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jutnuxNow off guys, have a good night.00:01
jutnuxs/night/morning ;)00:01
AlanBellnight all o/00:04
jutnux\o00:04
ali12341monsterwizard: y u send me dll?00:10
monsterwizardoops00:10
monsterwizardsorry00:10
monsterwizardwrong person00:10
monsterwizardvery sorry00:10
palnhey guys00:58
palnanybody home?00:58
jutnuxKinda00:59
palnjutnux: lol00:59
palnwho else is here? anyone?00:59
palnI couldn't change my age on google account01:00
palnhad to delete my YouTube to attempt it, but to no avail01:00
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jutnuxEveryone awake is nocturnal :-)01:29
monsterwizardindeed01:57
monsterwizardI'm reading about von neumann01:57
monsterwizardthe guy was insane01:57
ubuntuuk-planet[Jonathan Riddell] Ageing Gracefully - http://blogs.kde.org/node/451702:19
shaunomorning06:27
MartijnVdS\o07:25
AlanBellmorning08:02
shaunoI do love christmas.  no-one calls unless they have a proper problem08:59
kvarleyHow big a swap should I create if I have 16GB RAM?09:03
MartijnVdSas much as you like?09:03
kvarleyI always hear different things on the forums which is why I ask here09:03
kvarleyMartijnVdS: 8GB?09:03
MartijnVdSwell swap is used for suspend-to-disk09:03
MartijnVdShttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq09:03
kvarleySo in theory I don't actually need one at all09:03
MartijnVdSkvarley: ^ that has guidelines09:03
kvarleyMartijnVdS: Thanks09:04
shaunoswap's a strange beast.  I rarely go more than 10-20 meg into swap.  but last time I did, I went 40GB deep09:11
shaunoand then osx left me a little "it's not me, it's you" note, and left the building :/09:12
brobostigongood morning everyone.10:41
MartijnVdS\o11:15
brobostigono/11:15
MartijnVdSI'm so glad I did my shopping earlier this week11:16
brobostigon:)11:16
acperkinsI've done all my Christmas shopping on the 24th far too often11:25
MartijnVdSWhy did I buy this concrete house11:33
MartijnVdSdrilling holes--11:33
nigelbheh11:35
StevenRMartijnVdS: why are you drilling holes?11:36
MartijnVdSStevenR: I'm making a network port and fixing the cable TV point of entry11:38
MartijnVdSStevenR: and fibre will be terminated in the same corner of my living room :)11:39
StevenR:)11:39
MartijnVdSStevenR: so it'll end up being fibre termination -> media converter (gbit ethernet) -> cupboard with patch panel -> router -> switch :)11:40
MartijnVdSor cable modem -> etc. if someone decides to get cable internet instead of fibre (WHY?!?!! though)11:41
StevenRcheaponess?11:41
MartijnVdS?11:41
MartijnVdSwhat do you mean?11:42
StevenRcable is cheaper?11:42
StevenRlike.. £176 quid cheaper over the course of a year11:43
StevenRMartijnVdS: by fibre, you mean BT-infinity style?11:46
Nafalloif it was infinity style he wouldn't need a media converter, so no.12:11
MartijnVdSStevenR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x -> FttH :)12:12
MartijnVdSStevenR: BT Infinity is VDSL2, I already have that :)12:13
MartijnVdSStevenR: (well, in the Netherlands, so not BT but it's still the same technology)12:13
Nafallo+luckily ;-)12:14
MartijnVdSNafallo: luckily? :) Is BT that bad/evil/wrong?12:15
Nafalloto be fair, I haven't used them. but they feel a lot like Telia back in Sweden :-P12:16
MartijnVdSah the big ex-government telco?12:16
Nafalloyeah.12:16
MartijnVdStechnically, my ISP(+employer) is part of KPN, the Dutch ex-gov telco12:16
Nafalloalso, they advertise three SSIDs on their ADSL-modems.12:16
MartijnVdSBut everything IP(v6) is "ours" so it's sane :)12:17
Nafalloby default they re-sell part of your bandwidth to people that sign up for a hot-spot.12:17
MartijnVdSeww12:17
Nafalloyeah. quite.12:17
Nafallobut yeah. there are other familarities.12:19
Nafallotelia split out skanova to run the cables, bt split out openreach for the same purpose...12:20
Nafallostuff like that.12:20
popeymorning!12:23
MartijnVdSCable as in TV cable?12:23
MartijnVdSNafallo: KPN is not allowed (by the regulator, OPTA, think Ofcom) on the TV cable12:23
Nafallofibres, coppers etc... infrastructure12:23
MartijnVdSah yes12:23
MartijnVdSthat's a bit more complex here :)12:24
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MartijnVdSKPN owns the copper (phone) wire, the cable companies own the TV cable, but a sort-of independent spinoff owns the fibre (50-60% KPN owned)12:24
Nafalloyeah. skanova/openreach would be that spinoff, but with all teh phone/fibre cables12:25
Nafallonot sure about tv, but I suspect it's the individual providers, based on what I've seen on the streets.12:26
Nafallomorning popey12:26
Nafallowow12:29
Nafallo+2C in Sweden12:29
Nafallothat would have been doable after all...12:30
MartijnVdSbut .. but .. you can't go faster than c12:30
Nafalloasm12:30
MartijnVdS8-)12:30
christelNafallo: are you home in sweden for christmas? :)12:35
Nafallochristel: the first part was right. not the second :-p12:35
Nafallochristel: I'm home, in London.12:36
christelaww12:36
Nafallohmm12:37
NafalloI just checked my firefox, and was reminded of why I didn't get to sleep last night.12:37
christeloh yes?12:37
Nafallohttp://www.thegerbils.co.uk/contact ;-)12:38
Nafalloand before that I checked battersea cats and dogs rescue.12:39
NafalloI need a pet or three.12:39
christelaww12:40
christelhttp://isnsfw.blogspot.com/2011/12/may-internet-bring-you-comfort.html12:40
christelyou can borrow my dog12:40
christelshe's mad12:40
christelor my son, or both12:41
* christel nods12:41
Nafallowhat breed? :-)12:41
Nafallohah. nice picture :-)12:42
christelshe's a staffordshire bull terrier12:42
Nafalloif you're serious about lending her...12:43
Nafallomy parents have one, and that was the breed I was eye-balling yesterday ;-)12:44
Nafallochristel: http://www.battersea.org.uk/dogs/kiya_21057.html12:47
Nafallothey have a complete section just for staffies :-/12:48
Nafallonot sure that that is about.12:48
Nafalloall the staffies I've met has been absolutely gorgeous.12:49
* MartijnVdS makes another time-lapse -- of the sunset14:38
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AlanBellafternoon all15:17
brobostigonafternoonings AlanBell15:18
StevenRMartijnVdS: all we've got is rainy rain here :(15:36
MartijnVdSThis is going to be a beautiful (long!) time-lapse15:58
brobostigon:)15:59
MartijnVdStoo bad the resolution of my old ixus isn't quite 4k video :)16:00
MartijnVdSor I'd upload that to youtube16:00
brobostigonohwell.16:02
MartijnVdSOnce I get my solar filter, I'll do some with my EOS 350D16:02
MartijnVdSthat should be enough16:02
mgdmI've done timelapses off a 400D. Yes, that's plenty :)16:03
brobostigonok.16:03
MartijnVdSmgdm: \o/ gphoto :)16:03
mgdmI used a timelapse controller I got (a clone of the official canon one, for a tenth of the price)16:05
mgdmthen a combination of ufraw and ffmpeg to make the video16:05
MartijnVdSmgdm: gphoto2 can take pictures on the EOS350d, I'm using ffmpeg to create the video16:05
MartijnVdSmgdm: but currently I'm using CHDK on an Icus16:05
MartijnVdSIxus16:05
mgdmI have that on a PowerShot A47-16:06
mgdm470, even16:06
mgdmThough the last timelapse I took was with a Logitech HD webcam hooked up to an NSLU2 running OpenWRT16:06
MartijnVdShmm16:07
MartijnVdSthat might work :)16:07
MartijnVdSnow for a night of burning up my CPU ;)16:07
mgdmit does work, indeed :)16:07
MartijnVdSI wonder if my Picsio is controllable16:08
MartijnVdSprobably not16:08
MartijnVdShmm.. it's 1fps now16:15
mgdmI did once do a TL of 10-second exposures through the ND100016:18
mgdmbut I can't find the videos16:18
mgdmmight've been longer than 10, actually16:18
MartijnVdSwoo it's halfway16:36
MartijnVdSno16:36
MartijnVdS1/316:36
MartijnVdSonly took half an hour 8-)16:36
MartijnVdSffmpeg now eats ~390% CPU16:41
ThrawnWooo merry xmas everyone16:59
ThrawnWhat a wonderful christmas morning this is16:59
ThrawnWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE17:00
ThrawnHOW ARE YOU YOOOOOOO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE17:00
brobostigonit is 5pm on the 24th, tmrw, is 7 hours away, untill the morning of the 25th.17:01
MartijnVdShe might be in a different time zone :)17:01
ThrawnHurray17:01
brobostigon16:59:44 -!- Thrawn [Thrawn@94-195-174-233.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-uk17:01
ThrawnNo its 5pm here too but I just woke up17:01
brobostigonis in the uk.17:01
ThrawnScotland, soon to be the republic of thank you very much17:01
brobostigonok.17:02
ThrawnHow do you get that ip address thing, you're obviously very good at ls; sudo apt get -bla bla nmap things stuff17:02
Thrawn??17:03
brobostigonThrawn: /whois17:03
gordonjcpor indeed, looking at the join message17:03
Thrawnis taylorworld an isp?17:03
brobostigonThrawn: that is my domain.17:03
ThrawnHow come my ip address gets broadcasted but yours doesn't17:04
brobostigonThrawn: you can easily work out my ip from my domain,17:04
brobostigonThrawn: afterall, every domain resolves back to an ip.17:05
Thrawnnmap?17:05
Thrawntracerout?17:06
Thrawnping?17:06
brobostigonthink logically, which is most basic.17:06
Thrawn??17:06
brobostigonThrawn: but why would you want to know my ip anyway?17:07
ThrawnI've only been using ubuntu a while, I install things with debian17:07
brobostigonThrawn: the tools in debian and ubuntu are exactly the same,17:07
ThrawnI don't anymore, I was just jealous that you could find mine but I couldn't find yorus17:07
Thrawndebian package installer I should say17:07
ThrawnI keep failing with sudo make17:08
brobostigonThrawn: ubuntu has apt and aptitude and dpkg, just like debian.17:08
Thrawn:( I think I'm scared I think I'll just pay bill gates lots of money and buy Windows 717:09
ThrawnActually I won't I'll just download this hacked copy off thepiratebay.org through transmission17:10
ThrawnCan I VMware it?17:10
brobostigonThrawn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup that is what i have setup on my dns, for it to resolve the way it is.17:11
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdC4aUuHEk17:54
MartijnVdSmgdm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdC4aUuHEk17:54
MartijnVdS</spam>17:55
dwatkins0 AD is a silly name for a game, but it looks like it might be quite good.17:56
MartijnVdS0 AD never existed17:56
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: precisely :)17:57
dwatkinsWildfire appear to be making a game for linux with this name.17:57
brobostigonMartijnVdS: impressive. :)17:57
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I only turned it off because it was flashing lights at me.. but it was still working17:57
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: I think it was trying to tell me it was <50% battery or <50% disk17:58
dwatkinsWhat did you use to make the timelapse, MartijnVdS?17:58
MartijnVdSdwatkins: CHDK on my Ixus17:58
MartijnVdSdwatkins: + a Lua script17:58
dwatkinsgroovy17:58
MartijnVdSdwatkins: I'm planning on doing one with my EOS (+ gphoto2) soonish18:00
dwatkinsI plan on setting up an IR webcam18:00
MartijnVdSwith motion trigger?18:00
dwatkinsnot sure yet, hopefully18:01
palnjhey guys18:01
dwatkinsIt would be a nice project for a Raspberry Pi ;)18:01
AzelphurThis laptop is tempting me... http://www.nerdilicio.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/gscreen-spacebook-17-dual-screen-laptop-web-red-blk-1050-010.jpg18:01
dwatkinshi palnj18:01
MartijnVdSdwatkins: oooh! good one18:01
palnjdwatkins: thx18:01
palnjwhats being said round here?18:01
MartijnVdSAzelphur: No. It's not.18:01
MartijnVdSAzelphur: it's UG-LEH18:01
AzelphurYOUR UG-LEH.18:02
MartijnVdSpalnj: I made a time-lapse video18:02
palnjan IR webcam? didnt know they had such things18:02
MartijnVdSAzelphur: my ug-leh what? :P18:02
AzelphurMartijnVdS: it's awesome, dual screen laptop is certainly interesting :P18:02
MartijnVdSAzelphur: if it were seamless, sure18:02
MartijnVdSAzelphur: but with the large black bar.. no18:02
dwatkinspalnj: yeah, you used to have to take the IR filter out and make your own IR lighting array, now you can buy them ready-built with pan/tilt18:02
AzelphurMartijnVdS: the black bar is quite small18:02
palnjAzelphur: it does look kind of awful18:02
MartijnVdSAzelphur: it's not width 018:02
Azelphurno bigger than on any standard dual screen config?18:02
palnjdwatkins: ah. cool!18:03
MartijnVdSAzelphur: Hence my hate of dual screens :)18:03
MartijnVdSwell18:03
MartijnVdSstrong dislike18:03
Azelphurhaha18:03
* dwatkins orders a bitbeam stand because they look cool18:03
AzelphurMartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y286GD_OVM&t=1m15s :P18:03
palnji thought you would have taken the IR camera out of a Wiimote and stuck it in a case to plug in via USB :P18:04
dwatkinsI imagine the ones in a Wiimote are standard webcams with a different filter18:04
directhexnothing so complex18:05
ali1234all CCDs are sensitive to IR18:06
palnjAzelphur: the SpaceBook has a good use, it just needs to be aesphetically pleasing aswell :D18:06
ali1234in fact they are more sensitive to IR than everything else18:06
Azelphur*shrug*18:07
Azelphurpalnj: I've just been wandering around trying to find someone actually doing something interesting with laptops18:07
Azelphurthey all seem to look 'boring', and have no special/interesting features now days.18:07
palnjAzlephur, true, but everyone is always accustomed the the orthodox norm nowadays18:07
palnjone of the major reasons people are afraid to try things like Linux ;)18:08
palnjbut i appreciate his nerve to try and produce this18:08
AzelphurI'm still using my old XPS M1730, it seems like it's almost the last laptop to actually try something cool/vaguely new18:09
penguin42Azelphur: There is a Thinkpad varient that has dual screen18:09
Azelphurfun18:10
Azelphurdoesn't seem as impressive as the gscreen though, the hardware is much lower and the price much higher18:10
* dwatkins donates to Wikipedia, finally pushed over the edge by their protests about SOPA18:10
ali1234gimmicks cost money18:11
Azelphuridd18:11
Azelphurhttp://www.hothardware.com/newsimages/item6966/big_rig_lit1.jpg I paid £500 for this, it's my current laptop18:11
Azelphurit has plenty of awesome gimmicky things.18:11
shaunodoes it come with a dolly to move it around?18:11
penguin42youch, are those break lights?18:12
ali1234glossy screen :(18:12
ali1234nice reflections18:12
Azelphurpenguin42: haha, they are RGB so you can change them (or turn them off), I set mine to blue.18:12
Azelphurali1234: mines matte18:12
shaunoare there they media buttons right where your wrist hits the frame?18:13
dwatkinsali1234: gimmicks?18:14
shaunoaltho I guess that's less of a problem when the touchpad is so small you'd never consider using it18:14
Azelphurshauno: your judging it based on it being a small laptop, it's not18:15
Azelphuryour hands never go near those media controls, your arms rest over the speakers18:15
Azelphurand the touchpad is very nice, and very big.18:15
shaunothat's a big touchpad?  what is it, a 27" screen?18:15
ali1234shauno: the touchpad isn't small, the laptop is huge18:16
Azelphur^ that18:16
shaunofrom that angle, it looks like it's about the same size as 3x2 keys on the keyboard18:17
Azelphurshauno: there ya go, http://media.photobucket.com/image/M1730/professionalmods/M1730%20-4/SNC00208.jpg a good idea of the size of it18:17
Azelphurcompared to some CD's :P18:17
Azelphuryou can bash it for being too big or too heavy, that's fine :p18:18
ali1234at 5kg it probably weighs more than my computer18:18
Azelphurhaha :D18:18
Azelphurali1234: that's probably minus the power supply which is alarmingly close size wise to my netbook.18:19
ali1234you should build your own laptop18:19
AzelphurI keep getting tempted18:19
ali1234get a desktop case, flatscreen monitor, and a door hinge18:19
* penguin42 hands ali1234 a UPS and a small case - probably smaller than that one18:19
Azelphurali1234: hahaha18:20
Azelphurali1234: I was tempted to do that with a mini itx setup18:20
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ubuntuuk-planet[Tony] The most wonderful time of the year - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/12/24/the-most-wonderful-time-of-the-year/18:21
zleaphello19:06
ThrawnMerry xmas19:08
zleapmerry christmas19:11
stnickho, ho ho!19:26
stnicksanta here19:26
stnickhave we all been good boys and girls this year?19:26
ThrawnSanta, I need a miracle19:26
ThrawnCan my girlfriend have an ipad keyoard?19:27
ThrawnShe doesn't like the ar drone parrot I got her19:27
stnickThrawn, I am the FLOSS santa, so no19:29
stnickanyway, trying to get round all the channels by midnight, so have a good gnumas and a flossy new year!19:30
palnjhey19:52
zleaphi19:53
zleapmerry christmas19:53
palnjzleap: thx ;)19:53
palnjanyone else talking here?19:54
penguin42not too busy here19:54
zleapi am19:54
zleapwaiting for my dvd authoring software to finish19:54
palnjlol cool19:55
palnji guess :/19:55
zleapwell i gave up with what i was doing yesterday so just gone for the star trek episodes in 1 file,  I am going to do the others again after downloading complete episodes rather than the two episodes that have been split up19:55
zleapso what you up to19:58
ThrawnI downloaded the 46gig babylon 5 complete series+films took a week and a bit19:59
zleapdoes anyone here play open arena ?19:59
ThrawnWhat's that?19:59
zleapnice19:59
palnjnm, just signing the Ubuntu CoC atm, then pulling an all-nighter so i can open my xmas presents extra-early :P19:59
zleapgame using the quake 3 engine19:59
zleappalnj, good plan :)20:00
zleapso you run around shooting people20:00
zleapand collect stuff like more guns, etc20:00
* zleap hands palnj a stack of coke cans for caffine 20:00
palnjweather-man: "I'm afraid I won't be saying the 'S' word for tomorrow's forecast..."20:00
palnjis that santa by any chance?20:00
zleapsnow i would guess20:01
* palnj informs zleap that caffeine does him no good20:01
zleapok20:01
palnjzleap: duh its snow, but i bet tons of kids that saw that are thinking that santa isnt coming now :P20:01
zleaplol20:01
palnjGoogle has this track Santa thing20:02
palnji've never been on it 'til this year20:02
palnjit's kinda rubbish20:02
zleapmaybe younger kids may like it20:05
zleaphi exobuzz20:05
exobuzzhi20:09
zleaphow are you20:11
RaycisCharlespalnj: it's a NORAD recruiting tool designed to brainwash 5-year-olds.20:17
RaycisCharlesBeware...20:17
palnjRaycisCharles: lol what do NORAD do anyways? :S20:18
zleapyay http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/interviews/a354678/dizzy-prince-of-the-yolkfolk-interview-how-the-comeback-happened.html20:18
zleapnorth american airdefence20:19
zleaper i think they co-ordianate defences in case of WWIII, hence theyare in side that bunker (if you watch wargames the are anyway)20:19
RaycisCharlespalnj: air missile defence, I think.20:20
penguin42zleap: Apparently the real bunker is much smaller20:20
RaycisCharleszleap: it's a cover for Stargate Command.20:20
palnjRaycisCharles: maybe the track santa thing is real then, so they know where he is and dont accidentally release a misslie that kills the big red guy20:20
palnjthat would be a shame20:20
RaycisCharlesI think it's NORAD's job to prevent Iran downing Santa with a scud.20:21
palnjRaycisCharles: lol possibly20:21
RaycisCharlesThere are like 8 Christians left in Iran - they need presents too.20:21
zleapi was watching a program on tv the other day about christians in the middle east20:22
zleapwell it was a lords debate on it,  quite interesting20:22
Masconomethat does the Queen do after Christmas lunch?20:31
MasconometWhat*20:31
palnjMasconomet: make love to Prince Philip in hospital20:31
zleapwell she used to do the queens speech but as this is no longer live, dunno20:31
palnjor is he out of there now?20:31
zleapnot yet,  still in so they keep an eye on him i guess20:32
palnjzleap: aw, i hate it when everything's about the royal family20:32
palnjBBC news doesn't do reports on other 90 year olds needing heart operations20:33
zleapunless they are famous20:33
palnjthat's why fame irritates me20:33
palnji wouldn't  mind being famous or not20:33
zleapi find the news keeps being dominated by 1 or 2 stories20:33
palnji mean...i'd like to be famous20:33
palnjbut i wouldnt mind20:33
palnjzleap: oh so true20:34
zleapif you want proper news go for russia today or al jazera (or what ever its called)20:34
palnjIndian news channels are worse20:34
Masconometthey go to church in the morning, definitely20:34
MasconometSt Mary Magdalene, in Sandringham20:34
palnjthey repeat the /exact/ same things20:34
MasconometBut they've furnished us with remarkable details, I have to say, the Royal Family.20:34
zleaproyal tradition20:34
palnjas in recorder and played back every so often20:34
MasconometAnyways, to cut it short the answer is: She goes into the saloon and watches herself on television20:34
palnj*recorded20:34
palnjMasconomet: i like that assumption20:35
palnjAl Jazeera20:35
penguin42maybe a bit of knitting with a corgi on her lap20:35
zleapyeah20:35
zleapor watch tv20:35
palnjpenguin42: loooooooooooooooooooooools20:35
MasconometOn Christmas Eve, right, they gather in the white drawing room at Sandringham, around a twenty foot Christmas tree cut from the Sandringham estate. It's decorated by the Queen herself. at 5 pm, the whole family has a cup of Earl Grey, except the Queen, who has her own Indian blend.20:35
palnjzleap: apparently the Queen watches the One Show20:35
MasconometAnd then they have sandwiches, cakes, and scones.20:36
zleapah20:36
MasconometAt 6 pm, they open presents20:36
zleapin the evening20:36
palnjMasconomet: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooools again20:36
MasconometThis is Christmas Eve, remember. Why do they open presents on Christmas Eve?20:36
MasconometBecuase they are all fucking Germans!20:36
MasconometSo there you are20:36
zleapcos they have to be out early on xmas day to go to church suppose20:36
palnjI bet the Queen wants a new corgi for Christmas20:37
MasconometThe queen gives the signal. they give each other practical presents, it turns out.20:37
MasconometOh dear20:37
Masconometthe Queen is said to have been "delighted with a casserole dish and a gift-wrapped washing-up apron20:37
Masconometyou think it's one of those ones with tits on the front?20:37
palnj(leading quote missing)20:38
zleapi suppose she would give the apron to the kitchen people that do it20:38
palnjMasconomet: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooools again20:38
* palnj will actually die of laughter if Masconomet pulls another funny20:38
MasconometAnyway, Prince Philip then serves port or brandy to the male members of the Royal Family20:38
MasconometIts tradition.20:38
MasconometTribal stuff20:38
penguin42Then she browses around the web for the latest stuffin the sales20:39
palnjMasconomet: yes we all know that part20:39
zleapwell as he is in hospital that could be difficult20:39
palnjthat's boring, even for a 90 year-old Duke20:39
MasconometIf I told you this about some Aboriginal tribe, you'd say "ohh, thats interesting"20:39
* palnj just died of laughter20:39
MasconometSo its just a tribal behaviour. thats all; its interesting. I think20:39
zleapyeah he asked one tribe if they still chuck spears at each other aparently20:39
* palnj re-generated20:39
palnjOH! Is anyone watching the Dr Who xmas special?20:40
zleapmay do20:40
palnjzleap: good, it looks bloody awesome20:40
MasconometThey get stockings on Christmas morning..20:40
palnjim a fan, as you may be able to tell20:40
MasconometThe family pulls crackers but hte queen refuses to wear her paper party hat.20:40
palnjMasconomet: enough about the Royal family's goings-on20:40
palnjI wonder if the Queen has ever used Linux20:41
zleappalnj, send her a copy :)20:41
palnji would if i had her address20:41
zleapbuckingham palace, london20:41
palnjor rather, permission to send her anything20:42
* palnj realised his fatal mistake20:42
palnjthey might think it's a virus, knowing their security20:42
zleapI can't tell from the website what its running http://www.royal.gov.uk/20:43
penguin42it did run RHEL for a while20:43
zleaptried to type in a random letters after the domain as errors can usually tell you what the server is running20:43
palnjhttp://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=royal.gov.uk20:44
zleaphmm20:44
NafalloServer: Microsoft-IIS/7.520:45
zleapoh well20:45
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penguin42oh, that's where our tax goes20:46
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zleappenguin42, yeah nice to see its being spent wisely when there is a free alternative eh20:47
NafalloX-Powered-By: ASP.NET20:48
Nafallomight be one reason20:48
NafalloI'm not sure we run ASP that well...20:48
zleapwell you can get asp modules for apache i think20:49
Nafalloyeah. I'm just not at all sure they will run as well as on IIS though.20:49
zleapwell theya re both created by microsoft, so you would think so20:50
zleapthen again you never know20:50
zleapbrb need to burn another dvd20:56
palnjhey again21:06
zleaphi21:07
zleaphold on dvd writer fails to auto eject21:07
* zleap has one monitor and 2 computers, so keeps having to switch cabels21:08
zleapcables21:08
penguin42zleap: Get a monitor switch, another monitor or a monitor with two inputs!21:08
zleapI got one,  i haven't got round to setting it all up yet21:09
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zleap2 hours 45 to go (well about that)21:13
popeyevening all21:14
MartijnVdS\o21:14
zleapevening popey21:15
zleapif i click on my home directory it opens up the file manager showing my home folder whichis fine, i i want to open another instance of this (to navigate elsewhere) I can't21:18
zleapso i can't easily open up two locations from the same button21:18
zleapi think it needs an open new window option21:20
DJoneszleap: Middle click21:21
MartijnVdS\o/ middle click21:21
zleapah thanks21:21
zleapi guess i need a unity cheat sheet with all the short cuts on (yeah there is on in 12.04)21:22
AlanBellyeah, totally undetectable to orca :(21:24
zleaporca21:24
AlanBellscreen reader21:25
zleapok21:25
zleapoh you mean the unity one21:25
zleapi found a site with short cuts on etc21:25
zleaphttp://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html21:25
AlanBellyeah, the new overlay on long hold of super key21:26
AlanBellbroken by design21:26
zleapso far holding down super produces the side bar thing (btw what is the correct name for this)21:27
gordonjcpI find the use of Super key just plain annoying anyway21:27
gordonjcpwhat, am I meant to get rid of my IBM Model M just because some cretinous "user experience designer" with a mickey mouse degree reckons I should be using the windows key?21:28
gordonjcpsod that21:28
penguin42gordonjcp: Well as I type this on my Model M I agree - although you can get some model M remakes these days with the extra key - it has to be said that an extra key is never a bad thing21:29
zleapi take it the model M does not have a windows key21:29
penguin42zleap: It predates them by about 10 years21:29
zleapah21:29
zleapi liked the orignal solid ibm keyboard21:29
penguin42zleap: They're lovely keyboards though21:29
penguin42zleap: Yep, that's what the ModelM is21:29
zleapah21:29
zleapbuilt to last21:29
penguin42nod, although I do have some faults coming onto some of mine21:30
zleapeven if dropped, if dropped on foot, foot = broken i guess21:30
penguin42yes, although  the keys may fly off :-)21:30
zleapah21:30
zleapok, when i hold down super what are the numbers displayed on the apps icons ( i am guessing someting like number of documents in recent history)21:31
MartijnVdSzleap: press one of the numbers while holding Super21:31
MartijnVdSzleap: it's like alt tab but faster21:31
popeyzleap: super + shift + 121:31
MartijnVdSzleap: also, you don't have to wait for the numbers21:32
popeywill open a new nautilus window21:32
zleapnice21:32
popeysuper + shift + (number) opens a new window of whichever app is the numbered one on the launcher from 1-921:32
MartijnVdSpopey: shift for new, no shift for "switch to current"21:32
popeyyes21:32
zleapneat21:32
zleapthat would be a good thing to print on the cd wallets21:32
zleapor to i nclude with self made cd's21:33
* popey notes neither microsoft nor apple do that21:33
popeyapple does have a rather nice video tutorial in the settings app to show you how to use the touchpad21:34
zleapyay21:34
zleaplets hope they don't steal the idea,21:34
zleapand if the try and patent it,  god help em21:34
popeyyou're missing my point21:34
zleapok21:35
popeythat nobody else feels the need to print a keyboard shortcut list with the cd, why should we?21:35
zleapok21:35
zleapi thought u meant that neither or apple have that super + number feature21:35
zleapneither MS or apple21:35
penguin42popey: Would be an interesting way to publicise some of the shortcuts21:36
popeywindows 7 has exactly that feature21:36
zleapah21:36
zleapso who thought if it first21:36
* Nafallo thought we had help.ubuntu.com for that kind of stuff.21:36
popeydunno who thought of it first, don't think it matters really.21:36
shaunoI think if you need cheat sheets, you're doing it wrong.  That works for games which use keys for non-obvious methods.  The desktop shouldn't be non-obvious21:37
zleapok21:37
zleapwell i didn't know about that feature till i was just told,  so unless people know about it,  how they goint to find out21:37
Nafalloshauno: games and zworak ;-)21:37
Nafallosworak maybe.21:38
popeysame for everyone zleap21:38
zleapok21:38
popeythere's things I dont know about unity21:38
popeyif i want to, I'll go and find out or ask a nerd21:38
Nafallosvorak even21:38
MartijnVdSpopey: What? But you work for canonical!21:38
shaunodvorak?21:38
MartijnVdSpopey: you're in on the conspiracy!21:38
Nafallozleap: ehrm. read the manual? :-)21:38
zleapok21:38
Nafallosvorak is the Swedish dvorak, so yeah.21:39
Nafallothat21:39
shaunoah!  this I didn't know21:40
MartijnVdSWhat's wrong with plain old qwerty21:42
NafalloMartijnVdS: did anyone say there was? :-)21:43
MartijnVdSah, svorak == qwerty21:43
NafalloI spent like... 3mins on (s/d)vorak before I went back to qwerty21:43
Nafallosvorak != qwerty21:43
shaunoI like dvorak, but I jump between machines far too often to make it practical21:44
shaunoI have enough problems trying to use a GB keymap on a US keyboard :/21:44
palnjLapland on BBC1 is pretty funny22:13
* daubers smells of white spirits and IPA22:13
AlanBellclassy22:15
* AlanBell eyes up the glass of wiskey left by the fireplace22:16
brobostigonhehe :)22:17
jutnuxChristmas \o/22:18
* daubers has to drive lots tomorrow22:19
daubersno whiskey for me :(22:19
daubersMaybe tomorrow evening when I get home22:19
palnjjutnux: too right \o/ xmas rules22:39
czajkowskiNollaig Shona Dhuit / Merry Christmas22:53
AlanBello/ czajkowski22:54
czajkowskiAlanBell: oi oi22:54
* AlanBell just got that pronounced22:55
czajkowskiahhh22:56
czajkowski:)22:56
czajkowskiI'll get ye all saying stuff at some point22:57
AlanBellslainte is good22:58
AlanBellI would do the accent if I wasn't on a phone22:58
czajkowski:)22:58
jutnuxI've nearly watched the whole first series of Stargate on Christmas Eve :|23:06
RaycisCharlesClose call.23:11
AlanBellhappy winterval \o/23:59
imexilany good suggestion to cut a ogv video file?23:59
imexil(it's xmas related ; ))23:59

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