=== ninkendo_ is now known as ninkendo [01:22] Good evening [01:27] party [01:27] We all still have our sanity? [01:28] yea wrapping complete so yay [01:31] Yeah, I'm glad my wrapping is done [01:31] JoDee did most of it, and this afternoon I ducked out to finish her presents [01:31] though one isn't quite here ye. [01:32] Hope it arrives tomorrow / Saturday. [01:32] But not holding my breath [01:32] cutting it close aren't we? [01:33] Well, I knew it might not make it here in time [01:33] frankly if it's late, oh well [01:33] gotcha [01:33] it's just a T-shirt anyway. [01:39] I love how my uncle addressed a card to me "Crig" [01:39] Really, i don't have a complex. [01:45] lol, not a close uncle I guess [01:46] No, he's just not particularly good with social graces. [01:46] He calls me "the boy". [01:46] at least to my dad. [01:46] and my mom "the wife" [01:46] nice [01:47] Yeah, awesome, isn't it? [01:48] I do refer to Michael as "the boy" [01:48] On occasion, it's socially acceptable [01:48] now I'm going to feel bad [01:48] Don't feel bad just becuase my uncle is a putz. [01:49] or rather, can be a putz [01:49] on the same token, he sent us $$, so I'm not complaining either. [01:49] hah [03:43] rick_h_droid: Did you just get your KindleDX? [03:43] or did you just get the shipping otice that they overtnighted it? [03:43] snapl, no but got tracking that it's overnigbt [03:43] Oh, nice. [03:44] normally Woot stuff takes 10+, days [03:44] I can see what you'll be doing tomorrow [03:44] stalking the elusive driver. [03:44] heh [03:44] usually overnight comes in a van in the morning. [03:45] but sure it must be a crazy day tomorrow for them [03:47] Oh hell yes. [03:47] If they do show up, expect your package to be launched from said van. [03:47] hah [03:50] lol http://www.woot.com/Forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=4771431&PageIndex=1&ReplyCount=237 [03:50] guess WV isn't a very literate state...who'd have thunk it [12:16] morning party people [12:55] <_stink_> morning [12:55] <_stink_> are peeps working today? [12:55] yea, new job == no vacation days to spare [12:55] <_stink_> yeah, bummer [12:56] all good, think it'll be a light day. [12:56] everyone else on my team is gone [12:56] shoot, most everyone is gone [12:56] <_stink_> we're technically working today, but i'm work from home, and i bet it's going to be quiet there anyway [12:56] and I'm out all next week [12:56] <_stink_> yeah [12:56] Morning. I'm working. [12:56] for some value of "working" [12:56] <_stink_> hah [12:56] heh, exactly [13:06] I'm working today [13:08] i have a half day [13:08] I have a fool-day. [13:10] at the old job? [13:10] Yep [13:10] New job starts in January. [13:27] greg-g: http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/18/does-apple-support-the-stop-online-piracy-act-by-proxy-at-least/ [13:35] Yeah, it looks like the BSA pulled their support [13:36] I sent a note to my review rep at Pearson to say that I wouldn't be doing any more promo stuff for them if they support SOPA> [13:36] too bad. i was just getting my annoyingly anti-apple rant ready again [13:36] Heh [13:38] My hope is that companies listen to what we're telling them re: SOPA being a bad deal, and piracy not being the problem they need to chase. [13:38] my fear is they won't listen. [13:39] (still) [13:40] When somebody from "the industry" talks about how piracy is hurting their business I just want to scream, "Louis C.K., motherf***er!" in their face. [13:43] of course, Louis C.K. is hurting their business too, by self-publishing his video. :-) [13:43] Louis CK is a datapoint [13:43] he's not proof [13:44] however, there are a LOT of datapoints [13:44] He's the most recent of several datapoints [13:52] It's also impractical to scream proof at somebody. Single datapoints are much better for screaming. ;-) [14:00] what to do with this day off? [14:02] http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/22/vader-takes-on-hitler-in-historical-rap-battle/?hpt=hp_c2 [14:02] jrwren: occupy detroit [14:02] lolz [14:07] brousch++ [14:28] hey rick_h__ [14:28] I am realizing something lately the more I use unity [14:28] jcastro: yep [14:28] I'm not using the launcher icons either [14:28] I'm like a pseudo tiling window manager guy [14:28] but I do thinks like take showers [14:28] yea, that's a solid plus on your side [14:28] hah [14:29] yea, my desktop I run unity on, but I just use it for browser/terminal tiled side by side [14:29] rick_h__: so when they remove the huge icons from the home dash [14:29] and gimme back my collapseable quake dash [14:29] I'll be good to go [14:29] awesome [14:30] so the key to running unity without annoyance is to ignore the gui? [14:30] :) [14:30] brousch: you're never happy [14:30] "oh...hmm..unity..." [14:30] "gnome3 ftw! hell yeaz bitches!" [14:30] "so KDE is a lot nicer than it was last week!" [14:30] "xubuntu, wow, great install" [14:30] :P [14:31] i like kde, but i keep using all my ram with it [14:31] yes, they all suck in some way. now i have to decide what annoys me the least [14:31] i have unity, gnome shell, kde, and xfce installed right now and can switch between them at login [14:32] next, install awesome and you can switch it out at login :) [14:32] or xmonad [14:32] what was that python tiling window manager? [14:32] something with a b...bluetile or something? [14:33] http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/bluetile-052-tiling-window-manager.html [14:35] i am starting to realize how hard i am to please [14:35] welcome to the club! here's your card, and your wall plate. [14:36] There's a wall plate? I didn't get a wall plate. [14:36] i don't like this card. it clashes with my debit card [14:36] I wish my video card matched my motherboard. [14:36] wall plate? like i would spoil my perfectly white walls with such trash [14:37] it's all the wrong color, even though I only see it whenever I open the computer [14:37] snap-l: but you know it's there [14:37] see, the crew of "hard to please" just keeps getting bigger [14:37] mismatches hardware, off color wall plates...damn picky people [14:37] brousch: Yes, yes, I know [14:37] and the heatsinks are gold, and not black [14:38] spray paint them. I hear that's good for thermal conductivity [14:38] rick_h__: Heavy laquer? [14:38] oh definitely, rustoleam I think is best [14:39] one thing i haven't tried is unity2d [14:40] the 3d depeendency in unity annoys me because i have older computers it fails on [14:53] rick_h__: hey if that bug was self inflicted don't forget to delete the bug report if it's useless now [14:54] jcastro: I marked it invalid and noted the fix/issue [14:54] <3 [14:55] I supervised. [14:57] bah, unity2d gave me 1 workspace, no obvious way to add more, and the menus still self-hide in the top bar [14:57] Apparently that's the "Unity" part of UNity [14:57] The unified menu bar [14:59] the unity menu bar should go unify itself with a stick of dynamite [15:00] I won't argue with that. [15:02] I can more or less live with every other thing Unity does, but that menu bar make the entire thing a horrible user experience. [15:03] Well, it essentially killed focus follows mouse for me [15:06] yep. It completely breaks that. [15:07] So when somebody asks how to do something in bash, I probably should not answer with anything that begins in "perl -e", should I? [15:07] you should. [15:08] Wolfger: you can, though it's not considered polite to do so [15:08] snap-l: that is what I thought [15:08] I like ColonelPanic001's answer better, though :-) [15:09] Well, the difference between polite and rude is listening to ColonelPanic001's advice. [15:09] \o/ [15:09] Also, best tool for the job and such [15:09] I have to quote that somewhere. [15:10] yeah, non-joking answer is a lot of the time, it's easier/etc in perl anyway. I hate writing shell scripts, so as soon as I need a loop, I switch to Perl/etc [15:10] Depends on the loop [15:10] if it's just something to iterate over files, I'll write it in bash [15:10] maybe then, yeah [15:11] ColonelPanic001: you're doing it wrong :P [15:11] "as soon as I need a for loop I get a Python shell out..." [15:12] that was the "etc" :P [15:12] I'm just more used to Perl [15:15] rick_h__++ [15:28] I just find that "perl -e" is the most useful bash command in existence. :-) [15:28] with the possible exceptions of ls and grep [15:28] oh, and man [15:29] perl -e, the most useful command since the invention of man. [15:29] er, wait. [15:29] ipython [15:29] I <3 ipython [15:29] why wait for the script to run, run it as you type it :) [15:29] ipython is awesome for noodling in python [15:30] I use it for shell stuff as well [15:31] I wish every language had ipython-like features [15:31] reminds me a lot of dinking around with gdb [15:31] although not as horrid [15:34] * rick_h__ starts chanting..." I will not look at the bzr logs to see who the @#$#@ wrote this code...I will not.... [15:34] Oh, c'mon. :) [15:35] git blame is cathartic. :) [15:35] anyone use zenoss before? [15:36] jcastro: No, but I have the T-Shirts and hats. [15:36] heh [15:36] jcastro: tried once, they've done a lot of talks at OLF [15:36] me too [15:36] seemed cool, but packages always seemed a bit off [15:36] I'm going to fix them [15:36] with juju [15:36] ah, gotcha [15:36] well [15:36] let me restate [15:36] I'm going to show them how to fix themselves [15:36] with juju [15:36] heh [15:36] * snap-l needs to look more into Juju [15:37] seems interesting, but not quite sure where it fits. [15:37] do you need to fire up and tear down instances over and over? [15:39] Not generally [15:40] but I may at some point [15:40] I would like something that build virtualbox instances quickly [15:40] that doesn't entail downloading an image over the Internet ala vagrant. [15:43] you only download the imange once [15:43] and you can build your own locally [15:45] someone is working on a VB provider actually [15:52] I can't wait until this weekend is past. everyone I ever bought anything from is tring to let me know they'll deliver before christmas [15:52] heh [15:52] heh [15:52] Yeah, I'm ready to be done with the holiday season. [15:53] http://blog.jcuff.net/2011/12/cautionary-tale-about-storage-and.html [15:53] I need an "out of office" like flag. "All gifts purcahsed...done buying" [15:53] RETAILER_PISSOFF [15:56] jrwren: lol [16:00] "Increase your rod-on quality" - Ah, good ol' junk spam [16:08] jrwren: that reminds me of the ME student that was upset because they were only getting 99% CPU according to 'top', and wanted their process to be niced lower than the kernel so they could get 100% [16:54] rofl [16:55] snap-l: well, I guess they COULD run a RTOS :) [16:55] or run on a kernel-less system. [17:31] woot, dx loading up [17:32] pdfs do look nicer *sigh* but lack of whispersync and such is going to be a pita [17:36] rick_h__: DX doesn't have 3G? [17:37] it does, but it'd doesn't sync pdfs you load yourself [17:37] if it's outside the AMZ ecosystem no whispersync [17:37] I guess that's true of the outside mobi as well so nvm [17:40] rick_h__: Yeah, I didn't think anything but AMZ content got Whispersync. [17:40] just struck me when I loaded a ton of pdfs and none are where I left off :( [17:41] doh, cool though [17:41] None of the readers I've used have ever synced loaded content. [17:41] yea, it wasn't bad but when I started using the web reader some it was very cool [17:42] now I've got two kindles + web reader [17:42] and the phone is more usable, though not sure when I'd pick that over the web reader [17:55] I keep my old kindle [17:55] can't stand long-term reading on a tablet/phone [17:58] yea, I just have gotten to doing too many technical books and oreilly deals that look much better on the DX [17:58] but kindle is the one true reading device for sure. Eink or bust [18:04] 2 more days... [18:05] before? [18:10] The birth of some dude from the middle east. [18:13] ah, that's good. Feel like I should have gotten a gift or something [18:13] hah [18:14] hilarious, @MPAA on twitter is following 1,666 accounts, while only 757 accounts follow it [18:16] rick_h__: before I get the sweet taste of e-ink on my hands [19:52] rick_h__: my son liked muppets from space. thanks for the suggestion [19:59] whoa, it worked. godaddy gave up [20:02] no [20:02] them giving up would be them going away [20:04] well we made them cry. that is something [20:04] brousch glad he liked it [20:05] it doesn't matter, does anyone really want ot do business with anyone who even previously supported it? [20:08] jrwren: yeah, especially someone who had their GC working with congress people on the drafts [20:11] or a company known for terrible service and being jerks in general. I'm kind of surprised that people who care about SOPA still use godaddy. [20:12] s/use/used/ [20:13] I've long since boycotted GoDaddy it's just another validation of why. [20:14] I think the thing is that it's just work to move [20:14] it's not so easy as just go from amazon.com to xxx.com next time [20:14] all your old stuff is there, you've got to figure out how to unlock your domains, get the auth codes, wait on emails, etc [20:14] yeah domain transfers can be a bitch for sure [20:15] lol http://twitter.com/#!/hipsterhacker/status/150301726040264704 [20:19] rick_h__: hah [20:29] J's mom is over [20:29] have fun! [20:30] greg-g: Ho boy [20:31] greg-g: exactly! fuck your GC and fuck lobby owned congress. :) [20:37] My favorite when I transferred my domains was trying to get through their privacy bullshit [20:37] forgot the password, and e-mail address was on an old account [20:37] literally faxed them my drivers license and they STILL wouldn't unlock the domain [20:38] finally figured out what I used, unlocked the domain, and vowed never to deal with GoDaddy ever again. [20:38] They're the Mel Farr of the Internet. [20:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Farr [20:40] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnesVqoOPwA [20:40] to be fair, "I don't have the password nor access to the email account" does sound kind of shady :P [20:40] right, and it's my own damn fault [20:41] but if I provide ID and go through their stupid hoops, I'd expect to get access again [20:43] And again, I'm glad I guessed it, otherwise I'd still have some domains registered withthem. [20:45] lol @ mel farr [20:45] but he is a superstarr! [20:45] and has a far better deal. [20:45] i moved to simpledns. api access to manage my domains FTW! [20:46] but i moved from register.com and from bluehost. [20:46] i don't think I ever was with godaddy [20:46] gandi.net [20:46] that's what the real hippies of OSS use. :) [20:46] i'm a capitalist, not a commie [20:47] yet simpledns is french, go figure. [21:05] rick_h__: [21:05] explain something to me [21:05] since you're like android fan #1 or something [21:05] lol [21:05] if rick_h__ is #1 fan, Android is in trouble. [21:05] https://plus.google.com/113210431006401244170/posts/Xp4nBqTyk97 [21:06] why do people buy non nexus phones? [21:06] if they want upgrades [21:06] no idea. [21:06] i've no idea why anyone would buy a carrier controlled phone given todays rate of change. [21:06] its one huge reason I run ios [21:09] I'm having a hard time finding any reason [21:09] but if you say so. :) [21:09] i guess you can just root your phone and upgrade the android on it. [21:10] i guess that is the use case. [21:10] well the thing is [21:10] people think android is a product [21:10] but it's not [21:10] _nexus_ is a product [21:43] jcastro: because people use real carriers that don't have nexus phones [21:43] and nexus phones only come out every OS release, so there's big gaps where people's contracts run out and they feel compelled to get new shiny devices [21:44] however, as someone that's learned my lesson...nexus ftw (hopefully come ICS+1) [22:02] i see others buy non-nexus devices, and i see their suffering [22:02] so i wait patiently for a more open device [22:11] rick_h__: they're pretty consistant, usually always right before the holidays [22:11] every year [22:11] but that can be expensive [22:11] I go every other year [22:13] jcastro yea but this is the first chance at Verizon [22:13] nod [22:14] galaxy s was the first to run on sprint [22:14] I hope they just make quad band ones from now on [22:14] does verizon have a "bring your own phone"? [22:14] yea I'm going to be jealous when yours works in Budapest [22:15] no which is why it's contracts and subsidies or bust [22:16] the droid1 has been good to me [22:24] I love this title: 2011 in Review: The year secrecy jumped the shark [22:24] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/2011-review-year-secrecy-jumped-shark [22:41] d000d brondsema is speaking at pycon! https://us.pycon.org/2012/schedule/presentation/131/ [23:15] That's awesome! [23:25] yea, good stuff brousch