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CIA-48[qapt] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20111222014017-vpqtz738rr9g5nve * debian/ (4 files) New upstream alpha release01:40
JontheEchidna(just syncing bzr with the archive)01:42
* ScottK waves to JontheEchidna.02:27
JontheEchidnao/02:27
ScottKJontheEchidna: How is backports NotAutomatic looking for Muon this cycle?02:49
ScottKIt looks like it's kind of getting to be a big deal.02:49
JontheEchidnaoh?02:51
JontheEchidnaAt any rate, it should just be a matter of sticking an extra update category into the new updater, showing updates in -backports02:54
JontheEchidnahttp://i.imgur.com/emKYZ.png02:55
JontheEchidnaThat's exactly what the Security Updates section is, in fact02:55
ScottKIIRC we discussed it at the last UDS I was at and you said next time ...02:56
JontheEchidnayeah. It should be a 10 minute job now02:57
ScottKCool.02:58
JontheEchidnaI'm off from everything (school, work) next week. I'll probably do it then02:58
ScottKGreat.03:02
bambeeScottK: hi, the splashscreen written in QML is not installed by default with kde 4.7.90 ?08:46
jussiso, I have, for a limited time, an N950 :D10:07
debfxlibkatepartinterfaces4 broke its API. can we just merge the package into katepart?11:44
debfxthe only rdeps are katepart and kate-dev and there don't seem to be any public header files for katepartinterfaces.11:45
ScottKbambee: Dunno. Maybe Riddell does.  I've been focusing on 4.7.11:47
bambeemhhh ok, apparently "ksplashqml" is present in kde-workspace-bin.install but not installed... I will fix it11:48
Riddellbambee: how can it be present in a .install file but not installed?12:23
Riddellit is installed on my computer12:23
Riddelldebfx: hmm did I miss an ABI change?12:24
debfxRiddell: it doesn't have any public header files so I've just removed the .so symlink from kate-dev12:27
debfxwe should just kill kate-dev until we have at least one package that uses it12:28
Riddellyeah12:28
bambeeRiddell: I've no ideas, actually "egrep ksplashqml *.install" displays "kde-workspace-bin.install:usr/bin/ksplashqml"  --> however "dpkg -L kde-workspace-bin | grep ksplashqml" is empty   :\12:43
bambeeand ksplashthememgr only shows me ksplashx and ksplash_simple... 12:45
bambeewell... problem solved xD12:50
bambeein fact, I've an half kde-4.7.90 and my local version of kde-workspace-bin is 4.7.3 o.O12:52
bambeethat makes sense now...12:52
Riddellbambee: dist-upgrade :)13:14
bambeealready done ;)13:14
debfxRiddell: lintian says libkwineffects1abi2-gles: empty-binary-package13:45
Riddelldebfx: hmm14:06
Riddellit's ment to be14:08
Riddellbut the description should change then14:09
debfxwhy not just remove it?14:10
ScottKdebfx: Would you mind takin a look at the armel build failure for kiten?14:14
debfxcan do14:16
ScottKThanks.14:16
debfxretry should fix it14:17
ScottKdebfx: Thanks for looking.14:20
ScottKAny interest in kdeplasma-addons?  There's an actual bug in the code there.14:20
ScottKBetween that and if agateau would make an appearance we should be "there".14:21
ryanakcaCould someone with the required superpowers please confirm bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/bangarang/+bug/90778214:28
ubottuUbuntu bug 907782 in bangarang (Ubuntu) "Sync bangarang 2.1-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,New]14:28
ScottKI'll look at it.14:32
Riddellryanakca: done14:33
ryanakcaScottK: Thanks14:33
ScottKNevermind.14:33
ScottKRiddell is faster.14:33
ryanakcaRiddell: Thanks14:33
debfxsyncpackage can now properly handle attribution14:34
RiddellScottK: I think agateau must be away until next year, we'll need to fix gwenview ourselves14:35
ScottKLovely.14:35
Riddellhmm I've given amarok 2:2.5.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1 in backports ppa14:36
Riddellmaybe I'm just getting used to ~precise backports which will need ~ppa before it :)14:37
ScottKHmmmm.14:40
ScottKhttps://launchpadlibrarian.net/88036532/buildlog_ubuntu-precise-armel.kturtle_4%3A4.7.90-0ubuntu1_BUILDING.txt.gz has the same 'error' as gwenview, but no failure.14:41
Riddellanyone tested amarok in oneiric?14:43
RiddellScottK: which error?14:45
ScottK/usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qmap.h:180:83: warning: cast from 'char*' to 'QMap<QString, QString>::Node* {aka QMapNode<QString, QString>*}' increases required alignment of target type [-Wcast-align]14:45
debfxScottK: "error: no matching function for call to 'qMax(qreal, double)'" etc. are the real errors in gwenview14:46
ScottKdebfx: Thanks.14:46
ScottKThat I can probably fix.14:46
ScottKparallel build logs are hard.14:47
Riddellwe need to change gcc to make something grep-able when it errors, "error" is far too common in build logs14:47
ScottKYeah.14:48
ScottKThat would help a lot.14:48
Riddell-printf("error") +printf("I'm being fussy") that's my patch :)14:49
ScottKFor which?14:54
ScottKOh, for gcc?14:54
who_mewhat should one do to test amarok 2.5 ? :)14:56
Riddellwho_me: sudo apt-add-ppa ppa:kubuntu-ppa/backports14:59
Riddellsudo apt-get install amarok14:59
Riddellquit old, run it, check it does everything14:59
who_meapt-add-repository (me being cheeky :P )15:00
who_mehmm the way it handles streams is still broken if those happen to be in the playlist :/15:03
Riddelldoesn't sound like a regression thought15:06
Riddelltohugh15:06
Riddellgur15:06
who_menope15:06
Riddellwho_me: all good otherwise?15:07
who_megoing to download some music off my externall hdd to see how it handels those15:08
who_meI really need a typo assist :)15:08
Riddellmm, me too15:09
* ScottK stares at the gwenview testbuild slowly unfolding on the arm box.15:10
Riddellhttp://www.kubuntu.org/news/plasma-and-kde-applications-beta-testing15:14
who_mehmm built lists just fine, it seems ok15:15
who_mecan't test the amazon shop because I'm do not live in any of the listed countries15:15
ScottKFortunately 4.7.95 is released now so you don't have to worry about runing out of things to do.15:15
Riddellhttps://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/amarok-25-backports-ppa15:16
Riddellhttp://kubuntu.org/news/amarok-25-backports-ppa15:16
RiddellScottK: released too, they don't give packagers much time with that15:16
ScottKAgreed.15:17
ScottKThere's a new tarball for ksecretservice too.15:17
RiddellI think it's part of what was kdeutils now15:17
Riddelldon't know how it manages any kwallet upgrade15:18
ScottKI didn't look at the tarballs, but I thought from Dirk's mails on packager is was separate.15:18
Riddellor how it interacts with gnome which is the whole point15:18
ScottKIt's also my impression that it doesn't yet do anything by default.15:18
ScottK(or perhaps at all - seems there are still some missing bits)15:18
Riddellkdelibs doesn't load it as I read those e-mails15:19
ScottKYeah.15:21
who_mehmm will start beta testing 4.8 after the holidays... 15:23
Riddellhttp://amarok.kde.org/wiki/MP3:Kubuntu needs some tidying up too but I don't think I have the energy alas15:52
ScottKGwenview fix uploaded.16:11
Riddellthanks ScottK 16:19
ScottKRiddell (or anyone else with KDE git access): Would you please commit http://paste.debian.net/149953/ to gwenview trunk and 4.8 branch?16:44
Riddellhmm, I wonder if I can remember how16:56
ScottKdebfx: Did you get a chance to dig into kdeplasma-addons?  AFAICT that's the last bit that needs fixing to get 4.7.90 complete.16:58
=== yofel_ is now known as yofel
yofelRiddell: as I understood it you can use ksecretservice if you build kdelibs, then kss, then rebuild kdelibs with kss17:00
Riddellthat seems circular17:02
ScottKIt is.17:02
ScottKAaron even mentioned on some mail list post he thought that was bad.17:03
Riddellnice the thought should occur to him :)17:03
yofeland dirk wondered if it can be included in experimental instead - although we don't seem to have an answer for that yet17:03
ScottKftpubuntu@ftpmaster:~/unstable/4.7.95/src/ksecrets-4.7.95.tar.bz2  suggests we do have an answer, at least for now.17:09
RiddellScottK: is that the libs bit or the kdeutils bit?17:10
ScottKNot sure.17:10
yofelshouldn't it be both?17:10
who_meguys, seeing that kde just released an RC is there much point in loading the beta2 packages in the ppa? There is a high chance that some of the bugs we run into have already been reported and being worked on...17:20
who_meor *most* of the bugs in beta 217:20
Riddellthat's quite likely yes17:21
ScottKOTOH, it'd be nice to know our packaging works.17:34
who_meok then, I shall see if  kde comes up after the upgrade :D17:37
who_meso far, so good :)17:51
debfxScottK: will have a look now18:17
ScottKdebfx: Thanks.18:17
ScottKSo, I guess next release we get to decide between Canonical's Ubuntu font or KDE's Oxygen font.  Fun.  http://code.newtypography.co.uk/?p=190618:36
macoi like the descenders, but the y is really unbalanced18:42
u2sanseems to me precise kubuntu testing is closed to general users?18:45
yofelu2san: no, what's the problem?18:45
u2sanwell.. why waste time on 4.7.90 when 4.7.95 is out?18:46
RiddellScottK: hmm, without testing the oxygen one I suspect the ubuntu one will be higher quality and more distinctive18:46
Riddellu2san: to test our packaging18:47
ScottKRiddell: Perhaps.  In line with the Kubuntu general values, I'd think we should use the upstream one unless it turns out the Ubuntu one is significantly better.  We'll see.18:48
RiddellScottK: yes but I suspect on most issues the ubuntu one will be better.  I've an open mind on it but the Ubuntu one has had a lot of time spent on it and I don't see how the Oxygen one could compete18:50
ScottKI'm happy to wait and see the result.18:51
u2sanRiddell, yofel ok.. 18:52
RiddellI wonder if they realise how hard work it is to make a good font.  maybe they do18:52
ScottKHe didn't make any announcements about when it would be released, so maybe he does.18:52
who_meis there any oxygen-gtk3 theming package that needs testing ? :)18:54
debfxScottK: can't test plasma-addons because workspace hasn't been built on armel yet19:01
ScottKGood point.19:01
ScottKI guess we're ready then ...19:01
Riddellryanakca: did you reply to the Kubuntu Website Appearance thread?19:10
Riddelloh yes, now I see it19:11
ryanakcaRiddell: Yep ;)19:33
ryanakcaRiddell: Feel free to expand if I missed anything.19:33
_Groo_hi/2 all20:50
_Groo_is the ksecretservice available in the ppa builds?20:50
_Groo_for kde 4.7.90?20:51
yofelnope, there was no tar until 4.7.9520:51
_Groo_ahhh right20:52
_Groo_rc1 was released today :D20:52
_Groo_i was confusing it for 4.7.90 ^^20:52
_Groo_ok, that explains it :D20:52
yofellike half of the world I guess...20:53
_Groo_whos the poor shmuck whos doing 4.7.95 packages?20:53
ScottKAFAIK Riddell.20:53
_Groo_cookies to Riddell20:53
_Groo_i might be able to help this weekend if hes not finished by then20:54
_Groo_4.8 is amazing, everything is quite solid20:54
ScottKSounds like time for a complete refactor then.20:55
ScottKFortunately KDE is doing that.20:55
_Groo_ScottK: what do you mean?20:57
ScottKNow that it's all working nice they decided to go redo kdelibs and stuff.20:57
_Groo_ScottK: thats the open source way :D if its not broken remake it :D20:58
yofel...20:58
yofelworst thing is that I have no argument against that -.-20:58
_Groo_brb20:59
ScottKAnd do stuff like not allow features into kdelibs for 4.8 so stuff people want to get in can't, excpet for some stuff (ksecretservice) which somehow gets thrown into kdelibs for 4.7 after 4.7 is released.20:59
yofelyeah, which I would argue happened because the core kdelibs devs stopped paying attention to k-c-d after they got their own ML21:00
ScottKYep21:01
schnelle_guys is this bug fixed or not: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=275469 ?21:04
ubottuKDE bug 275469 in widget-taskbar "4 7 Regression: closed windows stay in the taskbar sometimes, taskbar doesn't react on clicks" [Normal,Reopened]21:04
schnelle_I think it will be very bad if this bug end up in next LTS21:04
schnelle_Aaron marked it as fixed, but users (including me) still experience this bug21:05
who_methen it might not be fixed21:06
yofelwell, I wasn't exacly seeing it in 4.7, but in 4.7.90 I have an empty systray space right now, and 2 apps overlapping each other...21:06
ScottKschnelle_: It's an issue to take up with upstream as they're the ones that will have to fix it (myself, I've never seen this problem)21:08
yofelwhich I think I have since... 4.6?21:08
schnelle_bug is present since 4.721:08
who_medoes it happen when you have many apps open, I have just a few and I've yet to see it21:09
ScottKNot here.21:09
who_me?21:09
schnelle_it happens at random. sometimes when only one app is open, and when i close it, task item of that app stays in taskbar21:12
_Groo_guys22:01
_Groo_is this ok?22:01
_Groo_http://www.wired.com/underwire/2011/12/prometheus-trailer/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%2922:01
_Groo_ops sorry22:01
_Groo_[ 1441.973188] type=1400 audit(1324574676.731:37): apparmor="DENIED" operation="file_perm" info="Failed name lookup - disconnected path" error=-116 parent=3109 profile="/usr/sbin/mysqld-akonadi///usr/sbin/mysqld" name=".local/share/akonadi/db_data/mysql.err" pid=9586 comm="mysqld" requested_mask="w" denied_mask="w" fsuid=1000 ouid=100022:01
_Groo_wrong paste :D22:01
_Groo_aparently with 4.7.90, apparmor is denying some acess to akonadi22:01
ScottK_Groo_: Could you ask jdstrand in #ubuntu-hardened?22:04
_Groo_sure22:04
yofelno apparmor denied messages here with 4.7.9022:06
_Groo_is this correct also?22:06
_Groo_"/usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_feeder: error while loading shared libraries: libnepomukdatamanagement-copy.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"22:07
_Groo_yofel: are you using kmail ?22:07
yofelusually not, but just started it, still no errors22:07
_Groo_it might not be triggered always22:08
yofelhm, odd, that lib isn't installed here either22:08
_Groo_also, can you run akonactl and start the server from the commandline? can you see the error above about nepomuk not finding a .so?22:08
yofelactually it's only occurence is:22:08
yofelproject-neon-kdepim-runtime: /opt/project-neon/lib/libnepomukdatamanagement-copy.so22:08
_Groo_ProcessControl: Application '/usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_feeder' returned with exit code 127 (Unknown error)22:09
_Groo_"/usr/bin/akonadi_nepomuk_feeder" crashed too often and will not be restarted!22:09
_Groo_so, nepomulk feeder is not working correctly because it cant find the .so22:09
* yofel goes rebuilding kdepim-runtime to get list-missing22:10
_Groo_why am i the only one finding this kinda bugs? ;)22:11
adrian_bergCan you tinker with the kernel and still use official kubuntu releases?22:12
adrian_bergAre there programs for measuring the boot time of your machine?22:12
_Groo_adrian_berg: yes and yes22:12
yofelfor boot logging there's bootchart22:12
adrian_bergI figure you can at the very least modify kernel modules which are probed for at startup by removing them from, er, wherever the list is located...22:12
adrian_bergbootchart, okay22:12
adrian_bergThis machine is considerably faster than my older machines, but it boots slower! 22:12
adrian_bergSpecs: 4gb ram, 2 dual core 2ghz processors.22:12
adrian_berg_Groo_: I thought that by modifying the kernel you wouldn't be able to use future releases22:13
_Groo_adrian_berg: sometimes is the HD to blame, or filesystem, or whatever... booting is a holistic science :P22:13
adrian_bergInteresting, guess I need to get to work them22:13
yofelbtw. this isn't a support channel22:13
adrian_bergOh, right!22:13
_Groo_adrian_berg: you can have how many kernels you like, as long as you add them to grub... so you boot to whatever you want22:14
yofeladrian_berg: but see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile for building kernels the ubuntu way22:14
adrian_bergSorry, I just asked in ubuntu-devel because I could actually get a response, I forgot that #kubuntu actually is helpful22:14
adrian_bergThanks to both of you!22:14
_Groo_np :) good luck :D22:14
_Groo_but relaxc about booting.. if you dont do it constantly, its hardly worth it...22:15
_Groo_but its a good hobby :D22:15
_Groo_look mom, less then 2 secs!... tthats nice dear...22:15
yofelWTF, now kdepim-runtime doesn't even build o.O?22:15
_Groo_yofel: ohoh oO22:15
yofel`.text._ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED2Ev' referenced in section `.text._ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED1Ev[Akonadi::SingleFileResourceConfigDialog<Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource::Settings>::~SingleFileResourceConfigDialog()]' of CMakeFiles/akonadi_notes_resource.dir/__/shared/icalresource.o: defined in discarded section `.text.22:16
yofel_ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED2Ev[_ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED5Ev]' of CMakeFiles/akonadi_notes_resource.dir/__/shared/icalresource.o22:16
yofeland ld fails22:16
_Groo_do you use ccache?22:16
yofelhm, yeah, pbuilder uses ccache22:16
* yofel purges22:16
_Groo_might be a corrupted ccache cache (look what i did there?) :D i got those in the past22:17
_Groo_btw.. i didnt  noticed, phonon needs to be updated for 4.8? i didnt check22:18
yofeldunno, did they release something?22:18
_Groo_dont think so22:19
* _Groo_ invokes might apachelogger22:19
_Groo_mighty*22:19
_Groo_apachelogger: poke22:20
apacheloggerwut?22:20
_Groo_hes here, quick, draw the pentagram and light the candles22:20
* apachelogger throws a fire ball22:20
_Groo_apachelogger: oh mighty apachelogger, ruler of the underground22:20
_Groo_apachelogger: is phonon updated for 4.7.90 or it works with old packages?22:21
ybithttp://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/37399/kubuntu22:21
ybitTrying to get a QA site started for Kubuntu22:21
apacheloggerI have no idea what you mean?22:21
yofelapachelogger: does 4.8 need any phonon updates?22:21
ybitkubuntuforums is nice, but I think more people prefer this style 22:22
_Groo_apachelogger: phonon released in oneiric, works fine with 4.7.90? i believe it does i just want to make sure22:22
apacheloggeryofel: no22:22
yofelgood, that's all he wanted to konw22:22
* _Groo_ does the ritual to send apachelogger to the depths of hell where he belongs22:23
_Groo_where did i put my ritual knife...22:23
_Groo_yofel: is the linking working now?22:24
yofelno22:24
* yofel throws ccache and icecc out22:24
_Groo_huuu might be a .git dirty file too22:25
_Groo_i mean a cmake dirty cache22:25
_Groo_not git :P22:25
_Groo_aparently its trying to link with a older compilation22:25
yofelwe're talking pbuilder and dpkg-buildpacke here22:25
_Groo_ah ok.. he remakes everything :D22:26
_Groo_but stranger things have happened ^^22:26
_Groo_cant wait for prometheus next yeat22:26
_Groo_year22:26
yofelplease not, precise is already strange enough22:26
_Groo_:D22:27
yofeland it still fails...22:30
yofelnow who messed the linker up o.O?22:30
apacheloggerwhat is a linker?22:30
apacheloggercan I has OBS?22:30
_Groo_apachelogger: linker is a link who just got is professional status22:31
_Groo_apachelogger: it WAS a nice joke :P22:33
apacheloggerlinker is a joke? :O22:34
_Groo_apachelogger: a bad one for yofel at least :D22:34
* apachelogger is confused by _Groo_ as usual22:34
_Groo_apachelogger: ahah :D22:34
_Groo_hes trying to compile kdepim-runtime, cause a awesome tester found out that 4.7.90 packages are missing /libnepomukdatamanagement-copy.so22:35
_Groo_and hes getting linker errors22:35
_Groo_[22-12-2011 20:16] <yofel> `.text._ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED2Ev' referenced in section `.text._ZN7Akonadi30SingleFileResourceConfigDialogIN24Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource8SettingsEED1Ev[Akonadi::SingleFileResourceConfigDialog<Akonadi_Aknotes_Resource::Settings>::~SingleFileResourceConfigDialog()]' of CMakeFiles/akonadi_notes_resource.dir/__/shared/icalresource.o: defined in discarded section `.text.22:35
_Groo_yofel: is it linking yet? ;)22:40
yofelnope22:40
_Groo_can you try a diferent machine? vm? whatever22:41
yofelwell, now trying without a chroot22:46
_Groo_gotta go, seeya all tomorrow :D22:47
yofelgreat, now it builds - *sigh*22:51
QuintasanBLOODY HELL23:29
Quintasanyofel: was your core broken or something?23:29
yofelnot that I noticed... ?23:29
QuintasanCouldn't connect for last three days23:30
QuintasanMaybe the windows crap is broken or something23:30
yofelalthough I once messed up the port forwarding, but I fixed that like half an hour later23:30
Quintasanapachelogger: no maliit yet, are you willing to review framework?23:30
yofeloh fun, kdepim-runtime list-missing:23:31
apacheloggerQuintasan: drop me a mail23:31
yofel-./usr/lib/libnepomukdatamanagement-copy.so23:31
yofel-./usr/lib/libnepomukfeederpluginlib.a23:31
apacheloggerand a bug or something23:31
yofelthis is what happens if you stuff things from kdelibs into -runtime I guess -.-23:32
Quintasanapachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~quintasan/+junk/maliit-framework23:33
Quintasanno bug yet23:33
yofelhm, no, that's from kde-runtime23:33
apacheloggerQuintasan: mail plz23:36
* apachelogger will not remember it otherwise23:36
Quintasank23:36
Quintasanapachelogger: sent23:42
Quintasanyofel: is precise precisely useable?23:50
rbelemQuintasan, \o/23:50
apacheloggerstop with the puns already :P23:51
yofelhere yes, only problems I have: wireless N doesn't work, and kmix crashes all the time (although I fixed latter by copying the newer binary from neon)23:51
Quintasanapachelogger: Not gonna happen23:51
Quintasanrbelem: \o23:51
rbelemQuintasan, i'm running it on my laptop for one week23:51
Quintasanapachelogger: Isn't that *precisely* why we like our LTS name?23:51
Quintasan</troll>23:52
apacheloggeris it LTS yet?23:52
Quintasanokay, I'll go to bed and work on telepathy tomorrow23:52
ScottKapachelogger: Not official.23:52
apacheloggerall my fault :(23:52
ScottKNeed tech board to approve the application.23:52
Quintasanthen I will do research on forced GPT hoping to get kubantooz on Asus23:53
yofeldid we decide on a browser yet?23:53
ScottKI think none of the above is winning.23:53
yofel:[23:53
apacheloggerScottK: oh TB approval23:53
apacheloggerhow awesome :S23:53
apacheloggerisn't the TB an ubuntu governing board whereas LTS is canonical stuff?23:54
ScottKSort of23:54
apacheloggerfun23:54
ScottKI think the slightly more precise answer is that it's a Canonical thing in many respects, but Canonical asked the TB to make a determination on its behalf.23:56
ScottKpun was not intended at first, but I left it after I noticed it.23:56
apachelogger:D23:57
apacheloggerScottK: that communicates an unfortunate message IMHO23:57
apacheloggerthough maybe I am getting paranoid now23:57
ScottKIt's meant to open LTS status up to Universe flavors.23:57
ScottKI think it does carry some additional risk for us, but I don't think it was intended.23:58
apacheloggereitherway there is some weirdness about doing it23:58

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