[04:25] <ben_> how do I tell if ubuntu studio controls is installed?
[04:26] <ben_> how do I determine if ubuntu studio is installed?
[04:27] <holstein> ben_: you can go and search for them in whatever package manger you use
[04:27] <holstein> you shouldnt need them though
[04:29] <ben_> holstein, ...good idea...
[04:30] <ben_> holstein, I'm really just trying to find the Ubuntu Studio Controls so I can enable 1394 raw access
[04:30] <holstein> ben_: right, you dont need to do that anymore
[04:30] <holstein> whats the issue?
[04:30] <holstein> when troubleshooting my FW device, i run gksudo qjackctl to troubleshoot around the premissions errors
[04:31] <holstein> *then* i get it running as normal user
[04:31] <ben_> holstein, well, I run kino using gksudo kino and it runs for approx 700 MB and then stops...I read that I would need to run it as a non-root member
[04:31] <ben_> sudo kino results in don't have access to raw1394
[04:32] <ben_> holstein, any ideas why it stops when I run as root...I'm trying to get video off my camcorder btw
[04:32] <holstein> ben_: firewire chipset?
[04:32] <holstein> kino version?
[04:32] <holstein> who knows
[04:33] <holstein> most of us here are pretty much audio guys
[04:33] <ben_> holstein, ...how come I can run it as a non-root?
[04:33] <holstein> i would hit the mailing list if you cant get an answer here
[04:33] <holstein> ben_: you want to run it as non-root
[04:34] <ben_> holstein, ..what does ubuntu studio install any ways?  I'm using 11.10 and I did a search for ubuntu studio and it didn't show up although I had spent like 45 minutes waiting for ubuntu studio to be installed after running sudo apt-get install blah blah blah
[04:34] <holstein> theres a list
[04:35] <holstein> i thinks this is pretty current
[04:35] <holstein> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PackageList
[04:36] <ben_> dang that list is massive...I was waiting like 45 minutes on an excellent connection
[04:37] <holstein> right
[04:37] <holstein> its a lot of stuff
[04:37] <holstein> and you dont need it
[04:37] <holstein> most of it is audio
[04:38] <ben_> holstein, ...so I installed that for nothing
[04:38] <ben_> wow
[04:38] <holstein> well, you dont need ubuntustudio-audio ;)
[04:38] <holstein> thats a pretty obvious one... its not going to hurt anything
[04:38] <holstein> but, its not going to help you right now either
[04:39] <holstein> i would run lspci and look at the FW chipset, and google around
[04:39] <holstein> there are a few that are really awful in linux
[04:40] <ben_> holstein, ...I just can't figure it out...I run it as root and it captures the video but then stops after like 2 minutes
[04:40] <holstein> right, thats what i would expect from a funky chipset
[04:41] <ben_> holstein, alright...so any idea how I solve this problem?
[04:42] <holstein> ben_: sure... check and see what chipset you have
[04:42] <ben_> holstein, how do I do that?
[04:42] <holstein> let me know what it is... and also google about its linux compatibility
[04:43] <holstein> then, you can consider getting a card, or some other meathod of moving that video over
[04:43] <holstein> like, just dragging the files off
[04:43] <holstein> like its a hard drive.. does it not suppor that?
[04:43] <holstein> you can open the terminal, and run 'lspci'
[04:44] <holstein> that will tell you the chipset for the FW (as well as other info)
[04:45] <ben_> http://pastebin.com/T5BVTQp7
[04:46] <ben_> holstein, does that help?
[04:47] <holstein> FireWire (IEEE 1394): Agere Systems FW643 PCI Express1394b Controller (PHY/Link) (rev 07)
[04:47] <holstein> ^^ thats your firewire chipset
[04:47] <holstein> you can feel free to google around about it, but i have *never* had any luckk with an Agere
[04:48] <ben_> holstein, so what am I looking for exactly?
[04:48] <holstein> ben_: different hardware than what you have
[04:49] <holstein> preffereably texas instruments
[04:49] <holstein> OR, a way to move that file over with out just re-recording it
[04:50] <ben_> holstein, so your saying that I'd need to buy hardware..I see
[04:50] <holstein> ben_: im saying, i have never had luck with that particular chipset, and doing audio
[04:50] <holstein> i bought texas instruments chipsets
[04:50] <holstein> your mileage may vary
[04:53] <ben_> Well, what if I just use virtual box in windows and use some software to do that?
[04:55] <holstein> virtualbox shares firewire?
[04:55] <holstein> i dont think that passes through
[04:55] <holstein> how else can you grab that data?
[04:55] <ben_> holstein, nope it doesn't...I guess I will have to re-install OS X and dual boot Windows XP
[04:55] <holstein> you could grab that data in a dual boot, using windows
[04:55] <holstein> then, use ubuntu to edit
[04:56] <holstein> ben_: you should be able to grab with OSX
[04:56] <holstein> and edit with ubuntu
[04:56] <ben_> well, I've tried w/ OS X and it doesn't pop up that nothing connected
[04:56] <ben_> is there something I need to do in OS X?
[04:57] <holstein> install drivers?
[04:58] <ben_> only drivers are for samsung and only for windows
[04:59] <ben_> so I guess it's re-installing w/ a dual boot then
[04:59] <holstein> maybe they only support windows
[04:59] <holstein> is there no way to just get the files off?
[04:59] <holstein> like a hard drive?
[05:00] <holstein> when i plug in my camera, it just shows up as a drive, and i drag the files off
[05:00] <holstein> thats not going to happen for you?
[05:00] <ben_> nope...it's mini-DV ...tapes
[05:01] <holstein> you could search around about agere and that device
[05:01] <holstein> you can email the list
[05:01] <holstein> you can try the kino/blender/whatever-else IRC channels
[05:01] <holstein> ben_: im an audio guy
[05:01] <ben_> holstein, hey thanks for your help though
[05:01] <holstein> and theres seldom video folk in here
[05:02] <holstein> you should not take my word as the last and definitive
[05:02] <holstein> though, im sure those agere chipsets are awful...
[05:02] <ben_> holstein, ...no problem
[05:02] <ben_> later
[05:41] <ajwill> hi all, I was wondering, is it possible to install the gnome 3 package within ubuntu studio? or should I just install standard ubuntu and install the ubuntu studio package group?