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| snap-l | Good evening | 01:22 |
|---|---|---|
| rick_h_droid | party | 01:27 |
| snap-l | We all still have our sanity? | 01:27 |
| rick_h_droid | yea wrapping complete so yay | 01:28 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'm glad my wrapping is done | 01:31 |
| snap-l | JoDee did most of it, and this afternoon I ducked out to finish her presents | 01:31 |
| snap-l | though one isn't quite here ye. | 01:31 |
| snap-l | Hope it arrives tomorrow / Saturday. | 01:32 |
| snap-l | But not holding my breath | 01:32 |
| rick_h_droid | cutting it close aren't we? | 01:32 |
| snap-l | Well, I knew it might not make it here in time | 01:33 |
| snap-l | frankly if it's late, oh well | 01:33 |
| rick_h_droid | gotcha | 01:33 |
| snap-l | it's just a T-shirt anyway. | 01:33 |
| snap-l | I love how my uncle addressed a card to me "Crig" | 01:39 |
| snap-l | Really, i don't have a complex. | 01:39 |
| rick_h_droid | lol, not a close uncle I guess | 01:45 |
| snap-l | No, he's just not particularly good with social graces. | 01:46 |
| snap-l | He calls me "the boy". | 01:46 |
| snap-l | at least to my dad. | 01:46 |
| snap-l | and my mom "the wife" | 01:46 |
| rick_h_droid | nice | 01:46 |
| snap-l | Yeah, awesome, isn't it? | 01:47 |
| rick_h_droid | I do refer to Michael as "the boy" | 01:48 |
| snap-l | On occasion, it's socially acceptable | 01:48 |
| rick_h_droid | now I'm going to feel bad | 01:48 |
| snap-l | Don't feel bad just becuase my uncle is a putz. | 01:48 |
| snap-l | or rather, can be a putz | 01:49 |
| snap-l | on the same token, he sent us $$, so I'm not complaining either. | 01:49 |
| rick_h_droid | hah | 01:49 |
| snap-l | rick_h_droid: Did you just get your KindleDX? | 03:43 |
| snap-l | or did you just get the shipping otice that they overtnighted it? | 03:43 |
| rick_h_droid | snapl, no but got tracking that it's overnigbt | 03:43 |
| snap-l | Oh, nice. | 03:43 |
| rick_h_droid | normally Woot stuff takes 10+, days | 03:44 |
| snap-l | I can see what you'll be doing tomorrow | 03:44 |
| snap-l | stalking the elusive driver. | 03:44 |
| rick_h_droid | heh | 03:44 |
| rick_h_droid | usually overnight comes in a van in the morning. | 03:44 |
| rick_h_droid | but sure it must be a crazy day tomorrow for them | 03:45 |
| snap-l | Oh hell yes. | 03:47 |
| snap-l | If they do show up, expect your package to be launched from said van. | 03:47 |
| rick_h_droid | hah | 03:47 |
| rick_h__ | lol http://www.woot.com/Forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=4771431&PageIndex=1&ReplyCount=237 | 03:50 |
| rick_h__ | guess WV isn't a very literate state...who'd have thunk it | 03:50 |
| rick_h__ | morning party people | 12:16 |
| _stink_ | morning | 12:55 |
| _stink_ | are peeps working today? | 12:55 |
| rick_h__ | yea, new job == no vacation days to spare | 12:55 |
| _stink_ | yeah, bummer | 12:55 |
| rick_h__ | all good, think it'll be a light day. | 12:56 |
| rick_h__ | everyone else on my team is gone | 12:56 |
| rick_h__ | shoot, most everyone is gone | 12:56 |
| _stink_ | we're technically working today, but i'm work from home, and i bet it's going to be quiet there anyway | 12:56 |
| rick_h__ | and I'm out all next week | 12:56 |
| _stink_ | yeah | 12:56 |
| Wolfger | Morning. I'm working. | 12:56 |
| Wolfger | for some value of "working" | 12:56 |
| _stink_ | hah | 12:56 |
| rick_h__ | heh, exactly | 12:56 |
| snap-l | I'm working today | 13:06 |
| brousch | i have a half day | 13:08 |
| snap-l | I have a fool-day. | 13:08 |
| brousch | at the old job? | 13:10 |
| snap-l | Yep | 13:10 |
| snap-l | New job starts in January. | 13:10 |
| brousch | greg-g: http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/18/does-apple-support-the-stop-online-piracy-act-by-proxy-at-least/ | 13:27 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it looks like the BSA pulled their support | 13:35 |
| snap-l | I sent a note to my review rep at Pearson to say that I wouldn't be doing any more promo stuff for them if they support SOPA> | 13:36 |
| brousch | too bad. i was just getting my annoyingly anti-apple rant ready again | 13:36 |
| snap-l | Heh | 13:36 |
| snap-l | My hope is that companies listen to what we're telling them re: SOPA being a bad deal, and piracy not being the problem they need to chase. | 13:38 |
| snap-l | my fear is they won't listen. | 13:38 |
| snap-l | (still) | 13:39 |
| Wolfger | When somebody from "the industry" talks about how piracy is hurting their business I just want to scream, "Louis C.K., motherf***er!" in their face. | 13:40 |
| Wolfger | of course, Louis C.K. is hurting their business too, by self-publishing his video. :-) | 13:43 |
| snap-l | Louis CK is a datapoint | 13:43 |
| snap-l | he's not proof | 13:43 |
| snap-l | however, there are a LOT of datapoints | 13:44 |
| Wolfger | He's the most recent of several datapoints | 13:44 |
| Wolfger | It's also impractical to scream proof at somebody. Single datapoints are much better for screaming. ;-) | 13:52 |
| jrwren | what to do with this day off? | 14:00 |
| Wolfger | http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/22/vader-takes-on-hitler-in-historical-rap-battle/?hpt=hp_c2 | 14:02 |
| brousch | jrwren: occupy detroit | 14:02 |
| jrwren | lolz | 14:02 |
| Wolfger | brousch++ | 14:07 |
| jcastro | hey rick_h__ | 14:28 |
| jcastro | I am realizing something lately the more I use unity | 14:28 |
| rick_h__ | jcastro: yep | 14:28 |
| jcastro | I'm not using the launcher icons either | 14:28 |
| jcastro | I'm like a pseudo tiling window manager guy | 14:28 |
| jcastro | but I do thinks like take showers | 14:28 |
| rick_h__ | yea, that's a solid plus on your side | 14:28 |
| jcastro | hah | 14:28 |
| rick_h__ | yea, my desktop I run unity on, but I just use it for browser/terminal tiled side by side | 14:29 |
| jcastro | rick_h__: so when they remove the huge icons from the home dash | 14:29 |
| jcastro | and gimme back my collapseable quake dash | 14:29 |
| jcastro | I'll be good to go | 14:29 |
| rick_h__ | awesome | 14:29 |
| brousch | so the key to running unity without annoyance is to ignore the gui? | 14:30 |
| rick_h__ | :) | 14:30 |
| rick_h__ | brousch: you're never happy | 14:30 |
| rick_h__ | "oh...hmm..unity..." | 14:30 |
| rick_h__ | "gnome3 ftw! hell yeaz bitches!" | 14:30 |
| rick_h__ | "so KDE is a lot nicer than it was last week!" | 14:30 |
| rick_h__ | "xubuntu, wow, great install" | 14:30 |
| rick_h__ | :P | 14:30 |
| brousch | i like kde, but i keep using all my ram with it | 14:31 |
| brousch | yes, they all suck in some way. now i have to decide what annoys me the least | 14:31 |
| brousch | i have unity, gnome shell, kde, and xfce installed right now and can switch between them at login | 14:31 |
| rick_h__ | next, install awesome and you can switch it out at login :) | 14:32 |
| rick_h__ | or xmonad | 14:32 |
| brousch | what was that python tiling window manager? | 14:32 |
| rick_h__ | something with a b...bluetile or something? | 14:32 |
| rick_h__ | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/bluetile-052-tiling-window-manager.html | 14:33 |
| brousch | i am starting to realize how hard i am to please | 14:35 |
| rick_h__ | welcome to the club! here's your card, and your wall plate. | 14:35 |
| Wolfger | There's a wall plate? I didn't get a wall plate. | 14:36 |
| brousch | i don't like this card. it clashes with my debit card | 14:36 |
| snap-l | I wish my video card matched my motherboard. | 14:36 |
| brousch | wall plate? like i would spoil my perfectly white walls with such trash | 14:36 |
| snap-l | it's all the wrong color, even though I only see it whenever I open the computer | 14:37 |
| brousch | snap-l: but you know it's there | 14:37 |
| rick_h__ | see, the crew of "hard to please" just keeps getting bigger | 14:37 |
| rick_h__ | mismatches hardware, off color wall plates...damn picky people | 14:37 |
| snap-l | brousch: Yes, yes, I know | 14:37 |
| snap-l | and the heatsinks are gold, and not black | 14:37 |
| rick_h__ | spray paint them. I hear that's good for thermal conductivity | 14:38 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Heavy laquer? | 14:38 |
| rick_h__ | oh definitely, rustoleam I think is best | 14:38 |
| brousch | one thing i haven't tried is unity2d | 14:39 |
| brousch | the 3d depeendency in unity annoys me because i have older computers it fails on | 14:40 |
| jcastro | rick_h__: hey if that bug was self inflicted don't forget to delete the bug report if it's useless now | 14:53 |
| rick_h__ | jcastro: I marked it invalid and noted the fix/issue | 14:54 |
| jcastro | <3 | 14:54 |
| snap-l | I supervised. | 14:55 |
| brousch | bah, unity2d gave me 1 workspace, no obvious way to add more, and the menus still self-hide in the top bar | 14:57 |
| snap-l | Apparently that's the "Unity" part of UNity | 14:57 |
| snap-l | The unified menu bar | 14:57 |
| Wolfger | the unity menu bar should go unify itself with a stick of dynamite | 14:59 |
| snap-l | I won't argue with that. | 15:00 |
| Wolfger | I can more or less live with every other thing Unity does, but that menu bar make the entire thing a horrible user experience. | 15:02 |
| snap-l | Well, it essentially killed focus follows mouse for me | 15:03 |
| Wolfger | yep. It completely breaks that. | 15:06 |
| Wolfger | So when somebody asks how to do something in bash, I probably should not answer with anything that begins in "perl -e", should I? | 15:07 |
| ColonelPanic001 | you should. | 15:07 |
| snap-l | Wolfger: you can, though it's not considered polite to do so | 15:08 |
| Wolfger | snap-l: that is what I thought | 15:08 |
| Wolfger | I like ColonelPanic001's answer better, though :-) | 15:08 |
| snap-l | Well, the difference between polite and rude is listening to ColonelPanic001's advice. | 15:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | \o/ | 15:09 |
| snap-l | Also, best tool for the job and such | 15:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I have to quote that somewhere. | 15:09 |
| ColonelPanic001 | yeah, non-joking answer is a lot of the time, it's easier/etc in perl anyway. I hate writing shell scripts, so as soon as I need a loop, I switch to Perl/etc | 15:10 |
| snap-l | Depends on the loop | 15:10 |
| snap-l | if it's just something to iterate over files, I'll write it in bash | 15:10 |
| ColonelPanic001 | maybe then, yeah | 15:10 |
| rick_h__ | ColonelPanic001: you're doing it wrong :P | 15:11 |
| rick_h__ | "as soon as I need a for loop I get a Python shell out..." | 15:11 |
| ColonelPanic001 | that was the "etc" :P | 15:12 |
| ColonelPanic001 | I'm just more used to Perl | 15:12 |
| brousch | rick_h__++ | 15:15 |
| Wolfger | I just find that "perl -e" is the most useful bash command in existence. :-) | 15:28 |
| Wolfger | with the possible exceptions of ls and grep | 15:28 |
| Wolfger | oh, and man | 15:28 |
| snap-l | perl -e, the most useful command since the invention of man. | 15:29 |
| snap-l | er, wait. | 15:29 |
| rick_h__ | ipython | 15:29 |
| snap-l | I <3 ipython | 15:29 |
| rick_h__ | why wait for the script to run, run it as you type it :) | 15:29 |
| snap-l | ipython is awesome for noodling in python | 15:29 |
| rick_h__ | I use it for shell stuff as well | 15:30 |
| snap-l | I wish every language had ipython-like features | 15:31 |
| snap-l | reminds me a lot of dinking around with gdb | 15:31 |
| snap-l | although not as horrid | 15:31 |
| * rick_h__ starts chanting..." I will not look at the bzr logs to see who the @#$#@ wrote this code...I will not.... | 15:34 | |
| snap-l | Oh, c'mon. :) | 15:34 |
| snap-l | git blame is cathartic. :) | 15:35 |
| jcastro | anyone use zenoss before? | 15:35 |
| snap-l | jcastro: No, but I have the T-Shirts and hats. | 15:36 |
| jcastro | heh | 15:36 |
| rick_h__ | jcastro: tried once, they've done a lot of talks at OLF | 15:36 |
| jcastro | me too | 15:36 |
| rick_h__ | seemed cool, but packages always seemed a bit off | 15:36 |
| jcastro | I'm going to fix them | 15:36 |
| jcastro | with juju | 15:36 |
| rick_h__ | ah, gotcha | 15:36 |
| jcastro | well | 15:36 |
| jcastro | let me restate | 15:36 |
| jcastro | I'm going to show them how to fix themselves | 15:36 |
| jcastro | with juju | 15:36 |
| snap-l | heh | 15:36 |
| * snap-l needs to look more into Juju | 15:36 | |
| snap-l | seems interesting, but not quite sure where it fits. | 15:37 |
| jcastro | do you need to fire up and tear down instances over and over? | 15:37 |
| snap-l | Not generally | 15:39 |
| snap-l | but I may at some point | 15:40 |
| snap-l | I would like something that build virtualbox instances quickly | 15:40 |
| snap-l | that doesn't entail downloading an image over the Internet ala vagrant. | 15:40 |
| rick_h__ | you only download the imange once | 15:43 |
| rick_h__ | and you can build your own locally | 15:43 |
| jcastro | someone is working on a VB provider actually | 15:45 |
| rick_h__ | I can't wait until this weekend is past. everyone I ever bought anything from is tring to let me know they'll deliver before christmas | 15:52 |
| jcastro | heh | 15:52 |
| snap-l | heh | 15:52 |
| snap-l | Yeah, I'm ready to be done with the holiday season. | 15:52 |
| jrwren | http://blog.jcuff.net/2011/12/cautionary-tale-about-storage-and.html | 15:53 |
| rick_h__ | I need an "out of office" like flag. "All gifts purcahsed...done buying" | 15:53 |
| snap-l | RETAILER_PISSOFF | 15:53 |
| rick_h__ | jrwren: lol | 15:56 |
| snap-l | "Increase your rod-on quality" - Ah, good ol' junk spam | 16:00 |
| snap-l | jrwren: that reminds me of the ME student that was upset because they were only getting 99% CPU according to 'top', and wanted their process to be niced lower than the kernel so they could get 100% | 16:08 |
| jrwren | rofl | 16:54 |
| jrwren | snap-l: well, I guess they COULD run a RTOS :) | 16:55 |
| jrwren | or run on a kernel-less system. | 16:55 |
| rick_h__ | woot, dx loading up | 17:31 |
| rick_h__ | pdfs do look nicer *sigh* but lack of whispersync and such is going to be a pita | 17:32 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: DX doesn't have 3G? | 17:36 |
| rick_h__ | it does, but it'd doesn't sync pdfs you load yourself | 17:37 |
| rick_h__ | if it's outside the AMZ ecosystem no whispersync | 17:37 |
| rick_h__ | I guess that's true of the outside mobi as well so nvm | 17:37 |
| snap-l | rick_h__: Yeah, I didn't think anything but AMZ content got Whispersync. | 17:40 |
| rick_h__ | just struck me when I loaded a ton of pdfs and none are where I left off :( | 17:40 |
| rick_h__ | doh, cool though | 17:41 |
| snap-l | None of the readers I've used have ever synced loaded content. | 17:41 |
| rick_h__ | yea, it wasn't bad but when I started using the web reader some it was very cool | 17:41 |
| rick_h__ | now I've got two kindles + web reader | 17:42 |
| rick_h__ | and the phone is more usable, though not sure when I'd pick that over the web reader | 17:42 |
| jcastro | I keep my old kindle | 17:55 |
| jcastro | can't stand long-term reading on a tablet/phone | 17:55 |
| rick_h__ | yea, I just have gotten to doing too many technical books and oreilly deals that look much better on the DX | 17:58 |
| rick_h__ | but kindle is the one true reading device for sure. Eink or bust | 17:58 |
| Wolfger | 2 more days... | 18:04 |
| rick_h__ | before? | 18:05 |
| CrusaderAD | The birth of some dude from the middle east. | 18:10 |
| rick_h__ | ah, that's good. Feel like I should have gotten a gift or something | 18:13 |
| snap-l | hah | 18:13 |
| greg-g | hilarious, @MPAA on twitter is following 1,666 accounts, while only 757 accounts follow it | 18:14 |
| Wolfger | rick_h__: before I get the sweet taste of e-ink on my hands | 18:16 |
| brousch | rick_h__: my son liked muppets from space. thanks for the suggestion | 19:52 |
| brousch | whoa, it worked. godaddy gave up | 19:59 |
| jcastro | no | 20:02 |
| jcastro | them giving up would be them going away | 20:02 |
| brousch | well we made them cry. that is something | 20:04 |
| rick_h_31 | brousch glad he liked it | 20:04 |
| jrwren | it doesn't matter, does anyone really want ot do business with anyone who even previously supported it? | 20:05 |
| greg-g | jrwren: yeah, especially someone who had their GC working with congress people on the drafts | 20:08 |
| Blazeix | or a company known for terrible service and being jerks in general. I'm kind of surprised that people who care about SOPA still use godaddy. | 20:11 |
| Blazeix | s/use/used/ | 20:12 |
| krondor | I've long since boycotted GoDaddy it's just another validation of why. | 20:13 |
| rick_h__ | I think the thing is that it's just work to move | 20:14 |
| rick_h__ | it's not so easy as just go from amazon.com to xxx.com next time | 20:14 |
| rick_h__ | all your old stuff is there, you've got to figure out how to unlock your domains, get the auth codes, wait on emails, etc | 20:14 |
| krondor | yeah domain transfers can be a bitch for sure | 20:14 |
| rick_h__ | lol http://twitter.com/#!/hipsterhacker/status/150301726040264704 | 20:15 |
| jcastro | rick_h__: hah | 20:19 |
| snap-l | J's mom is over | 20:29 |
| greg-g | have fun! | 20:29 |
| snap-l | greg-g: Ho boy | 20:30 |
| jrwren | greg-g: exactly! fuck your GC and fuck lobby owned congress. :) | 20:31 |
| snap-l | My favorite when I transferred my domains was trying to get through their privacy bullshit | 20:37 |
| snap-l | forgot the password, and e-mail address was on an old account | 20:37 |
| snap-l | literally faxed them my drivers license and they STILL wouldn't unlock the domain | 20:37 |
| snap-l | finally figured out what I used, unlocked the domain, and vowed never to deal with GoDaddy ever again. | 20:38 |
| snap-l | They're the Mel Farr of the Internet. | 20:38 |
| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Farr | 20:38 |
| snap-l | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnesVqoOPwA | 20:40 |
| Blazeix | to be fair, "I don't have the password nor access to the email account" does sound kind of shady :P | 20:40 |
| snap-l | right, and it's my own damn fault | 20:40 |
| snap-l | but if I provide ID and go through their stupid hoops, I'd expect to get access again | 20:41 |
| snap-l | And again, I'm glad I guessed it, otherwise I'd still have some domains registered withthem. | 20:43 |
| jrwren | lol @ mel farr | 20:45 |
| jrwren | but he is a superstarr! | 20:45 |
| jrwren | and has a far better deal. | 20:45 |
| jrwren | i moved to simpledns. api access to manage my domains FTW! | 20:45 |
| jrwren | but i moved from register.com and from bluehost. | 20:46 |
| jrwren | i don't think I ever was with godaddy | 20:46 |
| snap-l | gandi.net | 20:46 |
| snap-l | that's what the real hippies of OSS use. :) | 20:46 |
| jrwren | i'm a capitalist, not a commie | 20:46 |
| jrwren | yet simpledns is french, go figure. | 20:47 |
| jcastro | rick_h__: | 21:05 |
| jcastro | explain something to me | 21:05 |
| jcastro | since you're like android fan #1 or something | 21:05 |
| jrwren | lol | 21:05 |
| snap-l | if rick_h__ is #1 fan, Android is in trouble. | 21:05 |
| jcastro | https://plus.google.com/113210431006401244170/posts/Xp4nBqTyk97 | 21:05 |
| jcastro | why do people buy non nexus phones? | 21:06 |
| jcastro | if they want upgrades | 21:06 |
| jrwren | no idea. | 21:06 |
| jrwren | i've no idea why anyone would buy a carrier controlled phone given todays rate of change. | 21:06 |
| jrwren | its one huge reason I run ios | 21:06 |
| jcastro | I'm having a hard time finding any reason | 21:09 |
| jcastro | but if you say so. :) | 21:09 |
| jrwren | i guess you can just root your phone and upgrade the android on it. | 21:09 |
| jrwren | i guess that is the use case. | 21:10 |
| jcastro | well the thing is | 21:10 |
| jcastro | people think android is a product | 21:10 |
| jcastro | but it's not | 21:10 |
| jcastro | _nexus_ is a product | 21:10 |
| rick_h__ | jcastro: because people use real carriers that don't have nexus phones | 21:43 |
| rick_h__ | and nexus phones only come out every OS release, so there's big gaps where people's contracts run out and they feel compelled to get new shiny devices | 21:43 |
| rick_h__ | however, as someone that's learned my lesson...nexus ftw (hopefully come ICS+1) | 21:44 |
| brousch | i see others buy non-nexus devices, and i see their suffering | 22:02 |
| brousch | so i wait patiently for a more open device | 22:02 |
| jcastro | rick_h__: they're pretty consistant, usually always right before the holidays | 22:11 |
| jcastro | every year | 22:11 |
| jcastro | but that can be expensive | 22:11 |
| jcastro | I go every other year | 22:11 |
| rick_h_droid | jcastro yea but this is the first chance at Verizon | 22:13 |
| jcastro | nod | 22:13 |
| rick_h_droid | galaxy s was the first to run on sprint | 22:14 |
| jcastro | I hope they just make quad band ones from now on | 22:14 |
| jcastro | does verizon have a "bring your own phone"? | 22:14 |
| rick_h_droid | yea I'm going to be jealous when yours works in Budapest | 22:14 |
| rick_h_droid | no which is why it's contracts and subsidies or bust | 22:15 |
| brousch | the droid1 has been good to me | 22:16 |
| greg-g | I love this title: 2011 in Review: The year secrecy jumped the shark | 22:24 |
| greg-g | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/2011-review-year-secrecy-jumped-shark | 22:24 |
| brousch | d000d brondsema is speaking at pycon! https://us.pycon.org/2012/schedule/presentation/131/ | 22:41 |
| snap-l | That's awesome! | 23:15 |
| rick_h_droid | yea, good stuff brousch | 23:25 |
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