[01:22] <snap-l> Good evening
[01:27] <rick_h_droid> party
[01:27] <snap-l> We all still have our sanity?
[01:28] <rick_h_droid> yea wrapping complete so yay
[01:31] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm glad my wrapping is done
[01:31] <snap-l> JoDee did most of it, and this afternoon I ducked out to finish her presents
[01:31] <snap-l> though one isn't quite here ye.
[01:32] <snap-l> Hope it arrives tomorrow / Saturday.
[01:32] <snap-l> But not holding my breath
[01:32] <rick_h_droid> cutting it close aren't we?
[01:33] <snap-l> Well, I knew it might not make it here in time
[01:33] <snap-l> frankly if it's late, oh well
[01:33] <rick_h_droid> gotcha
[01:33] <snap-l> it's just a T-shirt anyway.
[01:39] <snap-l> I love how my uncle addressed a card to me "Crig"
[01:39] <snap-l> Really, i don't have a complex.
[01:45] <rick_h_droid> lol, not a close uncle I guess
[01:46] <snap-l> No, he's just not particularly good with social graces.
[01:46] <snap-l> He calls me "the boy".
[01:46] <snap-l> at least to my dad.
[01:46] <snap-l> and my mom "the wife"
[01:46] <rick_h_droid> nice
[01:47] <snap-l> Yeah, awesome, isn't it?
[01:48] <rick_h_droid> I do refer to Michael as "the boy"
[01:48] <snap-l> On occasion, it's socially acceptable
[01:48] <rick_h_droid> now I'm going to feel bad
[01:48] <snap-l> Don't feel bad just becuase my uncle is a putz.
[01:49] <snap-l> or rather, can be a putz
[01:49] <snap-l> on the same token, he sent us $$, so I'm not complaining either.
[01:49] <rick_h_droid> hah
[03:43] <snap-l> rick_h_droid: Did you just get your KindleDX?
[03:43] <snap-l> or did you just get the shipping otice that they overtnighted it?
[03:43] <rick_h_droid> snapl, no but got tracking that it's overnigbt
[03:43] <snap-l> Oh, nice.
[03:44] <rick_h_droid> normally Woot stuff takes 10+, days
[03:44] <snap-l> I can see what you'll be doing tomorrow
[03:44] <snap-l> stalking the elusive driver.
[03:44] <rick_h_droid> heh
[03:44] <rick_h_droid> usually overnight comes in a van in the morning.
[03:45] <rick_h_droid> but sure it must be a crazy day tomorrow for them
[03:47] <snap-l> Oh hell yes.
[03:47] <snap-l> If they do show up, expect your package to be launched from said van.
[03:47] <rick_h_droid> hah
[03:50] <rick_h__> lol http://www.woot.com/Forums/viewpost.aspx?PostID=4771431&PageIndex=1&ReplyCount=237
[03:50] <rick_h__> guess WV isn't a very literate state...who'd have thunk it
[12:16] <rick_h__> morning party people
[12:55] <_stink_> morning
[12:55] <_stink_> are peeps working today?
[12:55] <rick_h__> yea, new job == no vacation days to spare
[12:55] <_stink_> yeah, bummer
[12:56] <rick_h__> all good, think it'll be a light day.
[12:56] <rick_h__> everyone else on my team is gone
[12:56] <rick_h__> shoot, most everyone is gone
[12:56] <_stink_> we're technically working today, but i'm work from home, and i bet it's going to be quiet there anyway
[12:56] <rick_h__> and I'm out all next week
[12:56] <_stink_> yeah
[12:56] <Wolfger> Morning. I'm working.
[12:56] <Wolfger> for some value of "working"
[12:56] <_stink_> hah
[12:56] <rick_h__> heh, exactly
[13:06] <snap-l> I'm working today
[13:08] <brousch> i have a half day
[13:08] <snap-l> I have a fool-day.
[13:10] <brousch> at the old job?
[13:10] <snap-l> Yep
[13:10] <snap-l> New job starts in January.
[13:27] <brousch> greg-g: http://9to5mac.com/2011/11/18/does-apple-support-the-stop-online-piracy-act-by-proxy-at-least/
[13:35] <snap-l> Yeah, it looks like the BSA pulled their support
[13:36] <snap-l> I sent a note to my review rep at Pearson to say that I wouldn't be doing any more promo stuff for them if they support SOPA>
[13:36] <brousch> too bad. i was just getting my annoyingly anti-apple rant ready again
[13:36] <snap-l> Heh
[13:38] <snap-l> My hope is that companies listen to what we're telling them re: SOPA being a bad deal, and piracy not being the problem they need to chase.
[13:38] <snap-l> my fear is they won't listen.
[13:39] <snap-l> (still)
[13:40] <Wolfger> When somebody from "the industry" talks about how piracy is hurting their business I just want to scream, "Louis C.K., motherf***er!" in their face.
[13:43] <Wolfger> of course, Louis C.K. is hurting their business too, by self-publishing his video. :-)
[13:43] <snap-l> Louis CK is a datapoint
[13:43] <snap-l> he's not proof
[13:44] <snap-l> however, there are a LOT of datapoints
[13:44] <Wolfger> He's the most recent of several datapoints
[13:52] <Wolfger> It's also impractical to scream proof at somebody. Single datapoints are much better for screaming. ;-)
[14:00] <jrwren> what to do with this day off?
[14:02] <Wolfger> http://geekout.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/22/vader-takes-on-hitler-in-historical-rap-battle/?hpt=hp_c2
[14:02] <brousch> jrwren: occupy detroit
[14:02] <jrwren> lolz
[14:07] <Wolfger> brousch++
[14:28] <jcastro> hey rick_h__
[14:28] <jcastro> I am realizing something lately the more I use unity
[14:28] <rick_h__> jcastro: yep
[14:28] <jcastro> I'm not using the launcher icons either
[14:28] <jcastro> I'm like a pseudo tiling window manager guy
[14:28] <jcastro> but I do thinks like take showers
[14:28] <rick_h__> yea, that's a solid plus on your side
[14:28] <jcastro> hah
[14:29] <rick_h__> yea, my desktop I run unity on, but I just use it for browser/terminal tiled side by side
[14:29] <jcastro> rick_h__: so when they remove the huge icons from the home dash
[14:29] <jcastro> and gimme back my collapseable quake dash
[14:29] <jcastro> I'll be good to go
[14:29] <rick_h__> awesome
[14:30] <brousch> so the key to running unity without annoyance is to ignore the gui?
[14:30] <rick_h__> :)
[14:30] <rick_h__> brousch: you're never happy
[14:30] <rick_h__> "oh...hmm..unity..."
[14:30] <rick_h__> "gnome3 ftw! hell yeaz bitches!"
[14:30] <rick_h__> "so KDE is a lot nicer than it was last week!"
[14:30] <rick_h__> "xubuntu, wow, great install"
[14:30] <rick_h__> :P
[14:31] <brousch> i like kde, but i keep using all my ram with it
[14:31] <brousch> yes, they all suck in some way. now i have to decide what annoys me the least
[14:31] <brousch> i have unity, gnome shell, kde, and xfce installed right now and can switch between them at login
[14:32] <rick_h__> next, install awesome and you can switch it out at login :)
[14:32] <rick_h__> or xmonad
[14:32] <brousch> what was that python tiling window manager?
[14:32] <rick_h__> something with a b...bluetile or something?
[14:33] <rick_h__> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/bluetile-052-tiling-window-manager.html
[14:35] <brousch> i am starting to realize how hard i am to please
[14:35] <rick_h__> welcome to the club! here's your card, and your wall plate.
[14:36] <Wolfger> There's a wall plate? I didn't get a wall plate.
[14:36] <brousch> i don't like this card. it clashes with my debit card
[14:36] <snap-l> I wish my video card matched my motherboard.
[14:36] <brousch> wall plate? like i would spoil my perfectly white walls with such trash
[14:37] <snap-l> it's all the wrong color, even though I only see it whenever I open the computer
[14:37] <brousch> snap-l: but you know it's there
[14:37] <rick_h__> see, the crew of "hard to please" just keeps getting bigger
[14:37] <rick_h__> mismatches hardware, off color wall plates...damn picky people
[14:37] <snap-l> brousch: Yes, yes, I know
[14:37] <snap-l> and the heatsinks are gold, and not black
[14:38] <rick_h__> spray paint them. I hear that's good for thermal conductivity
[14:38] <snap-l> rick_h__: Heavy laquer?
[14:38] <rick_h__> oh definitely, rustoleam I think is best
[14:39] <brousch> one thing i haven't tried is unity2d
[14:40] <brousch> the 3d depeendency in unity annoys me because i have older computers it fails on
[14:53] <jcastro> rick_h__: hey if that bug was self inflicted don't forget to delete the bug report if it's useless now
[14:54] <rick_h__> jcastro: I marked it invalid and noted the fix/issue
[14:54] <jcastro> <3
[14:55] <snap-l> I supervised.
[14:57] <brousch> bah, unity2d gave me 1 workspace, no obvious way to add more, and the menus still self-hide in the top bar
[14:57] <snap-l> Apparently that's the "Unity" part of UNity
[14:57] <snap-l> The unified menu bar
[14:59] <Wolfger> the unity menu bar should go unify itself with a stick of dynamite
[15:00] <snap-l> I won't argue with that.
[15:02] <Wolfger> I can more or less live with every other thing Unity does, but that menu bar make the entire thing a horrible user experience.
[15:03] <snap-l> Well, it essentially killed focus follows mouse for me
[15:06] <Wolfger> yep. It completely breaks that.
[15:07] <Wolfger> So when somebody asks how to do something in bash, I probably should not answer with anything that begins in "perl -e", should I?
[15:07] <ColonelPanic001> you should.
[15:08] <snap-l> Wolfger: you can, though it's not considered polite to do so
[15:08] <Wolfger> snap-l: that is what I thought
[15:08] <Wolfger> I like ColonelPanic001's answer better, though :-)
[15:09] <snap-l> Well, the difference between polite and rude is listening to ColonelPanic001's advice.
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> \o/
[15:09] <snap-l> Also, best tool for the job and such
[15:09] <ColonelPanic001> I have to quote that somewhere.
[15:10] <ColonelPanic001> yeah, non-joking answer is a lot of the time, it's easier/etc in perl anyway. I hate writing shell scripts, so as soon as I need a loop, I switch to Perl/etc
[15:10] <snap-l> Depends on the loop
[15:10] <snap-l> if it's just something to iterate over files, I'll write it in bash
[15:10] <ColonelPanic001> maybe then, yeah
[15:11] <rick_h__> ColonelPanic001: you're doing it wrong :P
[15:11] <rick_h__> "as soon as I need a for loop I get a Python shell out..."
[15:12] <ColonelPanic001> that was the "etc" :P
[15:12] <ColonelPanic001> I'm just more used to Perl
[15:15] <brousch> rick_h__++
[15:28] <Wolfger> I just find that "perl -e" is the most useful bash command in existence. :-)
[15:28] <Wolfger> with the possible exceptions of ls and grep
[15:28] <Wolfger> oh, and man
[15:29] <snap-l> perl -e, the most useful command since the invention of man.
[15:29] <snap-l> er, wait.
[15:29] <rick_h__> ipython
[15:29] <snap-l> I <3 ipython
[15:29] <rick_h__> why wait for the script to run, run it as you type it :)
[15:29] <snap-l> ipython is awesome for noodling in python
[15:30] <rick_h__> I use it for shell stuff as well
[15:31] <snap-l> I wish every language had ipython-like features
[15:31] <snap-l> reminds me a lot of dinking around with gdb
[15:31] <snap-l> although not as horrid
[15:34]  * rick_h__ starts chanting..." I will not look at the bzr logs to see who the @#$#@ wrote this code...I will not....
[15:34] <snap-l> Oh, c'mon. :)
[15:35] <snap-l> git blame is cathartic. :)
[15:35] <jcastro> anyone use zenoss before?
[15:36] <snap-l> jcastro: No, but I have the T-Shirts and hats.
[15:36] <jcastro> heh
[15:36] <rick_h__> jcastro: tried once, they've done a lot of talks at OLF
[15:36] <jcastro> me too
[15:36] <rick_h__> seemed cool, but packages always seemed a bit off
[15:36] <jcastro> I'm going to fix them
[15:36] <jcastro> with juju
[15:36] <rick_h__> ah, gotcha
[15:36] <jcastro> well
[15:36] <jcastro> let me restate
[15:36] <jcastro> I'm going to show them how to fix themselves
[15:36] <jcastro> with juju
[15:36] <snap-l> heh
[15:36]  * snap-l needs to look more into Juju
[15:37] <snap-l> seems interesting, but not quite sure where it fits.
[15:37] <jcastro> do you need to fire up and tear down instances over and over?
[15:39] <snap-l> Not generally
[15:40] <snap-l> but I may at some point
[15:40] <snap-l> I would like something that build virtualbox instances quickly
[15:40] <snap-l> that doesn't entail downloading an image over the Internet ala vagrant.
[15:43] <rick_h__> you only download the imange once
[15:43] <rick_h__> and you can build your own locally
[15:45] <jcastro> someone is working on a VB provider actually
[15:52] <rick_h__> I can't wait until this weekend is past. everyone I ever bought anything from is tring to let me know they'll deliver before christmas
[15:52] <jcastro> heh
[15:52] <snap-l> heh
[15:52] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm ready to be done with the holiday season.
[15:53] <jrwren> http://blog.jcuff.net/2011/12/cautionary-tale-about-storage-and.html
[15:53] <rick_h__> I need an "out of office" like flag. "All gifts purcahsed...done buying"
[15:53] <snap-l> RETAILER_PISSOFF
[15:56] <rick_h__> jrwren: lol
[16:00] <snap-l> "Increase your rod-on quality" - Ah, good ol' junk spam
[16:08] <snap-l> jrwren: that reminds me of the ME student that was upset because they were only getting 99% CPU according to 'top', and wanted their process to be niced lower than the kernel so they could get 100%
[16:54] <jrwren> rofl
[16:55] <jrwren> snap-l: well, I guess they COULD run a RTOS :)
[16:55] <jrwren> or run on a kernel-less system.
[17:31] <rick_h__> woot, dx loading up
[17:32] <rick_h__> pdfs do look nicer *sigh* but lack of whispersync and such is going to be a pita
[17:36] <snap-l> rick_h__: DX doesn't have 3G?
[17:37] <rick_h__> it does, but it'd doesn't sync pdfs you load yourself
[17:37] <rick_h__> if it's outside the AMZ ecosystem no whispersync
[17:37] <rick_h__> I guess that's true of the outside mobi as well so nvm
[17:40] <snap-l> rick_h__: Yeah, I didn't think anything but AMZ content got Whispersync.
[17:40] <rick_h__> just struck me when I loaded a ton of pdfs and none are where I left off :(
[17:41] <rick_h__> doh, cool though
[17:41] <snap-l> None of the readers I've used have ever synced loaded content.
[17:41] <rick_h__> yea, it wasn't bad but when I started using the web reader some it was very cool
[17:42] <rick_h__> now I've got two kindles + web reader
[17:42] <rick_h__> and the phone is more usable, though not sure when I'd pick that over the web reader
[17:55] <jcastro> I keep my old kindle
[17:55] <jcastro> can't stand long-term reading on a tablet/phone
[17:58] <rick_h__> yea, I just have gotten to doing too many technical books and oreilly deals that look much better on the DX
[17:58] <rick_h__> but kindle is the one true reading device for sure. Eink or bust
[18:04] <Wolfger> 2 more days...
[18:05] <rick_h__> before?
[18:10] <CrusaderAD> The birth of some dude from the middle east.
[18:13] <rick_h__> ah, that's good. Feel like I should have gotten a gift or something
[18:13] <snap-l> hah
[18:14] <greg-g> hilarious, @MPAA on twitter is following 1,666 accounts, while only 757 accounts follow it
[18:16] <Wolfger> rick_h__: before I get the sweet taste of e-ink on my hands
[19:52] <brousch> rick_h__: my son liked muppets from space. thanks for the suggestion
[19:59] <brousch> whoa, it worked. godaddy gave up
[20:02] <jcastro> no
[20:02] <jcastro> them giving up would be them going away
[20:04] <brousch> well we made them cry. that is something
[20:04] <rick_h_31> brousch glad he liked it
[20:05] <jrwren> it doesn't matter, does anyone really want ot do business with anyone who even previously supported it?
[20:08] <greg-g> jrwren: yeah, especially someone who had their GC working with congress people on the drafts
[20:11] <Blazeix> or a company known for terrible service and being jerks in general. I'm kind of surprised that people who care about SOPA still use godaddy.
[20:12] <Blazeix> s/use/used/
[20:13] <krondor> I've long since boycotted GoDaddy it's just another validation of why.
[20:14] <rick_h__> I think the thing is that it's just work to move
[20:14] <rick_h__> it's not so easy as just go from amazon.com to xxx.com next time
[20:14] <rick_h__> all your old stuff is there, you've got to figure out how to unlock your domains, get the auth codes, wait on emails, etc
[20:14] <krondor> yeah domain transfers can be a bitch for sure
[20:15] <rick_h__> lol http://twitter.com/#!/hipsterhacker/status/150301726040264704
[20:19] <jcastro> rick_h__: hah
[20:29] <snap-l> J's mom is over
[20:29] <greg-g> have fun!
[20:30] <snap-l> greg-g: Ho boy
[20:31] <jrwren> greg-g: exactly!  fuck your GC and fuck lobby owned congress.  :)
[20:37] <snap-l> My favorite when I transferred my domains was trying to get through their privacy bullshit
[20:37] <snap-l> forgot the password, and e-mail address was on an old account
[20:37] <snap-l> literally faxed them my drivers license and they STILL wouldn't unlock the domain
[20:38] <snap-l> finally figured out what I used, unlocked the domain, and vowed never to deal with GoDaddy ever again.
[20:38] <snap-l> They're the Mel Farr of the Internet.
[20:38] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Farr
[20:40] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnesVqoOPwA
[20:40] <Blazeix> to be fair, "I don't have the password nor access to the email account" does sound kind of shady :P
[20:40] <snap-l> right, and it's my own damn fault
[20:41] <snap-l> but if I provide ID and go through their stupid hoops, I'd expect to get access again
[20:43] <snap-l> And again, I'm glad I guessed it, otherwise I'd still have some domains registered withthem.
[20:45] <jrwren> lol @ mel farr
[20:45] <jrwren> but he is a superstarr!
[20:45] <jrwren> and has a far better deal.
[20:45] <jrwren> i moved to simpledns. api access to manage my domains FTW!
[20:46] <jrwren> but i moved from register.com and from bluehost.
[20:46] <jrwren> i don't think I ever was with godaddy
[20:46] <snap-l> gandi.net
[20:46] <snap-l> that's what the real hippies of OSS use. :)
[20:46] <jrwren> i'm a capitalist, not a commie
[20:47] <jrwren> yet simpledns is french, go figure.
[21:05] <jcastro> rick_h__:
[21:05] <jcastro> explain something to me
[21:05] <jcastro> since you're like android fan #1 or something
[21:05] <jrwren> lol
[21:05] <snap-l> if rick_h__ is #1 fan, Android is in trouble.
[21:05] <jcastro> https://plus.google.com/113210431006401244170/posts/Xp4nBqTyk97
[21:06] <jcastro> why do people buy non nexus phones?
[21:06] <jcastro> if they want upgrades
[21:06] <jrwren> no idea.
[21:06] <jrwren> i've no idea why anyone would buy a carrier controlled phone given todays rate of change.
[21:06] <jrwren> its one huge reason I run ios
[21:09] <jcastro> I'm having a hard time finding any reason
[21:09] <jcastro> but if you say so. :)
[21:09] <jrwren> i guess you can just root your phone and upgrade the android on it.
[21:10] <jrwren> i guess that is the use case.
[21:10] <jcastro> well the thing is
[21:10] <jcastro> people think android is a product
[21:10] <jcastro> but it's not
[21:10] <jcastro> _nexus_ is a product
[21:43] <rick_h__> jcastro: because people use real carriers that don't have nexus phones
[21:43] <rick_h__> and nexus phones only come out every OS release, so there's big gaps where people's contracts run out and they feel compelled to get new shiny devices
[21:44] <rick_h__> however, as someone that's learned my lesson...nexus ftw (hopefully come ICS+1)
[22:02] <brousch> i see others buy non-nexus devices, and i see their suffering
[22:02] <brousch> so i wait patiently for a more open device
[22:11] <jcastro> rick_h__: they're pretty consistant, usually always right before the holidays
[22:11] <jcastro> every year
[22:11] <jcastro> but that can be expensive
[22:11] <jcastro> I go every other year
[22:13] <rick_h_droid> jcastro yea but this is the first chance at Verizon
[22:13] <jcastro> nod
[22:14] <rick_h_droid> galaxy s was the first to run on sprint
[22:14] <jcastro> I hope they just make quad band ones from now on
[22:14] <jcastro> does verizon have a "bring your own phone"?
[22:14] <rick_h_droid> yea I'm going to be jealous when yours works in Budapest
[22:15] <rick_h_droid> no which is why it's contracts and subsidies or bust
[22:16] <brousch> the droid1 has been good to me
[22:24] <greg-g> I love this title: 2011 in Review: The year secrecy jumped the shark
[22:24] <greg-g> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/12/2011-review-year-secrecy-jumped-shark
[22:41] <brousch> d000d brondsema is speaking at pycon! https://us.pycon.org/2012/schedule/presentation/131/
[23:15] <snap-l> That's awesome!
[23:25] <rick_h_droid> yea, good stuff brousch