[01:26] <jrwren> anyone know how upstart works or where the docs are? becuase everything I find is absolutely poor.
[01:27] <rick_h__> jrwren: not really, I've got bookie running uwsgi processes via upstart
[01:27] <rick_h__> but it's just a sample config I grabbed and it worked
[01:27] <rick_h__> jrwren: http://paste.mitechie.com/show/481/
[01:28] <jrwren> so....
[01:28] <jrwren> where does upstart store it status ?
[01:28] <jrwren> becuase I say start... it doesn't bother to try to run start.
[01:28] <jrwren> it thinks it is already started, because of some stored status.
[01:28] <jrwren> no idea where that is stored.
[01:29] <jrwren> its not like the old init.d days where start would check if it already started and then say it is already started
[01:31] <rick_h__> http://upstart.at/2011/02/01/process-less-jobs/
[01:31] <rick_h__> "It’s well known and documented that the usual way to define a daemon or long-running process with Upstart is to use the exec stanza, so that Upstart knows the pid of the daemon, can supervise it when used with the respawn process and can send appropriate signals to its process group to stop it again."
[01:31] <rick_h__> ?
[01:32] <jrwren> so exec and respawn aren't working for me then.
[01:33] <jrwren> yeah, that is a great link if trying to wrap an rc.d style script.
[01:33] <rick_h__> jrwren: right, more meant that the first paragraph seems to imply it doesn't "store" state but monitors the pid of the exec'd command to tell if it's running/not
[01:34] <jrwren> let me start over. upstart isn't execing or respawning dbus. so I get no dbus on boot. How can I fix this?
[01:34] <rick_h__> second hand info and all that, but seems relevent to your original question
[01:34] <jrwren> yes, that is how I understood it too.. from the docs and second hand info, but its not what i am observing :(
[01:35] <rick_h__> jrwren: so there's a dbus upstart script in the /etc/init directory?
[01:36] <jrwren> yes
[01:36] <jrwren> dbus.conf
[01:36] <jrwren> is it supposed to start the system debus
[01:36] <jrwren> it doesn't :(
[01:36] <rick_h__> ok, so it's starting off a fake event it looks like.
[01:36] <rick_h__> so you'll have to chase that chain
[01:37] <jrwren> well, on "local-filesystem"
[01:37] <jrwren> you think that might not fire?
[01:37] <rick_h__> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/tutorials/7033/1
[01:37] <jrwren> interesting idea.
[01:37] <rick_h__> jrwren: right, so that's fired from another upstart event/script
[01:37] <rick_h__> which might not be run, etc
[01:37] <rick_h__> so that's from mountall.conf
[01:43] <jrwren> pretty sure that is happening.
[01:43] <jrwren> sure would help if console output actually worked!
[01:44] <rick_h__> heh
[01:44] <rick_h__> yea, sorry not sure. I've not had to chase any issues down there
[01:44] <rick_h__> the fact that it seemed based on some other event seemed interesting
[01:51] <jrwren> but the thing is.
[01:51] <jrwren> if i stop dbus, then start it, it starts.
[01:51] <jrwren> which REALLY makes me think upstart is storing state.
[01:51] <jrwren> even if it claims that it doesn't.
[01:51] <jrwren> i'm pretty convinced it does.
[01:51] <jrwren> it stores the state to know which events have happened to know what is running
[01:52] <jrwren> they try to hide it.
[01:52] <jrwren> but its a VERY leaky abstraction.
[01:52] <jrwren> which initcl
[01:55] <rick_h__> jrwren: well let me know if you find out, I'm curious now
[01:55] <snap-l> Good evening
[01:55] <jrwren> zomg, its a catch22!!!
[01:55] <jjesse> evening
[01:55] <jrwren> initctl connects to dbus to ask for process's status!!!
[01:55] <snap-l> just rolled back from MUG board meeting dinner
[01:56] <jjesse> was it a good dinner?
[01:56] <jjesse> i think it is still snowing outside, giant flakes
[01:56] <snap-l> Went to Gauchos
[01:56] <snap-l> it was very good, but extremely filling
[01:56] <snap-l> and not particularly vegan
[01:56] <jrwren> since when are you vegan?
[01:57] <snap-l> jrwren: I'm macrobiotic lacto-vegan
[01:57] <jrwren> since when?
[01:57] <snap-l> who also eats meat.
[01:57] <jjesse> a what?
[01:57] <jrwren> pfff.. rofl
[01:57] <jjesse> does macrobiotic mean you eat other vegans?
[01:58] <snap-l> I eat vegetarian when i want  to eat vegetarian
[01:58] <snap-l> jjesse: macrobiotic is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macrobiotic_diet
[02:00] <jrwren> oh wow, that is how I eat at least 80% of the time.
[02:00] <jrwren> i had no idea.
[02:00] <snap-l> jrwren: You live in Ann Arbor. Everyone eats like that
[02:00] <jrwren> not true at all.
[02:00] <snap-l> Fuckin' McDonalds is whole wheat
[02:00] <jrwren> most AA types eat like shit as far as I can tell.
[02:01] <jjesse> i think they kick you out of ann arbor if you don't :)
[02:01] <jrwren> but AA probably does have a higher percentage of folks like that.
[11:57] <rick_h__> morning
[12:40] <Wolfger> morning
[12:40] <Wolfger> Geez, you got an early start today...
[12:41] <rick_h__> yea, gym day
[12:43] <Wolfger> woot, woot
[12:43] <Wolfger> good for you
[12:43] <Wolfger> one of these days I'll get motivated again :-p
[12:45] <rick_h__> yea, not as often as I want, but damn that 5am alarm is hard to handle
[13:08] <Wolfger> The stupid, it burns.
[13:09] <Wolfger> Just looked at CNN headlines...
[13:09] <Wolfger> "Are you more likely to lie in a text?"
[13:09] <Wolfger> "Piers Morgan learns to 'Tebow'"
[13:10] <Wolfger> "Christmas with 'Octomom'"
[13:10] <Wolfger> somebody needs to die
[13:10] <rick_h__> lol
[13:10] <rick_h__> there's your problem. You're looking at news sites
[13:10] <rick_h__> I may not know wtf is going on, but so much happier since I blocked out the news
[13:18] <Wolfger> Yeah, I have definitely decided that "ignorance is bliss" is true far more often than false.
[14:17] <ColonelPanic001> Wolfger: I'm not happy enough for that to be true
[14:20] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001: Just think how much more miserable you'd be if you knew what was going on...
[14:21] <ColonelPanic001> probably true
[14:26] <Wolfger> Getting excited about xmas. Can't wait for my Kindle. Or for my wife to get her new laptop so I no longer hear her swearing at her old one...
[14:28] <ColonelPanic001> girlfriend gave me a Kindle Fire, and a couple days ago because she didn't want to wait. heh
[14:28] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: lol, you and snap-l with those early gift giving sig. others
[14:30] <brousch> i gave my wife her music gift early because she was moving a bunch of other music around
[14:30] <ColonelPanic001> My gf doesn't have hers yet because I don't plan nearly that far ahead.
[14:37] <Wolfger> ColonelPanic001: How do you like the Fire? I've heard not-good things about it in the major media. Glad I decided to ask for a Touch.
[14:38] <ColonelPanic001> I may not be as picky as others.
[14:38] <ColonelPanic001> I've only used it a little so far
[14:38] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:38] <ColonelPanic001> but i have no major complaints yet
[14:38] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: software update out today I saw that should help some
[14:38] <rick_h__> snap-l: morning
[14:38] <brousch> ColonelPanic001: you use kde. you are used to things not working exactly right ;)
[14:38] <ColonelPanic001> Shush, you. >:-|
[14:43] <Wolfger> brousch--
[14:43] <rick_h__> ouch
[14:43] <rick_h__> kde flamebait
[14:43] <Wolfger> Using KDE means we're used to being able to make things do exactly what we want them to do. :-p
[14:44] <Wolfger> ...just as soon as we find the right config option
[14:44] <rick_h__> psh, that's only true if you've commited a new config setting patch to a kde app
[14:44] <rick_h__> otherwise, you're just using it how others want you to :P
[14:46] <brousch> i'm getting bit by this damn bug http://askubuntu.com/questions/75657/struggles-to-connect-to-network-when-using-wpa-with-a-bcm43225
[14:48] <brousch> i had that on my main laptop with 11.04, part of the reason i dropped back to 10.04 then
[14:49] <Wolfger> There doesn't seem to be any clear line of demarcation between what is a question for AskUbuntu and what is a bug for Launchpad...
[14:49] <Wolfger> Which I think is a very bad thing.
[14:53] <brousch> well the askubuntu links to more info, including the bug on launchpad
[16:08] <krondor> rick_h__:  did you get your nexus?
[16:09] <rick_h__> krondor: yep :)
[16:09] <rick_h__> few of us got one. Official android of the channel perhaps heh
[16:09] <krondor> no doubt, how is it?  No problems?
[16:10] <rick_h__> it's got some + and some -
[16:10] <rick_h__> picked up my dinc today and can't believe I lived on that screen
[16:10] <rick_h__> speed, browser, ICS is nice
[16:11] <rick_h__> battery, bottom headphone port yuck
[16:11] <krondor> that's an odd choice
[16:11] <rick_h__> love the larger screen for email and google reader browsing
[16:11] <rick_h__> I really need the extended battery and a nice desk dock, but they're not really available
[16:12] <rick_h__> camera is a can of meh as well
[16:12] <rick_h__> it's very fast at taking blurry out of focus pictures so far
[16:12] <krondor> really?  I've heard most of the reviews loving the camera (well at least the fast shutter)
[16:12] <rick_h__> so it seems if you just hit the camera button it doesn't focus first
[16:12] <rick_h__> so you have to click to focus, wait for that and then snap
[16:13] <rick_h__> but *any* hand movement and it's back to ugh
[16:13] <rick_h__> tried an hdr app that's nice for still things
[16:13] <rick_h__> pictures look much better, but needs three shots
[16:13] <rick_h__> so doesn't work for the boy on his birthday for instance
[16:13] <rick_h__> come out to CHC, you can play with it some if you want
[16:13] <krondor> kids don't seem to work with any phone camera in my experience, they just keep moving.
[16:14] <rick_h__> Blazeix: your camera experience any better?
[16:14] <rick_h__> yea, but that's a big use case for me I guess
[16:14] <rick_h__> hell, it's 99% use case for me and a camera phone
[16:14] <krondor> I can't tonight, Emily has her boards exam, I need to make it to the next one though.  I have some stuff I'm playing with and I can bring the hacked fire for show/tell
[16:14] <rick_h__> nice
[16:14] <rick_h__> but yea, overall liking the upgrade a lot
[16:15] <krondor> and the working gps ;)
[16:15] <rick_h__> wasn't sure on the larger phone, but browsing, youtube, email, much much niver
[16:15] <rick_h__> nicer*
[16:15] <rick_h__> lol, gps is good
[16:15] <rick_h__> one of those things I don't use much though, especially with the battery life
[16:19] <krondor> that's because you need this still for daily gps; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w7TgFmP74I&feature=player_embedded
[16:20] <krondor> I guess the one vzw is selling is a cheap dock, the EU dock is awesome so people are importing it
[16:20] <rick_h__> the problem is that they don't use the touch contacts for the car mode
[16:20] <rick_h__> yea, the docks right now suck
[16:20] <krondor> yeah the one in the video has the contacts for car mode and usb/audio pass through
[16:20] <rick_h__> ooh, that one is nice. Plugs into the dock vs the phone
[16:21] <rick_h__> hmm, wonder if it'd fit the LTE version with an extended battery
[16:22] <rick_h__> still on pre-order *sigh*
[16:34] <brousch> bah, this is discouraging http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11401714&postcount=4
[16:41] <greg-g> what? something from Ubuntu Forums is discouraging? Say it ain't so!
[16:42] <ColonelPanic001> anyone know why moonlight appears to have been in the repo for oneiric, and now it's gone?
[16:43] <rick_h__> moved to universe/multiverse?
[16:44] <brousch> moved to diaf?
[16:45] <_stink_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moon/+bug/890167
[16:45] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: --^
[16:46] <ColonelPanic001> thanks
[16:46] <ColonelPanic001> I'll have to subscribe
[16:49] <greg-g> that _stink_ always good at the googles
[16:50] <_stink_> what's google?  i just typed in random urls until i found something.
[16:50] <_stink_> ColonelPanic001: also, maybe ask in #ubuntu-motu - from http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/moonlight-plugin-mozilla it looks like that MOTU team officially maintained the natty package.
[17:18] <rick_h__> oh yay! http://techcrunch.com/2011/12/21/steve-jobs-memorial-statue-unveiled-in-budapest
[17:18] <rick_h__> jcastro: road trip!
[17:19] <_stink_> hah
[17:20] <rick_h__> krondor: oh yea, and the lack of a hardware "menu" button to hold down to show/hide the keyboard is driving me batty!
[17:22] <jcastro> I miss the dedicated search button
[17:22] <jcastro> why would they remove that
[17:23] <rick_h__> I didn't use that much I guess. I tend to go the to app I want vs search
[17:23] <jcastro> rick_h__: what'ts your issue with the battery and headphone jack?
[17:23] <rick_h__> jcastro: so battery is battery life. I can't make it a full day of use
[17:23] <jcastro> oh
[17:23] <rick_h__> plugging it in at the desk is a pain since the port is on the bottom
[17:23] <jcastro> LTE?
[17:23] <rick_h__> your phone is upside down on your desk
[17:23] <rick_h__> and it won't rotate upside down, only the other three directions
[17:23] <jcastro> oh
[17:24] <rick_h__> jcastro: yea, but it's been turned off since I got it home
[17:24] <jcastro> so you basically need the sideways thing
[17:24] <rick_h__> just seems I use it a lot
[17:24] <jcastro> which I need too
[17:24] <rick_h__> jcastro: yea, for my desk, but can't find them yet here state side
[17:24] <jcastro> my battery has been pretty amazing for an android
[17:24] <jcastro> which doesn't say much
[17:24] <jcastro> but it's not that bad
[17:24] <jcastro> I can go a day easy
[17:24] <rick_h__> I had that double battery on my incredible
[17:24] <jcastro> ahhh
[17:24] <rick_h__> forget thick, but I could beat on that thing with open irc all day
[17:24] <jcastro> they make an official huge one for yours
[17:25] <rick_h__> yea, but it's only 250ma more, not 2x
[17:25] <rick_h__> and I can't find it yet
[17:25] <jcastro> oh lame
[17:25] <rick_h__> not on the verizon site and such
[17:25] <jcastro> I can't find the dock for mine either, I guess I'm waiting
[17:25] <rick_h__> yea, exactly
[17:25] <jcastro> I might have a coworker pick one up
[17:25] <rick_h__> but yea, the headphone port on the bottom means I end up flipping the thing around too much
[17:25] <rick_h__> plugged it into my desk speakers, upside down phone.
[17:26] <jcastro> oh I see
[17:26] <jcastro> is it your music player?
[17:26] <rick_h__> it's not *horrible* but it's a little off
[17:26] <rick_h__> yea, 100%
[17:26] <jcastro> yeah so I realized this
[17:26] <jcastro> because I want to do this with my transformer
[17:26] <jcastro> we need an android app that can zeroconf
[17:27] <jcastro> so we can use the phone and stuff to do music
[17:27] <jcastro> but it outputs to zeroconf to your PC
[17:27] <rick_h__> hmmm, maybe
[17:27] <jcastro> basically pulseaudio output for android
[17:28] <rick_h__> airplay stuff?
[17:28] <jcastro> just normal zeroconf
[17:28] <jcastro> you can do it linux to linux easily
[17:28] <jcastro> for like, the past 5 years at least
[17:28] <jcastro> we used to do it at OU
[17:28] <rick_h__> gotcha, yea I don't use it much at all
[17:28] <jcastro> one PC with nice speakers, everyone else in the office just DJs and the music comes out of one place.
[17:28] <rick_h__> zeroconf IM/bzr hosting was really the extend
[17:28] <jcastro> using their local players
[17:29] <rick_h__> yea, I just went cloud on my music and my phone is the master of it all
[17:29] <rick_h__> have a series of speakers around the house I plug into as aux input
[17:29] <jcastro> right
[17:29] <rick_h__> desk speakers, portable speakers, grace audio player upstairs, another radio in my workshop
[17:33] <rick_h__> jcastro: let me know if you get a dock.
[17:33] <jcastro> as soon as I can buy one
[17:34] <rick_h__> yea, just mean let me know when you find one you can get. I spent some time this weekend searching around for that and the extended battery with no luck
[17:35] <snap-l> bello world
[17:35] <rick_h__> bellow!!!
[17:35] <snap-l> sitti g at dave and busters
[17:35] <snap-l> irc over ssh
[17:35] <rick_h__> you suck...that is all
[17:35] <snap-l> beh
[17:36] <snap-l> fucking iphone
[17:36] <Wolfger> snap-l: sitti g? I never heard of that band
[17:36] <_stink_> lulz
[17:36] <snap-l> sitti g rulez
[17:36] <Wolfger> Sounds like rap
[17:37] <snap-l> not to be confused with sitti ng
[17:37] <snap-l> the next generation of sitti
[17:37] <_stink_> sitti g is ali g's sister
[17:38] <snap-l> feh
[17:38] <krondor> so there's CM9s killer feature for rick_h__ 360 degree screen rotation
[17:39] <rick_h__> krondor: yea, definitely thought of that today
[17:39] <krondor> dave and buster's!  wednesday is double play tokens right?  I think I'm going next week.
[17:39] <rick_h__> especially with the soft buttons, even better. They can rotate with me
[17:52] <brousch> someone here was asking for that audio server for android thing too
[17:53] <brousch> rick_h_: can't you make a dock in your workshop?
[17:53] <brousch> Rick's Classy Wood Docks
[17:53] <rick_h__> brousch: :P
[17:53] <brousch> what? i'm serious
[17:55] <krondor> brousch++ that
[17:56] <greg-g> I smell a loco-wide christmas present idea!!
[17:56] <greg-g> "You get a.... Rick's Classy Wood Dock! And you! And you! And you! And you!"
[17:56] <brousch> does the detroit hackerspace have those 3D printer things?
[17:56] <greg-g> I would sure hope so
[17:57] <greg-g> if they didn't, they must return their hackerspace name
[17:57] <brousch> i don't think the geek group has them
[17:57] <brousch> they have really big lathes and such
[17:57] <rick_h__> yea, they're pricey
[17:58] <brousch> rep-rap
[17:59] <rick_h__> vim :TOhtml ftw!
[17:59] <greg-g> the rep rap is pricey? Only if you buy it pre-made!
[18:04] <krondor> brousch:  i3Detroit has a makerbot and I think a rep-rap too
[18:05] <brousch> well start pumping out the nexus docks and sell them!
[18:05] <krondor> whether both are functional lol is always the question
[18:05] <greg-g> haha
[18:11] <brousch> but if they break, you just print up a replacement part
[18:11] <brousch> wait a minute, if the printer is broken you can't print a replacement part
[18:11] <rick_h__> a nice walnut dock would be sweet, but I like the idea of the dock with the built in audio/charge pass through like that car dock krondor linked
[18:12] <brousch> glue in some cables
[18:22] <brousch> rick_h__: what cloud are using for music?
[18:23] <rick_h__> brousch: amazon
[18:23] <rick_h__> that and pandora
[18:23] <rick_h__> since things like roku/grace audio player support my pandora stations
[18:24] <brousch> amazon cloud player via a web browser?
[18:26] <brousch> google music has been annoying me by not syncing all my .flac
[18:26] <rick_h__> brousch: I do some, but often via my phone
[18:27] <rick_h__> the other thing I do a ton of is audible listening and can't do that on anything but my phone since there's no audible client for linux
[18:27] <rick_h__> and it doesn't whispersync so don't want to listen in mulitple places anyway
[18:28] <brousch> i can't do audiobooks. i have too manypodcasts already
[18:28] <rick_h__> I dropped podcasts, only a couple a week
[18:28] <rick_h__> but I've been doing 3-5 books a month this year
[18:29] <rick_h__> 39 books going back to last Nov it looks like
[18:29] <brousch> all of the python/django podcasts died
[18:29] <rick_h__> but 4 of those are kids books I got recently
[18:29] <rick_h__> yea, I thought I saw an episode of the new python one last month
[18:30] <brousch> there was one episode of a new one, but it hasn't done anything else
[18:30] <brousch> had interviews with guido and the gang
[18:31] <rick_h__> yea, thought they had 3 or 4 episodes
[18:32] <rick_h__> but the audio book stuff is 90% *fun*
[18:32] <brousch> python is fun!
[18:32] <rick_h__> I got to where I read technicaly stuff on the kindle and moved all the fiction to audio
[18:32] <rick_h__> works nice since I can do audio books while cleaning the kitchen, vacuuming, etc
[18:33] <brousch> that's like 10 minutes
[18:33] <brousch> amazon cloud drive rejected my flac
[18:33] <rick_h__> meh, commute time, cleaning time, shower time (via speaker), workout time.
[18:34] <rick_h__> like I said, I manage to find 10ish hours a week i'd guess
[18:34] <rick_h__> brousch: yea, not sure if it supports that
[18:36] <brousch> looks like it took the second one
[18:37] <brousch> is there a file size limit?
[18:37] <rick_h__> no idea, I've only uploaded a few albums of mp3
[18:37] <rick_h__> mostly I just buy stuff/stream from them
[18:53] <krondor> brousch:  I noticed that about google music, any idea why it seems to like some flac and not others?
[18:54] <brousch> i think i found an answer a while ago but forgot it
[18:55] <krondor> I hear ubuntuone is quite slick on android, but I'm cheap and haven't paid yet.
[18:57] <rick_h__> yea, I keep meaning to give it a shot
[18:57] <rick_h__> but I'm awful at getting something working and then holding still
[19:02] <brousch> $4/mo is hard to justify when google music is free
[19:02] <brousch> and amazon is < $2/mo
[19:03] <rick_h__> yea, now that they have streaming of songs I need to see if it can replace pandora for me
[19:03] <rick_h__> if so, then that saves me a couple of $ a mon
[19:06] <brousch> amazon streaming or u1?
[19:08] <rick_h__> U1
[19:09] <rick_h__> snap-l: http://glyphobet.net/store/dice/ last minute stocking stuffers
[19:12] <brousch> my problems would probably go away if i'd re-encode my flac to mp3
[19:14] <krondor> but that sucks, you have songs twice or you have lower quality.
[19:15] <krondor> I wonder if the uploaders for these services would work fine against mp3fs on fuse
[19:34] <brousch> amazon took my flac uploads, but doesn't see them as music
[19:35] <brousch> google music refuses to upload about 5% of my flac
[19:37] <brousch> maybe u1 is worth $4/mo
[19:41] <brousch> fail
[19:42] <brousch> submit credit card ->  Internal Server Error
[19:42] <krondor> damnit now I'm all curious so I know what I'm doing when I'm home.. testing flac/sync
[19:43] <brousch> krondor: it seems random. it misses files on the same album, which means they were generated with the same settings and tags
[19:47] <brousch> ok, credit card worked the second time. if i get billed twice rick_h_ gets his legs broken because he's my closest canonical rep
[19:49] <Wolfger> *sigh*  Two years, and this is not yet done... https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=217950
[19:52] <rick_h__> oh lovely, glad to be of assistance brousch
[19:53] <brousch> doesn't it feel good to be working for the man?
[19:53] <rick_h__> heh, definitely
[19:55] <Wolfger> Oh, right, rick_h__ works for Canonical now. Somebody else I can bitch to about Kubuntu being a blue-headed step-child. :-)
[19:56] <brousch> wait the streaming plan is separate from the music plan?
[19:57] <brousch> oh wait, now it showed up
[20:02] <brousch> and now i experience ubuntuone's legendary upload speed
[20:04] <Wolfger> heh
[20:07] <brousch> this could use some updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/MusicStore
[20:12] <brousch> hmmmm https://one.ubuntu.com/help/faq/what-audio-formats-are-supported/
[20:12] <brousch> mp3 aac and ogg
[20:12] <brousch> so syncing my flac is futile
[20:13] <brousch> so are all of these services fail or am i unreasonable?
[20:31] <krondor> so Google Music is the only service that actually will sync flac?  Just not well.
[20:31] <brousch> right
[20:31] <brousch> i give up
[20:32] <krondor> you'd think U1 would flac being an open codec
[20:32] <brousch> re-encoding my flac to 320kbps mp3
[20:38] <brousch> amazon is the least useful since it doesn't sync files
[20:38] <brousch> google syncs for free
[20:40] <brousch> u1 streams at the bitrate of your files, google adjusts based on your internet speed
[20:41] <brousch> google's approach makes more sense to me
[20:49] <brousch> i should blog this
[20:57] <greg-g> brousch: "Thinking about getting that special geek of yours a subscription to a music streaming service, PLZ READ THIS FIRST!"
[20:58] <brousch> heh
[21:22] <snap-l> rick_h__: Math dice?
[21:23] <snap-l> I <3 my old job
[21:24] <snap-l> they're trying to get me to work the last two days of the year since someone won't be able to cover for me.
[21:24] <snap-l> Half-tempted to say "figure it out", and half-tempted to say "sure, I could use the money over the vacation days".
[21:28] <_stink_> when have you/will you have officially left?
[21:29] <snap-l> 1/1/2012
[21:30] <snap-l> but I have Vacation time to burn
[21:30] <snap-l> Ah well, I have some time to think about it
[21:30] <snap-l> I'm on vacation today. Shouldn't even be reading work e-mail. :)
[21:30] <_stink_> hehe
[21:33] <brousch> wonderful. all of my music is syncing to U1 as unknown artist, unknown album. only the track name survives
[21:55] <rick_h__> snap-l: don't think the wife would like it?
[23:37] <snap-l> rick_h__: Not sure
[23:37] <snap-l> brousch: Frankly, I didn't have good luck with U1 music on my iPhone
[23:38] <snap-l> I didn't see why paying $5 per month for the privilege of getting one song to play per session
[23:40] <brousch> it is not impressing me
[23:41] <snap-l> Yeah, same here
[23:41] <brousch> i think google music is the best
[23:43] <brousch> and i'm back on kde. i got tired of having to hibernate because suspend is broken