| === cdbs is now known as bilal | ||
| rodrigo_ | morning | 08:46 |
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| micahg | hi rodrigo_ | 09:03 |
| rodrigo_ | hi micahg | 09:03 |
| * micahg had fun uploading his first desktop package | 09:10 | |
| * rodrigo_ lunch | 13:06 | |
| === xclaesse is now known as Zdra-n900 | ||
| rodrigo_ | ok, EOD and EOY for me, so have a nice vacation all | 16:14 |
| rodrigo_ | and see you from the other side next year :) | 16:14 |
| === Zdra-n900 is now known as xclaesse | ||
| kenvandine | rodrigo_, have a great holiday! | 16:28 |
| markuss | hey guys ive a problem with menus duplicating in lucid when i create an item in the menu it pops up somewhere else | 16:34 |
| markuss | beside untcking the box is there another way to stop this | 16:34 |
| markuss | as ive a lot of menus and it would take ages to go through one by one | 16:34 |
| * mterry works on merging gnome-menus | 18:59 | |
| micahg | mterry: are the hyphen-* and hyphenation-* packages intrinsically tied to anything regarding versioning? | 19:04 |
| micahg | i.e. can we upgrade one to a new upstream w/out upgrading them all | 19:04 |
| mterry | micahg, I don't know off hand. Sweetshark might know | 19:07 |
| ricotz | micahg, hi | 19:08 |
| micahg | hi ri | 19:09 |
| micahg | hi ricotz | 19:09 |
| ricotz | micahg, is it possible to have some firefox/thunderbird stable builds for precise in the ppas? | 19:09 |
| ricotz | meaning firefox 9.0.1 and thunderbird 9.0 | 19:09 |
| micahg | ricotz: why? people on precise should be running the betas | 19:10 |
| ricotz | micahg, i dont like running the earlier thunderbird betas ;) | 19:10 |
| dobey | mterry: can i bug you to sponsor some "uploads"? | 19:10 |
| micahg | we need beta coverage to assure our stable releases remain "stable" | 19:11 |
| mterry | dobey, ok | 19:11 |
| dobey | mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/precise/ubuntuone-control-panel/ubuntuone-control-panel-2.99.0/+merge/86455 | 19:11 |
| dobey | mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/precise/ubuntuone-client-gnome/release-2-99-0/+merge/86488 | 19:12 |
| micahg | ricotz: I think I've had more trouble with the later betas than the earlier ones personally :) | 19:12 |
| dobey | mterry: https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/precise/libubuntuone/release-2-99-0/+merge/86624 | 19:12 |
| ricotz | micahg, i know and understand that, at least an upload of the actual releases would have been nice | 19:12 |
| dobey | :) | 19:12 |
| mterry | guh | 19:12 |
| * mterry startws | 19:12 | |
| ricotz | micahg, yeah, bug can appear everytime | 19:13 |
| ricotz | micahg, are there packaging differences between oneiric and precise? | 19:13 |
| micahg | ricotz: now that the betas come a couple days after release, it doesn't pay to waste build time on precise for the stable releases, I can discuss with chrisccoulson about adding it to the {firefox,thunderbird}-stable PPA, but I think he'll have a similar response | 19:14 |
| dobey | mterry: the changes probably seem a lot bigger than they actually are, though; new autotools on oneiric seems to have created a huge diff for my two; and the control panel one is mostly changes to the qt UI which isn't packaged yet | 19:14 |
| mterry | k | 19:15 |
| micahg | ricotz: shouldn't be, I do hear the argument a little stronger for thunderbird than firefox though, unfortunately, I don't have thunderbird 9 for oneiric yet due to some bzr branch issues which I'll resolve over the weekend probably | 19:15 |
| ricotz | micahg, yes, thunderbird is what i am more worried about | 19:15 |
| dobey | mterry: thanks :) | 19:15 |
| mterry | dobey, so I see that ralsina is usually the distro acceptance person for U1 stuff? | 19:18 |
| dobey | mterry: huh? | 19:20 |
| mterry | dobey, I looked at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEngineering/12.04/UpstreamDevelopment/ProjectTracking | 19:21 |
| mterry | dobey, I'm not sure in this new Acceptance Criteria world, but maybe this has to go through ralsina? | 19:22 |
| dobey | mterry: i don't really know what that page means | 19:23 |
| mterry | dobey, ah, well in an attempt to make precise work all the time, so that teams don't block other teams from getting their work done, there is a renewed focus on automated and manual tests, as well as people responsible for signing off that an upstream is good test-wise and that a given release is ready to enter the distro | 19:24 |
| dobey | mterry: right; so, these releases are also off a stable-3-0 branch, which we only backport things too after they've been tested in trunk | 19:26 |
| mterry | dobey, right. so you as upstream are signing off on them. but distro also has a sign off step, owned by ralsina | 19:27 |
| dobey | mterry: what does it mean to sign off on something there? | 19:28 |
| dobey | mterry: ralsina, not having upload priveleges to any of the packages, probably doesn't make sense to be that person, either, does he? | 19:29 |
| mterry | dobey, it means to run the automated tests again in a 12.04 environment and run some (manual or automatic) integration tests | 19:30 |
| mterry | dobey, as for ralsina being appropriate, I don't know. Let me see who put ralsina down... | 19:31 |
| dobey | i think it was joshua; but i think someone told him we need to have our projects on that page, and that was all he was told | 19:31 |
| mterry | dobey, yeah joshua | 19:33 |
| mterry | dobey, who normally helps with the reviews/packaging? kenvandine? | 19:36 |
| dobey | ken, seb | 19:36 |
| dobey | well, so; that's also going to change in the next few weeks; i am going to propose a new delegated team for the u1 packages, so we don't have to go hunt people down to sponsor our packages all the time | 19:37 |
| micahg | dobey: you actually want a packageset, I need to fix that wiki page | 19:39 |
| dobey | yes, and i think a team to own the packageset, no? | 19:40 |
| micahg | all managed packagesets have associated teams now to make adding people easier, but that's an implementation detail | 19:41 |
| dobey | right, and the wiki seems to call the combination "delegated team" | 19:41 |
| micahg | then people can apply for upload rights to the packageset and we just add them to the associated team (but the team part isn't something non-DMB members should really have to worry about) | 19:41 |
| micahg | dobey: right, I think that's wrong, a delegated team is something like ubuntu-desktop that can approve uploaders on their own | 19:42 |
| dobey | well the wiki says it can go either way | 19:43 |
| micahg | right, I need to fix the wiki :), maybe during vacation | 19:43 |
| dobey | anyway | 19:44 |
| dobey | back to the problem at hand | 19:44 |
| dobey | mterry: i guess i can sign off on them, en absentee for ralsina? :) | 19:44 |
| mterry | dobey, probs not :) I can send an email to Jason and cc you to try to find someone else since ralsina can't upload the packages | 19:46 |
| dobey | ugh | 19:47 |
| mterry | dobey, the whole point of this is to avoid doing things like cowboying packages in on Fridays before holidays ;) | 19:48 |
| dobey | some of them were proposed on tuesday :( | 19:48 |
| dobey | and we will have a release day on jan 3, as well; the day we all return from holiday | 19:49 |
| mterry | dobey, well since we apparently don't have a distro person to sign off on it, it could have been proposed a month ago and still blocked on distro readiness | 19:49 |
| dobey | which is entirely crap, if you are going to have releases every 2 weeks :) | 19:50 |
| dobey | kenvandine: ^^ sign off on it. you know you want to. it's all good. :) | 19:50 |
| mterry | dobey, releases every 2 weeks is fine! you just need to find an actual distro-readiness owner | 19:50 |
| dobey | me! :) | 19:51 |
| mterry | until that happens, no ubuntuone releases can enter the archive | 19:51 |
| mterry | dobey, you're the upstream owner | 19:51 |
| dobey | mterry: ken is listed in all 3 columns for gwibber | 19:51 |
| dobey | and pittin in all 3 for jockey… | 19:51 |
| mterry | dobey, yar, it's a sliding scale of importance and disruptiveness. Talk to managers if you want to argue about this | 19:52 |
| dobey | i just want to get the packages in. heck, pretty much all the changes in ubuntuone-client-gnome and libubuntuone, are in precise already anyway :( | 19:53 |
| mterry | dobey, ? then what're the merges for? | 19:53 |
| dobey | the only things that aren't really, are being regenerated with new autotools, adding a -Wno-error=, and version bump. | 19:53 |
| dobey | mterry: new releases since the patches are included upstream now. and to get us in the habit of having bi-weekly releases | 19:54 |
| dobey | mterry: there are most likely going to be little to no changes in everything for our releases on jan 3, but we want to build the habit of timed releases, regardless | 19:55 |
| dobey | we even have milestones on the stable branches for all our releases all the way up to final freeze :( | 19:55 |
| mterry | dobey, this is all good stuff. I'm just saying that distro has a new acceptance process and I don't want to short circuit it | 19:56 |
| kenvandine | mterry, preach it brother! | 19:57 |
| dobey | i don't either, but i don't want to make worthless releases that users can't test, for 6 weeks, while we try to figure out what the wiki page means. i'm not trying to argue about it, either; but i've spent 3 days this week doing basically nothing but releases. :-/ | 19:58 |
| mterry | kenvandine, do you know who was expected to be the distro sign-off'er for U1 stuff? Is it you? | 20:00 |
| dobey | i know rick has been assigning some bugs to kenvandine when we landed some fixes in trunk, to put them in ubuntu | 20:01 |
| kenvandine | probably me | 20:03 |
| dobey | kenvandine: can you sign off on the uploads, please? | 20:07 |
| kenvandine | i would rather not on friday before everyone goes away for a week... | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | any important fixes? | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | how risky? | 20:08 |
| kenvandine | dobey, i thought you were going to propose them to me yesterday? | 20:08 |
| dobey | kenvandine: did i not link you to them? and you said you were really busy as well | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | dobey, no... no links | 20:09 |
| dobey | i think the risk is quite low | 20:09 |
| kenvandine | i might not have been able to get to it then either | 20:09 |
| * kenvandine reads scrollback for links | 20:10 | |
| dobey | i can re-paste | 20:10 |
| dobey | https://code.launchpad.net/~nataliabidart/ubuntu/precise/ubuntuone-control-panel/ubuntuone-control-panel-2.99.0/+merge/86455 | 20:10 |
| dobey | https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/precise/ubuntuone-client-gnome/release-2-99-0/+merge/86488 | 20:10 |
| dobey | https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/precise/libubuntuone/release-2-99-0/+merge/86624 | 20:10 |
| dobey | also have a new package 'dirspec', and an ubuntuone-dev-tools which depends on it | 20:11 |
| dobey | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/907888 is the bug for dirspec with the files; i don't know if Laney approved/uploaded it though. | 20:12 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 907888 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] dirspec" [High,In progress] | 20:12 |
| dobey | https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/oneiric/ubuntuone-dev-tools/release-020/+merge/75196 is the dev-tools that depends on it | 20:12 |
| kenvandine | mterry, the distro signoff person has to be someone from platform right? | 20:13 |
| dobey | err, no that isn't | 20:14 |
| dobey | doh | 20:14 |
| mterry | kenvandine, I assume | 20:14 |
| dobey | stupid firefox history | 20:14 |
| dobey | https://code.launchpad.net/~dobey/ubuntu/precise/ubuntuone-client-gnome/release-2-99-0/+merge/86488 is the dev-tools merge | 20:15 |
| kenvandine | dobey, how important is the new package? | 20:15 |
| dobey | kenvandine: very; we need to MIR it, and get it on the CD, as we'll be switching all the ubuntuone python code to use it | 20:15 |
| dobey | instead of python-xdg, which is unmaintained and not cross-platform | 20:16 |
| dobey | and in a few weeks, i'll probably write up a post strongly suggesting other python projects which depend on python-xdg currently, to switch to it | 20:17 |
| kenvandine | dobey, are you going to be checking in on irc or checking email next week? | 20:17 |
| micahg | dobey: you do realize there are other rdepends of python-xdg in main, right? | 20:17 |
| dobey | kenvandine: yes | 20:17 |
| kenvandine | dobey, i'll review them today and upload them on monday | 20:18 |
| dobey | micahg: yes. and all of them need to move off of it i think; and when i think dirspec is ready for them to do that, i will be strongly suggesting it. :) | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | at least then if we need to scramble to fix the distro it isn't on christmas day :) | 20:18 |
| dobey | we won't need to scramble to fix the distro :( | 20:18 |
| kenvandine | dobey, famous last words | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | i seem to recall ted saying that about dbusmenu once on a friday | 20:19 |
| micahg | dobey: also, anything cross-distro should really be done through freedesktop.org as pyxdg is | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | that was no fun | 20:19 |
| dobey | micahg: freedesktop.org is a royal waste of time. | 20:19 |
| kenvandine | dobey, i am sure everything will be fine... but we don't like to go all john wayne on our users :) | 20:20 |
| dobey | meh | 20:21 |
| dobey | chicken ;) | 20:24 |
| dobey | or should i say… | 20:24 |
| dobey | "What are ya? Yeller?" | 20:24 |
| Laney | dobey: no I did not. Perhaps tomorrow if you still need it. | 20:27 |
| Laney | keep the bug status updated or something | 20:27 |
| kenvandine | :) | 20:27 |
| kenvandine | dobey, most of the control panel changes are to the qt code | 20:27 |
| dobey | kenvandine: right, which isn't even packaged in ubuntu yet :) | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | lowers the risk | 20:30 |
| kenvandine | poor gtk | 20:30 |
| dobey | right, which is why i say this stuff is all pretty low risk. :) | 20:31 |
| kenvandine | dobey, ubuntuone-client-gnome FTBFS | 20:33 |
| kenvandine | the patches need to be removed | 20:33 |
| dobey | eh, didn't i do that? grr | 20:33 |
| kenvandine | which worries me a bit.. makes me wonder if you even tested it :) | 20:33 |
| dobey | hrmm; i wonder why they didn't conflict when i did merge-upstream. that is weird | 20:36 |
| dobey | the whole "3.0 (quilt)" having auto-applied patches is very confusing :( | 20:36 |
| dobey | s/auto/pre/ | 20:37 |
| kenvandine | yeah | 20:37 |
| kenvandine | dobey, also in libubuntuone you should add changelog entries for the debian/control changes | 20:37 |
| micahg | dobey: I don't believe that's the case anymore with dpkg 1.16.1 | 20:38 |
| dobey | micahg: you mean it doesn't pre-apply them any more? | 20:39 |
| kenvandine | dobey, i commented on those in the merge proposals | 20:40 |
| micahg | dobey: oh, wait, I guess it does in the source upload and then unapplies them locally | 20:40 |
| kenvandine | let me know when it is fixed and i'll look again | 20:40 |
| dobey | kenvandine: ubuntuone-client-gnome should be fixed now | 20:40 |
| kenvandine | dobey, thx | 20:40 |
| micahg | oh, hmm, not sure if that's right either :0/, that could only be with the option to not apply patches by default | 20:42 |
| dobey | micahg: see. confusing. | 20:42 |
| dobey | kenvandine: and libu1 fixed as well | 20:43 |
| kenvandine | dobey, ok... these are REALLY low risk changes... i'll test locally and if all goes well i'll upload them | 20:47 |
| kenvandine | if they break, i'll hunt you down :) | 20:47 |
| kenvandine | dobey, i am not going to do dirspec now though | 20:48 |
| kenvandine | i have other stuff i really want to finish before the break | 20:48 |
| dobey | kenvandine: thanks much | 20:50 |
| kenvandine | np | 20:50 |
| kenvandine | dobey, are you staying in VA for the holiday? | 20:50 |
| * kenvandine can't believe he just turned on the air conditioning | 20:50 | |
| dobey | kenvandine: yeah, am not going anywhere | 20:51 |
| kenvandine | too warm for christmas! | 20:51 |
| dobey | maybe will go out to the garage some, or to the pub; but that's about it :) | 20:51 |
| kenvandine | :) | 20:52 |
| micahg | that would be a welcome change from the 30s in Chicago :) | 20:52 |
| dobey | not too warm here | 20:53 |
| dobey | just a bit warmer, and it would be perfect | 20:54 |
| kenvandine | dobey, control panel fail... | 20:58 |
| kenvandine | from ubuntuone.controlpanel.utils import (ERROR_TYPE, ERROR_MESSAGE, | 20:59 |
| kenvandine | ImportError: No module named utils | 20:59 |
| kenvandine | dobey, fix debian/python-ubuntuone-control-panel.install | 21:00 |
| dobey | ugh | 21:01 |
| dobey | kenvandine: that's nessita's branch and she's already on holiday. :-/ | 21:02 |
| kenvandine | ok, i'll fix it | 21:02 |
| dobey | thanks | 21:02 |
| kenvandine | np | 21:05 |
| kenvandine | micahg, it is 74 here... | 21:07 |
| micahg | well, i'm wearing a short sleeve shirt :) | 21:07 |
| kenvandine | i guess i should enjoy it before going to budapest in january, that is going to be cold! | 21:07 |
| * micahg wishes for 74 again | 21:07 | |
| kenvandine | micahg, i am wearing flip flops :) | 21:08 |
| micahg | kenvandine: cold like Chicago :) | 21:08 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine: ooh. you got a weather forecast? :-) | 21:08 |
| kenvandine | Nafallo, no... but everyone keeps asking me if i am crazy for going to budapest in january | 21:10 |
| kenvandine | that can't be good | 21:10 |
| Nafallo | kenvandine: pfff, just tell them you're going to Budapest... not Lulea in north Sweden ;-) | 21:11 |
| Nafallo | (where facebook is building weathercooled DCs :-) | 21:12 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 21:12 |
| dobey | i am glad i am not going to budapest :) | 21:14 |
| kenvandine | dobey, ubuntuone-client-gnome is causing nautilus to crash | 21:15 |
| dobey | eh? | 21:15 |
| dobey | works ok here | 21:17 |
| kenvandine | crashes on both of my precise boxes | 21:17 |
| kenvandine | dobey, stacktrace coming | 21:17 |
| dobey | my precise laptop actually locked up hard while doing an apt-get upgrade last night. :( | 21:17 |
| dobey | i haven't turned it back on yet, though | 21:18 |
| dobey | the older version crashed it on precise though, after the glib update to 2.31 | 21:24 |
| kenvandine | dobey, bug 908261 | 21:24 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 908261 in ubuntuone-client-gnome "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/908261 | 21:24 |
| kenvandine | it did? | 21:25 |
| kenvandine | never for me... | 21:25 |
| dobey | yeah, because there was a bug in the .convert; at least g-s-d crashed because of it, i thought nautilus did too | 21:25 |
| kenvandine | actually, in a fresh session it doesn't crash until i browse to the ~/Ubuntu One directory | 21:26 |
| kenvandine | gsd is crashing as well | 21:26 |
| kenvandine | apport isn't catching it though | 21:26 |
| kenvandine | once i browse to my Ubuntu One directory, it crashes everytime i start nautilus back up | 21:26 |
| kenvandine | until i logout | 21:26 |
| dobey | weird | 21:27 |
| dobey | am doing dpkg --configure -a on laptop right now | 21:28 |
| dobey | the software-center postinst is evil | 21:28 |
| dobey | my hdd light is going crazy, for an absurdly long period of time :( | 21:28 |
| dobey | did something change in nautilus recently? | 21:29 |
| dobey | laptop updated | 21:32 |
| kenvandine | dobey, downgrading libsyncdaemon-1.0-1 to 2.0.0-0ubuntu4 fixed it | 21:32 |
| dobey | huh, no crash here | 21:34 |
| dobey | and nothing has changed in libsyncdaemon, so that is weird | 21:34 |
| dobey | i am on 32 bit though | 21:34 |
| dobey | oh now it's crashed | 21:34 |
| dobey | that took a while | 21:34 |
| kenvandine | it crashes once i browse to a shared folder | 21:35 |
| kenvandine | ok... i updated the bug to ubuntuone-client | 21:36 |
| kenvandine | uploading this now | 21:36 |
| dobey | wtf. | 21:37 |
| kenvandine | dobey, kind of weird that libubuntuone has a build dep on libsyncdaemon-1.0-dev (>= 2.99.0) but not a depends | 21:37 |
| dobey | come on apport retracer | 21:37 |
| kenvandine | i guess i just haven't browsed a shared folder in a while | 21:37 |
| kenvandine | so not a new bug | 21:37 |
| dobey | well, i'm sure plenty of people do | 21:38 |
| dobey | kenvandine: hrmm; i just updated the existing version numbers to the new ones in the control file | 21:39 |
| kenvandine | yeah, but maybe it doesn't really depend on the newer version | 21:40 |
| dobey | oh, actually a bit of libsyncdaemon did change, but it was only the part that talks to SSO, because there was an api change in ubuntu-sso-client | 21:42 |
| dobey | so it does need that to work with the new ubuntu-sso-client in precise | 21:42 |
| dobey | ah well | 21:42 |
| dobey | now this nautilus crash has upset me :( | 21:43 |
| dobey | heh | 21:43 |
| kenvandine | dobey, all uploaded | 21:44 |
| kenvandine | if you get a patch for libsyncdaemon, let me know :) | 21:44 |
| dobey | thanks | 21:45 |
| kenvandine | now that i know that is crashing, it is bugging me too | 21:45 |
| dobey | meh, apport doesn't auto-attach relevant xsession-errors bits | 21:48 |
| dobey | kenvandine: are you coming to VA next week? or working? or just staying at home? | 21:54 |
| kenvandine | staying home | 21:56 |
| dobey | cool | 21:56 |
| dobey | why isn't it crashing on oneiric. bah | 22:00 |
| dobey | fml it is surprisingly hard to find swordfish here, without having to drive 20-30 miles. | 22:21 |
| Nafallo | dobey: apt-cache show swordfish | 22:25 |
| Nafallo | ;-) | 22:25 |
| dobey | oh well; day is done, it is. | 23:03 |
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