[00:00] yea got really old Debian CDs (woody I think) and some Suse shit with a DVD that has fedora red hat and Ubuntu hardy on it [00:03] zleap: how old are you? [00:03] I'm only 14 [00:03] 36 [00:04] got interested in computers from the age of like 8 [00:04] same here [00:04] well, interested in the workings anyway [00:04] I was always addicted to oca [00:04] PCs [00:04] well 10 i guess but i was using games consoles before that [00:04] typo [00:04] tht pc I was discussing with AlanBell [00:06] wood is debian 3 iirc [00:06] woody [00:07] right i have posted an e-mail to the list with the whole out put listed, [00:07] see if I get any help from that [00:08] paln you seen this www.raspberrypi.org [00:08] arm based mini computer [00:10] armv6 :/ [00:11] yeah [00:11] so it can't boot ubuntu :) [00:11] zleap: yea I have [00:11] on omg Ubuntu [00:11] looks pretty good i think [00:12] i just wondered what theywill put in any IT programming related curriculum though [00:12] true [00:12] IT has always been secretary training, and always will be [00:12] yeah [00:12] I'm doing a BTEC IT course right now [00:12] programming has no place in secretarial classes [00:12] even programming will be business related [00:13] all it is is working with MS Access ATM [00:13] e;g wirite a program to connect to a data base containing business data [00:13] word training, excel training, powerpoint training. that's IT. [00:13] rather than what would work with students at school write a game with a database back end [00:13] directhex: I know exactly what u mean [00:13] I think they want Computing and IT [00:14] computing being programming etc, thing is during the 80;s we just got on with it at home and did far better teaching ourselves than any teacher could in most cases [00:14] but programming is a different story [00:14] i never did IT at GCSE or higher level. i already knew how to drive excel [00:14] computer science a-level though [00:14] VERY rare to be available [00:14] I know this great site wibit.net for programming tutorials [00:15] you heard of snake wrangling for kids (python book) [00:15] during the 80's kids were trained to be programmers, courtesy of the BBC [00:15] zleap: nope [00:15] and shock horror, in the 90s the UK was the global powerhouse in games development [00:15] and sinclair, commodore etc [00:15] totally unrelated, i'm sure [00:15] this is the aim of the raspberryPI [00:15] directhex: never knew that [00:15] only programmikng needs t be fun [00:16] take a look at some of the programming in C vids on wibit.net [00:16] there pretty funny at times [00:17] we've had successions of political leaders who view subjects like computing as a joke, so go out of their way to sideline them in favour of stuff they perceive as more important [00:17] for the UK to be #1, every child should be taught to code just as much as they're taught chemistry or physics [00:17] directhex: very true [00:17] directhex: but I don't agree with you there [00:17] surely its about thinking skills too [00:18] if people want to do programming they should be encouraged, helped, etc [00:18] directhex: students should have a passion for the subject [00:18] paln, i agree there [00:18] paln, yes, but how do you provide sufficient exposure to *everyone* for a passion to form in kids who aren't naturally predisposed? [00:19] also if u did gcse computing its exam based, whenin the real world is a development task like an exam, in the real world you collaborate on projects [00:19] however technology is becoming a larger part of our lives, and always has been [00:19] if you make comsci elective, the only ones who try it will be white males with glasses and at least one PC at home [00:19] there's a reason they force-feed a bunch of subjects to everyone [00:19] if you look at the gold and platinum ingots to pass you HAVE to do X hours of real world project work in OSS [00:20] so help with a project in someway, not just programming but say writing docs etc [00:20] not everyone takes those on to a-level or degree, but everyone gets a grounding [00:20] u both have points, but even if the governments wanted to implement a scheme like this, t would take at least a decade to become mainstream in schools nationwide [00:20] plus you need the teachers to teach it, to me that should be Ex industry people [00:20] so people who have been there, done programming etc, [00:21] zleap: obviously necessary [00:21] but how many teachers come from school to uni, to teaching [00:21] teachers without real world experience would just be plain useless [00:21] paln, i suggest you look into the history of the BBC Computer Literacy Project [00:21] unless its theory [00:22] directhex: will do , sit [00:22] *sir [00:22] even in other topics such as enginnering a good teacher who has done a job can share experiencs and stories to make lessons far more interesting and dynamic and they inspire people [00:22] or does Jo Shields imply you're a woman? [00:22] sorry.. :/ [00:22] paln: have you ever met any teachers? [00:22] paln, plus there's the BBC dramatization Micro Men, which is fun to watch [00:23] when I moved down to Glasgow about a decade ago my then-gf was sharing a flat with two primary school teachers [00:23] I'm 14, so I've only ever encountered teachers for IT when I have my IT classes [00:23] they were interested in almost *nothing* [00:24] and so I only know teachers on a school basis [00:24] they'd come in, Jen would maybe go to rugby practice (okay, she was a keen rugby player on the Strathclyde Uni women's team) [00:24] most teachers I have experience with can use a computer for what they need, asking them to teach IT may not work [00:24] and then it would be a fun-filled night of the Friends box set and bacardi and coke [00:24] and occasionally, bacardi and coke and coca-cola [00:24] gordonjcp: lol [00:25] the two of them got through a frankly astounding amount of prang [00:25] brb [00:25] k [00:25] paln: just wait until you meet your teachers socially after you've left school [00:26] i would much rather see people join the ubuntu or OSS comminity with a willingness to learn [00:26] think the most embarrassing "meeting teachers in a social setting" was when I was in sixth year and a couple of friends and I bumped into three of our teachers in the pub [00:26] when we'd gone off a bit early for a wee pub lunch [00:26] ... and they'd done the same thing [00:26] oops [00:26] i takeit you mean sixth form [00:26] we just kind of nodded in mutual recognition and never spoke of it [00:26] yes [00:26] as to me sixth year is like last year at primary [00:27] ah, no, in Scotland that's the same as sixth form [00:27] ie. 17-18 [00:27] ah [00:27] zleap, and 6th form? [00:27] ok i get it [00:27] I just wondered if it is still called 6th form [00:27] :) [00:28] * gordonjcp doesn't know [00:28] yes [00:28] it was 20 years ago now... [00:28] also key stage 5 i think [00:28] key stage? [00:28] national curriculim [00:28] where they learn how to pick locks of level 5 [00:28] :/ [00:29] so reception KS 1/2 = primary 3 secondary >14 14 - 16 = ks 4 and ks5 is As and A level [00:30] I guess numbering things in order is to help the younger generation to count ;) [00:31] unfortunately, I never reaped the benefits of such a system [00:31] \o/ [00:31] 3 of my friends became teachers [00:32] but they only did it because they sort of failed at uni [00:32] :/ [00:32] * hamitron does wonder if they are the right people for such a task [00:34] haha [00:34] those who can, do those who can't, teach [00:35] apply that to programming and all the top programmers will do that job, those that fail will end up teaching if you apply that statement [00:35] zleap: nice analogy [00:35] thanks [00:35] tbh, listening to the nice wages teachers get, I've been tempted [00:35] :) [00:35] anyways, night guys, i just realised ts half past tomorrow [00:36] ok nite [00:36] well now it's today [00:36] but whatever [00:36] 3 days till xmas too [00:36] bye!!! [00:36] bye [00:36] zleap: yep [00:36] I need someone to write my xmas cards :/ [00:36] oh well back to re-installing windows tomorrow so i can print [00:46] what has happened to the search routine [00:52] why does locate say a file exists when it does not even exist [00:54] because it got removed between cron.daily and now? [00:54] if you want live results, use find. [00:58] evening Nafallo [01:00] night rather :-P. hi there directhex [01:01] ok [07:22] !seen AlanBell [07:22] I have no seen command [07:25] hey [07:29] hey [07:34] hey mardi === OriginalName is now known as fdgdhdfth [07:44] AlanBell: You there? [07:47] aloha [07:49] morning [08:43] hello all [08:53] did czajkowski get home yesterday? [08:53] danfish: as far as i remember she did! [08:53] MooDoo: a christmas miracle ;) [08:53] danfish: I did indeed [08:54] list [08:54] with only an hr delayed in total so not too bad [08:55] yeah! Is the emerald isle a christmas wonderland this year? [08:55] * danfish did the xmas food shopping at 0600 this am. No queues :) [08:57] danfish: no it's really mild and long may it stay that way [09:00] yeah, I do not understand this desire for christmas to be bitterly cold [09:14] morning all [09:14] morning [09:14] o/ paln [09:21] TheOpenSourcerer: cheeky ! :) [09:22] :-D [09:22] Surprised? [09:25] nope not really [09:25] its very you :) [09:25] *it's [09:25] hey guys [09:26] what we talking about? [09:26] The word "awesome" [09:27] making sure czajkowski got home safe and she did [09:27] really? [09:27] BigRedS: awsome, [09:27] MooDoo: really? Awesome! [09:27] BigRedS: lol [09:27] who's czajkowski [09:27] paln: it's her -----------> [09:28] paln: https://launchpad.net/~czajkowski [09:28] what are you pointing to MooDoo [09:28] paln: i'm pointing to laura :D [09:29] so what is everyone up to for Christmas? [09:29] is czajkowski Laura then I presume? [09:29] I am [09:29] paln: maybe a better link - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czajkowski [09:29] AlanBell: yay it's you again! :P [09:29] yus [09:29] paln: a very active member of the ubuntu community and part of the loco coucil and various others.... [09:30] MooDoo: cool [09:30] AlanBell: working boxing day, other than that, spending time with family [09:30] and playing with my new camera :D [09:30] I need to use XChat -- I'm on an iPhone ATM === AlanBell changed the topic of #ubuntu-uk to: Welcome to #ubuntu-uk! http://ubuntu-uk.org | This channel is publicly archived http://irclogs.ubuntu.com | Mailing List http://tinyurl.com/uukml | Support Guidelines http://tinyurl.com/uuksupport | Meeting 12th January 21:00 UK time #ubuntu-uk-meeting | ❄ ☃ ❅ ❆ [09:31] snowman looked a bit lonely without some snowflakes [09:31] looks like AlanBell is being a smarty pants :) [09:31] AlanBell: say, if I order a CD and take that pesky RAM off your hands, how muh do you think p+p would be? [09:32] AlanBell: lol at the snowflakes [09:32] * paln smiles gleefully [09:32] paln: second class large stamp on the inside and outside of the stamped addressed envelope [09:33] so basically you're gonna know my address [09:33] oh no... [09:33] shock horror! [09:33] STALKER!! [09:33] and you will know mine first [09:33] I know, I just realised [09:33] STALKER!! [09:33] AlanBell: copied and pasted [09:34] alright then , I might do that ;) [09:35] I got a duck for Christmas yay! [09:35] they only had while turkeys and nobody's coming round for Xmas dinner [09:35] * whole [09:37] no! you've all left me to die on IRC! [09:38] seriously though, where've you guys gone? [09:38] everyone is here [09:38] but mostly at work and stuff [09:39] ah... [09:39] * BigRedS admits to doing some work for a change [09:39] well I don't understand "work", being a teen [09:39] Morning all [09:39] popey: I remember you! [09:39] Ruh Roh [09:39] actually, no, I got distracted writing an awesome one-liner that doesn't really save any time [09:39] from sometime last year [09:39] is that good or bad? [09:40] AlanBell: I asked popey the same question I asked you [09:40] alas, Lubuntu was kinda crap back then [09:40] popey: yes...why wouldn't it be? [09:40] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/15/%23ubuntu-uk.html#t18:52 [09:40] ^^^ when you were here in 2010 ☺ [09:42] Morning [09:45] Is there a way in an SSH session that I can open a file on the SSH server for editing with a local text editor on the client system? (gedit, for example) [09:46] popey: I just read through [09:46] kvarley: yes [09:46] kvarley: sshfs [09:47] kvarley: in nautilus file-connect to server then choose ssh [09:47] it is then accessible in gedit and most gnome applications [09:47] popey: how did you find that log so quickly? [09:47] I am awesome with google skills [09:48] popey: google? irc chat logs are indexed by google? I did not know that. [09:48] AlanBell: Thank you, I forgot to mention though that I'm on lubuntu not straight ubuntu. So I only have access to PCManFM [09:48] yes [09:48] paln uk site:irclogs.ubuntu.com [09:48] kvarley: in that case sshfs all the way as popey said [09:48] is what I searched for [09:49] popey: sshfs is brilliant! [09:50] sshfs works with everything too [09:50] popey: Next question is...How do I end the session and unmount the fs from the directory I mounted it too? [09:50] popey: I know I've been using t a lot [09:50] kvarley: umount [09:50] I just didn't know google indexed that site [09:50] popey: Ah ok, that will close the session tidily? [09:50] kvarley: assuming files are closed, ya [09:51] popey: Ok, thanks for the help...Again =D [09:51] X11 forwarding gedit fromt he remote machine is a lot less hassle [09:51] paln: google indexes everything [09:51] ali1234: sshfs is rediculously simple too [09:51] BigRedS: not everything [09:52] just about 99.999 recurring % of things [09:52] well, everything you don't specifically ask it to not [09:53] BigRedS: yeah... [09:55] AlanBell: could you hand me a link to the instructions for getting a free cd? or just write them here or something? [09:55] http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ [09:59] heyo \o [10:00] HazRPG: yo yo yo! [10:00] MartijnVdS: sup dude ^_^ [10:00] strangely enough, I'm looking forward to going to Egypt [10:01] I will be there before new years :) (just in time for my mum's birthday) [10:02] is there a way to stop unity for having my mod4+T as my bin shortcut... because I prefer using that for terminal [10:03] popey: How can I mount the sshfs in /media without manually creating a directory there. Like with my hard drive partitions, they are automatically mounted there with the drive ID or label. [10:03] pass [10:03] you can't [10:04] lol [10:04] ok [10:04] thanks anyway [10:04] kvarley: Can't it be scripted? [10:04] TheOpenSourcerer: Yes, I was just wondering if there way a magic way lol [10:04] http://www.debuntu.org/2006/04/27/39-mounting-a-fuse-filesystem-form-etcfstab [10:04] Good morning peeps :) [10:05] sshfs#my-remote-user@my-remote-host:/home/my-remote-user /my-local-filesystem/remotefs fuse defaults 0 0 [10:05] An line for fstab [10:12] do you think I could get SDR ram higher than 512mb [10:12] TheOpenSourcerer: Thanks =] [10:13] HazRPG: lol same [10:13] as me [10:13] paln: the bin shortcut? [10:13] oh the mod4+t shortcut ^_^ [10:14] yeah its currently irritating me that it opens the bin instead of respecting my keyboard shortcuts :( [10:14] HazRPG: haha yea I used Win+T up to natty when they switched to Unity [10:14] I prefer unity, but that shortcut pissed me off at first [10:14] I've got used to Ctrl-Alt-T since [10:15] ctrl+alt+t does nothing on mine :P [10:15] I think its cos I have it configured to win+t [10:15] HazRPG: hehe I also use Ctrl-Shift-Esc to open gnome-system-monitor [10:16] computer systems <3 [10:16] like task manager in XP and above [10:16] monsterwizard: i guess machines do have feelings [10:16] paln: heh, I never use gnome-system-monitor, I find its too much of a resource hog >_<, so I use htop (much thanks to AlanBell who recommended me it about a year ago :)) [10:16] towards me ? [10:17] they want to stuff you in the trash rather than open a console [10:17] paln: htop is a terminal tool though, but I find its more effective :) [10:17] HazRPG: I only ever use it to kill processes [10:17] that or kill all in the terminal [10:18] * killall [10:18] hehe [10:18] ive really got nothing to do at the moment , so I'm watching iCarly on nickelodeon :P [10:19] heh [10:19] but it's my sisters friends sons birthday today so I'm going to the party and some play area [10:19] he's 3 [10:20] and my sisters friend is also my friends cousin [10:20] small world [10:20] gord: did you see HazRPG's question? are the shortcuts used by unity hard-wired? like Win+T for Trash (Rubbish bin!) [10:21] Waste Basket [10:21] Using xubuntu-desktop I get to see all 3 versions! [10:21] http://popey.com/~alan/bootcharts/mbp-oneiric-20111222-1.png [10:21] popey: I hate how Ubuntu uses American English [10:21] popey: thanks dude :) [10:21] hmmmmmmm [10:21] paln: where does it use american english? [10:21] but it's trash on the unity launcher and wastebasket in nautilus [10:22] blame GNOME [10:22] I keep trying to get that fixed [10:22] it says rubbish bin on mine [10:22] popey: quite often, actually [10:22] its rubbish bin on mine too [10:22] rubbish bin on the unity launcher and rubbish bin in nautilus for me [10:22] popey: yea, I might as well [10:22] but I use unity, so that's really plausible(!) [10:23] so any suggestions for speeding up boot of my laptop ^^^ [10:23] install gentoo [10:23] popey: get a chrome book and stick Linux on it [10:23] that's all I got [10:23] paln: is everything set to use en_gb? [10:24] I just upgraded to 11.04 yesterday, but I can also confirm it says rubbish bin on both - however! In the "location bar" it shows "trash:///" [10:24] popey: oh you could change the GDP mode of GRUB2 or whatever you're using to 800x600 [10:24] bigcalm: yep, I always run through the settings when I install something [10:24] paln: technically a chrome book /is/ has a linux O/S on it [10:24] I have OCD like that :D [10:25] HazRPG: even better, means that it won't be slower at all ! :P [10:25] paln: OCD? Don't start playing minecraft then :P [10:25] * GDP is sposed to be GFX [10:26] * popey removes landscape-client [10:26] bigcalm: I'm not a big fan of FPS games [10:26] hehe [10:26] it's not so much a FPS, as an FPC game [10:26] fpc? [10:26] creation [10:26] ah [10:26] construction [10:27] whatever ☺ [10:27] not shooter [10:27] First Person CAD [10:27] plus, I only have a wii a pap and a ds lite [10:27] unless you like firing arrows from a bow at skellingtons [10:27] haha [10:27] BigRedS: lol google sketch up for Xbox [10:27] popey: oh, heh... speeding up the boot of your system, get an SSD ;D [10:28] *pap is psp [10:28] I'm beginning to despise autocorrect [10:28] but it's great most of the time [10:28] HazRPG: my desktop with ssd.. http://popey.com/~alan/bootcharts/wopr-precise-20111222-1.png [10:28] good morning everyone, [10:28] HazRPG: i removed the ssd because i need the space in my laptop [10:28] HazRPG: yea, that's cheap enough(!) [10:29] http://popey.com/~alan/bootcharts/mbp-oneiric-20111222-2.png gah, worse [10:29] brobostigon: ahhhh, good morning squire ^_^ [10:30] popey: ah! [10:30] paln: I plan to get an SSD for ubuntu :) [10:30] HazRPG: good morning, long time no speak. [10:30] paln: media (music, etc) will be placed on normal mediums... since you don't really get much benefit from stuff like that [10:31] brobostigon: indeed, indeed! [10:31] HazRPG: :) [10:31] irc for iPhone just crashed [10:32] brobostigon: how's things? [10:32] paln: ouch [10:32] stupid overflow of memory [10:32] HazRPG: not bad, could be better, my eczema is having another bad time,and i feel alittle ill, dry throat, headache etc. and you ? [10:33] popey: I just realised, that png you linked, that says your on kernel 3.2... is that what comes with 11.10? (my next upgrade later today) [10:33] brobostigon: I have the sniffles :P [10:33] HazRPG: which png? [10:33] popey: http://popey.com/~alan/bootcharts/wopr-precise-20111222-1.png [10:33] HazRPG: look at the url [10:33] precise ☺ [10:33] 12.04 [10:33] paln: hope you feel better soon. [10:34] brobostigon: just mild sneezing every so often [10:34] popey: oh, heh, yeah... keep forgetting that's what 12.04 is going to be called [10:34] I had worse last week [10:34] brobostigon: ouch dude, hope things ya feel better soon [10:34] Precise Pangolin [10:34] what's a pangolin? [10:34] brobostigon: I'm alright, been away for a while because I've been sorting out my move to Egypt [10:34] thy should have called it Pesky Python [10:35] HazRPG: but that'll mean you won't be in the uk anymore! [10:35]