[02:35] <hansin> Does anyone know anything about the blink cursor when you log into the console? I know I can disable it, but thought it would make sense by now to have it disabled by default. I thought the blinking cursor cause the CPU to wake up from sleep states, so a power drain. Maybe I am off on that.
[02:39] <twb> I doubt the blinking cursor consumes significant resources.
[02:39] <twb> Screen blanking should trip by default after 10 minutes of inactivity.
[02:41] <samba35> how to configure tap0 device
[02:53] <samba35> i am able to configure tap device but how do i save/store prenatally
[02:54] <twb> Before birth?
[03:05] <hansin> twb: okay, thanks. I guess I was hoping there was a functional reason to have it disabled by default like RHEL. It is a water torture sort of thing for me. Absolutely hate blink cursors.
[03:05] <twb> man setterm, IIRC
[03:05] <twb> Hmm, maybe not.  I'm not sure where that's configured
[03:06] <twb> setterm -cursor off hides it altoghether
[03:07] <hansin> That is okay, I have a command written down that disables it. I am not on a linux box right now, so cannot remember, but basically you echo a 0 or 1 to some file.
[03:07] <twb> Oh, probably something in /proc then
[03:08] <hansin> yeah, that sounds right.
[03:08] <hansin> or /sys
[03:56] <twister004> hi guys... how can I setup a reverse VPN server on ubuntu server such that the server initiates the connection, that way, a NAT is not needed on the router....
[03:58] <twb> IPv6 ?
[03:58] <twister004> twb... no.. IPv4
[03:59] <twister004> twb: I've heard of some reverse VPN servers, where the server initiates the connection, all the client has to do is just connect... and no NAT is requried
[04:01] <twb> If the problem is "I have a NAT" the solution is "migrate to IPv6"
[04:03] <twister004> twb: is there no other way?.. like reverse SSH tunnel... or any software?
[04:03] <twb> There may be other ways; those ways are Wrong
[04:04] <twister004> twb: why's that?
[04:12] <twister004> twb: can I use openvpn over proxy?
[04:13] <yaboo> trying to install a binary driver, how can I manually add a driver.
[04:29] <twister004> Can someone please tell me how I can have a VPN server behind a NAT gateway and use it without setting up NAT on the gateway?
[04:34] <yaboo> trying to modprobe some drivers, know the drivers are in the /lib/modules/kernel/dir, but keeps stating cannot find the drivers, do I have to register the drivers
[04:38] <twb> You cannot simply drop .ko files in a dir and expect them to work
[04:38] <twb> However I don't support binary drivers, so you're on your own.
[05:11] <yaboo> twb I compiled the drivers myself, can see the drivers .ko files on the lib/modules dir, but cannot modprobe them
[05:12] <twb> yaboo: suggest you read up on DKMS
[05:12] <yaboo> ok dkms, also there the ltmodem drivers from the repo, and cannot be found
[06:37] <ChmEarl> the network config file /etc/network/interfaces: is there a way to syntax check this without restarting interfaces or the whole network?
[06:38] <twb> yaboo: is this for a dialup modem?
[06:39] <yaboo> twb yes
[06:39] <twb> yaboo: throw it out and buy one that has a serial port
[06:39] <twb> yaboo: it is NOT worth the hassle
[06:39] <yaboo> twb very hard to find in Australia now
[06:39] <yaboo> twb yes know not worht the hassle, want to use it for faxing
[06:39] <twb> dealextreme or something might have one, I dunno
[06:40] <twb> Second ddg hit is newegg.com claiming to still be selling US Robo modems
[06:41] <twb> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16825104135
[06:41] <yaboo> thanks twb
[06:42] <twb> I think that's actually more or less what I'm using only my one was bought in like 1978
[08:09] <koolhead11> hi all
[10:51] <caribou> Morning, trivial launchpad question
[10:51] <caribou> If I want to propose a fix to vm-builder, smoser suggested that I create a branch & propose it for a merge
[10:52] <caribou> which bzr push URL should I use to upload the vm-builder branch I want to propose ?
[10:52] <caribou> I know how to do it for a project I'm a member of, but this is not the case for vm-builder
[10:54] <xranby> caribou: I think you can push it to your private bzr repository at launchpad and then the branch can be pulled in by a sponsor of the vm-builder team
[10:54] <caribou> xranby: ah ok, that would explain why, unlike with my projects, I was unable to "propose for merge" in LP
[10:55] <micahg> caribou: http://developer.ubuntu.com/packaging/html/fixing-a-bug.html
[10:55] <micahg> towards the end it explains what to do with the branches
[10:57] <caribou> micahg: thanks, that's what I  was looking for
[13:31] <smoser> caribou, you should be able to push to lp:~caribou/vm-builder/your-branch-name
[13:31] <caribou> smoser: I did that but then, I was not able to propose a merge
[13:32] <caribou> so I followed micahg's advice & it worked
[13:32] <caribou> smoser: so you should see the branch available for review now
[13:33] <caribou> smoser: I pushed it to /ubuntu/precise/vm-builder
[13:36] <jonludlam> zul: are you around?
[13:36] <zul> jonludlam: about to start my holidays
[13:36] <jonludlam> me too :-)
[13:36] <jonludlam> was just wondering about the xen packages
[13:36] <zul> what about them?
[13:37] <jonludlam> I believe qemu-dm wants to load its keymaps from /usr/share/qemu/keymaps
[13:37] <jonludlam> but the qemu dir seems to be /usr/share/qemu-linaro these days
[13:37] <jonludlam> or at least, that's where the keymaps are found
[13:38] <zul> jonludlam: yeah ill probably look at it over christmas but im just about to run out the door
[13:38] <jonludlam> ok
[13:38] <jonludlam> 1 quick thing more then
[13:38] <zul> sure
[13:38] <jonludlam> will you be pulling 4.1.2-2?
[13:38] <jonludlam> it's got some new ocaml libs packaged up with it
[13:39] <zul> jonludlam: yes
[13:39] <jonludlam> excellent, good news. thanks!
[13:39] <jonludlam> have a good holiday :-)
[13:47] <smoser> caribou, fyi, the branch i proposed pushing to is the *upstream* branch, versus the ubuntu branch.
[13:47] <smoser> either is fine for this.
[13:55] <caribou> smoser: ah, ok, I see the difference
[14:00] <koolhead11> smoser: http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/oneiric/  is from where i will get the cloud images
[14:01] <smoser> http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com would be preferred (only different in name)
[14:01] <smoser> remember that daily builds get zero testing
[14:02] <smoser> and that you can (and should) use the machine formated information at http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/query
[14:03] <koolhead11> cool
[14:03] <koolhead11> smoser: i dont see this url anywer on cloud.ubuntu.com, am i missing sumthing
[14:06] <smoser> where did you see uec-images link?
[14:06] <koolhead11> smoser:  today from google. :D
[14:07] <koolhead11> hello Daviey
[15:38] <smoser> adam_g, awake?
[15:39] <smoser> adam_g, when you get in, is https://code.launchpad.net/~gandelman-a/ubuntu/precise/cobbler-enlist/avahi/+merge/85646 still relevant ?
[15:39] <smoser> (there are merge conflicts)
[15:49] <Lcawte> Hi, was there any power related changes added for 11.04, because my server seems to stop just before post ends when I use 11.04, and it worked fine in 10.10
[16:48] <Lcawte> hmm, what does Ubuntu use to manage power? Because for some reason I don't have power nap, and I can't find what is used to manage power etc, because my computer doesnt boot 11.04 or 11.10 but does 10.10 fine
[16:50] <edgy> hallyn: hi
[17:00] <Lcawte> Anyone have any idea what I can do to fix this?
[17:09] <smoser> mmm_, around ?
[17:20] <SpamapS> Lcawte: not sure what is broken
[17:20] <SpamapS> Lcawte: if your machine is turning *off* at boot.. that seems like a kernel bug.
[17:21] <aljosa> anybody knows what is the last version of ubuntu that works with ibm db2 (partner ppa) w/ only apt-get install and no other system wide modifications?
[17:23] <smoser> anyone know have idas as to why i cnanot recreate bug 854866 on debian ?
[17:25] <smoser> SpamapS, ^
[17:26] <SpamapS> smoser: good question, reading
[17:27] <SpamapS> smoser: maybe the useradd or groupadd fails quietly in Debian where ours does not?
[17:28] <smoser> that was my only thought too, but looking at the "Remainging changes" in a shadow source package doesn't mention anything like that.
[17:28] <SpamapS> yeah I don't think we'd want to break all those user/group adds
[17:30] <rbasak> hey zul, I can look at bug 899427 and bug 905527 unless you've already got plans?
[17:30] <zul> rbasak: plans is called holiday
[17:30] <zul> :)
[17:30] <rbasak> :-)
[17:30] <rbasak> I've still got two days left!
[17:31] <zul> im not here :)
[17:31] <smoser> A poor excuse for picking a man's pocket every twenty-fifth of December!
[17:31]  * rbasak will do the horizon bugs in zul's absense then :)
[17:31] <rbasak> erm...right after I learn to spel
[17:51] <Lcawte> SpamapS: no, it just hangs
[17:52] <SpamapS> rbasak: its ovarreitied
[17:52] <SpamapS> Lcawte: if you remove 'quiet' from the commandline args, you might get some clue as to what it is hanging on
[17:53] <SpamapS> Lcawte: when the grub menu shows up, you can edit the arguments
[17:53] <Lcawte> SpamapS: it doesn't go to grub
[17:53] <Lcawte> it finishes all the stuff in post and then hangs just before where it would go to grub
[17:54] <SpamapS> Lcawte: thats pretty seriously broken then.
[17:54] <SpamapS> Lcawte: you may want to boot from a live CD/USB key and use that to re-install grub.
[17:55] <Lcawte> It doesn't seem to be grub though, I can put the disk in another machine and it'll work fine
[17:55] <SpamapS> Lcawte: http://odzangba.wordpress.com/2011/05/14/455/
[17:55] <SpamapS> Lcawte: thats beyond my skills then. :-/
[17:56] <SpamapS> Lcawte: its entirely possible, though, that there is some weird compatibility/geometry problem.
[18:07] <smoser> SpamapS, just fyi, i found out why i couldn't reproduce on debian. i was using olderl package version in debian and http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=620505 caused this regression
[18:08] <SpamapS> smoser: I'm not sure I understand, but I trust that you do, so I won't pay it any more mind. :)
[18:09] <smoser> ubuntu has newer version than i was trying to reproduce with on debian stable.
[18:09] <smoser> the newer version (debian testing) recreates the bug.
[18:11] <adam_g> smoser: gah, i think there have been merges since that proposal. deleted, ill rebase and resubmit since it looks like we'll be using the C version utility of that after all
[18:12] <SpamapS> smoser: I read "olderl" as "oldperl" .. now I see it was just a typo. haha.
[18:13] <smoser> oldperl does suck
[18:40] <pmatulis> is anybody here successfully using kerberos with apache?
[18:41] <smoser> SpamapS, you have thoughts on my question in -devel ?
[18:42] <smoser> mmm_, its regarding your branch for ganglia at https://code.launchpad.net/~mark-mims/ubuntu/precise/ganglia/useradd
[18:42] <SpamapS> smoser: you mean m_3
[18:42] <smoser> ah. dagum 3 ms
[18:43] <SpamapS> m_3: ^^ smoser has been calling you mmm_ ;)
[18:43] <smoser> m_3,
[18:43] <smoser> i've been calling him other things too, but that was the nicest of the bunch
[18:43] <smoser> (joking)
[20:14] <iToast> how do i remove LAMP
[20:14] <iToast> and reinstall it
[20:15] <ikonia> why ?
[20:15] <ikonia> what have you done ?
[20:20] <jmarsden> sudo tasksel remove lamp-server   # if you installed it using sudo tasksel install lamp-server
[20:21] <ikonia> he doesn't need to remove it
 how do i remove LAMP    was the question being asked... I thought...
[20:27] <smoser> hallyn, around ?
[20:27] <smoser> i tihnk kvm user-net is worse than it used to be.
[20:27] <smoser> of course i have no data to back that up
[20:28] <ikonia> jmarsden: correct, but after reading what's been posted in other channels, he doesn't have to reinstall
[20:29] <smoser> other than libvirt is there any way that people use kvm and get non "usernet" networking ?
[20:30] <smoser> i'm used to something like this, but its networking is painful right now: time kvm -drive file=orchestra.disk,if=virtio,boot=on -cdrom custom.iso    -net nic -net user,hostfwd=tcp::2222-:22 -m 1024    -nographic -serial file:serial-console.log
[20:32] <jmarsden> smoser: See http://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Networking for some ideas on bridging using -net nic,macaddr=$macaddress -net tap    for example...
[20:33] <smoser> yeah... i just dont like the "i have to be root" stuff.... the user-net was so noice.
[20:33] <smoser> actually... it seems like: model=virtio
[20:34] <smoser> made a significant difference.
[20:34] <smoser> where significant == maybe 50x or better
[20:34] <jmarsden> That's... pretty significant :)
[20:38] <mzaza> I can't find ;extension=mysql.so
[20:38] <smoser> yeah. now i'm getting ~ 10MB/s on a 100Mb/s network.
[20:38] <mzaza> Should I just add it anywhere, in the /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini file ?
[20:42] <mzaza> I have been having a problem for 2 days in configuring my local webserver, isn't this a help channel or what?
[20:42] <RoyK> mzaza: just installing php5-mysql should do that automatically
[20:43] <mzaza> RoyK: It's already installed :-S
[20:44] <RoyK> mzaza: then it should work - what does phpinfo() have to say?
[20:45] <mzaza> RoyK: Lots of things but I guess, it's enabled.
[20:47] <RoyK> mzaza: if it lists mysql as enabled, it is
[20:47] <mzaza> RoyK: I just created a database and imported it's tables from phpmyadmin, and then created a symbolic link for the website in /var/www but I get an error "The site database appears to be down" !
[20:47] <RoyK> have you configured the webapp correctly?
[20:48] <RoyK> it usually needs a username, password, dbname, and perhaps dbhost and dbport
[20:48] <mzaza> RoyK: I tried it on a friends windows laptop running easyphp and it worked perfectly.
[20:48] <mzaza> rackisland.com/zaza.zip this is the site and it's sql if you would like to give a look at it's config.php
[20:49] <RoyK> is mysql running? can you connect to the database manually? can you connect from a php test script?
[20:49] <mzaza> Haven't tried that. Can you point me to a test script example?
[20:49] <RoyK> php.net
[20:49] <RoyK> there's tons of test code there
[20:50] <mzaza> OK, I'll check it now.
[20:52] <mzaza> RoyK: Successfully connected :-/ and showed tables in the database.
[20:53] <RoyK> then it works... all you have to do is configure that webapp correctly :þ
[20:53] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, are you around ?
[20:55] <mzaza> RoyK: What's strange is that the same webapp worked perfectly on my friends windows machine, and it worked with another friend. If you have some time to spare could you check the config file yourself =) ?
[20:56] <mzaza> RoyK: What's even strange is that it works well on a server running linux + cpanel!
[20:56] <RoyK> no, sorry
[20:56] <mzaza> ok, thanks :)
[20:58] <mzaza> RoyK: Just one more thing why it works here rackisland.com/zaza%20(2)/ which is a linux server and it doesn't run on mine?! It has to be something with my configuration or something I'm missing.
[20:59] <RoyK> mzaza: sorry, I just don't know
[21:00] <mzaza> np :) ty
[21:11] <EvilResistance> anyone know why an ext4 partition would become unstable and unclean, thereby requiring an fsck from an external disk to fix the system?
[21:13] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: there are a number of reasons
[21:14] <EvilResistance> what're the most common ones
[21:14] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: disk errors, reboot during heavy write activity.. a kernel bug... "bit rot"
[21:14] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: powering off with disk drives' write cache enabled is another one
[21:15] <EvilResistance> power failure during a shutdown procedure (i.e. incomplete shutdown)?
[21:15] <SpamapS> Possibly
[21:15] <SpamapS> journalling helps with these, but sometimes its just a mess
[21:16] <EvilResistance> mmm
[21:16] <EvilResistance> well i've had to boot into either an external system or a livecd in order to run fsck just to fix the partition twice in the past 3 weeks
[21:17] <EvilResistance> signs of system failure perhaps?
[21:18] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: are you letting the fsck finish?
[21:18] <EvilResistance> mhm
[21:18] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: definitely inspect your logs for errors. thats abnormal.
[21:23] <EvilResistance> SpamapS:  I just received the UPS i ordered a few days ago, once its all charged up, is there a way to get ubuntu server to check the power remaining in said UPS (Uninterruptible Power Supply, aka battery backup), and auto-shutdown when the power gets to a certain level?  I'm pretty certain at this point the power failures caused by some storms are causing this issue.
[21:24] <SpamapS> EvilResistance: yeah there are daemons that will talk to the UPS's and shutdown gracefully
[21:25] <SpamapS> I haven't set such a thing up in a long time, but apcupsd was a good one "back in the day"
[21:25] <guntbert> !apcupsd | EvilResistance
[21:26] <guntbert> EvilResistance: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/apcupsd
[21:26] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: here
[21:26] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, bug 905854
[21:26] <smoser> fix uploaded.
[21:26] <smoser> hm..
[21:26] <smoser> funy
[21:27] <smoser> how about 907525
[21:27] <smoser> does that make more sense ?
[21:27] <smoser> bug 907525
[21:27] <EvilResistance> guntbert:  thanks
[21:29] <smoser> but, RoAkSoAx if you want to fix that memory leak in unity-2d that'd be great too
[21:29] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: right, should not depend on python-support as it uses dh_python2
[21:30] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: and the postinst should probably be taken care automatically
[21:30] <RoAkSoAx> by dh_python2
[21:31] <smoser> shoot. yeah, should have taken it all the way out
[21:31] <smoser> i did not
[21:31] <smoser> just ripped otu that section. but the whole thing is not needed now.
[21:31] <RoAkSoAx> yeah
[21:34] <aarcane> so I'm working on planning a deployment of virtualization around my site.  I've run into a snafu.  I'm wanting to devote two systems to virtualization, which are intended to bounce virtual machines back and forth between them as needed.
[21:34] <aarcane> But I've got two types of systems I want to run.  Stateless and Stateful.  I want to run the Stateless machines as cloud instances in UEC, and the stateful machines in libvirt.
[21:35] <aarcane> I can't find any good documentation on how (if at all) the two will interact
[21:35] <aarcane> also, I will need to ensure that the stateful machines' images are synced in realtime, and can't find good documentation for that either.
[21:37] <smoser> RoAkSoAx, so should i remove that file entirely and push an UNRELEASED to lp:precise/cobbler ?
[21:37] <aarcane> any ubuntu/UEC/libvirt specific help would be much appreciated
[21:38] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: you can go ahead and upload it cause otherwise it might get lost on lp:precise/cobbler
[21:39] <smoser> yeah.. that sucks. i dont thin its worth an upload though
[21:40] <smoser> well... if it gets lost, then maybe sometime i'll remember it
[21:40] <smoser> i just pushed there.
[21:46] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: ok ;)
[21:57] <adam_g> smoser: hmph i *just* hit the same bug building something against python-nova and python-glance
[22:04] <adam_g> smoser: why would that be popping up across packages at the same time? i dont think those two have had any changes wrt that stuff in a while
[22:04] <smoser> you're doing this in EC2?
[22:04] <smoser> python-support left the images i think. previously one or 2 packages actually listed it as a dependency so lots of others got by without it
[22:04] <smoser> but now the images dont' have that by default
[22:05] <smoser> adam_g, to work around, just install python-support first
[22:05] <adam_g> smoser: im actually running during packages builds in chroot
[22:06] <smoser> well the source of the problem is the same.
[22:06] <smoser> they needed it, but didn't declare it and previously just got it
[22:06] <adam_g> right
[22:09] <adam_g> smoser: so, python-support as a build depends should probably just be removed along with the *.postinst?
[22:09] <smoser> well what was failing ?
[22:09] <smoser> the build actually failed ?
[22:09] <smoser> i'd ask in #ubuntu-devel
[22:09] <adam_g> smoser: the postinst on both, during install. haven't rebuild without
[22:09] <smoser> a.) because people there know more than me (doku)
[22:09] <smoser> b.) because i have to run
[22:10] <adam_g> cya
[22:16] <m_3> smoser: hey... do I need to do something else with the ganglia/useradd branch?
[23:17] <twb> So you know how ubuntu debconf uses magenta instead of blue?
[23:18] <twb> Apparently during 12.04 mini.iso, if you mistype the root password the second time, it goes back to blue when you re-answer the password question
[23:25] <twb> Also apparently precise (unlike lucid) isn't guessing the domain and NTP server from the DHCP response options, although that could be some exciting new heisenbug here...