[08:39] <ochosi> knome: what do you think of this replacement for the current xfwm4-icon (in settings-manager): http://imagebin.org/189667
[11:37] <knome> ochosi, i'm not sure. is the window shaded?
[12:59] <ochosi> knome: well kinda. i wanted to focus on the decoration, i think any window content would make the icon less clear
[13:09] <knome> i suppose, but what about just grey block?
[13:11] <knome> anybody testing 12.04 available?
[13:11] <ochosi> hm, i can try, but i think it might look odd
[13:11] <knome> maybe
[13:11] <knome> or then just remove the BG-image
[13:11] <knome> just draw the window :)
[13:11] <knome> (== replace BG-image with grey)
[13:12] <ochosi> looks empty: http://imagebin.org/189701
[13:13] <knome> don't use white, use grey
[13:13] <knome> also, what does that look in context?
[13:13] <knome> isn't that what matters most :)
[13:14] <ochosi> grey: http://imagebin.org/189702
[13:14] <knome> mmmh. maybe little lighter
[13:14] <knome> but i think that's okayish
[13:15] <knome> you could add some "text" in it like the notification icon
[13:15] <knome> or textboxes
[13:15] <knome> something very subtle
[13:15] <knome> i can draw that too if you want
[13:17] <ochosi> in context: http://imagebin.org/189703
[13:17] <ochosi> (and brighter grey)
[13:17] <ochosi> yeah, if you could that'd be nice
[13:17] <ochosi> i'm not sure i have a good idea of what you would wanna do
[13:17] <knome> oki, just a sec, i'll fix the meeting agenda first
[13:17] <ochosi> another option is to show more than one window
[13:17] <ochosi> a bit like in sessions and startup
[13:18] <ochosi> or just two windows stacked on top of each other
[13:18] <ochosi> i think the wm-tweaks should then also be changed accordingly
[13:18] <ochosi> i like the wand-metaphor though
[13:19] <knome> mmh
[13:19] <knome> i think the xfwm part in that icon looks a bit big
[13:20] <ochosi> you mean the close,max,min buttons?
[13:20] <ochosi> or the window-border as a whole
[13:22] <knome> as whole
[13:22] <knome> let me start a *cough* image editor
[13:24] <knome> what's the image size again?
[13:24] <ochosi> 48px
[13:24] <knome> oki
[13:24] <ochosi> do you want the svg?
[13:24] <knome> nope
[13:24] <knome> going pixel-editing
[13:36] <knome> ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_icons/win_man.jpg
[13:36] <knome> textboxes could be more sublte
[13:36] <knome> *subtle
[14:11] <ochosi> mm, doesn't look half-bad
[14:12] <ochosi> i think subtler textboxes would be better
[14:12] <ochosi> window-content shouldn't stand out too much
[14:25] <knome> yup
[14:26] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_icons/win_man-2.jpg
[14:27] <ochosi> hm, i'm thinking whether an "ok" button in the bottom-right corner would look good
[14:27] <ochosi> i mean in general it's already nice
[14:27] <knome> heh
[14:28] <ochosi> maybe "cancel" and "apply" (without the text, just empty buttons)
[14:29] <knome> http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_icons/win_man-3.jpg
[14:31] <ochosi> is it my poor eyes or is the left one a tad smaller? :)
[14:31] <ochosi> i think i like that
[14:35] <knome> yup, they're the same size :P
[14:37] <ochosi> k, do you wanna keep it a png or vectorize it?
[14:38] <knome> might be hard to vectorize
[14:38] <knome> not sure if it's worth it
[14:38] <ochosi> mhm, we'll have to check whether svg and png work alongside in the icon-theme