[00:09] <amason> morn all, i have some services virtualbox for example, which currently start on boot and I was wondering how i can stop them starting on boot. They don't seem to use upstart, they use the old init style in /etc/init.d/vbox
[01:54] <Drake_> hi
[01:54] <PhireB0mb3r> Hello.
[01:55] <Drake_> hope I'm not interrupting a discussion, but I'd appreciate some help >.<
[01:55] <PhireB0mb3r> !ask | Drake_
[01:57] <Drake_> I've installed Kubuntu x64. I had windows7 and ubuntu before kubuntu was installed on the ubuntu partition now my grub is all messed up. All I see is a black screen that says 'grub >' and before that it was in rescue mode. Can anyone help me?
[01:57] <PhireB0mb3r> !grub
[01:58] <PhireB0mb3r> Have you followed the instructions there?
[01:58] <Drake_> Yes
[01:58] <Drake_> I get errors through some of the steps
[01:58] <PhireB0mb3r> I've had similar issues in the past and the article helped me resolve it in getting GRUB back to a working state.
[01:59] <PhireB0mb3r> Have you tried using SGD?
[01:59] <PhireB0mb3r> SGD == Super Grub Disk
[02:00] <Drake_> no
[02:00] <PhireB0mb3r> http://supergrubdisk.org
[02:00] <PhireB0mb3r> Give that a try, too.
[02:00] <Drake_> I'm in live-mode right now so I can't burn any discs
[02:00] <PhireB0mb3r> It has a walk-through menu to help you restore GRUB
[02:00] <Drake_> also I've tried creating a booting usb, but I get an error at the end
[02:01] <PhireB0mb3r> If you're running LiveCD, you can restore through this, too.
[02:01] <Drake_> through the terminal you mean?
[02:01] <PhireB0mb3r> You can go through the Installer and just setup GRUB.
[02:01] <Drake_> because on the disc options it said that this ISO comes with no recovery mode
[02:01] <PhireB0mb3r> Yes, you can do it in Terminal/Konsole, too.
[02:03] <Drake_> I've tried countless ways through konsole, with no luck
[02:03] <PhireB0mb3r> Did you chroot your drive and bind /mnt /proc and /dev?
[02:04] <Drake_> yes
[02:04] <PhireB0mb3r> What happened then?
[02:04] <PhireB0mb3r> What messages did you receive when trying to restore GRUB?
[02:05] <Drake_> I tried that like an hour ago, and everything went find except for a 'cannot find' excerpt I can't remember
[02:05] <PhireB0mb3r> Care to try now and see if you can get that error message again?
[02:05] <Drake_> I restarted and got grub, but it only showed my windows 7 install. When I selected it it would restart grub and it'd ask me to choose
[02:05] <Drake_> It was an infinite loop u.u
[02:06] <PhireB0mb3r> OK. Did you try Google'ing the error message for a path to resolution?
[02:07] <Drake_> Yes, nothing really relevant came up
[02:07] <PhireB0mb3r> 0.-
[02:11] <Drake_> I'm trying to do the restore grub method. Do I have to mount something before doing 'sudo grub-install /dev/xxx'?
[02:11] <Naril> hi
[02:12] <Naril> of course not
[02:14] <Drake_> I got this "/usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /boot/grub (is /dev mounted?)"
[02:25] <PhireB0mb3r> You're on the LiveCD. You have to chroot the device first.
[02:26] <cherry> ..
[02:27] <PhireB0mb3r> Found this on Google -> http://sidvind.com/wiki/HOWTO_Restore_GRUB_after_Windows_XP_installation-cd
[02:36] <Drake_> got to the grub --no-floppy step and I got this "Error 27 unrecognized command"
[02:40] <gizmobay> I have dual monitors setup using nouveau through kde. I have my primary set as one but when I open new programs they always open on 2. The res on 2 is different from 1.
[02:42] <Drake_> Thanks anyways guys
[02:42] <Drake_> :/
[03:04] <jmichaelx> for performance (possible HD GPU offloading?), which would be better for a radeon hd 3470, fglrx or the FOSS drivers?
[03:11] <Roey> hi
[03:11] <Roey> hey can I transfer files to/from my phone and play off my phone or off my Kubuntu server with DLNA?
[03:11] <Roey> Does Kubuntu support DLNA proper, and not just generic upnp?
[03:14] <Roey> So far, the most I see regarding DLNA and anything KDE-related seems to be this thread about Amarok and DLNA:  http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=116&t=97095
[07:52] <ok_wait> hey guys, i'm actually not running kubuntu but ubuntu 11.10 with lightdm and unity (just upgraded from 11.04 with gnome) and i'm improvising for lack of functionality and customizations with plasma-desktop.  this http://picpaste.com/Workspace_1_024-3ie5JKam.jpeg menu will not go away once summon for the first time and i can pass clicks through it as though it weren't there. any ideas how to fix this?
[07:54] <szal> ok_wait: you didn't reboot yet, did you?
[07:54] <ok_wait> lol
[07:54] <ok_wait> ok fine for you :)
[07:59] <ok_wait> :|
[08:00] <ok_wait> ... it still won't go away
[08:01]  * szal has no idea if plasma-desktop was even meant to run w/o KDE
[08:01] <szal> my take: if you don't run KDE, don't expect Plasma to work as expected ^^
[08:01] <ok_wait> all the package dependencies were met
[08:02] <ok_wait> ok i guess that's fair
[08:02] <ok_wait> just for the record, other than this little mishap, it's working beautifully
[08:13] <ok_wait> ok so plasma-desktop has been killed but the panel and its menu still remains. this doesn't have anything to do with you guys anymore does it?
[08:43] <anubis> Hi, is there an easy way to make kubuntu boot in text-mode without adapting the start-scripts?
[08:47] <ikonia> anubis: you either need to remove the graphical components, or modify the startup scripts to not boot it
[08:49] <DarsVaeda> looking for a program to diff two files wether text or binary
[10:37] <muesli> are there any good alternatives to plasma?
[10:40] <Torch> i'd be surprised if there were _any_ alternatives
[10:43] <muesli> Torch: kicker, razor-qt, i guess. i bet there are a few more. i'm just fed up with the general brokenness of plasma and it doesn't look like it will be fixed anytime soon
[10:46] <francesco_> film
[10:47] <francesco_> film
[10:49] <Torch> muesli: i wouldn't call either an alternative to plasma.though... kicker is kde 3.5 tech and razor-qt aims to be replacing all of kde
[10:52] <muesli> granted, i'd prefer a kde4 kicker myself, but anything is currently an improvement over plasma :-/
[10:52] <Torch> muesli: what's not working for you?
[10:53] <muesli> where to even start... :-/
[10:53] <muesli> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/22/plasma-desktopn16883.jpg
[10:53] <muesli> here it show me an activity's name cut-off on the left side of my monitor
[10:53] <muesli> on my second activity it shows no name whatsoever
[10:53] <muesli> the third activity shows the name in the right place
[10:53] <muesli> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/22/plasma-desktopw16883.jpg
[10:54] <muesli> notifications are all mis-sized, the button here is just an example
[10:54] <Torch> muesli: you wouldn't even _have_ activities without plasma, so how would "anything" be an improvement?
[10:54] <muesli> each notification appears three times
[10:54] <muesli> twice on the left monitor, once on the right monitor
[10:54] <muesli> every other start it fails to initialize my main panel
[10:55] <muesli> it's just missing then
[10:55] <Torch> muesli: that's bad. but i guess it's something about your config, because it's very unlikely such a major bug would go unnoticed and unfixed for long
[10:55] <muesli> after running it for a few hours it constantly uses ~50% of my cpu
[10:55] <Torch> muesli: check which plasmoids you run and if you need them
[10:55] <Torch> muesli: many plasmoids are just buggy
[10:56] <Torch> muesli: but again, you wouldn't get _any_ plasmoids without plasma, so there's no point looking for an alternaitve ;-)
[10:56] <muesli> Torch: i've freshly installed kubuntu a few times already. the bugs reappear every time
[10:56] <muesli> (since 10.04 at least)
[10:56] <muesli> i've even filed the bugs to aseigo, he just keeps coming up with new excuses ;-)
[10:57] <Torch> muesli: well, this is nothing personal between aaron and you
[10:57] <muesli> no, of course not
[10:57] <Torch> muesli: if you've filed the bugs with kde, they will get looked at and dealt with.
[10:57] <muesli> that's what i tried to say actually ;-)
[10:57] <Torch> muesli: heh ;-)
[10:57] <Torch> muesli: got a tracker number?
[10:59] <muesli> let's see. might be hard to find because the bugs usually get shot down as invalid / can't reproduce
[11:00] <muesli> (and hence don't appear under my reported bugs anymore)
[11:00] <muesli> sigh
[11:00] <Torch> muesli: just set up another saved search for all bugs you ever reported
[11:01] <Torch> muesli: should be possible (i don't have that one myself, but i got one for my products, including closed issues)
[11:01] <muesli> yeah, just trying :-)
[11:01] <muesli> either way, usually aaron tells me it's my fault for having more than one monitor and an nvidia
[11:01] <muesli> ;-0
[11:03] <Torch> muesli: exactly my setup here in the office
[11:03] <muesli> same resolution on both monitors?
[11:03] <Torch> muesli: works like a charm. and has been for ages.
[11:03] <Torch> muesli: yes.
[11:03] <muesli> yeah, that helps a lot
[11:04] <muesli> try different monitors and experience the unusability :)
[11:08] <Torch> muesli: i imagine you might find other DEs not dealing with that perfectly either
[11:08] <Torch> muesli: i'd be surprised if the razor-qt devs currently even intentionally supported that setup, at this stage of their development efforts
[11:09] <muesli> dunno, at least i don't expect to see randomly appearing bugs
[11:09] <Torch> (this is no excuse for any plasma bugs, of course)
[11:09] <muesli> like my panel just disappeared again
[11:09] <muesli> now it's suddenly popping up cut-off on the top part of the screen
[11:09] <muesli> whereas its border is painted on the other monitor on the bottom part of the screen
[11:10] <muesli> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/22/plasma-desktopO16883.jpg
[11:12] <Torch> muesli: and you've got the panel configured to cover both screens?
[11:12] <muesli> nope, it should appear on top of the left monitor
[11:12] <muesli> it's appearing everywhere but there
[11:12] <muesli> now it's completely gone :-/
[11:13] <muesli> having said that, it'll work fine every other time i log in
[11:15] <muesli> http://wstaw.org/m/2011/12/22/plasma-desktopb16883.jpg
[11:15] <muesli> notifications appearing in random places
[11:17] <Torch> muesli: i see. the best thing you can do is post all those screenshots as attachments to your bugs.kde.org report and provide as much detail as possible to reproduce the bugs
[11:17] <muesli> i know i'm asking for a leap of faith here, but i'm a (kde-) dev myself and i reported all of those issues before
[11:17] <muesli> they all got filed as invalid eventually
[11:18] <muesli> i've tried wiping all my configs, tried a fresh home dir, tried switching around monitors, bought a new nvidia card, installed every kubuntu since 10.04, tried opensuse and arch
[11:18] <muesli> it's pretty reproducible if you ask me ;-)
[11:19] <muesli> that's why asking for an alternative in here was my last resort
[11:24] <csmsarr> BONJOUR tout le mon
[11:24] <csmsarr> monde
[11:24] <Lynoure> !fr
[11:24] <Lynoure> But hello.
[11:25] <csmsarr> ok merci !! mais on tape ca ou ?
[11:28] <muesli> Torch: nice, razor works like a charm :)
[11:30] <muesli> ooh, and all of a sudden all my desktop effects are smooth as heck
[11:31] <Torch> muesli: how can you tell when the issues under KDE are intermittent, though?
[11:31] <muesli> that's only the panel issue that's intermittent
[12:20] <roland> hi. i'm editing a XML file with kate, anyone know how to fold all elements?
[12:43] <excognac> hi all
[12:44] <excognac> I don't quite understand https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272495 says that the bug is resolved. Then where is it indicated how to do so?
[12:45] <excognac> but i have this issue every day, and my system is updated
[12:45] <excognac> It really gets on my nerves
[12:49] <excognac> So could anyone please explain me patiently what to do? My anger may enveil an easy solution
[13:01] <Torch> excognac: you do have KDE 4.7.4?
[13:04] <excognac> yes, output for kded4 --version Qt: 4.7.4 KDE Development Platform: 4.7.3 (4.7.3) KDE Dæmon: $Id$
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[13:06] <tsimpson> excognac: 4.7.3 is not 4.7.4
[13:07] <excognac> jeez, ouch
[13:08] <excognac> sorry for taking your time, and your help is appreciated thanks
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[13:31] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:33] <cablop> can kde deal ok with lightdm?
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[14:04] <mime> hey, any idea for getting detected my external 60gb hdd? it seems to be corrupted, how to repair it please? thnx
[14:06] <mime111> hey, any idea for getting detected my external 60gb hdd? it seems to be corrupted, how to repair it please? thnx
[14:49] <Riddell> testing needed for amarok in oneiric!
[14:50] <Riddell> ask in #kubuntu-devel if you are interested
[15:00] <LjL> can i use KRFB or something to let someone connect all the time, not just when i invite?
[15:07] <BluesKaj> BBL, errands ...
[15:21] <Riddell> KDE beta for early testers kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.7.90-beta
[15:23] <genii-around> Cool.
[15:33] <LjL> in Precise apparently there's finally a language installer, but any idea why the IME-related options are grayed out even for languages like Japanese?
[15:35] <FloodBotK3> !netsplit
[15:39] <rogi> hello
[16:32] <Zippa> In my computer crashes my graphics layer OS is Kubuntu 11.10
[16:34] <genii-around> !details
[16:35] <Zippa> I have a problem with crashes graphics layer OS
[16:36] <genii-around> Zippa: More information is required
[16:36] <genii-around> Bleh
[16:51] <Deckard_25> hi, do you plan to move Amarok 2.5 to stable repositories for 11.10?
[17:22] <soee> Riddell, got a moment ?
[17:22] <soee> yofel, maybe ?
[17:23] <yofel> hm?
[17:24] <soee> yofel, i see the news about 4.7.90 packages
[17:24] <soee> but in console a lot o packages are hold is it normal ?
[17:24] <yofel> it installed fine for me - can you show the log?
[17:26] <soee> yofel, http://pastebin.com/ct8K6uYH packages from line 5 to 19 are hold
[17:26] <soee> rest are marked to upgrade
[17:28] <Riddell> soee: dist-upgrade
[17:28] <Riddell> not upgrade
[17:29] <soee> Riddell, ah right, thank you now only: karbon kexi krita kthesaurus are hold
[17:30] <Riddell> soee: they were koffice and moved to calligra so you can remove koffice and install calligra
[17:31] <Riddell> (also beta)
[17:32] <soee> Riddell, ok thank you very much
[17:33] <who_me> on my simulated install only kexi is held back
[17:34] <who_me> which was probably brought in with the koffice stuff
[17:36] <OerHeks> thnx Riddell calligra-suit looks prommissing
[17:46] <soee> brb, reboot
[17:53] <Dipesh> i want to contribute to KDE how can I do so??
[17:53] <Shaan7> Dipesh: hi :)
[17:53] <Dipesh> hi
[17:54] <Shaan7> how much time are you using KDE for?
[17:54] <Shaan7> *since how
[17:54] <Dipesh> 6 months
[17:54] <soee> hmm, there is no anymore Show desktop widget ?
[17:54] <Shaan7> Dipesh: ah cool, so basically the easiest way is to start contributing (code) is to either 1. find a simple bug which you can fix 2. add a simple feature
[17:55] <Shaan7> Dipesh: "Junior Jobs" section of http://bugs.kde.org/ will help you find such bugs
[17:55] <Dipesh> ohk
[17:55] <soee> colorpicker is gone also :/
[17:55] <Shaan7> Dipesh: and, you might also want to join #kde-in
[17:56] <soee> rss is gone ? :o something must be wrong
[18:04] <genii-around> !contribute
[19:00] <DexterF> how can I boot 11.10 live without the soding splashscreen?
[19:00] <genii-around> Edit the boot line to remove the quiet and splash part
[19:01] <DexterF> I removed quiet and modified splash to nosplash. still get splash.
[19:01] <genii-around> I think F5 or F6 shows the line that will be used when booting CD
[19:02] <DexterF> F6. like I said: I removed quiet and modified splash to nosplash.
[19:03] <genii-around> DexterF: Yeah that should have worked.
[19:03] <DexterF> didn't
[19:04] <DexterF> gives me console output for a moment then back to splash
[19:04] <genii-around> Might be some graphical thing in the initial ramdisk image
[19:20] <horseatingweeds> I'm installing Kubuntu as a second os, dual with Win XP. Would anyone like to check my disk setup and let me know if I'm doing anything crazy?
[19:22] <horseatingweeds> I have Win on a partition sized 137GB, I just set up a ext4 partition mounted on / that is 480GB for Kubuntu, and I've got a swap partition sized 4GB.
[19:23] <horseatingweeds> 18.7GB left free
[19:31] <szal> horseatingweeds: nothing wrong w/ that setup, except perhaps that it might be easier to handle if you have a separate /home partition, in which case you'd want some 15-20 GB for / and the rest for /home
[19:32] <szal> horseatingweeds: as for the swap size, how much physical RAM do you have?
[19:34] <horseatingweeds> szal: I've got 16GM RAM lol
[19:34] <Torch> horseatingweeds: if you want to suspend to disk, you need a swap partition as large as your ram is, afaik
[19:35] <Torch> horseatingweeds: i've got the same amount and just decided to not want to suspend to disk though
[19:35] <horseatingweeds> Torch, thanks. I forgot about that.
[19:37] <horseatingweeds> Is 16998 enough to cover 16GB of RAM?
[19:38] <richard> argentina?
[19:38] <Guest59269> Alguien de Argentina?
[19:39] <genii-around> !ar
[19:39] <szal> Torch, horseatingweeds: at least
[19:39] <szal> horseatingweeds: recommendation is RAM x 1.5
[19:39] <Guest59269> dice invitados unicamente
[19:40] <szal> Guest59269: en inglés acá, por favor
[19:40] <Torch> horseatingweeds: however, do you really want to use suspend to disk? i really don't miss it, suspend to ram works fine, is faster and saves 99% the energy
[19:40] <SunTsu> szal: that's a recommendation from er when?
[19:41] <SunTsu> szal: and you know why ram * 1.5? or x2?
[19:41] <szal> SunTsu: heard that years ago, just to be sure you have enough space, I guess
[19:41] <Torch> SunTsu: what do you recommend?
[19:41] <szal> x2 would be a bit of overkill, I guess
[19:42] <markus_> moin
[19:42] <SunTsu> szal: because kernel dumps went into swap and you wanted swap left after that
[19:42] <szal> Guest59269: probablemente es porque no tienes un nick registrado
[19:42] <horseatingweeds> Torch, I would not miss suspend to disk. I always suspend to RAM.
[19:42] <SunTsu> Torch: Depends on what one is doing and on how much memory consumption is to be expected
[19:43] <SunTsu> horseatingweeds: what are you going to do with your box?
[19:44] <horseatingweeds> SunTsu: It's a desktop, a development environment for Apache CGI stuff, php, mysql, etc.
[19:45] <SunTsu> horseatingweeds: then you probably could do without swap at all. I'd still recommend to have some, if you want to do suspend to disk, a little bit more than ram as Torch said
[19:47] <SunTsu> horseatingweeds: if you don't want to use suspend to disk you very well could live with 4-8GB swap, to catch some memory usage peaks
[19:48] <SunTsu> my laptop has 16gb ram, too, currently it uses 7gb, with a vbox taking 4GB of that
[19:49] <horseatingweeds> Perhaps I should make a big enough swap partition just to be sure. I'll be doing a fresh install long before I get the 500GB+ of this disk full.
[19:50] <Torch> horseatingweeds: well, it doesn't hurt to have a 20gib swap partition, i guess
[19:50] <Torch> horseatingweeds: and as you say, disk space is nearly free
[19:50] <SunTsu> horseatingweeds: it won't hurt anyway to have swap, but you'll find out that you seldomly need it.
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[19:51] <SunTsu> damn, I hate holiday time
[19:52] <horseatingweeds> It is rather wonderful, disk space and RAM being virtually free. I just put the 16GB of ram in this machine, price was $80, same as the 4GB I put in here two years ago.
[19:53] <Torch> unfortunately, disk space tripled in price over the last couple of months. but hopefully things will return to normal soon now the hysteria begins to die down.
[19:54] <szal> Torch: what hysteria?
[19:54] <Torch> szal: well, of perceived hard drive shortage
[19:58] <soee> hey someone who using clementine here ?
[20:00] <SunTsu> soee: just ask what you want to
[20:00] <SunTsu> horseatingweeds: Yeah, ram doesn't cost anything anymore, that's why I'd rather stock up ram than having the box swap, which is a serious performance hit
[20:01] <horseatingweeds> Torch: I don't know about 3x, but HDs look like they've gone up, looking at newegg.com
[20:01] <SunTsu> no wonder with what happend to thailand
[20:01] <SunTsu> flood and all
[20:02] <soee> well i need someone to confirm this: after closing clementine proccess keeps running taking ~ 40% cpu also kmix i starting to use more than 40% cpu
[20:03] <soee> by the way 4.8 rc is so damn fast :)
[20:08] <Torch> doesn't clementine have their own irc channel?
[20:16] <BluesKaj> soee, 4.8 beta2 still doesn't remember it's window size and postion settings , something that's been a bug now since 4.6
[20:18] <soee> BluesKaj, bot overall improvement is great
[20:18] <who_me> i'm just happy it does not crash :)
[20:18] <Torch> akonadi is much improved, i hear.
[20:19] <soee> who_me, crashed once for me
[20:19] <soee> after closing Amarok beta
[20:19] <soee> but after moment all came back to normal
[20:19] <who_me> amarok 2.5 ?
[20:20] <soee> who_me, yes the new one
[20:20] <Tech-1> pana ftw
[20:20] <soee> pana ?
[20:20] <Tech-1> amarok 1.4
[20:20] <soee> :)
[20:20] <soee> im using bangarang or YaRock or Tomahawk
[20:21] <who_me> soee: and did you try to report it ?
[20:21] <Tech-1> huh, never seen anyone of those
[20:21] <soee> who_me, no just started testing 4.8
[20:21] <who_me> so did I :)
[20:23] <soee> hmm again kmix uses whole 1 core
[20:25] <horseatingweeds> Can you change the speed of the mouse pointer? I'm looking under 'mouse' in system settings.
[20:37] <who_me> horseatingweeds: System Settings -> Input Devices -> Mouse -> Advanced tab - pointer acceleration
[20:40] <horseatingweeds> who_me: thanks
[20:43] <horseatingweeds> I just installed Kubuntu. I started the updata installed that showed the yellow icon. It's been stuck at 57% for about 30 minutes, and when I started reking, about 50 Gwenview windows opened all with an Error "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'file'"
[20:44] <soee> where is the trash folder located
[20:45] <yofel> should be ~/.local/share/Trash/...
[20:47] <horseatingweeds> I don't know. Dolphin won't open the root folder. The Applications tab is empty.
[20:48] <yofel> horseatingweeds: can you press alt+f2 and open konsole?
[20:49] <horseatingweeds> yofel: Yeah
[20:50] <yofel> horseatingweeds: what does 'tail -n 1 /var/log/apt/term.log' say?
[20:51] <soee> tahnk you yofel
[20:54] <horseatingweeds> yofel: It says "Preparing to replace ttf-opensymbol 2:2.4.3+lIB03.4.3-3UBUNTU 2 (using .../ttf-opensymbol_2%3a2.4.3+Lib03.4.4-Oubuntul_all.deb) ..."
[20:56] <yofel> ok, no idea why it would hang there, but anyway:
[20:56] <yofel> run: killall qaptworker
[20:56] <yofel> after that: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[20:57] <yofel> then: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (make sure it doesn't want to remove kubuntu-desktop)
[20:57] <horseatingweeds> Do you run killall under sudo? I ran it without, it said qaptworker(1958): operation not permitted
[20:57] <yofel> ah, then you'll need sudo
[21:01] <horseatingweeds> yofel: how do I make sure it doesn't want to remove kubuntu-desktop? (dpkg --configure -a is running right now)
[21:03] <yofel> just check if it wants to remove it, if it does pastebin the output so I see what it wants to do
[21:04] <horseatingweeds> It says "0 upgrade... 0 0 "
[21:04] <yofel> 0 to upgrade?
[21:04] <horseatingweeds> Yeah. But this is a new install, so that would be correct right?
[21:05] <yofel> it's ok, that means it did manage to install all updates after all, just got stuck when starting the configuring stage
[21:05] <yofel> you should log out now, that'll make the rekonq error go away
[21:06] <horseatingweeds> How do you log out? lol (new to kde)
[21:07] <horseatingweeds> Found it...
[21:08] <horseatingweeds> It gives me a crash report.
[21:13] <horseatingweeds> yofel: I have a black screen now. The mouse pointer is still there. Nothing seems to be going on.
[21:13] <yofel> can you press alt+f2 and run plasma-desktop?
[21:14] <horseatingweeds> No. alt+f2 does nothing.
[21:15] <BarkingFish> Evening guys - any chance I could possibly get some help please?  I just acquired a new monitor which supports 1280*1024 as its native resolution.  My graphics card is also able to support 1280*1024, but upon boot - the display complains it's been set to 1024*768 - how can I set it to start up at 1280*1024 please?
[21:17] <yofel> horseatingweeds: dist-upgrade really said "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." ?
[21:17] <horseatingweeds> yofel: yes
[21:17] <yofel> hm
[21:17] <yofel> does it crash again if you press alt+print+k and login again?
[21:18] <horseatingweeds> Hu... alt-print-k brought up the login screen.
[21:19] <yofel> it's the key combination to kill your current session
[21:19] <horseatingweeds> Cool.
[21:19] <horseatingweeds> So what happened? Something crashed after updating?
[21:19] <yofel> not sure, you said it gave you a crash report
[21:20] <horseatingweeds> Yeah. I was trying to go though the process of sending it to the developers, but it said the info was not useful, and I couldn't install the debugger. So I gave up.
[21:21] <horseatingweeds> Dolphin and rekong work now...
[21:21] <horseatingweeds> Should there be crash info somewhere?
[21:22] <yofel> no, if it crashes again you'll get a notification again
[21:24] <horseatingweeds> Would messing with mouse settings of task bar settings during the update process cause such trouble?
[21:27] <BarkingFish> that doesn't seem particularly likely.  Changing the settings of something is unlikely to break an update
[21:28] <who_me> nope, but the default install of kubuntu may prove a bit ...umm quirky :)
[21:28] <BarkingFish> anyone have any clues on my monitor issue please?
[21:28] <who_me> I actually left muon well alone and manage with synaptic and the console :)
[21:29] <who_me> very newbie friendly
[21:29] <who_me> :P
[21:31] <horseatingweeds> I installed this same version but in 32 bit on a virtual machine, it was fine. It's the 64 bit that I just installed. Now I just realized it's not been playing sound.
[21:37] <horseatingweeds> COOL. kde has smooth scrole?
[21:44] <who_me> rekonq, the browser has
[21:44] <who_me> but so does firefox
[21:44] <who_me> and opera
[21:44] <who_me> and chrome I think :)
[21:50] <sebo> #pardus
[21:52] <sebo> illaki pardus
[21:56] <BarkingFish> Ok, it's past long enough, I'll ask again :)
[21:57] <BarkingFish> I need some help with my monitor. It's a Dell E173FPC, which is default to 1280*1024 resolution. Kubuntu starts it at 1024*768 - although I can change it manually.  Is there anyway I can force KDE / Kubuntu to start the monitor at the correct resolution, to save me manually adjusting it on each boot, please?
[21:57] <BarkingFish> My graphics card is an ATI Radeon X300 SE
[22:01] <Torch> BarkingFish: you can always set up your own xorg.conf file and configure the graphics mode(s) manually
[22:02] <BarkingFish> I don't know how to.  It used to be xorg.conf was one file, now I find several, and no straightforward xorg.conf anywhere.
[22:03] <Torch> BarkingFish: i have one file /etc/xorg.conf that configures my video modes. i do use nvidias binary blob though which is very simple to configure in that regard
[22:03] <BarkingFish> i do   locate xorg.conf and it brings up loads of xorg.conf  under .d files, but no solo xorg.conf :(
[22:04] <Torch> BarkingFish: i don't think there _is_ one per default. you'll have to create it yourself. but google should help.
[22:04] <BarkingFish> hm...
[22:05] <BarkingFish> That's a pain in the behind.  I was hoping it was going to be easier than this.
[22:05] <Torch> BarkingFish: you could try toying around with krandr, if that one still exists (it never worked for nvidia, so i didn't follow its development)
[22:05] <Torch> BarkingFish: but i guess this will only fix your problem _after_ logging in to KDE
[22:06] <Torch> (wild guess here, never tried it like i said)
[22:06] <BarkingFish> Yeah, I'm using krandrtray to set it manually
[22:06] <BarkingFish> I don't want to be doing that on every login though
[22:06] <Torch> BarkingFish: can't you autostart it?
[22:07] <BarkingFish> again, don't know how to.  I've only been on Kubuntu about 4 months, and this is the first time I've ever had to mess with xorg or X in any of its forms
[22:07] <BarkingFish> It's only cause of my new monitor, otherwise I'd be running as normal
[22:08] <Torch> BarkingFish: system settings -> system administration -> startup and shutdown
[22:15] <BarkingFish> Torch: ok, I've added krandrstartup to my autostart area in the place you directed me to - is there any command line arguments I can pass to it to set the monitor the way I need it?
[22:16] <BarkingFish> k
[22:17] <Torch> BarkingFish: doesn't it save its config and reload it on next run?
[22:17] <Torch> BarkingFish: again, i don't use it, it's neither working nor required with nvidia
[22:17] <BarkingFish> I'll check it and find out
[22:17] <BarkingFish> I'll be back in a tick, I'm gonna log out and restart kde
[22:21] <sebo> illaki pardus
[22:23] <ybit> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/37399/kubuntu
[22:23] <ybit> Trying to get a QA site started for Kubuntu
[22:23] <ybit> It's free stable hosting, and it's a convenient method for asking help, come on #kubuntu community! :)
[22:24] <Tech-1> cool
[22:24] <Tech-1> 1rst question is
[22:24] <ikonia> isn't there already a QA site ?
[22:24] <ikonia> oh you mean question and answer
[22:28] <ybit> ikonia: there's askubuntu.com but it's not support for kubuntu
[22:28] <maco> ybit: kubuntu is supported on there
[22:28] <ikonia> there are kubuntu forums, irc, really neeed another one
[22:28] <ikonia> ?
[22:28] <maco> http://askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/kubuntu
[22:29] <sebo> illaki pardus
[22:29] <ybit> maco: hmm, okay, thought it was specific to ubuntu
[22:29] <ybit> guess i can close the proposal then
[22:29] <maco> ybit: ubuntu-the-project, not ubuntu-the-desktop
[22:29] <maco> kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu server are all supported there
[22:30] <sebo> pardus pardus
[22:30] <maco> sebo: what about pardus?
[22:30] <BarkingFish> sebo: What language is that?
[22:30] <sebo> pardus pardus
[22:30] <maco> BarkingFish: afaik, Pardus is another distro
[22:31] <BarkingFish> sebo: I have no idea what you're doing here, other than possibly trolling us.  Please either ask a question, or help someone.
[22:31] <maco> wikipedia says it's a Turkish fork of Gentoo
[22:31] <maco> it also says it's latin for leopard
[22:31] <BarkingFish> :P
[22:32] <BarkingFish> Torch: just to let you know, I found an option on krandr to set the applied graphics settings as default, I restarted KDE and it's coming up correctly in the right resolution
[22:32] <sebo> pardus pardus
[22:33] <maco> sebo: please stop
[22:33] <sebo> ok
[22:34] <sebo> please  dedinmi akan sular durur yahu
[22:34] <BarkingFish> !tr | sebo
[22:34] <Torch> BarkingFish: sounds great!
[22:34] <sebo> ben pardusu tercih ederim ne işim var orda yahu
[22:36] <eein> could not start process Unable to create io-slave klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'file'
[22:36] <eein> ??? dolphin doesnt load contents of folders
[22:37] <horseatingweeds> eein: did you just do updates?
[22:37] <eein> yes then restarted
[22:37] <horseatingweeds> I was having that problem a few hours ago.
[22:37] <eein> everything is fine at terminal just dolphin
[22:37] <Torch> someone else was having the same problem yesterday.
[22:38] <sebo> s.a
[22:38] <kindofabuzz> why does konsole not remember window size even though i have the option checked?
[22:40] <eein> also i noticed dolphin does other weird stuff before all this.  when saving to a folder the file does not appear unless you F5
[22:40] <horseatingweeds> eein: I ran "killall qaptworker" then "dpkg --configure -a" then "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[22:40] <Torch> eein: first thing to try in cases like this is run "kbuildsycoca --noincremental" from a shell.
[22:40] <sebo> one numara pardus
[22:40] <eein> backing out the folder and back in or even closing dolphin didnt fix that bug and now this
[22:40] <Torch> eein: if that does not fix it, log out and in again. if that does not ifx it, reboot.
[22:41] <ikonia> sebo: "stop"
[22:41] <horseatingweeds> eein: then I logged out and back in. It's fine now.
[22:41] <maco> sebo: durdurmak
[22:42] <sebo> what stop?
[22:42] <maco> Bu kubuntu için.pardus için değil
[22:43] <sebo> bizde bişey demiyoruz  yahu
[22:43] <sebo> sadece pardus  diyoruz
[22:44] <sebo> hadi hayırlı geceler
[22:44] <eein> Torch, http://pastebin.com/yT3hvTkm
[22:45] <sebo> kendinize iyi bakın bol parduslu günler
[22:45] <Torch> eein: that's okay
[22:45] <Torch> eein: it's normal you get some warnings when you run that
[22:45] <eein> thats all I get
[22:45] <Torch> eein: that's fine, it's supposed to just do its thing and print some warnings
[22:46] <Torch> eein: now just try to log out and in again and see if that helped
[22:46] <eein> is there a log that captures more info?
[22:46] <Torch> eein: about what?
[22:47] <eein> ah rebuilds system cache
[22:50] <eein> fixed thanks
[22:52] <Torch> eean: great to hear that.
[23:08] <ybit> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=144808
[23:09] <ybit> I have yet to install a widget from a local file
[23:09] <ybit> Not able to find it by browsing using the "Download new widgets" window
[23:10] <ybit> And from trying to install it from a local file, it's looking for a plasmoid, but the file is distributed as a tarball
[23:10] <ybit> just wondering what the process is for installing this
[23:13] <KingSphinx> A question about PlayOnLinux: will it work with the version of Wine I have installed, or will it conflict with Wine if I have bare Wine installed?
[23:15] <ybit> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/11/unity-like-launcher-for-kde-icon-tasks.html
[23:30] <ybit> http://sprunge.us/BLLM
[23:33] <ybit> already fetched kdelibs5-dev
[23:33] <ybit> maybe i need to install kdelibs5-experimental-dev
[23:51] <Torch> ybit: no. -dev packages are for when you want to _build_ software from sources on your own
[23:58] <ybit> which i suppose was helped to have when i just built it from source and got it to run :)
[23:59]  * ybit creates quick screencast of his desktop