[04:19] <mhall119> pleia2: talk to cjohnston about that, but we're going to try and roll all of uds.u.c into the same Django instance as summit.u.c
[05:20] <jcastro> mhall119: you have uds.u.c wordpress access too
[05:20] <jcastro> I checked it today
[07:48] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:19] <dholbach> good morning
[08:54]  * czajkowski hugs dholbach 
[08:55] <nigelb> Hey dholbach, jono :)
[08:56] <dholbach> hey nigelb, hey jono
[08:56]  * dholbach hugs czajkowski
[08:59] <jono> hey nigelb, dholbach
[09:00] <nigelb> Is anyone else seeing slowness in logging into the wiki?
[11:22] <mainerror> Morning.
[11:23] <mainerror> I was so excited about the next UDS location yesterday and when I found out where it was going to be I was sad. :(
[11:24] <popey> why?
[11:25] <mainerror> Well I was hoping that it is going to be somewhere in Europe again.
[11:25] <mainerror> I'm not sure if I'll be able to afford the flight to Oakland.
[11:26] <JanC> mainerror: too bad, but it's probably going to be in Europe again in the fall
[11:29] <mainerror> We'll see. With some luck I can find a way to get there.
[11:31] <mainerror> Sneak on board of a plane somehow. :P
[11:32] <popey> JanC: dont think so
[11:32] <JanC> popey: not?
[11:32] <popey> probably back in florida
[11:36] <mainerror> :(
[11:36] <mainerror> Actually more like this :*(
[11:47] <nigelb> popey: No more europe? :(
[11:50] <popey> dunno
[11:50] <popey> europe is expensive
[11:50] <nigelb> Europe is easier for a visa.
[11:50] <popey> bummer
[11:50] <AlanBell> taipei maybe
[11:50] <JanC> Europe is a lot less expensive for many of us  ;)
[11:51] <popey> yay, JanC is going to pay for the venue
[11:51] <JanC> venues are much cheaper in the US?
[11:51] <popey> much
[11:51] <popey> like half the price
[11:54] <JanC> unless you can find something like a university to provide the location, I suppose...  (but that would be difficult at the times of the year UDS is held)
[11:56] <nigelb> popey: wow. Did not know that.
[11:56] <JanC> maybe we can make it a camping-UDS instead (somewhat like CCCamp ;) )
[11:57] <nigelb> I guess with UDS becoming overall more expensive, this was to be seen.
[11:57] <popey> we are never going to please everyone
[11:57] <AlanBell> there are camping based events, UDS isn't really one of them :)
[11:58] <AlanBell> but a europe based camping ubucon sounds an interesting idea, get on it JanC  :)
[11:58] <nigelb> I guess, if I decide to go, I'll have to bite it and apply for visa again.
[11:58] <nigelb> s/go/apply for sponsorship to go/
[12:08] <jussi> I still wish they would put UDS here: http://www.scandichotels.com/Hotels/Countries/Finland/Helsinki/Hotels/Scandic-Grand-Marina/
[12:08] <jussi> then I could go without sponsorship :D
[12:08] <nigelb> yeah, I kinda feel jealous about cjohnston and mhall119 :)
[12:09] <JanC> jussi: isn't Scandinavia even more expensive than the rest of Europe?  ;)
[12:09] <jussi> and given there are direct flights to Helsinki from most parts of the world, including the US and asia...
[12:10] <mainerror> London would be great but I guess London is also quite expensive.
[12:10] <mainerror> I have no idea though.
[12:10] <JanC> but prices in Southern Europe shouldn't be that high?
[12:10] <nigelb> I wish we'd do something like Singapore or Hong Kong.
[12:10] <jussi> JanC: southern and eastern europe....
[12:10] <jussi> hence prague, budapest, sevilla, barcelona etc
[12:11] <mainerror> Bucharest. I have some good connections over there.
[12:11] <jussi> I think one of the issues is the "day money"
[12:11] <JanC> they should think about Greece or Portugal maybe
[12:11] <jussi> JanC: hehe
[12:12] <duanedesign> o/ morning friends
[12:12] <popey> its not just the cost
[12:12] <popey> there's the service too
[12:12] <JanC> I'm not joking, the fall edition would be just after the summer season, so hotels will be empty by then...
[12:12] <JanC> especially in greece
[12:12] <mainerror> popey: What exactly do you mean?
[12:13] <popey> What do you think I mean when I say 'service' ☺
[12:13] <popey> the USA has service nailed
[12:14] <JanC> in what way?
[12:14] <popey> friendlyness, efficiency
[12:14] <popey> IMHO
[12:15] <mainerror> Others don't?
[12:15] <popey> Yup. IMO
[12:15] <popey> I include the UK in the 'others dont' btw
[12:16] <mainerror> Well I'm just gonna say I disagree.
[12:17] <popey> have you travelled much?
[12:18] <JanC> what I remember from NYC almost 20 years ago, my experiences were rather mixed there in that respect...  ;)
[12:18] <popey> NYC is not a UDS venue
[12:18] <JanC> but then again, some people say NYC is not America ;)
[12:18] <AlanBell> NYC and florida near disney are not the same at all
[12:19] <popey> I don't want to get into a xenophobic argument about which country is best, just that in my experience it seems USA do this quite well.
[12:27] <JanC> well, I have no experience with any UDS in the US, so I really can't compare, just wondering what makes them more friendly/efficient...  ☺
[12:37] <popey> dunno, it's a cultural thing
[12:48] <Pendulum> JanC: some of it in hotels and restaurants would be attempts to keep their jobs
[12:49] <Pendulum> one of my friends was a waitress for a major US restaurant chain and 3 complaints and you were out (even if a complaint was something you had no control over
[12:51] <Pendulum> In my experience service varies widely around the US
[12:52] <Pendulum> Orlando area caters to tourists so has extra good service
[12:52] <Pendulum> generally I've had good luck in San Francisco (not been to Oakland more than to drive through it)
[12:53] <Pendulum> in New York it's hit or miss, especially as a tourist, because plenty of places really cater to locals and don't want tourists. Places that do want tourists are often crowded which does lower levels of service.
[12:56] <popey> I was walking through Times Square once and someone walked up to me and asked for directions ☺
[13:46] <akgraner> popey, woo themes rock!
[13:47] <akgraner> Oh the choices :-)
[13:51] <popey> yeah :D
[13:52] <JanC> popey: wait until you get Japanese tourists, speaking something I only recognized as something remotely resembling French after trying to understand them for more than a minute, ask you for directions in the maze that some parts of the inner city of Bruges are ;)
[13:54] <JanC> (fortunately they had a Japanese city guide with photographs & a map on which I could point where they were and where they had to end up—but I'm pretty sure they had to ask more times to get there)
[15:23] <jcastro> mhall119: around?
[15:27] <mhall119> jcastro: I am
[15:28] <jcastro> ok I'm going to test sponsorship
[15:29] <jcastro> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/sponsorship/
[15:29] <jcastro> can you submit one too?
[15:29] <jcastro> I just submit a few tests
[15:29] <jcastro> then delete them
[15:29] <jcastro> then we can give bacon thumbs up
[15:29] <mhall119> apply myself, or suggest someone?
[15:29] <jcastro> ooh
[15:29] <jcastro> suggest someone
[15:29] <jcastro> I'll apply normal
[15:30] <jcastro> Forbidden (403)
[15:30] <jcastro> CSRF verification failed. Request aborted.
[15:30] <jcastro> ruh roh
[15:30] <mhall119> ack! 403 error
[15:31] <mhall119> django 1.3
[15:32] <jcastro> is it cjohnston's fault?
[15:33] <cjohnston> no
[15:34] <mhall119> cjohnston: let me get a fix for it, give me 10 minutes
[15:35] <cjohnston> I won't be home for a few hours
[15:35] <mhall119> django 1.3 added the requirement to pass a CSRF token around in all forms, so we need to update our templates
[15:35] <cjohnston> while your at it, code in user roles
[15:35] <mhall119> cjohnston: no
[15:46] <jcastro> hey, thanks everyone who copy edited uds.ubuntu.com with the right info
[15:46] <jcastro> HIGH FIVE
[16:01] <jcastro> mhall119: any progress?
[16:01] <jcastro> I get the feeling jono wants to announce sponsorships today
[16:02] <jono> jcastro, nope
[16:02] <jono> jcastro, I am happy to wait
[16:02] <jcastro> mhall119: ^
[16:20] <jcastro> jono: Don't forget that joomla intro
[16:20] <jcastro> if you can get that to me by the end of the week I can start working with the guy
[16:20] <jono> jcastro, Joomla! ?
[16:21] <jono> you mean Drupal
[16:21] <jcastro> bah, right
[16:21] <jcastro> sorry
[16:21] <jcastro> CMSes, I can never get them right
[16:21] <jono> no worries :-)
[16:22] <mhall119> jcastro: jono: almost done, I'm writing test cases to make sure we catch this if it's ever a problem again
[16:23] <jcastro> I love how you roll dude
[16:26] <jono> thanks mhall119
[16:26] <jono> :-)
[16:33] <cprofitt> hey jono
[16:33] <jono> hey cprofitt
[16:33] <jono> how is the cheese doing?
[16:33] <jono> I saw the pic on planet
[16:34] <jono> looks like a giant block of swiss cheese :-)
[16:34] <cprofitt> interesting 'device', heh?
[16:34] <jono> heh, yup
[16:35] <cprofitt> jono: have you spoken to or heard from randall recently?
[16:36] <jcastro> also, has anyone heard from persia?
[16:36] <cprofitt> I have not jcastro
[16:37] <jono> cprofitt, nope
[16:37] <cprofitt> thanks jono -- we are supposed to work on community days together, but i have not heard back from him... so was just curious.
[16:38] <cprofitt> you guys all have a great holiday and new year
[16:38] <jono> cprofitt, yeah, we should talk more
[16:38] <jono> I saw he blogged yesterday
[16:39] <cprofitt> yeah -- I saw the blog post too... made me think my email mght gave gone spam filter...
[16:40] <cprofitt> jono: you want to discuss community days?
[16:40] <cprofitt> i gotta say one hand typing is not fun.
[16:40] <jono> cprofitt, at some point
[16:40] <jono> next year
[16:41] <cprofitt> sounds good -- just let me know.
[16:56] <mhall119> cjohnston: nigelb: are one of you around to review a quick patch to the summit production branch?
[16:58] <cprofitt> mhall119: when i get back to two hands i will try to work with you guys on summit again -- sorry for the delay on my end
[16:58] <mhall119> cprofitt: no worries, I just need to get a patch out today
[17:09] <cprofitt> lunch time -- bbl
[17:26] <mhall119> jcastro: I've requested the the fix be deployed, once IS has that done we'll test it again
[17:26] <jcastro> rock
[17:27] <mhall119> I fixed the sponsorship, suggestion, and non-launchpad suggestion forms
[17:27] <mhall119> there may be more, I'll work on more extensive tests later
[17:51] <jcastro> oh
[17:51] <mhall119> jcastro: please try again, I was able to submit one
[17:55] <mhall119> jcastro: something's broken with sponsorship suggestions, a permission error on the server, trying to resolve it now
[17:58] <dholbach> alright my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow!
[17:58] <jcastro> trying now mhall119
[17:58] <jcastro> dholbach: cya!
[17:59] <jcastro> ok it submitted
[18:00] <mhall119> jcastro: looks like launchpadlib didn't have write access to it's cache directory on the server, fixing now
[18:01] <mhall119> jcastro: ok, submitted a suggestion via launchpad name, that's working now
[18:01] <jcastro> \o/
[18:02] <jcastro> mhall119: ok so the only thing needed is a deadline date put on the page with the "request sponsorship" button
[18:02] <jcastro> but jono will tell us when that is
[18:04] <mhall119> ok
[18:07] <mhall119> jcastro: non-launchpad suggestions work too
[18:07] <mhall119> jcastro: do you want to delete these sponsorship record, or do you want me to?
[18:09] <jcastro> go ahead
[18:09] <jcastro> I usually leave a joke Daniel record around for track leads to vote on
[18:09]  * jcastro whistles
[18:09] <jcastro> special diet needs: MEAT
[18:09] <jcastro> etc.
[18:09] <popey> something on uds.ubuntu.com is killing my browser
[18:10] <popey> Script: http://uds.ubuntu.com/wp-includes/js/jquery/jquery.js?ver=1.6.1:17
[18:10] <mhall119> popey: your browser can't handle jquery?
[18:11] <popey> it was fine earlier, my browser froze up and switched to that tab randomly
[18:11]  * popey suspects a memory leak
[18:11] <mhall119> is it the main page of uds.u.c?
[18:12] <popey> yes
[18:12] <mhall119> if so, it's likely the jquery slide-show
[18:12] <popey> i have had it open for 3 hours
[18:12] <mhall119> ah, that might make a difference, yeah
[18:12] <popey> i have had lots of things open for 3 hours ☺
[18:13] <mhall119> me too, for days even, just not uds.u.c
[18:13] <popey> heh
[18:24] <mhall119> jcastro: are we doing a call today?
[18:25] <jcastro> sure
[18:25] <jcastro> I am running way late on lunch though
[18:25] <jcastro> so I would like to go get some
[18:25] <jcastro> what's your timeline?
[18:26] <mhall119> I'm technically off the rest of today
[18:26] <mhall119> but I have to have a call with someone in ISD too, I'll see if he's available
[18:51] <mhall119> jcastro: okay, I'm ready whenever you are
[18:51] <jcastro> I have to step out for a minute
[18:51] <jcastro> argh
[18:51] <jcastro> where is my day going
[18:52] <jcastro> can you call my phone in like 5 minutes?
[18:52] <mhall119> sure, PM me the number
[18:53] <jcastro> 248-677-1006
[18:53] <jcastro> the wonders of a google voice #
[18:53] <jcastro> :)
[18:53] <mhall119> ok, 5 minutes, go!
[18:56] <popey> 28
[18:56] <popey> bah!
[19:03] <mhall119> jcastro: ring ring
[19:04] <mhall119> no answer, he doesn't love me anymore :(
[19:33] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha popey; it should arrive tomorrow =D
[19:37] <bkerensa> Happy Holidays All!
[19:37] <MrChrisDruif> Aloha bkerensa; thanks. You too!
[20:19] <popey> yay
[20:19] <popey> jcastro: you use ubuntu 64-bit and google talk?
[20:20] <jcastro> yessir
[20:20] <popey> i cant get it installed
[20:20] <popey> wants lib32v4l-0
[20:20] <jcastro> what's the problem?
[20:20] <jcastro> precise?
[20:20] <popey> ya
[20:20] <jcastro> yeah I think that's broken
[20:20] <jcastro> for new installs
[20:20] <jcastro> but not upgrades
[20:20] <jcastro> I am pretty sure the v4l thing is kernel related
[20:20] <popey> balls
[20:21] <popey> i think its a dependancy problem
[20:21] <jcastro> there's a workaround iirc
[20:21] <popey> google talk plugin wants a 32-bit lib
[20:21] <popey> for a 64-bit deb this seems silly
[20:21] <jcastro> but I don't know who to ask
[20:21] <jcastro> I don't know who would know, but I would guess maybe slangasek?
[20:21] <jcastro> he's multiarch hero
[20:22] <jcastro> and the head of my order, he'll know what to do </gandalf>
[20:22] <popey> ☺
[20:22] <popey> one year till hobbit
[20:22] <popey> sheesh
[20:22] <jcastro> it looks so great
[20:22] <MrChrisDruif> gtalk also works for me on ubuntu 64 (oneiric)
[20:22] <jcastro> I am glad they didn't show anything
[20:22] <jcastro> just the characters
[20:22] <jcastro> I didn't want to see smaug, or the armies, or any of that
[20:23] <jcastro> just a tease of dialog, which was enough to make me basically cry with joy.
[20:23] <jcastro> MrChrisDruif: yeah it's a Precise problem
[20:23] <MrChrisDruif> Nice LOTR reference jcastro ;-)
[20:23] <popey> hmm, wonder if my laptop works
[20:23] <popey> also 12.04 64-bit
[20:23] <popey> but upgraded only today
[21:00] <mhall119> working on business card concepts, what do you guys think? http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/business_card.png
[21:02] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; what are YOUR points of worry?
[21:02] <MrChrisDruif> Or just asking for general feedback?
[21:03] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: general feedback
[21:03] <mhall119> MrChrisDruif: my concern is that it's too busy
[21:03] <mhall119> or doesn't get the information across
[21:03] <MrChrisDruif> What should it reflect? What kind of info do you want to give with that business card?
[21:04] <mhall119> basically as much identity and contact information as I can, while still looking nice
[21:04] <AlanBell> yeah, too busy
[21:04] <jcastro> mhall119: too busy
[21:04] <MrChrisDruif> What are does random numbers in the top and bottom bar?
[21:04] <jcastro> mhall119: there's an ubuntu template isn't there?
[21:04] <mhall119> top is gpg fingerprint, bottom is ssh fingerprint
[21:05] <MrChrisDruif> And besides being (too) busy, I had to think twice on how to get information from it
[21:06] <AlanBell> ah, I kind of get the point now, you are mhall119 at all of those online services
[21:06] <MrChrisDruif> Also, remember the people your giving it to will not know about gpg or ssh (just expect them NOT to, you might be surprised by the one or two that do)
[21:07] <MrChrisDruif> AlanBell; yes, I told you I had to think twice on how to get information from it? ;-)
[21:07] <mhall119> AlanBell: yeah, and mhall119@ both gmail.com and ubuntu.com
[21:07] <AlanBell> I knew what they were, but I would have no idea what I should do with that information
[21:07] <MrChrisDruif> That would be my second point about them
[21:08] <jcastro> mhall119: just make an orange/ubuntu version of the Canonical cards
[21:08] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/photos/116015965439782966698/albums/5351476513609664321/5689062364098511506
[21:09] <MrChrisDruif> Also, the size I looked at it at first was much larger then an actual business card would be. When I scaled it down to about the right size, those numbers in the top and bottom bar got hard to read ;-)
[21:09] <cjohnston> thats nice jcastro
[21:09] <jcastro> :)
[21:10] <MrChrisDruif> Indeed jcastro ;-)
[21:10] <AlanBell> jcastro: yes, your business card does convey a professional image
[21:11] <MrChrisDruif> Btw, being mysterious might also be a good idea. I'm thinking about using a qr-code on my future business cards
[21:11] <mhall119> jcastro: I wanted to be unique
[21:11] <cjohnston> ahh
[21:11] <jcastro> yeah I want a QR code on the back
[21:12] <jcastro> I've been debating personal cards in this style: http://about.me/jorge.castro
[21:12]  * MrChrisDruif suddenly got a pretty clear picture in his head for his business cards! =P
[21:12] <cjohnston> that one would be cool jcastro
[21:13] <jcastro> <--- off irc to get work done
[21:13] <jcastro> mhall119: see ya on the flip side!
[21:13] <MrChrisDruif> Got a link to the right post by accident jcastro ? I'm not seeing post on that link...
[21:13] <jcastro> and if I don't see ya'll tomorrow I'll be on a boat all next week
[21:13] <cjohnston> i do quite like mine: http://ubuntuone.com/0Z1zOUYcWVLHnKlNjzMkyc
[21:14] <MrChrisDruif> cjohnston; why skype?
[21:14] <cjohnston> why not?
[21:14] <MrChrisDruif> Ekiga?
[21:14] <cjohnston> I was skyping with a bunch of people often
[21:15]  * MrChrisDruif has been listening to RMS again ^_^
[21:15] <cjohnston> MrChrisDruif: i dont know anyone who uses ekiga
[21:15] <MrChrisDruif> I...recently ^_^
[21:16] <cjohnston> i got the business card shortly after the new design
[21:16] <MrChrisDruif> OOTB does Skype do a better job...but just configuring a bit and it *should* work now with Ekiga
[21:17] <mhall119> jcastro: have fun
[21:17] <AlanBell> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Hackfests/ATK2012 would be nice for Canonical to send someone to that
[23:36] <mhall119> AlanBell: MrChrisDruif: is this better? file:///home/mhall/projects/Ubuntu/business_card.png
[23:36] <mhall119>  bah, helps if I give you a link you can access, huh?
[23:37] <mhall119> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mhall119/business_card.png
[23:38] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, I think that should help ;-)
[23:39] <MrChrisDruif> mhall119; what is that com in the top?
[23:39] <mhall119> is the mhall119.com obvious?
[23:39] <mhall119> heh, answers that question
[23:43] <AlanBell> looks better, but it is a bit unconventional
[23:43] <mhall119> yeah, I was going for unconventional