| jutnux | Now off guys, have a good night. | 00:01 |
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| jutnux | s/night/morning ;) | 00:01 |
| AlanBell | night all o/ | 00:04 |
| jutnux | \o | 00:04 |
| ali12341 | monsterwizard: y u send me dll? | 00:10 |
| monsterwizard | oops | 00:10 |
| monsterwizard | sorry | 00:10 |
| monsterwizard | wrong person | 00:10 |
| monsterwizard | very sorry | 00:10 |
| paln | hey guys | 00:58 |
| paln | anybody home? | 00:58 |
| jutnux | Kinda | 00:59 |
| paln | jutnux: lol | 00:59 |
| paln | who else is here? anyone? | 00:59 |
| paln | I couldn't change my age on google account | 01:00 |
| paln | had to delete my YouTube to attempt it, but to no avail | 01:00 |
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| jutnux | Everyone awake is nocturnal :-) | 01:29 |
| monsterwizard | indeed | 01:57 |
| monsterwizard | I'm reading about von neumann | 01:57 |
| monsterwizard | the guy was insane | 01:57 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Jonathan Riddell] Ageing Gracefully - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4517 | 02:19 |
| shauno | morning | 06:27 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 07:25 |
| AlanBell | morning | 08:02 |
| shauno | I do love christmas. no-one calls unless they have a proper problem | 08:59 |
| kvarley | How big a swap should I create if I have 16GB RAM? | 09:03 |
| MartijnVdS | as much as you like? | 09:03 |
| kvarley | I always hear different things on the forums which is why I ask here | 09:03 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: 8GB? | 09:03 |
| MartijnVdS | well swap is used for suspend-to-disk | 09:03 |
| MartijnVdS | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq | 09:03 |
| kvarley | So in theory I don't actually need one at all | 09:03 |
| MartijnVdS | kvarley: ^ that has guidelines | 09:03 |
| kvarley | MartijnVdS: Thanks | 09:04 |
| shauno | swap's a strange beast. I rarely go more than 10-20 meg into swap. but last time I did, I went 40GB deep | 09:11 |
| shauno | and then osx left me a little "it's not me, it's you" note, and left the building :/ | 09:12 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 10:41 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 11:15 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 11:15 |
| MartijnVdS | I'm so glad I did my shopping earlier this week | 11:16 |
| brobostigon | :) | 11:16 |
| acperkins | I've done all my Christmas shopping on the 24th far too often | 11:25 |
| MartijnVdS | Why did I buy this concrete house | 11:33 |
| MartijnVdS | drilling holes-- | 11:33 |
| nigelb | heh | 11:35 |
| StevenR | MartijnVdS: why are you drilling holes? | 11:36 |
| MartijnVdS | StevenR: I'm making a network port and fixing the cable TV point of entry | 11:38 |
| MartijnVdS | StevenR: and fibre will be terminated in the same corner of my living room :) | 11:39 |
| StevenR | :) | 11:39 |
| MartijnVdS | StevenR: so it'll end up being fibre termination -> media converter (gbit ethernet) -> cupboard with patch panel -> router -> switch :) | 11:40 |
| MartijnVdS | or cable modem -> etc. if someone decides to get cable internet instead of fibre (WHY?!?!! though) | 11:41 |
| StevenR | cheaponess? | 11:41 |
| MartijnVdS | ? | 11:41 |
| MartijnVdS | what do you mean? | 11:42 |
| StevenR | cable is cheaper? | 11:42 |
| StevenR | like.. £176 quid cheaper over the course of a year | 11:43 |
| StevenR | MartijnVdS: by fibre, you mean BT-infinity style? | 11:46 |
| Nafallo | if it was infinity style he wouldn't need a media converter, so no. | 12:11 |
| MartijnVdS | StevenR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x -> FttH :) | 12:12 |
| MartijnVdS | StevenR: BT Infinity is VDSL2, I already have that :) | 12:13 |
| MartijnVdS | StevenR: (well, in the Netherlands, so not BT but it's still the same technology) | 12:13 |
| Nafallo | +luckily ;-) | 12:14 |
| MartijnVdS | Nafallo: luckily? :) Is BT that bad/evil/wrong? | 12:15 |
| Nafallo | to be fair, I haven't used them. but they feel a lot like Telia back in Sweden :-P | 12:16 |
| MartijnVdS | ah the big ex-government telco? | 12:16 |
| Nafallo | yeah. | 12:16 |
| MartijnVdS | technically, my ISP(+employer) is part of KPN, the Dutch ex-gov telco | 12:16 |
| Nafallo | also, they advertise three SSIDs on their ADSL-modems. | 12:16 |
| MartijnVdS | But everything IP(v6) is "ours" so it's sane :) | 12:17 |
| Nafallo | by default they re-sell part of your bandwidth to people that sign up for a hot-spot. | 12:17 |
| MartijnVdS | eww | 12:17 |
| Nafallo | yeah. quite. | 12:17 |
| Nafallo | but yeah. there are other familarities. | 12:19 |
| Nafallo | telia split out skanova to run the cables, bt split out openreach for the same purpose... | 12:20 |
| Nafallo | stuff like that. | 12:20 |
| popey | morning! | 12:23 |
| MartijnVdS | Cable as in TV cable? | 12:23 |
| MartijnVdS | Nafallo: KPN is not allowed (by the regulator, OPTA, think Ofcom) on the TV cable | 12:23 |
| Nafallo | fibres, coppers etc... infrastructure | 12:23 |
| MartijnVdS | ah yes | 12:23 |
| MartijnVdS | that's a bit more complex here :) | 12:24 |
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| MartijnVdS | KPN owns the copper (phone) wire, the cable companies own the TV cable, but a sort-of independent spinoff owns the fibre (50-60% KPN owned) | 12:24 |
| Nafallo | yeah. skanova/openreach would be that spinoff, but with all teh phone/fibre cables | 12:25 |
| Nafallo | not sure about tv, but I suspect it's the individual providers, based on what I've seen on the streets. | 12:26 |
| Nafallo | morning popey | 12:26 |
| Nafallo | wow | 12:29 |
| Nafallo | +2C in Sweden | 12:29 |
| Nafallo | that would have been doable after all... | 12:30 |
| MartijnVdS | but .. but .. you can't go faster than c | 12:30 |
| Nafallo | asm | 12:30 |
| MartijnVdS | 8-) | 12:30 |
| christel | Nafallo: are you home in sweden for christmas? :) | 12:35 |
| Nafallo | christel: the first part was right. not the second :-p | 12:35 |
| Nafallo | christel: I'm home, in London. | 12:36 |
| christel | aww | 12:36 |
| Nafallo | hmm | 12:37 |
| Nafallo | I just checked my firefox, and was reminded of why I didn't get to sleep last night. | 12:37 |
| christel | oh yes? | 12:37 |
| Nafallo | http://www.thegerbils.co.uk/contact ;-) | 12:38 |
| Nafallo | and before that I checked battersea cats and dogs rescue. | 12:39 |
| Nafallo | I need a pet or three. | 12:39 |
| christel | aww | 12:40 |
| christel | http://isnsfw.blogspot.com/2011/12/may-internet-bring-you-comfort.html | 12:40 |
| christel | you can borrow my dog | 12:40 |
| christel | she's mad | 12:40 |
| christel | or my son, or both | 12:41 |
| * christel nods | 12:41 | |
| Nafallo | what breed? :-) | 12:41 |
| Nafallo | hah. nice picture :-) | 12:42 |
| christel | she's a staffordshire bull terrier | 12:42 |
| Nafallo | if you're serious about lending her... | 12:43 |
| Nafallo | my parents have one, and that was the breed I was eye-balling yesterday ;-) | 12:44 |
| Nafallo | christel: http://www.battersea.org.uk/dogs/kiya_21057.html | 12:47 |
| Nafallo | they have a complete section just for staffies :-/ | 12:48 |
| Nafallo | not sure that that is about. | 12:48 |
| Nafallo | all the staffies I've met has been absolutely gorgeous. | 12:49 |
| * MartijnVdS makes another time-lapse -- of the sunset | 14:38 | |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| AlanBell | afternoon all | 15:17 |
| brobostigon | afternoonings AlanBell | 15:18 |
| StevenR | MartijnVdS: all we've got is rainy rain here :( | 15:36 |
| MartijnVdS | This is going to be a beautiful (long!) time-lapse | 15:58 |
| brobostigon | :) | 15:59 |
| MartijnVdS | too bad the resolution of my old ixus isn't quite 4k video :) | 16:00 |
| MartijnVdS | or I'd upload that to youtube | 16:00 |
| brobostigon | ohwell. | 16:02 |
| MartijnVdS | Once I get my solar filter, I'll do some with my EOS 350D | 16:02 |
| MartijnVdS | that should be enough | 16:02 |
| mgdm | I've done timelapses off a 400D. Yes, that's plenty :) | 16:03 |
| brobostigon | ok. | 16:03 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: \o/ gphoto :) | 16:03 |
| mgdm | I used a timelapse controller I got (a clone of the official canon one, for a tenth of the price) | 16:05 |
| mgdm | then a combination of ufraw and ffmpeg to make the video | 16:05 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: gphoto2 can take pictures on the EOS350d, I'm using ffmpeg to create the video | 16:05 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: but currently I'm using CHDK on an Icus | 16:05 |
| MartijnVdS | Ixus | 16:05 |
| mgdm | I have that on a PowerShot A47- | 16:06 |
| mgdm | 470, even | 16:06 |
| mgdm | Though the last timelapse I took was with a Logitech HD webcam hooked up to an NSLU2 running OpenWRT | 16:06 |
| MartijnVdS | hmm | 16:07 |
| MartijnVdS | that might work :) | 16:07 |
| MartijnVdS | now for a night of burning up my CPU ;) | 16:07 |
| mgdm | it does work, indeed :) | 16:07 |
| MartijnVdS | I wonder if my Picsio is controllable | 16:08 |
| MartijnVdS | probably not | 16:08 |
| MartijnVdS | hmm.. it's 1fps now | 16:15 |
| mgdm | I did once do a TL of 10-second exposures through the ND1000 | 16:18 |
| mgdm | but I can't find the videos | 16:18 |
| mgdm | might've been longer than 10, actually | 16:18 |
| MartijnVdS | woo it's halfway | 16:36 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 16:36 |
| MartijnVdS | 1/3 | 16:36 |
| MartijnVdS | only took half an hour 8-) | 16:36 |
| MartijnVdS | ffmpeg now eats ~390% CPU | 16:41 |
| Thrawn | Wooo merry xmas everyone | 16:59 |
| Thrawn | What a wonderful christmas morning this is | 16:59 |
| Thrawn | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | 17:00 |
| Thrawn | HOW ARE YOU YOOOOOOO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE | 17:00 |
| brobostigon | it is 5pm on the 24th, tmrw, is 7 hours away, untill the morning of the 25th. | 17:01 |
| MartijnVdS | he might be in a different time zone :) | 17:01 |
| Thrawn | Hurray | 17:01 |
| brobostigon | 16:59:44 -!- Thrawn [Thrawn@94-195-174-233.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-uk | 17:01 |
| Thrawn | No its 5pm here too but I just woke up | 17:01 |
| brobostigon | is in the uk. | 17:01 |
| Thrawn | Scotland, soon to be the republic of thank you very much | 17:01 |
| brobostigon | ok. | 17:02 |
| Thrawn | How do you get that ip address thing, you're obviously very good at ls; sudo apt get -bla bla nmap things stuff | 17:02 |
| Thrawn | ?? | 17:03 |
| brobostigon | Thrawn: /whois | 17:03 |
| gordonjcp | or indeed, looking at the join message | 17:03 |
| Thrawn | is taylorworld an isp? | 17:03 |
| brobostigon | Thrawn: that is my domain. | 17:03 |
| Thrawn | How come my ip address gets broadcasted but yours doesn't | 17:04 |
| brobostigon | Thrawn: you can easily work out my ip from my domain, | 17:04 |
| brobostigon | Thrawn: afterall, every domain resolves back to an ip. | 17:05 |
| Thrawn | nmap? | 17:05 |
| Thrawn | tracerout? | 17:06 |
| Thrawn | ping? | 17:06 |
| brobostigon | think logically, which is most basic. | 17:06 |
| Thrawn | ?? | 17:06 |
| brobostigon | Thrawn: but why would you want to know my ip anyway? | 17:07 |
| Thrawn | I've only been using ubuntu a while, I install things with debian | 17:07 |
| brobostigon | Thrawn: the tools in debian and ubuntu are exactly the same, | 17:07 |
| Thrawn | I don't anymore, I was just jealous that you could find mine but I couldn't find yorus | 17:07 |
| Thrawn | debian package installer I should say | 17:07 |
| Thrawn | I keep failing with sudo make | 17:08 |
| brobostigon | Thrawn: ubuntu has apt and aptitude and dpkg, just like debian. | 17:08 |
| Thrawn | :( I think I'm scared I think I'll just pay bill gates lots of money and buy Windows 7 | 17:09 |
| Thrawn | Actually I won't I'll just download this hacked copy off thepiratebay.org through transmission | 17:10 |
| Thrawn | Can I VMware it? | 17:10 |
| brobostigon | Thrawn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup that is what i have setup on my dns, for it to resolve the way it is. | 17:11 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdC4aUuHEk | 17:54 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdC4aUuHEk | 17:54 |
| MartijnVdS | </spam> | 17:55 |
| dwatkins | 0 AD is a silly name for a game, but it looks like it might be quite good. | 17:56 |
| MartijnVdS | 0 AD never existed | 17:56 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: precisely :) | 17:57 |
| dwatkins | Wildfire appear to be making a game for linux with this name. | 17:57 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: impressive. :) | 17:57 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: I only turned it off because it was flashing lights at me.. but it was still working | 17:57 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: I think it was trying to tell me it was <50% battery or <50% disk | 17:58 |
| dwatkins | What did you use to make the timelapse, MartijnVdS? | 17:58 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: CHDK on my Ixus | 17:58 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: + a Lua script | 17:58 |
| dwatkins | groovy | 17:58 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: I'm planning on doing one with my EOS (+ gphoto2) soonish | 18:00 |
| dwatkins | I plan on setting up an IR webcam | 18:00 |
| MartijnVdS | with motion trigger? | 18:00 |
| dwatkins | not sure yet, hopefully | 18:01 |
| palnj | hey guys | 18:01 |
| dwatkins | It would be a nice project for a Raspberry Pi ;) | 18:01 |
| Azelphur | This laptop is tempting me... http://www.nerdilicio.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/gscreen-spacebook-17-dual-screen-laptop-web-red-blk-1050-010.jpg | 18:01 |
| dwatkins | hi palnj | 18:01 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: oooh! good one | 18:01 |
| palnj | dwatkins: thx | 18:01 |
| palnj | whats being said round here? | 18:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: No. It's not. | 18:01 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: it's UG-LEH | 18:01 |
| Azelphur | YOUR UG-LEH. | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | palnj: I made a time-lapse video | 18:02 |
| palnj | an IR webcam? didnt know they had such things | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: my ug-leh what? :P | 18:02 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: it's awesome, dual screen laptop is certainly interesting :P | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: if it were seamless, sure | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: but with the large black bar.. no | 18:02 |
| dwatkins | palnj: yeah, you used to have to take the IR filter out and make your own IR lighting array, now you can buy them ready-built with pan/tilt | 18:02 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: the black bar is quite small | 18:02 |
| palnj | Azelphur: it does look kind of awful | 18:02 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: it's not width 0 | 18:02 |
| Azelphur | no bigger than on any standard dual screen config? | 18:02 |
| palnj | dwatkins: ah. cool! | 18:03 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: Hence my hate of dual screens :) | 18:03 |
| MartijnVdS | well | 18:03 |
| MartijnVdS | strong dislike | 18:03 |
| Azelphur | haha | 18:03 |
| * dwatkins orders a bitbeam stand because they look cool | 18:03 | |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y286GD_OVM&t=1m15s :P | 18:03 |
| palnj | i thought you would have taken the IR camera out of a Wiimote and stuck it in a case to plug in via USB :P | 18:04 |
| dwatkins | I imagine the ones in a Wiimote are standard webcams with a different filter | 18:04 |
| directhex | nothing so complex | 18:05 |
| ali1234 | all CCDs are sensitive to IR | 18:06 |
| palnj | Azelphur: the SpaceBook has a good use, it just needs to be aesphetically pleasing aswell :D | 18:06 |
| ali1234 | in fact they are more sensitive to IR than everything else | 18:06 |
| Azelphur | *shrug* | 18:07 |
| Azelphur | palnj: I've just been wandering around trying to find someone actually doing something interesting with laptops | 18:07 |
| Azelphur | they all seem to look 'boring', and have no special/interesting features now days. | 18:07 |
| palnj | Azlephur, true, but everyone is always accustomed the the orthodox norm nowadays | 18:07 |
| palnj | one of the major reasons people are afraid to try things like Linux ;) | 18:08 |
| palnj | but i appreciate his nerve to try and produce this | 18:08 |
| Azelphur | I'm still using my old XPS M1730, it seems like it's almost the last laptop to actually try something cool/vaguely new | 18:09 |
| penguin42 | Azelphur: There is a Thinkpad varient that has dual screen | 18:09 |
| Azelphur | fun | 18:10 |
| Azelphur | doesn't seem as impressive as the gscreen though, the hardware is much lower and the price much higher | 18:10 |
| * dwatkins donates to Wikipedia, finally pushed over the edge by their protests about SOPA | 18:10 | |
| ali1234 | gimmicks cost money | 18:11 |
| Azelphur | idd | 18:11 |
| Azelphur | http://www.hothardware.com/newsimages/item6966/big_rig_lit1.jpg I paid £500 for this, it's my current laptop | 18:11 |
| Azelphur | it has plenty of awesome gimmicky things. | 18:11 |
| shauno | does it come with a dolly to move it around? | 18:11 |
| penguin42 | youch, are those break lights? | 18:12 |
| ali1234 | glossy screen :( | 18:12 |
| ali1234 | nice reflections | 18:12 |
| Azelphur | penguin42: haha, they are RGB so you can change them (or turn them off), I set mine to blue. | 18:12 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: mines matte | 18:12 |
| shauno | are there they media buttons right where your wrist hits the frame? | 18:13 |
| dwatkins | ali1234: gimmicks? | 18:14 |
| shauno | altho I guess that's less of a problem when the touchpad is so small you'd never consider using it | 18:14 |
| Azelphur | shauno: your judging it based on it being a small laptop, it's not | 18:15 |
| Azelphur | your hands never go near those media controls, your arms rest over the speakers | 18:15 |
| Azelphur | and the touchpad is very nice, and very big. | 18:15 |
| shauno | that's a big touchpad? what is it, a 27" screen? | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | shauno: the touchpad isn't small, the laptop is huge | 18:16 |
| Azelphur | ^ that | 18:16 |
| shauno | from that angle, it looks like it's about the same size as 3x2 keys on the keyboard | 18:17 |
| Azelphur | shauno: there ya go, http://media.photobucket.com/image/M1730/professionalmods/M1730%20-4/SNC00208.jpg a good idea of the size of it | 18:17 |
| Azelphur | compared to some CD's :P | 18:17 |
| Azelphur | you can bash it for being too big or too heavy, that's fine :p | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | at 5kg it probably weighs more than my computer | 18:18 |
| Azelphur | haha :D | 18:18 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: that's probably minus the power supply which is alarmingly close size wise to my netbook. | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | you should build your own laptop | 18:19 |
| Azelphur | I keep getting tempted | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | get a desktop case, flatscreen monitor, and a door hinge | 18:19 |
| * penguin42 hands ali1234 a UPS and a small case - probably smaller than that one | 18:19 | |
| Azelphur | ali1234: hahaha | 18:20 |
| Azelphur | ali1234: I was tempted to do that with a mini itx setup | 18:20 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Tony] The most wonderful time of the year - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/12/24/the-most-wonderful-time-of-the-year/ | 18:21 |
| zleap | hello | 19:06 |
| Thrawn | Merry xmas | 19:08 |
| zleap | merry christmas | 19:11 |
| stnick | ho, ho ho! | 19:26 |
| stnick | santa here | 19:26 |
| stnick | have we all been good boys and girls this year? | 19:26 |
| Thrawn | Santa, I need a miracle | 19:26 |
| Thrawn | Can my girlfriend have an ipad keyoard? | 19:27 |
| Thrawn | She doesn't like the ar drone parrot I got her | 19:27 |
| stnick | Thrawn, I am the FLOSS santa, so no | 19:29 |
| stnick | anyway, trying to get round all the channels by midnight, so have a good gnumas and a flossy new year! | 19:30 |
| palnj | hey | 19:52 |
| zleap | hi | 19:53 |
| zleap | merry christmas | 19:53 |
| palnj | zleap: thx ;) | 19:53 |
| palnj | anyone else talking here? | 19:54 |
| penguin42 | not too busy here | 19:54 |
| zleap | i am | 19:54 |
| zleap | waiting for my dvd authoring software to finish | 19:54 |
| palnj | lol cool | 19:55 |
| palnj | i guess :/ | 19:55 |
| zleap | well i gave up with what i was doing yesterday so just gone for the star trek episodes in 1 file, I am going to do the others again after downloading complete episodes rather than the two episodes that have been split up | 19:55 |
| zleap | so what you up to | 19:58 |
| Thrawn | I downloaded the 46gig babylon 5 complete series+films took a week and a bit | 19:59 |
| zleap | does anyone here play open arena ? | 19:59 |
| Thrawn | What's that? | 19:59 |
| zleap | nice | 19:59 |
| palnj | nm, just signing the Ubuntu CoC atm, then pulling an all-nighter so i can open my xmas presents extra-early :P | 19:59 |
| zleap | game using the quake 3 engine | 19:59 |
| zleap | palnj, good plan :) | 20:00 |
| zleap | so you run around shooting people | 20:00 |
| zleap | and collect stuff like more guns, etc | 20:00 |
| * zleap hands palnj a stack of coke cans for caffine | 20:00 | |
| palnj | weather-man: "I'm afraid I won't be saying the 'S' word for tomorrow's forecast..." | 20:00 |
| palnj | is that santa by any chance? | 20:00 |
| zleap | snow i would guess | 20:01 |
| * palnj informs zleap that caffeine does him no good | 20:01 | |
| zleap | ok | 20:01 |
| palnj | zleap: duh its snow, but i bet tons of kids that saw that are thinking that santa isnt coming now :P | 20:01 |
| zleap | lol | 20:01 |
| palnj | Google has this track Santa thing | 20:02 |
| palnj | i've never been on it 'til this year | 20:02 |
| palnj | it's kinda rubbish | 20:02 |
| zleap | maybe younger kids may like it | 20:05 |
| zleap | hi exobuzz | 20:05 |
| exobuzz | hi | 20:09 |
| zleap | how are you | 20:11 |
| RaycisCharles | palnj: it's a NORAD recruiting tool designed to brainwash 5-year-olds. | 20:17 |
| RaycisCharles | Beware... | 20:17 |
| palnj | RaycisCharles: lol what do NORAD do anyways? :S | 20:18 |
| zleap | yay http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/interviews/a354678/dizzy-prince-of-the-yolkfolk-interview-how-the-comeback-happened.html | 20:18 |
| zleap | north american airdefence | 20:19 |
| zleap | er i think they co-ordianate defences in case of WWIII, hence theyare in side that bunker (if you watch wargames the are anyway) | 20:19 |
| RaycisCharles | palnj: air missile defence, I think. | 20:20 |
| penguin42 | zleap: Apparently the real bunker is much smaller | 20:20 |
| RaycisCharles | zleap: it's a cover for Stargate Command. | 20:20 |
| palnj | RaycisCharles: maybe the track santa thing is real then, so they know where he is and dont accidentally release a misslie that kills the big red guy | 20:20 |
| palnj | that would be a shame | 20:20 |
| RaycisCharles | I think it's NORAD's job to prevent Iran downing Santa with a scud. | 20:21 |
| palnj | RaycisCharles: lol possibly | 20:21 |
| RaycisCharles | There are like 8 Christians left in Iran - they need presents too. | 20:21 |
| zleap | i was watching a program on tv the other day about christians in the middle east | 20:22 |
| zleap | well it was a lords debate on it, quite interesting | 20:22 |
| Masconomet | hat does the Queen do after Christmas lunch? | 20:31 |
| Masconomet | What* | 20:31 |
| palnj | Masconomet: make love to Prince Philip in hospital | 20:31 |
| zleap | well she used to do the queens speech but as this is no longer live, dunno | 20:31 |
| palnj | or is he out of there now? | 20:31 |
| zleap | not yet, still in so they keep an eye on him i guess | 20:32 |
| palnj | zleap: aw, i hate it when everything's about the royal family | 20:32 |
| palnj | BBC news doesn't do reports on other 90 year olds needing heart operations | 20:33 |
| zleap | unless they are famous | 20:33 |
| palnj | that's why fame irritates me | 20:33 |
| palnj | i wouldn't mind being famous or not | 20:33 |
| zleap | i find the news keeps being dominated by 1 or 2 stories | 20:33 |
| palnj | i mean...i'd like to be famous | 20:33 |
| palnj | but i wouldnt mind | 20:33 |
| palnj | zleap: oh so true | 20:34 |
| zleap | if you want proper news go for russia today or al jazera (or what ever its called) | 20:34 |
| palnj | Indian news channels are worse | 20:34 |
| Masconomet | they go to church in the morning, definitely | 20:34 |
| Masconomet | St Mary Magdalene, in Sandringham | 20:34 |
| palnj | they repeat the /exact/ same things | 20:34 |
| Masconomet | But they've furnished us with remarkable details, I have to say, the Royal Family. | 20:34 |
| zleap | royal tradition | 20:34 |
| palnj | as in recorder and played back every so often | 20:34 |
| Masconomet | Anyways, to cut it short the answer is: She goes into the saloon and watches herself on television | 20:34 |
| palnj | *recorded | 20:34 |
| palnj | Masconomet: i like that assumption | 20:35 |
| palnj | Al Jazeera | 20:35 |
| penguin42 | maybe a bit of knitting with a corgi on her lap | 20:35 |
| zleap | yeah | 20:35 |
| zleap | or watch tv | 20:35 |
| palnj | penguin42: loooooooooooooooooooooools | 20:35 |
| Masconomet | On Christmas Eve, right, they gather in the white drawing room at Sandringham, around a twenty foot Christmas tree cut from the Sandringham estate. It's decorated by the Queen herself. at 5 pm, the whole family has a cup of Earl Grey, except the Queen, who has her own Indian blend. | 20:35 |
| palnj | zleap: apparently the Queen watches the One Show | 20:35 |
| Masconomet | And then they have sandwiches, cakes, and scones. | 20:36 |
| zleap | ah | 20:36 |
| Masconomet | At 6 pm, they open presents | 20:36 |
| zleap | in the evening | 20:36 |
| palnj | Masconomet: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooools again | 20:36 |
| Masconomet | This is Christmas Eve, remember. Why do they open presents on Christmas Eve? | 20:36 |
| Masconomet | Becuase they are all fucking Germans! | 20:36 |
| Masconomet | So there you are | 20:36 |
| zleap | cos they have to be out early on xmas day to go to church suppose | 20:36 |
| palnj | I bet the Queen wants a new corgi for Christmas | 20:37 |
| Masconomet | The queen gives the signal. they give each other practical presents, it turns out. | 20:37 |
| Masconomet | Oh dear | 20:37 |
| Masconomet | the Queen is said to have been "delighted with a casserole dish and a gift-wrapped washing-up apron | 20:37 |
| Masconomet | you think it's one of those ones with tits on the front? | 20:37 |
| palnj | (leading quote missing) | 20:38 |
| zleap | i suppose she would give the apron to the kitchen people that do it | 20:38 |
| palnj | Masconomet: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooools again | 20:38 |
| * palnj will actually die of laughter if Masconomet pulls another funny | 20:38 | |
| Masconomet | Anyway, Prince Philip then serves port or brandy to the male members of the Royal Family | 20:38 |
| Masconomet | Its tradition. | 20:38 |
| Masconomet | Tribal stuff | 20:38 |
| penguin42 | Then she browses around the web for the latest stuffin the sales | 20:39 |
| palnj | Masconomet: yes we all know that part | 20:39 |
| zleap | well as he is in hospital that could be difficult | 20:39 |
| palnj | that's boring, even for a 90 year-old Duke | 20:39 |
| Masconomet | If I told you this about some Aboriginal tribe, you'd say "ohh, thats interesting" | 20:39 |
| * palnj just died of laughter | 20:39 | |
| Masconomet | So its just a tribal behaviour. thats all; its interesting. I think | 20:39 |
| zleap | yeah he asked one tribe if they still chuck spears at each other aparently | 20:39 |
| * palnj re-generated | 20:39 | |
| palnj | OH! Is anyone watching the Dr Who xmas special? | 20:40 |
| zleap | may do | 20:40 |
| palnj | zleap: good, it looks bloody awesome | 20:40 |
| Masconomet | They get stockings on Christmas morning.. | 20:40 |
| palnj | im a fan, as you may be able to tell | 20:40 |
| Masconomet | The family pulls crackers but hte queen refuses to wear her paper party hat. | 20:40 |
| palnj | Masconomet: enough about the Royal family's goings-on | 20:40 |
| palnj | I wonder if the Queen has ever used Linux | 20:41 |
| zleap | palnj, send her a copy :) | 20:41 |
| palnj | i would if i had her address | 20:41 |
| zleap | buckingham palace, london | 20:41 |
| palnj | or rather, permission to send her anything | 20:42 |
| * palnj realised his fatal mistake | 20:42 | |
| palnj | they might think it's a virus, knowing their security | 20:42 |
| zleap | I can't tell from the website what its running http://www.royal.gov.uk/ | 20:43 |
| penguin42 | it did run RHEL for a while | 20:43 |
| zleap | tried to type in a random letters after the domain as errors can usually tell you what the server is running | 20:43 |
| palnj | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=royal.gov.uk | 20:44 |
| zleap | hmm | 20:44 |
| Nafallo | Server: Microsoft-IIS/7.5 | 20:45 |
| zleap | oh well | 20:45 |
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| penguin42 | oh, that's where our tax goes | 20:46 |
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| zleap | penguin42, yeah nice to see its being spent wisely when there is a free alternative eh | 20:47 |
| Nafallo | X-Powered-By: ASP.NET | 20:48 |
| Nafallo | might be one reason | 20:48 |
| Nafallo | I'm not sure we run ASP that well... | 20:48 |
| zleap | well you can get asp modules for apache i think | 20:49 |
| Nafallo | yeah. I'm just not at all sure they will run as well as on IIS though. | 20:49 |
| zleap | well theya re both created by microsoft, so you would think so | 20:50 |
| zleap | then again you never know | 20:50 |
| zleap | brb need to burn another dvd | 20:56 |
| palnj | hey again | 21:06 |
| zleap | hi | 21:07 |
| zleap | hold on dvd writer fails to auto eject | 21:07 |
| * zleap has one monitor and 2 computers, so keeps having to switch cabels | 21:08 | |
| zleap | cables | 21:08 |
| penguin42 | zleap: Get a monitor switch, another monitor or a monitor with two inputs! | 21:08 |
| zleap | I got one, i haven't got round to setting it all up yet | 21:09 |
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| zleap | 2 hours 45 to go (well about that) | 21:13 |
| popey | evening all | 21:14 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 21:14 |
| zleap | evening popey | 21:15 |
| zleap | if i click on my home directory it opens up the file manager showing my home folder whichis fine, i i want to open another instance of this (to navigate elsewhere) I can't | 21:18 |
| zleap | so i can't easily open up two locations from the same button | 21:18 |
| zleap | i think it needs an open new window option | 21:20 |
| DJones | zleap: Middle click | 21:21 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ middle click | 21:21 |
| zleap | ah thanks | 21:21 |
| zleap | i guess i need a unity cheat sheet with all the short cuts on (yeah there is on in 12.04) | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | yeah, totally undetectable to orca :( | 21:24 |
| zleap | orca | 21:24 |
| AlanBell | screen reader | 21:25 |
| zleap | ok | 21:25 |
| zleap | oh you mean the unity one | 21:25 |
| zleap | i found a site with short cuts on etc | 21:25 |
| zleap | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html | 21:25 |
| AlanBell | yeah, the new overlay on long hold of super key | 21:26 |
| AlanBell | broken by design | 21:26 |
| zleap | so far holding down super produces the side bar thing (btw what is the correct name for this) | 21:27 |
| gordonjcp | I find the use of Super key just plain annoying anyway | 21:27 |
| gordonjcp | what, am I meant to get rid of my IBM Model M just because some cretinous "user experience designer" with a mickey mouse degree reckons I should be using the windows key? | 21:28 |
| gordonjcp | sod that | 21:28 |
| penguin42 | gordonjcp: Well as I type this on my Model M I agree - although you can get some model M remakes these days with the extra key - it has to be said that an extra key is never a bad thing | 21:29 |
| zleap | i take it the model M does not have a windows key | 21:29 |
| penguin42 | zleap: It predates them by about 10 years | 21:29 |
| zleap | ah | 21:29 |
| zleap | i liked the orignal solid ibm keyboard | 21:29 |
| penguin42 | zleap: They're lovely keyboards though | 21:29 |
| penguin42 | zleap: Yep, that's what the ModelM is | 21:29 |
| zleap | ah | 21:29 |
| zleap | built to last | 21:29 |
| penguin42 | nod, although I do have some faults coming onto some of mine | 21:30 |
| zleap | even if dropped, if dropped on foot, foot = broken i guess | 21:30 |
| penguin42 | yes, although the keys may fly off :-) | 21:30 |
| zleap | ah | 21:30 |
| zleap | ok, when i hold down super what are the numbers displayed on the apps icons ( i am guessing someting like number of documents in recent history) | 21:31 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: press one of the numbers while holding Super | 21:31 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: it's like alt tab but faster | 21:31 |
| popey | zleap: super + shift + 1 | 21:31 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: also, you don't have to wait for the numbers | 21:32 |
| popey | will open a new nautilus window | 21:32 |
| zleap | nice | 21:32 |
| popey | super + shift + (number) opens a new window of whichever app is the numbered one on the launcher from 1-9 | 21:32 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: shift for new, no shift for "switch to current" | 21:32 |
| popey | yes | 21:32 |
| zleap | neat | 21:32 |
| zleap | that would be a good thing to print on the cd wallets | 21:32 |
| zleap | or to i nclude with self made cd's | 21:33 |
| * popey notes neither microsoft nor apple do that | 21:33 | |
| popey | apple does have a rather nice video tutorial in the settings app to show you how to use the touchpad | 21:34 |
| zleap | yay | 21:34 |
| zleap | lets hope they don't steal the idea, | 21:34 |
| zleap | and if the try and patent it, god help em | 21:34 |
| popey | you're missing my point | 21:34 |
| zleap | ok | 21:35 |
| popey | that nobody else feels the need to print a keyboard shortcut list with the cd, why should we? | 21:35 |
| zleap | ok | 21:35 |
| zleap | i thought u meant that neither or apple have that super + number feature | 21:35 |
| zleap | neither MS or apple | 21:35 |
| penguin42 | popey: Would be an interesting way to publicise some of the shortcuts | 21:36 |
| popey | windows 7 has exactly that feature | 21:36 |
| zleap | ah | 21:36 |
| zleap | so who thought if it first | 21:36 |
| * Nafallo thought we had help.ubuntu.com for that kind of stuff. | 21:36 | |
| popey | dunno who thought of it first, don't think it matters really. | 21:36 |
| shauno | I think if you need cheat sheets, you're doing it wrong. That works for games which use keys for non-obvious methods. The desktop shouldn't be non-obvious | 21:37 |
| zleap | ok | 21:37 |
| zleap | well i didn't know about that feature till i was just told, so unless people know about it, how they goint to find out | 21:37 |
| Nafallo | shauno: games and zworak ;-) | 21:37 |
| Nafallo | sworak maybe. | 21:38 |
| popey | same for everyone zleap | 21:38 |
| zleap | ok | 21:38 |
| popey | there's things I dont know about unity | 21:38 |
| popey | if i want to, I'll go and find out or ask a nerd | 21:38 |
| Nafallo | svorak even | 21:38 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: What? But you work for canonical! | 21:38 |
| shauno | dvorak? | 21:38 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: you're in on the conspiracy! | 21:38 |
| Nafallo | zleap: ehrm. read the manual? :-) | 21:38 |
| zleap | ok | 21:38 |
| Nafallo | svorak is the Swedish dvorak, so yeah. | 21:39 |
| Nafallo | that | 21:39 |
| shauno | ah! this I didn't know | 21:40 |
| MartijnVdS | What's wrong with plain old qwerty | 21:42 |
| Nafallo | MartijnVdS: did anyone say there was? :-) | 21:43 |
| MartijnVdS | ah, svorak == qwerty | 21:43 |
| Nafallo | I spent like... 3mins on (s/d)vorak before I went back to qwerty | 21:43 |
| Nafallo | svorak != qwerty | 21:43 |
| shauno | I like dvorak, but I jump between machines far too often to make it practical | 21:44 |
| shauno | I have enough problems trying to use a GB keymap on a US keyboard :/ | 21:44 |
| palnj | Lapland on BBC1 is pretty funny | 22:13 |
| * daubers smells of white spirits and IPA | 22:13 | |
| AlanBell | classy | 22:15 |
| * AlanBell eyes up the glass of wiskey left by the fireplace | 22:16 | |
| brobostigon | hehe :) | 22:17 |
| jutnux | Christmas \o/ | 22:18 |
| * daubers has to drive lots tomorrow | 22:19 | |
| daubers | no whiskey for me :( | 22:19 |
| daubers | Maybe tomorrow evening when I get home | 22:19 |
| palnj | jutnux: too right \o/ xmas rules | 22:39 |
| czajkowski | Nollaig Shona Dhuit / Merry Christmas | 22:53 |
| AlanBell | o/ czajkowski | 22:54 |
| czajkowski | AlanBell: oi oi | 22:54 |
| * AlanBell just got that pronounced | 22:55 | |
| czajkowski | ahhh | 22:56 |
| czajkowski | :) | 22:56 |
| czajkowski | I'll get ye all saying stuff at some point | 22:57 |
| AlanBell | slainte is good | 22:58 |
| AlanBell | I would do the accent if I wasn't on a phone | 22:58 |
| czajkowski | :) | 22:58 |
| jutnux | I've nearly watched the whole first series of Stargate on Christmas Eve :| | 23:06 |
| RaycisCharles | Close call. | 23:11 |
| AlanBell | happy winterval \o/ | 23:59 |
| imexil | any good suggestion to cut a ogv video file? | 23:59 |
| imexil | (it's xmas related ; )) | 23:59 |
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