[00:00] <monsterwizard> has anyone had experience with wubi?
[00:11] <jutnux> monsterwizard: Yep.
[00:11] <jutnux> What's the problem?
[00:12] <monsterwizard> I have an error
[00:12] <monsterwizard> and it tells me to refer to this file
[00:12] <monsterwizard> http://pastebin.com/VtkG7tsF
[00:22] <jutnux> IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 'F:\\wubildr'
[00:22] <jutnux> Do you have permission to run Wubi?
[00:37] <monsterwizard> ahh the problem was python
[02:28] <directhex> the problem is always python
[05:11] <czajkowski> morning
[05:16] <dutchie> hi czajkowski
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> \o
[05:18] <MartijnVdS> Why is everyone up this early? :)
[05:24] <czajkowski> heading to the airport
[05:24] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: it's not snowing!
[05:25] <czajkowski> I know this is good
[05:25] <MartijnVdS> :)
[05:25] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: have a nice flight, etc.
[05:25] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: cheers, whats your excuse for being up this early ?
[05:26] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: going to work in half an hour
[05:26] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: also, I'm one time zone ahead, so it's 6:26
[05:26] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: ahh where are you?
[05:26] <MartijnVdS> the Netherlands, as usual :)
[05:27] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: didnt know that
[05:27]  * dutchie doing night shift :)
[05:27] <czajkowski> dutchie: fun!
[05:28] <czajkowski> right time to head
[05:28] <czajkowski> toodles
[05:28] <MartijnVdS> I'm also considering visiting the "glass house" in Leiden -- they've locked 3 radio DJs inside for a week for charity
[08:27] <danfish> morning
[08:28] <MooDoo> morning
[08:52] <AlanBell> morning
[09:06] <daubers> Morning
[09:10] <BigRedS> morning
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> Morning
[09:16] <danfish> oops - the czajkowski effect on travel is in full swing ;) expect delays
[09:24] <daubers> \o/
[09:25]  * daubers does like it when he can hire people and get's responses to job ads not from agencies
[09:32]  * TheOpenSourcerer thinks he might have had a dodgy pint last night.
[09:33] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:34] <bigcalm> New kernel = restart time. Boo :(
[09:34] <christel> good morning
[09:34]  * bigcalm tickles christel before vanishing
[09:35] <christel> VANISHING CALM?!
[09:35] <bigcalm> Better than Vanishing Clam
[09:35] <bigcalm> I shall return!
[09:35] <christel> hahaha
[09:36] <christel> oh i remember when i kept typoing, and then decided to adopt said spelling, your handle as bigclam :D
[09:36] <bigcalm> Yep :)
[09:42] <popey> morning
[09:43]  * bigcalm has returned!
[09:43] <bigcalm> Hi popey
[09:43] <popey> ?29
[09:43] <popey> BAH!
[09:43] <bigcalm> Na, 32
[09:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> ?46
[09:46] <popey> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/santaclauslive-inside-cam
[09:47] <bigcalm> That's creepy
[09:53] <smittix> Moaning
[09:53] <smittix> Santa's coming soon!
[09:53] <smittix> heh
[10:05] <jutnux> Yay
[10:05]  * jutnux becomes a 2 year old once more
[10:05] <jutnux> C# is fast becoming my favourite language
[10:06] <jutnux> Other than Python & Java
[10:07] <smittix> Speaking of Java, I went to use an ATM This morning which had a Java error plastered across the screen
[10:08] <HazRPG> smittix: ooo, did you take pics?
[10:08] <HazRPG> could have been the adverts they use...
[10:09] <smittix> Was going to but around here there has been a big press release about lebanese loops being used. So didn't want to look suspicious heh
[10:09] <HazRPG> heh ah
[10:29]  * gmb digs up popey's mumbuntu blog posts in preparation for installing inlawbuntu at the weekend. 
[10:29] <bigcalm> Doesn't quite have the same ring to it
[10:29] <popey> ruhroh
[10:29] <gmb> No
[10:29] <gmb> Could also be known as arghargharghwhywhywhybuntu
[10:29] <gmb> Depends, really.
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> GAWGWAARGHARGLBL?
[10:38] <christel> yes.
[11:00] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[11:14] <dwatkins> loes
[11:16] <MooDoo> yo!
[12:38] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ubuntu UK Podcast] S04E22  The Unbeliever - http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2011/12/21/s04e22-the-unbeliever/
[12:50] <Nafallo> popey, Daviey: am I still in the mirrors list for the UUPC? :-)
[12:50] <zleap> hi
[13:09] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Quality In Ubuntu - http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/12/21/quality-in-ubuntu/
[13:13]  * aquarius punches popey for the ripping dvds comment :)
[13:14]  * bigcalm pmsl at the panto
[13:20] <popey> haha
[13:20] <bigcalm> popey, tonytiger (Laura & Mark who don't seem to like IRC): What a wonderful play. Well done and thank you for all of the laughs
[13:21] <popey> cheers
[13:25] <aquarius> harsh to morley!
[13:25] <bigcalm> Harsh to call anybody a Brummie
[13:26] <tonytiger> bigcalm: thanks :)
[13:27] <tonytiger> Nafallo: no, your mirror was disabled in May when it went down and up and down
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> Jump up jump up & get down!
[13:27] <Nafallo> tonytiger: meh. how useful :-P
[13:28] <Nafallo> tonytiger: want to re-enable it? :-)
[13:28] <Nafallo> I believe I changed httpd since then :-P
[13:29] <tonytiger> I'll have to manually sync it
[13:29] <Nafallo> oh. let me go and do that :-)
[13:30] <tonytiger> It's OK, I'm already doing it
[13:30] <Nafallo> heh. okay.
[13:30] <Nafallo> I'll check logs then ;-)
[13:30] <Nafallo> meh. looks like it's out of space.
[13:31] <Nafallo> and indeed it is.
[13:31]  * Nafallo fixes
[13:32] <tonytiger> Let me know when it's fixed.
[13:32] <Nafallo> will do
[13:33] <Nafallo> I bet this machine will have had troubles installing new apt upgrades and stuff.
[13:40] <Nafallo> tonytiger: okay. you can kick it again. I'm removing new linux kernels as well as having bumped the virtual hard drive a bit and re-partitioned ;-)
[13:40] <Nafallo> s/new//
[13:40] <Nafallo> it had 11 kernels installed ;-)
[13:41] <Nafallo> might be a bit many
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> Purge ALL the kernels
[13:41] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: nah. keeping two :-P
[13:41] <popey> wuss
[13:43] <Nafallo> hah. loads of episodes downloading now ;-)
[13:43] <Nafallo> sent 13984 bytes  received 821865266 bytes  19804319.28 bytes/sec
[13:43] <Nafallo> total size is 10140137089  speedup is 12.34
[13:44] <Nafallo> tonytiger: okay. I'm up-to-date :-)
[13:44] <Nafallo> Wed, 21 Dec 2011 13:43:13 +0000: Ubuntu-UK podcast mirror operations completed.
[13:55] <tonytiger> OK I've turned your mirror back on
[14:08] <Nafallo> tonytiger: kewl. ta.
[14:08] <bigcalm> xmas present from my employer - job security into Spring \o/
[14:10] <MooDoo> bigcalm: yay!
[14:15]  * daubers wants to sleep now
[14:18] <MooDoo> daubers: WAKE UP
[14:24] <daubers> MooDoo: I just shipped 12 servers, 12! 8 months ago I would ship that many in  6 weeks! Not 2 weeks into the month they where ordered!
[14:25]  * daubers wonders whether this "recession" thing actually exists or if it's some kind of myth dreamed up by the government to hide something else
[14:35] <kvarley> I just removed a storage hard drive from my computer and now my computer boots to grub rescue
[14:35] <kvarley> It shouldn't have been affected by the change because the drive that grub is on is the only operating system drive
[14:35] <kvarley> Is it possible that a change in sata cables to the motherboard is to blame?
[14:38] <popey> kvarley: its more probably that the boot loader isn't where you thought it was ☺
[14:38] <kvarley> can I use grub rescue to install it to my hard drive? ah yeah, I remember now, the storage drive was the first hdd in the bios for some reason. so it will have installed grub to the first hdd
[14:39] <popey> yeah, i expect so
[14:55] <andylockran> howdy all
[14:55] <andylockran> daubers: interesting
[14:56] <andylockran> given that the FTSE was at ~6500 at it's peak, and now it's at ~5500 we're not going too badly
[14:56] <andylockran> 5387 at the mo
[15:00] <kvarley> "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)." - popey - any ideas? I get that error when doing "sudo grub-install /dev/sda"
[15:04] <popey> kvarley: sorry, am on the phone
[15:04] <kvarley> popey: no problem =]
[15:06] <andylockran> kvarley: can you cat /etc/fstab and see if /boot/ should be mounted?
[15:06] <andylockran> post the output of 'cat /etc/fstab' to a pastebin
[15:07] <brobostigon> pastebinit /etc/fstab :)
[15:08] <kvarley> andylockran: paste.ubuntu.com/777522/
[15:09] <kvarley> http://paste.ubuntu.com/777522/
[15:09] <daubers> meh, the stockmarkets all made up anyway
[15:09] <kvarley> It doesn't show sda as being mounted
[15:10] <Nafallo> tonytiger: http://stats.magicalforest.net/mrtg/pony.magicalforest.net_ent.html :-)
[15:11] <andylockran> kvarley: can you now run : pastebinit `ls -ltrR /boot`
[15:12] <andylockran> to be honest, I am unfamiliar with overlayfs too - so I might not be abl eto help
[15:12] <kvarley> Unable to read from error
[15:12] <kvarley> sudo?
[15:13] <andylockran> sure
[15:13] <andylockran> pastebinit `sudo ls -ltrR /boot`
[15:13] <andylockran> gmm
[15:14] <andylockran> ls -ltrR /boot | pastebinit
[15:15] <kvarley> andylockran: http://paste.ubuntu.com/777535/
[15:16] <kvarley> I'm running from a live disc tho
[15:16] <kvarley> So anything in /boot will be the /boot on the disc, not the one on my hard drive
[15:23] <andylockran> right
[15:23] <andylockran> that makes more sense
[15:24] <Nafallo> tonytiger: oh, in and out is swapped on that thing btw :-P
[15:30] <popey> .49
[15:30] <popey> oops
[15:33] <s-fox> Hello.
[15:33] <s-fox> o/ MooDoo
[15:34] <Nafallo> popey: you should just modify your keymap to always do / if there are numbers after ;-)
[15:35] <popey> ☺
[15:37] <kvarley> popey && andylockran: Fixed=D
[15:37] <popey> yay
[15:38] <kvarley> I did "ls" in grub rescue to find out the partitions and then "ls (hd0,6)/boot" to check it was Ubuntu. Then using a live disc I installed it =)
[15:38] <kvarley> Thanks for the help
[15:42] <andylockran> sorry I couldn't help more
[15:42] <andylockran> thanks
[15:42] <andylockran> good job :D
[15:56] <czajkowski> AL!!
[15:56] <czajkowski> Aloh!
[15:56] <Pendulum> czajkowski: hiya!
[15:56] <MooDoo> czajkowski: afternoon you gorgeous thing you :D *POKE*
[15:56] <czajkowski> danfish: it's funny you say that
[15:57] <czajkowski> between the bakerpool line and fog adn an mal functioning plane I got home!
[15:57] <czajkowski> <----- KNACKERED!
[15:57] <Pendulum> czajkowski: as long as you made it in under 100 hours this year ;-)
[15:57] <czajkowski> Pendulum: I did
[15:57] <czajkowski> and then went and visted family
[15:57] <czajkowski> so just in the door now
[15:57] <czajkowski> homne to lovely brown irish stew
[15:58] <MooDoo> glad to see you home safe czajkowski
[15:58] <czajkowski> cheers
[15:58] <Azelphur> This is driving me a bit insane, trying to find out how to create a launcher in xfce 4 so that kupfer picks it up
[15:58] <Azelphur> In gnome it was just right click on desktop create launcher
[16:06] <Lcawte> Hmm, what is it that was changed between 10.10 and 11.04 in Ubuntu Server thats meaning my machine can now no longer handle booting 11.04...
[16:07] <Azelphur> woo, had to write my own desktop file in an obscure place but I got it \o/
[16:11] <oimon1> super meat boy doesn't run on lucid :(
[16:12] <gord> oimon1, it prolly does, try deleting some of the static libraries it ships
[16:12] <oimon1> gordi think it's realted to libgl1-mesa-glx
[16:12] <bigcalm> I had it running in steam in wine
[16:12] <oimon1> needs 7.10 version rather than 7.7
[16:12] <bigcalm> Some bits didn't look right, but the main game worked well enough
[16:13] <oimon1> looking for a PPA that might have later package
[16:14] <Lcawte> Anybody have any idea what could be causing it to stall at the end of post?
[16:16] <oimon1> https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5252 looks like a similar bug to the SMB one
[16:17] <bigcalm> That will always be Super Mario Bros
[16:17] <bigcalm> There's no escaping it
[16:18] <oimon1> too scared to install a debian package from debian though :(
[16:20] <oimon1> i only really bought the humble bundle for super M boy :\
[16:20]  * oimon1 is feeling sad cos he has man flu too
[16:22] <czajkowski> whoo the mothership has a lovely brown irish stew ready for me!
[16:22] <jpds> There's a mothership?
[16:23] <czajkowski> there is
[16:26] <jutnux> Stew :-(
[16:33] <oimon1> the other game i wanted Cogs crashes X too :(
[16:47] <s-fox> stew \o/
[16:52] <jutnux> stew :c
[16:53] <s-fox> Nobody like stew?
[16:53] <jutnux> No.
[16:53] <jutnux> It's just a mash of everything.
[16:54] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski, nice trip?
[16:54] <bigcalm> Stew rocks
[16:55] <s-fox> hi5 bigcalm
[16:55] <s-fox> o/
[16:56] <bigcalm> Heh
[17:05] <Azelphur> does anyone have a fix for minecraft sticky keys in 1.0?
[17:06] <Azelphur> updating LWGL seems to cause it to crash for me :(
[17:07] <bigcalm> It's been a bug since day 1
[17:07] <Azelphur> yea but there's been patches about for it
[17:08] <bigcalm> Oh
[17:09] <monster2323> does anyone feel the feed to install themselves into the internet?
[17:09] <Azelphur> ah there we go got it, the script I was using grabbed the latest LWGL which apparently minecraft isn't compatible with, 2.6 seems to let me in game, hopefully no more sticky keys
[17:13] <gord> saw a guy with an ubuntu top on at the shop, i'm not alone in this town!
[17:19] <bigcalm> gord: you don't feel so special any more?
[17:20] <gord> i always feel special
[17:20]  * popey feels gord's special
[17:21] <popey> also, here is a picture of the wing commander
[17:21] <popey> http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1646178816/tt0970179
[17:21] <popey> guy with the moustach
[17:21] <popey> +e
[17:23]  * daubers always imagined him with a tash a bit more like http://www.campbestival.net/media/Mr_B_the_Gentleman_Rhymer_3_1304773842.jpg
[17:44] <stevepdp> good evening folks
[17:47]  * daubers goes home
[17:52] <czajkowski> http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/148/media-148168/large.jpg  was waht I had in my head
[17:53] <czajkowski> ;c
[17:59] <gord> http://www.gametronik.com/site/rubriques/abandonware_simulation/Jeux/Wing%20Commander%20III%20-%20Heart%20of%20the%20Tiger%20%28fr%29/Scans/wing-commander-iii-cover-art.jpg - what i had in my head
[18:10] <s-fox> Goodbye.
[19:27] <zleap> hi ubuntubhoy
[19:28] <ubuntubhoy> ello
[19:28] <zleap> hows it going
[19:28] <ubuntubhoy> not so bad
[19:28] <ubuntubhoy> but my internet is down
[19:29] <ubuntubhoy> and my phone data connection is flaky
[19:29] <ubuntubhoy> so tethering may or may not last
[19:29] <zleap> ah
[19:30] <zleap> i just switched over to unity
[19:30] <zleap> on 11.04
[19:30] <ubuntubhoy> how you finding it ?
[19:30] <zleap> ok
[19:30] <zleap> i have also tried 12.04 so that has a big improvement
[19:31] <ubuntubhoy> I prefer Gnome Shell, but my wife and daughters prefer Unity
[19:31] <zleap> i like having easy access to common apps
[19:32] <zleap> i was using gnome but thought i have time so why not switch to unity and see how i get on,  not much major course work to get in the way
[19:32] <ubuntubhoy> I have on this install, and it works pretty well
[19:33] <ubuntubhoy> its a touchscreen though so I have it set to always show
[19:33] <ubuntubhoy> but its good for my fat fingers
[19:33] <zleap> i will look inot how to configure so it always shows
[19:36] <zleap> i am going to try and promote ubuntu locally a bit more given we are one of the most deprived areas of the country (torbay) or aparently we are
[19:37] <zleap> hi
[19:41] <stuphi> Anybody here running 12.04? I think I have found a bug in 11.10 and wondered if it was fixed.
[19:42] <AlanBell> stuphi: bug number?
[19:43] <stuphi> I have not submitted it. Not found anything after a quick search but wondered if it was worth raising a bug if it has already been fixed in the next version.
[19:44] <stuphi> If I open a terminal, and then use Ctrl+Alt+Num6, I then can't grab the edge to resize.
[19:46] <zleap> ctrl-alt-f6 opens a full screen console on here
[19:46] <zleap> f7 is the gui
[19:46] <zleap> well ctrl-alt-f7
[19:46] <stuphi> num pad 6
[19:47] <HazRPG> hey guys
[19:47] <stuphi> It may be intended to work like that. It is just chrome allows resize.
[19:47] <HazRPG> i seem to be having a bit of trouble with my sound on 11.04 (was on 10.10, but upgraded since people recommeneded that it would fix it) but so far no joy
[19:47] <zleap> ctrl-alt num keys seem to auto position the current active window
[19:48] <stuphi> Yep, but sometimes I want to fine adjust after.
[19:48] <zleap> i can resize from here on 11.04
[19:48] <stuphi> For terminal and files I can't, but chrome, I can
[19:49] <zleap> ctrl-alt-t
[19:49] <stuphi> That gives me a new terminal.
[19:50] <zleap> then doing ctrl-alt num keys resizes it right
[19:50] <zleap> and on 11.04 you can'ty then resize
[19:50] <stuphi> Yep. Now try and grab an edge
[19:50] <zleap> and on 11.10 you can'ty then resize
[19:50] <zleap> it works on 11.04
[19:50] <zleap> so i guess the bug may be in 11.10
[19:51] <stuphi> I was hoping to find somone with 12.04 so that I don't have to upgrade to see if it is fixed.
[19:51] <zleap> stuphi, try #ubuntu+1
[19:52] <zleap> as we may have narrowed it down to when the bug started 11.10
[19:52] <stuphi> Ok. Thanks.
[19:52] <zleap> np
[19:54] <zleap> i will see if my cd boots and have a go
[19:56] <stuphi> I am not alone! :-) bug 892368
[19:59] <AlanBell> stuphi: oh yeah, I have seen that happen
[20:00] <stuphi> AlanBell: Did you also see how to fix it? :-)
[20:01] <AlanBell> nope, just un-half-maximise it
[20:03] <HazRPG> anyone :(?
[20:03] <zleap> stuphi, got someone in #ubuntu+1 so tried to ask the same question
[20:04] <stuphi> zleap: My old nogin struggles to cope with multiple channels.
[20:05] <stuphi> It's like trying to listen to two people at once. Just can't do it.
[20:06] <zleap> ok
[20:07] <zleap> i am trying to ask, at the same time as booting on anoter pc
[20:08] <zleap> so keep needing to chance the cables around (1 monitor)
[20:08] <zleap> change
[20:09] <stuphi> zleap: Much apreciated. Don't bust a gut though.
[20:09] <zleap> its not a problem
[20:09] <zleap> 12,04 booting from cd is being a pain
[20:12] <AlanBell> stuphi: doesn't work in 12.04 either
[20:15] <zleap> AlanBell, so is that a bug then
[20:15] <AlanBell> it is bug 892368
[20:15] <zleap> ah
[20:17] <zleap> grrrr live cd isn't booting
[20:17] <zleap> and it worked the other day6
[20:28] <stuphi> AlanBell: Thanks.
[20:28] <stuphi> zleap: You have just reminded me. I promised an 11.10 CD for a friend. Must burn that now.
[20:29] <zleap> ah np
[20:29] <AlanBell> or, for the price of postage I can send an official CD if you like
[20:29] <zleap> I was just going to mention that
[20:29] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/
[20:29] <Azelphur> What's a decent FS for an SSD? Should I just use EXT4 or is there some magic bullet for free performance :P
[20:30] <AlanBell> Azelphur: someone pointed out that ext4 has some wear leveling optimisations in it for SSD
[20:30] <Azelphur> cool
[20:31] <Azelphur> hamitron: bitcoin price...is rising :o It's up to £2.50
[21:35] <jutnux> Bitcoins...
[21:35] <jutnux> Didn't LulzSec get nearly £1,000,000 from BitCoins?
[21:36] <jutnux> Oh
[21:36] <jutnux> Realised I'm an hour late.
[21:42] <dreamer_> exit
[21:42] <AlanBell> enter
[21:43] <daubers> hippo?
[21:50] <ali1234> jutnux: there's only $7M worth of bitcoins... so no
[21:52] <jutnux> Oh right.
[21:52] <jutnux> Might have been £100,000 then,
[21:52] <jutnux> They did get a lot though, I know that.
[21:53] <ali1234> even if they did, if they tried to sell them, it would crash the price
[22:11] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Gareth France] And now for something completely different& - http://cliftonts.co.uk/cubuntu/?p=28
[23:27] <paln> Hi guys
[23:28] <AlanBell> hi
[23:28] <paln> What you guys talking about?
[23:28] <AlanBell> it is quite a quiet night really, but anything ubuntuish and ukish is on topic
[23:29] <paln> ;D I haven't been on this channel in a looooooooong time
[23:29] <paln> not much has changed
[23:30] <AlanBell> must get round to redecorating it at some point
[23:30] <paln> :P
[23:30] <paln> Anyways, I have a question
[23:31] <paln> Do you think Lubuntu 11.10 would work on a system with a 1GHz CPU and 128MB RAM?
[23:31] <paln> I really need more RAM, I get that
[23:31] <AlanBell> ❄ ❅ ❆ snowflakes
[23:31] <paln> But for the meantime?
[23:31] <paln> hehe cool
[23:32] <AlanBell> yeah, you need more ram. Might install though
[23:32] <paln> Alright
[23:32] <AlanBell>  you could ask in #lubuntu
[23:33] <paln> What do you think the highest size module you could get of SDR ram would be?
[23:33] <paln> I've been looking round but all I can seem to find is up to 512mb
[23:34] <paln> It's a really old machine -- 11 years, 12 in February
[23:34] <AlanBell> wow, what is that thing?
[23:34] <paln> Runs windows ME
[23:35] <paln> :D laughing ecstatically
[23:35] <AlanBell> time for an upgrade perhaps, a little Atom motherboard would work just great and you can stick a few gig in that
[23:36] <paln> Can't be asked to waste money
[23:36] <paln> I've got a laptop
[23:36] <paln> And I'm using an iPod touch right now
[23:37]  * AlanBell looks in box of bits
[23:38] <paln> How do you do that?
[23:39] <AlanBell> I have a 128MB stick and a 512mb stick and an unlabled stick which looks a lot like the 512
[23:39] <paln> SDR ram?
[23:39] <AlanBell> PC133 stuff, I think it is SDR, has two notches in the base
[23:39] <paln> U have ram modules on you right now?
[23:39] <paln> Yep, that's ram
[23:39] <AlanBell> yeah I know it is ram :)
[23:40] <paln> I meant yep, that's SDR ram
[23:40] <paln> Coooooool
[23:40] <paln> I'm only 14 though
[23:40] <paln> So I wouldn't think someone would have RAM lying around?
[23:41] <zleap> i hate windows
[23:41] <AlanBell> http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ follow that procedure and put a note in it and I will send you an Ubuntu CD and the ram, you just pay the postage
[23:42] <paln> zleap: can't say the same myself, but it's a pain most of the time
[23:42] <zleap> just booted into windows, and it crashed,  rebooted and the system repair thing deleted files (or did something without asking)  and now it boots but won't get very far
[23:42] <bigcalm> paln: sign up to a local freecycle list and you will occasionally find some gems
[23:42] <zleap> well until i can get my printer working in ubuntu Iam stuck printing stuff using windows
[23:43] <paln> zleap: u got a recovery cd? What make is your machine?
[23:43] <AlanBell> or a LUG, loads of people have boxes of old stuff which they are happy to give to a good home
[23:43] <AlanBell> zleap: what printer?
[23:43] <paln> bigcalm: cool, will have to go to one sometime
[23:43] <zleap> brother mfc j615w
[23:43] <paln> AlanBell: thanks for the tip as well
[23:43] <zleap> i have found the right software on the brother site,  and can't get it to work
[23:44] <zleap> software centre says the deb files provided are bad
[23:44] <zleap> or have serious errors
[23:44] <paln> zleap: try opening them in gdebi-gtk
[23:44] <zleap> ok
[23:45] <zleap> i just need to copy a filter driver somewhere
[23:45] <paln> It resolved quite a few issues I've had with deb files in the past
[23:45] <paln> Btw I'm not new to Linux, but haven't really got into the community as such
[23:46] <AlanBell> zleap: seen https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+question/145783
[23:47] <bigcalm> paln: well done for making that 1st step by joining #ubuntu-uk :)
[23:48] <zleap> ok thanks
[23:48] <bigcalm> It's like gym membership - once you join, you can never leave
[23:48] <paln> bigcalm: I did about a year ago, but was never to return...
[23:48] <paln> That is, until now :D
[23:48] <AlanBell> night all o/
[23:48] <paln> AlanBell: see ya thanks for the help
[23:48] <bigcalm> Good night AlanBell :)
[23:49] <gordonjcp> I like the gym I go to ;-)
[23:50] <paln> gordonjcp: good to know
[23:50] <zleap> is there a commadn i can use to find out where myprinter is on the network
[23:51] <zleap> as in devices / ip addresses
[23:51] <paln> zleap: couldn't you use iwconfig ?
[23:52] <paln> lists all network interfaces
[23:52] <zleap> will ifconfig do that too
[23:53] <paln> not sure, maybe
[23:53] <paln> I'm not an expert
[23:53] <paln> just an enthusiast
[23:54] <zleap> same here
[23:54] <paln> bigcalm: where'd ya go?
[23:54] <paln> zleap: ;)
[23:54] <paln> zleap: how long you been using Linux?
[23:54] <zleap> the commands on the site i was given fail due to spefici directories not existing
[23:54] <zleap> properly a few years,  but stareted out way back with the 1.0.9 kernel
[23:55] <zleap> but that was just playing around with it
[23:55] <paln> zleap: whoa that's long
[23:55] <zleap> yeah
[23:55] <zleap> my main claimto fame is I amon the first page of the dclug archive
[23:55] <paln> I first started out with Ubuntu 10.04 to see what Linux was like
[23:55] <zleap> circa 1999
[23:55] <paln> zleap: yea I figured around 2000
[23:56] <zleap> yeah i ahve used slackware, redhat, suse,  caldera (briefly, as it failed to let me log in)
[23:56] <paln> zleap: lol I've never heard of Caldera...what's it based upon?
[23:56] <zleap> still got the first 2 issues of linux world somewhere,
[23:56] <zleap> not sure,  i will have to dig it out
[23:57] <zleap> also got a cd of debian 1.2
[23:57] <paln> my neighbours are American ad a couple years back they let two guys rent the place
[23:57] <paln> last week they came back from America do they guys who rented it had to move out
[23:58] <zleap> dunno i would have thought they would have to give some sort of notice
[23:58] <paln> before they left they left outside the house a bunch of Linux CDs and old ThinkPads and Lenovo pcs with the weird trackpads between the J and k keys :P
[23:59] <paln> I'm trying to find power adapters that wok with them so I can use the things
[23:59] <zleap> cool
[23:59] <zleap> the linux cd's may be useful