[00:02] <greg-g> brousch: so, what was broken for you?
[00:02] <greg-g> when I resume form suspend I have to ctrl+alt+F1 then c+a+F7 to get a non-black screen
[00:02] <brousch> in xubuntu or in ubuntu one music?
[00:05] <greg-g> I guess xubuntu (figured you wree refering to Ubuntu)
[00:05] <snap-l> greg-g: Jesus, how do you keep up with the cc mailing lists?
[00:05] <snap-l> high traffic, high strawman
[00:05] <brousch> it locks up on suspend
[00:06] <brousch> so i have to hibernate, which takes like 5 minutes to reccover from
[00:07] <greg-g> brousch: ah
[00:07] <greg-g> snap-l: well, right now, I'm terribly behind
[00:07] <greg-g> ML is doing a great job, from the little I read
[00:07] <brousch> also the volume indddicators are worthless. they always show it at 0
[00:07] <snap-l> Yeah, he is, but man...
[00:07] <greg-g> yeah, I know, the craziness come out of the woodwork during this process
[00:08] <greg-g> s/craziness/crazies/
[00:08] <snap-l> Have tocommend you folks on handling the hypotheticals
[00:08] <snap-l> "What if I package my music inside the anus of a panda bear, but the panda bear is really, really crotchety"
[00:09] <snap-l> "is that the same as distribution if I send the panda bear to my brother's place, and upon arrival, it plays Brad Sucks?"
[00:09] <snap-l> "Thereby irritating the panda, and causing it to maul my brother"
[00:09] <snap-l> "I mean, it says SA, but it's up a panda ass"
[00:10] <snap-l> Also, I'm starting to think the CC handles two parts, not one
[00:10] <snap-l> distribution and remixing
[00:11] <snap-l> and both sides love to talk past the other side.
[00:11] <snap-l> sorry, I know this isn't the place to bitch about it, but just wondered about your thoughts. :)
[00:22] <greg-g> snap-l: sorry, baby duty
[00:22] <snap-l> Yeah, no worries. :)
[00:22] <greg-g> and yes, I agree re distro vs remix sub communities
[00:27] <rick_h__> Blazeix: _stink_ snap-l https://github.com/rspivak/httpcode kind of cool
[00:27] <snap-l> That's pretty cool
[00:28] <rick_h__> yea
[04:27] <rick_h__> dammit, this video is pissing me off. stuck in vesa land
[04:27] <rick_h__> this is why I get intel, so I don't have to worry about this crap
[12:36] <Wolfger> Morning.
[12:36]  * Wolfger wonders why snap-l has a panda-ass mp3 player...
[13:02] <brousch> amihere?
[13:07] <rick_h__> yes
[13:07] <rick_h__> maybe
[13:07] <brousch> thanks
[13:07] <brousch> sometimes i'm not sure with pidgin when it comes out of suspend
[13:08] <brousch> http://www.sitepoint.com/sale/?SNEAK_PEEK&utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_term=day22&utm_campaign=xmas-sale-2011
[13:14] <brousch> pdf+epub+mobi
[13:20]  * Wolfger looks around... "No, brousch, you're not here."
[13:20] <Wolfger> That would have been creepy if I looked around and he was standing there behind me.
[13:23] <snap-l> rick_h__: Did you see today's Woot?
[13:23] <rick_h_droid> yes...
[13:23] <jrwren> i wonder what ubuntu's cash situation is. could they afford to buy the IP from nv/ati and hire devs to write good drivers?
[13:24] <brousch> seems expensive. i can get a nook color for that price
[13:24] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, but you get the largest screen of all of them
[13:24] <rick_h__> eink > *
[13:24] <brousch> black and white
[13:24] <brousch> i need color damnit
[13:25] <snap-l> brousch: Right, so no Angry Birds for you.
[13:25] <rick_h__> i think we've hashed this over before
[13:25] <jrwren> why do you need color in a book reader?
[13:25] <rick_h__> sorry, saw the nook tablet last night and those jaggy's would kill me in reading
[13:25] <brousch> magazines. kids books.
[13:25] <snap-l> rick_h__: They're not that bad
[13:25] <jrwren> true. distro is beautiful in color, so is flipbook.
[13:26] <jrwren> but if you are reading like an adult... eink is excellent replacement for paperbacks
[13:26] <rick_h__> snap-l: yea, maybe over time I'd get used to it, but just in skimming there last night it was distracting
[13:27] <jrwren> i had a similar reaction to a non antialiased line recently.
[13:27] <jrwren> i thought, "why the fuck can I see the pixels jagged?"
[13:29] <snap-l> The only time I really notice it is in italicized text.
[13:29] <brousch> also having the kindle reader+nook reader+fb reader + the whole google  and amazon android markets is just nice
[13:32] <rick_h__> snap-l: it's done...
[13:32] <snap-l> rick_h__: The deed?
[13:32] <rick_h__> yea
[13:32] <snap-l> Uh oh
[13:32] <snap-l> Erica know? :)
[13:32] <rick_h__> not yet
[13:32] <snap-l> We have a couch and wifi if you need it. :)
[13:32] <rick_h__> lol
[13:33] <rick_h__> well hopefully she'll use it as well so it's part experiment for her demands
[13:33] <rick_h__> but we'll see
[13:33] <rick_h__> it's the lowest price I've seen for one even used so wtf
[13:33] <snap-l> Blame me as an accomplice. :)
[13:33] <brousch> like living before lightbulbs
[13:34] <snap-l> rick_h__: You know what this means?
[13:35] <rick_h__> snap-l: yes...a new one will be out Jan 5th
[13:35] <snap-l> Amazon will blow out of their refurbs at $199, and then do a complete refresh on the line and make it $250.
[13:35] <snap-l> It'll be the Kindle Touch DX
[13:35] <brousch> kindle DY announced for April 1. color e-ink for $249
[13:36] <snap-l> brousch: Mean
[13:36] <snap-l> Somehow I don't think the eInk will get color in that form-factor
[13:36] <snap-l> because it'll make a $500 e-ink device.
[13:38] <jjesse> brousch, sad news last year for the train at breton village mall: http://www.mlive.com/business/west-michigan/index.ssf/2011/12/man_behind_breton_village_chri.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+grpress+%28The+Grand+Rapids+Press+Latest+News+%7C+MLive.com%29&utm_content=Google+Reader
[13:39] <Wolfger> color would be nice for magazine subscriptions, but I can't think what other purpose color serves in e-book readers. I'm certainly not willing to pay a $100 (or more) premium for color.
[13:39] <snap-l> jjesse: Aw, that's sad, but very cool
[13:39] <jjesse> yeah its an awesome train setup
[13:39] <snap-l> I hope someone takes his enthusiasm
[13:40] <snap-l> DeVries said he plans to sell his pieces at auction or on eBay.
[13:40] <snap-l> Oh, that's a bummer.
[13:40] <jjesse> did i post pictures to google+?
[13:41] <jjesse> i know i did to facebook
[13:43] <snap-l> I didn't.
[13:48] <brousch> jjesse: at least we got to meet him. i made sure george thanked him for doing it
[13:48] <jjesse> we wrote a note in the book each year thanking him
[13:48] <jjesse> would be nice if someone bought the entire set and set things up
[13:48] <jjesse> but i bets its a lot of work
[13:53] <brousch> just moving it in and out is huge
[13:57] <brousch> imagine the space he has at home to store it
[14:20] <snap-l> That's why God invented Garages.
[14:20] <brousch> this would fill a 3 stall garage
[14:23] <snap-l> Is it sad that the most useful plugins I have for Firefox / Chrome are reloading plugins?
[14:23] <brousch> not bookie?
[14:24] <snap-l> Should have clarified: for work
[14:25] <brousch> my thumbnail database for digikam is 800MB
[14:25] <brousch> this does not make dropbox happy
[14:27] <Wolfger> lol
[14:27] <snap-l> 800mb of small files?
[14:27] <brousch> sqlite
[14:27] <Wolfger> what... dropbox and not Ubuntu One?
[14:28] <brousch> i suspect ubuntuone would choke and die on something like that
[14:30] <brousch> i moved it out of a synced folder. that should be better
[14:31] <brousch> it's cool that digikam gives me that level of control
[14:31] <brousch> it looks like it can also use a mysql DB
[14:31] <snap-l> so does a little thing called "UNIX"
[14:32] <snap-l> they're called "links"
[14:35] <Wolfger> snap-l: how does a link allow you to move something out of a folder?
[14:35] <snap-l> move something out of the folder
[14:36] <snap-l> do ln -s new_location old_location
[14:36] <Wolfger> but wouldn't the sync also follow that link?
[14:37] <brousch> i don't think so with dropbox
[15:36] <Wolfger> Why have I never heard of this before? http://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/pavucontrol/
[15:37] <Wolfger> (and why do the standard sound controls in Ubuntu suck so badly?)
[15:37] <snap-l> Wolfger: Heh
[15:46] <brousch> ahahah, i like that someone suggested Python to jrwren after his Ruby complaint, and it wasn't even one of us
[15:47] <rick_h__> lol
[16:04] <brousch> heyhey! i have an ubuntuone indicator in my system tray again. life is good! https://launchpad.net/one-indicator
[16:05] <brousch> i can right-click it and see wtf it is doing
[16:06] <jrwren> haha, nice.
[16:06] <jrwren> i didn't see that.
[16:09] <snap-l> rick_h__: thanks for the link to the U1DB stuff
[16:10] <snap-l> Looks interesting
[16:10] <jrwren> ok, i read twitter, and I still didn't see anyone suggest python.
[16:14] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/nmnie/godaddy_supports_sopa_im_transferring_51_domains/
[16:15] <jrwren> oh, mulka
[16:16] <jrwren> i xfer from godaddy for lots of other reasons.
[16:16] <jrwren> this is just another.
[16:16] <brousch> jrwren: https://twitter.com/#!/JayRWren/status/149872281617838080
[16:17] <snap-l> Also, Pearson Education supports sopa
[16:24] <rick_h__> snap-l: see twitter RT from dmarsh if you have a second. Wonder what you and the wife used perhaps?
[16:25] <snap-l> JoDee's been using GNU Fortran
[16:26] <snap-l> _stink_: Got any insight?
[16:30] <brousch> Ah, a banner year. I moved all of my domains off of Register.com and GoDaddy
[16:30] <jrwren> yeah, maybe I'm naive, but I'd think GNU Fortran is the definitive modern compiler.
[16:30] <jrwren> but I always think gnu compilers are the definitive modern, and sometimes that just isn't true.
[16:31] <snap-l> WEll, I think the performant Fortran compilers are Intel's compilers
[16:31] <snap-l> but my info is about 10 years old.
[16:32] <jrwren> i think anyone doing fortran for perf reasons needs to take their head out of the sand
[16:33] <snap-l> heh
[16:36] <snap-l> Man, now I feel dirty reading Doug Hellmann's book.
[16:37] <brousch> you're not dirty for reading it, just for buying it
[16:38] <rick_h__> snap-l: huh?
[16:38] <snap-l> Addison Wesley is part of Pearson Education, which supports SOPA.
[16:39] <brousch> BURN IT
[16:39] <snap-l> It's an eBook
[16:39] <jrwren> yeah, i just saw tim orielly's tweet.
[16:40] <rick_h__> snap-l: ah, gotcha
[16:40] <snap-l> I retweeted.
[16:40] <jrwren> that is how I saw it.
[16:40] <snap-l> It was two weeks ago that he mentioned it.
[16:40] <brousch> rm isn't nearly as spectacular as burning, so i recommend you open it on a kindle and burn the kindle
[16:44] <snap-l> brousch: You're too kind. :)
[17:05] <Scott_firebeta> any reason GoDaddy is supporting SOPA?
[17:06] <snap-l> other than terminal idiocy, not sure.
[17:09] <Wolfger> because if your domain gets banned, you'll buy a new one
[17:23] <snap-l> Making room on my shelves for non-SOPA supporters. :)
[17:25] <snap-l> Although justifying keeping the Art of Computer Programming / Stevens books because Pearson hadn't purchased them yet. ;)
[17:30] <greg-g> :)
[17:31] <snap-l> Argh, Chris Crawford's book is on New Riders, a Pearson imprint. :(
[17:31] <snap-l> principles, or idolizing a game developer that I tried to go out as for Halloween.
[17:31] <snap-l> when I was in Fifth Grade.
[17:32] <greg-g> :( this is why Free Software is always seen as extreme. Sticking by your principles gets hard and looks weird
[17:34] <snap-l> Yeah, no kidding.
[17:36] <brousch> and then you look like an asshat because you make people realise the things they love are evil
[17:38] <snap-l> Well, Chris Crawford wins out
[17:38] <snap-l> though I shall read it with disdain. :)
[17:42] <snap-l> I'm putting "Publisher Supports SOPA" in the comments field of my listing.
[17:42] <snap-l> Man, I really hope O'Reilly never becomes evil.
[17:45] <Scott_firebeta> is Apress evil?
[17:46] <snap-l> Not to my knowledge.
[17:48] <snap-l> http://www.thedominoproject.com/2011/12/who-wants-to-break-the-internet.html
[17:49] <brousch> that would be more useful with links
[17:49] <brousch> wtf is ABC?
[17:49] <snap-l> Disney
[17:50] <Scott_firebeta> ESPN is on the list as well
[17:50] <Scott_firebeta> another Disney company
[17:50] <Scott_firebeta> NFL (I can see why they support SOPA)
[17:53] <brousch> now i can boycott football on principle instead of just because i find it uninteresting?
[17:54] <snap-l> But of course
[17:55] <Wolfger> I think that if you want to boycott people who support SOPA you will never see another movie again, nor watch any TV
[17:55] <Wolfger> listen to very little music
[17:55] <Wolfger> and reduce your availability of reading material
[17:55] <snap-l> I'm doing it with books
[17:56] <snap-l> unfotunately, if I did it with DVD / CDs, I'd have to sell everything. :)
[17:56] <Wolfger> yep
[17:56] <snap-l> And I'm already making compromises.
[17:56] <Wolfger> Just go to Wall Street and get pepper-sprayed. It's less painful, and slightly more effective.
[17:56] <snap-l> Penguin group has about a billion imprints.
[17:57] <brousch> it makes sense to target companies that you think can be swayed
[17:57] <brousch> like tech book publishers
[18:01] <snap-l> That's my intent
[18:01] <snap-l> Also, quite frankly, it gets me some shelf space, and gets rid of books that I'm not really reading. ;)
[18:02] <snap-l> *cough* opportunistic asshole *cough*
[18:02] <brousch> i'm quoting that on twitter now
[18:02] <snap-l> ;)
[18:02] <Wolfger> Oooh, nice and cheap: www.amazon.com/Out-Later-Years-Philosopher-ebook/dp/B004Q9U0L0/ref=br_lf_m_1000706171_1_4_ttl
[18:03] <Wolfger> snap-l: getting rid of what you've already bought has no effect, really. They got your money.
[18:03] <snap-l> I know, but they also hate the used market with a passion. :)
[18:04] <brousch> what would you do if amazon supported sopa?
[18:05] <snap-l> Die a lot inside.
[18:08] <snap-l> And then take everything over to John King Books
[18:11] <Wolfger> I would have to imagine Amazon is violently opposed to SOPA. I mean, if they are found to be selling a book that infringes on a copyright, they could be shut down, right?
[18:11] <snap-l> Oh yeah
[18:21] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/nlieb/why_is_sopa_being_passed_while_im_upvoting_all_of/
[18:23] <greg-g> wait a second, what the hell is the image at the bottom of that page?
[18:23] <greg-g> of the circle of aliens
[18:24] <snap-l> Um....
[18:24] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk
[18:24] <snap-l> I guess it's a little too late to say NSFW?
[18:24] <greg-g> lol
[18:24] <Wolfger> Didn't see any image.
[18:25] <Wolfger> Could be that it was blocked from loading.
[18:25] <snap-l> scroll all the way down
[18:25] <Wolfger> and now somebody in IT is asking why I'm trying to look at such a thing
[18:26] <brousch> look at the name
[18:26] <brousch> it's your own fault
[18:26] <greg-g> who reads URLs anymore?
[18:27] <brousch> :P
[18:39] <Wolfger> I read the URL. It said Reddit. :-p
[18:39] <Wolfger> I know Reddit is allowed at work (don't ask me why), so I clicked.
[18:40] <snap-l> Apress information: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Springer_Science%2BBusiness_Media#Selected_imprints
[18:48] <Wolfger> http://askubuntu.com/questions/89673/busybox-v1-18-4-ubuntu-11-18-4-2ubuntu2-built-in-shell-ash-enter-help-for-a
[18:49] <snap-l> That first paragraph makes no sense.
[18:51] <brousch> they never do, until jcastro comes along and deciphers them
[18:56] <Wolfger> I love the part where he switches to caps-lock and starts swearing, like that will get people to help him faster...
[18:57] <snap-l> WHAT, DOESN'T THAT WORK?
[18:57] <Wolfger> was tempted to edit it to put everything in proper case and remove all swear words, but I just flagged it instead.
[18:58] <Wolfger> I feel for the guy, but there's really no excuse for that.
[19:05] <Wolfger> I think I am in love with Louis C.K. http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/22/technology/louis_ck_million/index.htm?source=cnn_bin
[19:18] <greg-g> snap-l: ah, apress is an imprint of springer? Spring is a mostly-OK (not great, maybe not good, depending on the day/journal) scholarly publisher
[19:18] <greg-g> s/Spring/Springer/
[19:21] <snap-l> greg-g: Yeah, most of these publishers have a lot of evil streaks to them
[19:21] <snap-l> btw: just made $90+ trading in a book back to Amazon.
[19:22] <rick_h__> snap-l: sweet
[19:22] <rick_h__> next round at CHC is on snap-l everyone :)
[19:22] <snap-l> That'll pay for the Morgan Kauffman replacement. :)
[19:22] <snap-l> Pffffft.
[19:31] <_stink_> snap-l: not really - i do recall having trouble making cernlibs work with gfortran.  that was maybe 3 years ago
[19:42] <jcastro> Wolfger: I just edit out the bad stuff
[19:42] <jcastro> but I was at lunch
[19:46] <Wolfger> slacker
[19:55] <greg-g> yay, last conf call for the year starting in 5 minutes!
[19:55] <greg-g> (watch, I just jinxed it)
[19:56] <snap-l> (yeah, that would do it. :) )
[20:28]  * ColonelPanic001 extends welcome to The_Machine
[20:32] <rick_h__> jcastro: hey, sorry to bug you but my new ultrasharp arrived an my time spent last night didn't get me anywhere.
[20:32] <rick_h__> any idea where I can take this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/906441
[20:33] <rick_h__> seems to have a few people out there with the same issue, not sure where to head for irc/docs to debug getting vesa vs intel
[21:05] <snap-l> http://rpg.drivethrustuff.com/product_info.php?products_id=97688
[21:05] <snap-l> Merry Krampus. :)
[21:05] <snap-l> (and CC licensed)
[21:55] <The_Machine> It's alright, i know what you mean