu! [21:20] MrChrisDruif: what she said.. but my understanding is that May will be US, Nov will be EU.. which would be switced [21:20] switched [21:20] lovely cold weather in nov in the EU [21:21] late oct/early nov [21:21] when does the icehotel open I wonder [21:21] So Europe will be in May now? Like coming UDS? [21:21] MrChrisDruif: no [21:21] The next one is in the US [21:21] I'd guess Canonical will do it where it is cheaper :/ [21:22] Haha [21:22] "Usually we great our first winter guests in the beginning of December" so not the icehotel :( [21:28] why not in the Principality of Sealand? ;) [21:31] Would be nice =) [21:33] I guess the internet connection would be okay, but space might be an issue :P [22:29] jcastro: do you want to know about pages on uds.ubuntu.com that reference uds-p dates (and one uds-n related item) [22:29] AlanBell: if you want to email them to me, ill fix them [22:30] ok [22:33] AlanBell: also, I'm taking over UDS stuff from jcastro, so if you need something done let me know and I'll make cjohnston do it :) [22:33] thanks [22:39] anytime [22:39] :) [22:39] you should have a nice todo list of stuff now :) [22:41] mhall119: https://uds.ubuntu.com/participate/community/ that one is on you to get done [22:42] lets ditch the text in an image thing [22:42] without so much as an alt attribute [22:43] an image? [22:43] :( [22:43] cjohnston: do you know who made it? [22:43] no [22:43] thats why i said its on you [22:44] well nobody who would know is still around, I'll ask tomorrow [22:45] cjohnston: do we have a launchpad project for summit/uds content bugs? [22:46] there is a project for uds.u.c [22:46] which? [22:47] "The bulk of UDS are discussion sessions we explore problems and develop solutions together, pooling our experience and expertise." parse error [22:48] AlanBell: that sense makes to me [22:48] i thought there was [22:48] maybe not [22:49] were they just filed against the ubuntu-website-content? [22:49] website by yoda written it was [22:49] mhall119: no [22:49] i thought i created one [22:49] i see that i created one for unity.uc [22:49] I think we should make a uds-website project then [22:50] i thought that i had.. i guess not [22:50] that way summit project can be just for the code [22:53] AlanBell: thanks for the list [22:54] z/13 [22:59] mhall119: when does sponsorship close [23:11] cjohnston: I don't know [23:12] i thought you were in charge [23:13] nope [23:13] responsible != in charge [23:14] AlanBell: https://launchpad.net/uds-project can you please report a bug for sponsorship date (#4) down [23:14] mhall119: worth adding public transit options to directions on uds? ($8.40 on BART train from SFO, Oakland airport has BART service too, both are very easy and non-scary) [23:14] you can skip the today, and linaro connect [23:15] UDS Project must be configured in order for Launchpad to forward bugs to the project's developers. [23:16] fixed [23:16] AlanBell: ^ [23:17] Bug #907565 [23:17] Launchpad bug 907565 in uds-project "sponsorship closing date needs to be specified" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/907565 [23:18] AlanBell: no need to paste.. ill get spammed through email. ty [23:18] great [23:21] pleia2: can you send me and cjohnston and email with that information and links please? [23:21] oh, or add it to the uds-project on LP [23:22] mhall119: I haz super powers on uds.u.c [23:22]