[00:01] <jutnux> Now off guys, have a good night.
[00:01] <jutnux> s/night/morning ;)
[00:04] <AlanBell> night all o/
[00:04] <jutnux> \o
[00:10] <ali12341> monsterwizard: y u send me dll?
[00:10] <monsterwizard> oops
[00:10] <monsterwizard> sorry
[00:10] <monsterwizard> wrong person
[00:10] <monsterwizard> very sorry
[00:58] <paln> hey guys
[00:58] <paln> anybody home?
[00:59] <jutnux> Kinda
[00:59] <paln> jutnux: lol
[00:59] <paln> who else is here? anyone?
[01:00] <paln> I couldn't change my age on google account
[01:00] <paln> had to delete my YouTube to attempt it, but to no avail
[01:29] <jutnux> Everyone awake is nocturnal :-)
[01:57] <monsterwizard> indeed
[01:57] <monsterwizard> I'm reading about von neumann
[01:57] <monsterwizard> the guy was insane
[02:19] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Ageing Gracefully - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4517
[06:27] <shauno> morning
[07:25] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:02] <AlanBell> morning
[08:59] <shauno> I do love christmas.  no-one calls unless they have a proper problem
[09:03] <kvarley> How big a swap should I create if I have 16GB RAM?
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> as much as you like?
[09:03] <kvarley> I always hear different things on the forums which is why I ask here
[09:03] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: 8GB?
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> well swap is used for suspend-to-disk
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[09:03] <kvarley> So in theory I don't actually need one at all
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> kvarley: ^ that has guidelines
[09:04] <kvarley> MartijnVdS: Thanks
[09:11] <shauno> swap's a strange beast.  I rarely go more than 10-20 meg into swap.  but last time I did, I went 40GB deep
[09:12] <shauno> and then osx left me a little "it's not me, it's you" note, and left the building :/
[10:41] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:15] <MartijnVdS> \o
[11:15] <brobostigon> o/
[11:16] <MartijnVdS> I'm so glad I did my shopping earlier this week
[11:16] <brobostigon> :)
[11:25] <acperkins> I've done all my Christmas shopping on the 24th far too often
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> Why did I buy this concrete house
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> drilling holes--
[11:35] <nigelb> heh
[11:36] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: why are you drilling holes?
[11:38] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: I'm making a network port and fixing the cable TV point of entry
[11:39] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: and fibre will be terminated in the same corner of my living room :)
[11:39] <StevenR> :)
[11:40] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: so it'll end up being fibre termination -> media converter (gbit ethernet) -> cupboard with patch panel -> router -> switch :)
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> or cable modem -> etc. if someone decides to get cable internet instead of fibre (WHY?!?!! though)
[11:41] <StevenR> cheaponess?
[11:41] <MartijnVdS> ?
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> what do you mean?
[11:42] <StevenR> cable is cheaper?
[11:43] <StevenR> like.. £176 quid cheaper over the course of a year
[11:46] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: by fibre, you mean BT-infinity style?
[12:11] <Nafallo> if it was infinity style he wouldn't need a media converter, so no.
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x -> FttH :)
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: BT Infinity is VDSL2, I already have that :)
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> StevenR: (well, in the Netherlands, so not BT but it's still the same technology)
[12:14] <Nafallo> +luckily ;-)
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: luckily? :) Is BT that bad/evil/wrong?
[12:16] <Nafallo> to be fair, I haven't used them. but they feel a lot like Telia back in Sweden :-P
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> ah the big ex-government telco?
[12:16] <Nafallo> yeah.
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> technically, my ISP(+employer) is part of KPN, the Dutch ex-gov telco
[12:16] <Nafallo> also, they advertise three SSIDs on their ADSL-modems.
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> But everything IP(v6) is "ours" so it's sane :)
[12:17] <Nafallo> by default they re-sell part of your bandwidth to people that sign up for a hot-spot.
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> eww
[12:17] <Nafallo> yeah. quite.
[12:19] <Nafallo> but yeah. there are other familarities.
[12:20] <Nafallo> telia split out skanova to run the cables, bt split out openreach for the same purpose...
[12:20] <Nafallo> stuff like that.
[12:23] <popey> morning!
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> Cable as in TV cable?
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> Nafallo: KPN is not allowed (by the regulator, OPTA, think Ofcom) on the TV cable
[12:23] <Nafallo> fibres, coppers etc... infrastructure
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> ah yes
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> that's a bit more complex here :)
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> KPN owns the copper (phone) wire, the cable companies own the TV cable, but a sort-of independent spinoff owns the fibre (50-60% KPN owned)
[12:25] <Nafallo> yeah. skanova/openreach would be that spinoff, but with all teh phone/fibre cables
[12:26] <Nafallo> not sure about tv, but I suspect it's the individual providers, based on what I've seen on the streets.
[12:26] <Nafallo> morning popey
[12:29] <Nafallo> wow
[12:29] <Nafallo> +2C in Sweden
[12:30] <Nafallo> that would have been doable after all...
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> but .. but .. you can't go faster than c
[12:30] <Nafallo> asm
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[12:35] <christel> Nafallo: are you home in sweden for christmas? :)
[12:35] <Nafallo> christel: the first part was right. not the second :-p
[12:36] <Nafallo> christel: I'm home, in London.
[12:36] <christel> aww
[12:37] <Nafallo> hmm
[12:37] <Nafallo> I just checked my firefox, and was reminded of why I didn't get to sleep last night.
[12:37] <christel> oh yes?
[12:38] <Nafallo> http://www.thegerbils.co.uk/contact ;-)
[12:39] <Nafallo> and before that I checked battersea cats and dogs rescue.
[12:39] <Nafallo> I need a pet or three.
[12:40] <christel> aww
[12:40] <christel> http://isnsfw.blogspot.com/2011/12/may-internet-bring-you-comfort.html
[12:40] <christel> you can borrow my dog
[12:40] <christel> she's mad
[12:41] <christel> or my son, or both
[12:41]  * christel nods
[12:41] <Nafallo> what breed? :-)
[12:42] <Nafallo> hah. nice picture :-)
[12:42] <christel> she's a staffordshire bull terrier
[12:43] <Nafallo> if you're serious about lending her...
[12:44] <Nafallo> my parents have one, and that was the breed I was eye-balling yesterday ;-)
[12:47] <Nafallo> christel: http://www.battersea.org.uk/dogs/kiya_21057.html
[12:48] <Nafallo> they have a complete section just for staffies :-/
[12:48] <Nafallo> not sure that that is about.
[12:49] <Nafallo> all the staffies I've met has been absolutely gorgeous.
[14:38]  * MartijnVdS makes another time-lapse -- of the sunset
[15:17] <AlanBell> afternoon all
[15:18] <brobostigon> afternoonings AlanBell
[15:36] <StevenR> MartijnVdS: all we've got is rainy rain here :(
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> This is going to be a beautiful (long!) time-lapse
[15:59] <brobostigon> :)
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> too bad the resolution of my old ixus isn't quite 4k video :)
[16:00] <MartijnVdS> or I'd upload that to youtube
[16:02] <brobostigon> ohwell.
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> Once I get my solar filter, I'll do some with my EOS 350D
[16:02] <MartijnVdS> that should be enough
[16:03] <mgdm> I've done timelapses off a 400D. Yes, that's plenty :)
[16:03] <brobostigon> ok.
[16:03] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: \o/ gphoto :)
[16:05] <mgdm> I used a timelapse controller I got (a clone of the official canon one, for a tenth of the price)
[16:05] <mgdm> then a combination of ufraw and ffmpeg to make the video
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: gphoto2 can take pictures on the EOS350d, I'm using ffmpeg to create the video
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: but currently I'm using CHDK on an Icus
[16:05] <MartijnVdS> Ixus
[16:06] <mgdm> I have that on a PowerShot A47-
[16:06] <mgdm> 470, even
[16:06] <mgdm> Though the last timelapse I took was with a Logitech HD webcam hooked up to an NSLU2 running OpenWRT
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> that might work :)
[16:07] <MartijnVdS> now for a night of burning up my CPU ;)
[16:07] <mgdm> it does work, indeed :)
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> I wonder if my Picsio is controllable
[16:08] <MartijnVdS> probably not
[16:15] <MartijnVdS> hmm.. it's 1fps now
[16:18] <mgdm> I did once do a TL of 10-second exposures through the ND1000
[16:18] <mgdm> but I can't find the videos
[16:18] <mgdm> might've been longer than 10, actually
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> woo it's halfway
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> no
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> 1/3
[16:36] <MartijnVdS> only took half an hour 8-)
[16:41] <MartijnVdS> ffmpeg now eats ~390% CPU
[16:59] <Thrawn> Wooo merry xmas everyone
[16:59] <Thrawn> What a wonderful christmas morning this is
[17:00] <Thrawn> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[17:00] <Thrawn> HOW ARE YOU YOOOOOOO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
[17:01] <brobostigon> it is 5pm on the 24th, tmrw, is 7 hours away, untill the morning of the 25th.
[17:01] <MartijnVdS> he might be in a different time zone :)
[17:01] <Thrawn> Hurray
[17:01] <brobostigon> 16:59:44 -!- Thrawn [Thrawn@94-195-174-233.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-uk
[17:01] <Thrawn> No its 5pm here too but I just woke up
[17:01] <brobostigon> is in the uk.
[17:01] <Thrawn> Scotland, soon to be the republic of thank you very much
[17:02] <brobostigon> ok.
[17:02] <Thrawn> How do you get that ip address thing, you're obviously very good at ls; sudo apt get -bla bla nmap things stuff
[17:03] <Thrawn> ??
[17:03] <brobostigon> Thrawn: /whois
[17:03] <gordonjcp> or indeed, looking at the join message
[17:03] <Thrawn> is taylorworld an isp?
[17:03] <brobostigon> Thrawn: that is my domain.
[17:04] <Thrawn> How come my ip address gets broadcasted but yours doesn't
[17:04] <brobostigon> Thrawn: you can easily work out my ip from my domain,
[17:05] <brobostigon> Thrawn: afterall, every domain resolves back to an ip.
[17:05] <Thrawn> nmap?
[17:06] <Thrawn> tracerout?
[17:06] <Thrawn> ping?
[17:06] <brobostigon> think logically, which is most basic.
[17:06] <Thrawn> ??
[17:07] <brobostigon> Thrawn: but why would you want to know my ip anyway?
[17:07] <Thrawn> I've only been using ubuntu a while, I install things with debian
[17:07] <brobostigon> Thrawn: the tools in debian and ubuntu are exactly the same,
[17:07] <Thrawn> I don't anymore, I was just jealous that you could find mine but I couldn't find yorus
[17:07] <Thrawn> debian package installer I should say
[17:08] <Thrawn> I keep failing with sudo make
[17:08] <brobostigon> Thrawn: ubuntu has apt and aptitude and dpkg, just like debian.
[17:09] <Thrawn> :( I think I'm scared I think I'll just pay bill gates lots of money and buy Windows 7
[17:10] <Thrawn> Actually I won't I'll just download this hacked copy off thepiratebay.org through transmission
[17:10] <Thrawn> Can I VMware it?
[17:11] <brobostigon> Thrawn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup that is what i have setup on my dns, for it to resolve the way it is.
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdC4aUuHEk
[17:54] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdC4aUuHEk
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[17:56] <dwatkins> 0 AD is a silly name for a game, but it looks like it might be quite good.
[17:56] <MartijnVdS> 0 AD never existed
[17:57] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: precisely :)
[17:57] <dwatkins> Wildfire appear to be making a game for linux with this name.
[17:57] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: impressive. :)
[17:57] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I only turned it off because it was flashing lights at me.. but it was still working
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I think it was trying to tell me it was <50% battery or <50% disk
[17:58] <dwatkins> What did you use to make the timelapse, MartijnVdS?
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: CHDK on my Ixus
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: + a Lua script
[17:58] <dwatkins> groovy
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: I'm planning on doing one with my EOS (+ gphoto2) soonish
[18:00] <dwatkins> I plan on setting up an IR webcam
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> with motion trigger?
[18:01] <dwatkins> not sure yet, hopefully
[18:01] <palnj> hey guys
[18:01] <dwatkins> It would be a nice project for a Raspberry Pi ;)
[18:01] <Azelphur> This laptop is tempting me... http://www.nerdilicio.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/gscreen-spacebook-17-dual-screen-laptop-web-red-blk-1050-010.jpg
[18:01] <dwatkins> hi palnj
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: oooh! good one
[18:01] <palnj> dwatkins: thx
[18:01] <palnj> whats being said round here?
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: No. It's not.
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's UG-LEH
[18:02] <Azelphur> YOUR UG-LEH.
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> palnj: I made a time-lapse video
[18:02] <palnj> an IR webcam? didnt know they had such things
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: my ug-leh what? :P
[18:02] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: it's awesome, dual screen laptop is certainly interesting :P
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: if it were seamless, sure
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: but with the large black bar.. no
[18:02] <dwatkins> palnj: yeah, you used to have to take the IR filter out and make your own IR lighting array, now you can buy them ready-built with pan/tilt
[18:02] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: the black bar is quite small
[18:02] <palnj> Azelphur: it does look kind of awful
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it's not width 0
[18:02] <Azelphur> no bigger than on any standard dual screen config?
[18:03] <palnj> dwatkins: ah. cool!
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: Hence my hate of dual screens :)
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> well
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> strong dislike
[18:03] <Azelphur> haha
[18:03]  * dwatkins orders a bitbeam stand because they look cool
[18:03] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y286GD_OVM&t=1m15s :P
[18:04] <palnj> i thought you would have taken the IR camera out of a Wiimote and stuck it in a case to plug in via USB :P
[18:04] <dwatkins> I imagine the ones in a Wiimote are standard webcams with a different filter
[18:05] <directhex> nothing so complex
[18:06] <ali1234> all CCDs are sensitive to IR
[18:06] <palnj> Azelphur: the SpaceBook has a good use, it just needs to be aesphetically pleasing aswell :D
[18:06] <ali1234> in fact they are more sensitive to IR than everything else
[18:07] <Azelphur> *shrug*
[18:07] <Azelphur> palnj: I've just been wandering around trying to find someone actually doing something interesting with laptops
[18:07] <Azelphur> they all seem to look 'boring', and have no special/interesting features now days.
[18:07] <palnj> Azlephur, true, but everyone is always accustomed the the orthodox norm nowadays
[18:08] <palnj> one of the major reasons people are afraid to try things like Linux ;)
[18:08] <palnj> but i appreciate his nerve to try and produce this
[18:09] <Azelphur> I'm still using my old XPS M1730, it seems like it's almost the last laptop to actually try something cool/vaguely new
[18:09] <penguin42> Azelphur: There is a Thinkpad varient that has dual screen
[18:10] <Azelphur> fun
[18:10] <Azelphur> doesn't seem as impressive as the gscreen though, the hardware is much lower and the price much higher
[18:10]  * dwatkins donates to Wikipedia, finally pushed over the edge by their protests about SOPA
[18:11] <ali1234> gimmicks cost money
[18:11] <Azelphur> idd
[18:11] <Azelphur> http://www.hothardware.com/newsimages/item6966/big_rig_lit1.jpg I paid £500 for this, it's my current laptop
[18:11] <Azelphur> it has plenty of awesome gimmicky things.
[18:11] <shauno> does it come with a dolly to move it around?
[18:12] <penguin42> youch, are those break lights?
[18:12] <ali1234> glossy screen :(
[18:12] <ali1234> nice reflections
[18:12] <Azelphur> penguin42: haha, they are RGB so you can change them (or turn them off), I set mine to blue.
[18:12] <Azelphur> ali1234: mines matte
[18:13] <shauno> are there they media buttons right where your wrist hits the frame?
[18:14] <dwatkins> ali1234: gimmicks?
[18:14] <shauno> altho I guess that's less of a problem when the touchpad is so small you'd never consider using it
[18:15] <Azelphur> shauno: your judging it based on it being a small laptop, it's not
[18:15] <Azelphur> your hands never go near those media controls, your arms rest over the speakers
[18:15] <Azelphur> and the touchpad is very nice, and very big.
[18:15] <shauno> that's a big touchpad?  what is it, a 27" screen?
[18:16] <ali1234> shauno: the touchpad isn't small, the laptop is huge
[18:16] <Azelphur> ^ that
[18:17] <shauno> from that angle, it looks like it's about the same size as 3x2 keys on the keyboard
[18:17] <Azelphur> shauno: there ya go, http://media.photobucket.com/image/M1730/professionalmods/M1730%20-4/SNC00208.jpg a good idea of the size of it
[18:17] <Azelphur> compared to some CD's :P
[18:18] <Azelphur> you can bash it for being too big or too heavy, that's fine :p
[18:18] <ali1234> at 5kg it probably weighs more than my computer
[18:18] <Azelphur> haha :D
[18:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: that's probably minus the power supply which is alarmingly close size wise to my netbook.
[18:19] <ali1234> you should build your own laptop
[18:19] <Azelphur> I keep getting tempted
[18:19] <ali1234> get a desktop case, flatscreen monitor, and a door hinge
[18:19]  * penguin42 hands ali1234 a UPS and a small case - probably smaller than that one
[18:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: hahaha
[18:20] <Azelphur> ali1234: I was tempted to do that with a mini itx setup
[18:21] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] The most wonderful time of the year - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/12/24/the-most-wonderful-time-of-the-year/
[19:06] <zleap> hello
[19:08] <Thrawn> Merry xmas
[19:11] <zleap> merry christmas
[19:26] <stnick> ho, ho ho!
[19:26] <stnick> santa here
[19:26] <stnick> have we all been good boys and girls this year?
[19:26] <Thrawn> Santa, I need a miracle
[19:27] <Thrawn> Can my girlfriend have an ipad keyoard?
[19:27] <Thrawn> She doesn't like the ar drone parrot I got her
[19:29] <stnick> Thrawn, I am the FLOSS santa, so no
[19:30] <stnick> anyway, trying to get round all the channels by midnight, so have a good gnumas and a flossy new year!
[19:52] <palnj> hey
[19:53] <zleap> hi
[19:53] <zleap> merry christmas
[19:53] <palnj> zleap: thx ;)
[19:54] <palnj> anyone else talking here?
[19:54] <penguin42> not too busy here
[19:54] <zleap> i am
[19:54] <zleap> waiting for my dvd authoring software to finish
[19:55] <palnj> lol cool
[19:55] <palnj> i guess :/
[19:55] <zleap> well i gave up with what i was doing yesterday so just gone for the star trek episodes in 1 file,  I am going to do the others again after downloading complete episodes rather than the two episodes that have been split up
[19:58] <zleap> so what you up to
[19:59] <Thrawn> I downloaded the 46gig babylon 5 complete series+films took a week and a bit
[19:59] <zleap> does anyone here play open arena ?
[19:59] <Thrawn> What's that?
[19:59] <zleap> nice
[19:59] <palnj> nm, just signing the Ubuntu CoC atm, then pulling an all-nighter so i can open my xmas presents extra-early :P
[19:59] <zleap> game using the quake 3 engine
[20:00] <zleap> palnj, good plan :)
[20:00] <zleap> so you run around shooting people
[20:00] <zleap> and collect stuff like more guns, etc
[20:00]  * zleap hands palnj a stack of coke cans for caffine 
[20:00] <palnj> weather-man: "I'm afraid I won't be saying the 'S' word for tomorrow's forecast..."
[20:00] <palnj> is that santa by any chance?
[20:01] <zleap> snow i would guess
[20:01]  * palnj informs zleap that caffeine does him no good
[20:01] <zleap> ok
[20:01] <palnj> zleap: duh its snow, but i bet tons of kids that saw that are thinking that santa isnt coming now :P
[20:01] <zleap> lol
[20:02] <palnj> Google has this track Santa thing
[20:02] <palnj> i've never been on it 'til this year
[20:02] <palnj> it's kinda rubbish
[20:05] <zleap> maybe younger kids may like it
[20:05] <zleap> hi exobuzz
[20:09] <exobuzz> hi
[20:11] <zleap> how are you
[20:17] <RaycisCharles> palnj: it's a NORAD recruiting tool designed to brainwash 5-year-olds.
[20:17] <RaycisCharles> Beware...
[20:18] <palnj> RaycisCharles: lol what do NORAD do anyways? :S
[20:18] <zleap> yay http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/interviews/a354678/dizzy-prince-of-the-yolkfolk-interview-how-the-comeback-happened.html
[20:19] <zleap> north american airdefence
[20:19] <zleap> er i think they co-ordianate defences in case of WWIII, hence theyare in side that bunker (if you watch wargames the are anyway)
[20:20] <RaycisCharles> palnj: air missile defence, I think.
[20:20] <penguin42> zleap: Apparently the real bunker is much smaller
[20:20] <RaycisCharles> zleap: it's a cover for Stargate Command.
[20:20] <palnj> RaycisCharles: maybe the track santa thing is real then, so they know where he is and dont accidentally release a misslie that kills the big red guy
[20:20] <palnj> that would be a shame
[20:21] <RaycisCharles> I think it's NORAD's job to prevent Iran downing Santa with a scud.
[20:21] <palnj> RaycisCharles: lol possibly
[20:21] <RaycisCharles> There are like 8 Christians left in Iran - they need presents too.
[20:22] <zleap> i was watching a program on tv the other day about christians in the middle east
[20:22] <zleap> well it was a lords debate on it,  quite interesting
[20:31] <Masconomet> hat does the Queen do after Christmas lunch?
[20:31] <Masconomet> What*
[20:31] <palnj> Masconomet: make love to Prince Philip in hospital
[20:31] <zleap> well she used to do the queens speech but as this is no longer live, dunno
[20:31] <palnj> or is he out of there now?
[20:32] <zleap> not yet,  still in so they keep an eye on him i guess
[20:32] <palnj> zleap: aw, i hate it when everything's about the royal family
[20:33] <palnj> BBC news doesn't do reports on other 90 year olds needing heart operations
[20:33] <zleap> unless they are famous
[20:33] <palnj> that's why fame irritates me
[20:33] <palnj> i wouldn't  mind being famous or not
[20:33] <zleap> i find the news keeps being dominated by 1 or 2 stories
[20:33] <palnj> i mean...i'd like to be famous
[20:33] <palnj> but i wouldnt mind
[20:34] <palnj> zleap: oh so true
[20:34] <zleap> if you want proper news go for russia today or al jazera (or what ever its called)
[20:34] <palnj> Indian news channels are worse
[20:34] <Masconomet> they go to church in the morning, definitely
[20:34] <Masconomet> St Mary Magdalene, in Sandringham
[20:34] <palnj> they repeat the /exact/ same things
[20:34] <Masconomet> But they've furnished us with remarkable details, I have to say, the Royal Family.
[20:34] <zleap> royal tradition
[20:34] <palnj> as in recorder and played back every so often
[20:34] <Masconomet> Anyways, to cut it short the answer is: She goes into the saloon and watches herself on television
[20:34] <palnj> *recorded
[20:35] <palnj> Masconomet: i like that assumption
[20:35] <palnj> Al Jazeera
[20:35] <penguin42> maybe a bit of knitting with a corgi on her lap
[20:35] <zleap> yeah
[20:35] <zleap> or watch tv
[20:35] <palnj> penguin42: loooooooooooooooooooooools
[20:35] <Masconomet> On Christmas Eve, right, they gather in the white drawing room at Sandringham, around a twenty foot Christmas tree cut from the Sandringham estate. It's decorated by the Queen herself. at 5 pm, the whole family has a cup of Earl Grey, except the Queen, who has her own Indian blend.
[20:35] <palnj> zleap: apparently the Queen watches the One Show
[20:36] <Masconomet> And then they have sandwiches, cakes, and scones.
[20:36] <zleap> ah
[20:36] <Masconomet> At 6 pm, they open presents
[20:36] <zleap> in the evening
[20:36] <palnj> Masconomet: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooools again
[20:36] <Masconomet> This is Christmas Eve, remember. Why do they open presents on Christmas Eve?
[20:36] <Masconomet> Becuase they are all fucking Germans!
[20:36] <Masconomet> So there you are
[20:36] <zleap> cos they have to be out early on xmas day to go to church suppose
[20:37] <palnj> I bet the Queen wants a new corgi for Christmas
[20:37] <Masconomet> The queen gives the signal. they give each other practical presents, it turns out.
[20:37] <Masconomet> Oh dear
[20:37] <Masconomet> the Queen is said to have been "delighted with a casserole dish and a gift-wrapped washing-up apron
[20:37] <Masconomet> you think it's one of those ones with tits on the front?
[20:38] <palnj> (leading quote missing)
[20:38] <zleap> i suppose she would give the apron to the kitchen people that do it
[20:38] <palnj> Masconomet: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooools again
[20:38]  * palnj will actually die of laughter if Masconomet pulls another funny
[20:38] <Masconomet> Anyway, Prince Philip then serves port or brandy to the male members of the Royal Family
[20:38] <Masconomet> Its tradition.
[20:38] <Masconomet> Tribal stuff
[20:39] <penguin42> Then she browses around the web for the latest stuffin the sales
[20:39] <palnj> Masconomet: yes we all know that part
[20:39] <zleap> well as he is in hospital that could be difficult
[20:39] <palnj> that's boring, even for a 90 year-old Duke
[20:39] <Masconomet> If I told you this about some Aboriginal tribe, you'd say "ohh, thats interesting"
[20:39]  * palnj just died of laughter
[20:39] <Masconomet> So its just a tribal behaviour. thats all; its interesting. I think
[20:39] <zleap> yeah he asked one tribe if they still chuck spears at each other aparently
[20:39]  * palnj re-generated
[20:40] <palnj> OH! Is anyone watching the Dr Who xmas special?
[20:40] <zleap> may do
[20:40] <palnj> zleap: good, it looks bloody awesome
[20:40] <Masconomet> They get stockings on Christmas morning..
[20:40] <palnj> im a fan, as you may be able to tell
[20:40] <Masconomet> The family pulls crackers but hte queen refuses to wear her paper party hat.
[20:40] <palnj> Masconomet: enough about the Royal family's goings-on
[20:41] <palnj> I wonder if the Queen has ever used Linux
[20:41] <zleap> palnj, send her a copy :)
[20:41] <palnj> i would if i had her address
[20:41] <zleap> buckingham palace, london
[20:42] <palnj> or rather, permission to send her anything
[20:42]  * palnj realised his fatal mistake
[20:42] <palnj> they might think it's a virus, knowing their security
[20:43] <zleap> I can't tell from the website what its running http://www.royal.gov.uk/
[20:43] <penguin42> it did run RHEL for a while
[20:43] <zleap> tried to type in a random letters after the domain as errors can usually tell you what the server is running
[20:44] <palnj> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=royal.gov.uk
[20:44] <zleap> hmm
[20:45] <Nafallo> Server: Microsoft-IIS/7.5
[20:45] <zleap> oh well
[20:46] <penguin42> oh, that's where our tax goes
[20:47] <zleap> penguin42, yeah nice to see its being spent wisely when there is a free alternative eh
[20:48] <Nafallo> X-Powered-By: ASP.NET
[20:48] <Nafallo> might be one reason
[20:48] <Nafallo> I'm not sure we run ASP that well...
[20:49] <zleap> well you can get asp modules for apache i think
[20:49] <Nafallo> yeah. I'm just not at all sure they will run as well as on IIS though.
[20:50] <zleap> well theya re both created by microsoft, so you would think so
[20:50] <zleap> then again you never know
[20:56] <zleap> brb need to burn another dvd
[21:06] <palnj> hey again
[21:07] <zleap> hi
[21:07] <zleap> hold on dvd writer fails to auto eject
[21:08]  * zleap has one monitor and 2 computers,  so keeps having to switch cabels
[21:08] <zleap> cables
[21:08] <penguin42> zleap: Get a monitor switch, another monitor or a monitor with two inputs!
[21:09] <zleap> I got one,  i haven't got round to setting it all up yet
[21:13] <zleap> 2 hours 45 to go (well about that)
[21:14] <popey> evening all
[21:14] <MartijnVdS> \o
[21:15] <zleap> evening popey
[21:18] <zleap> if i click on my home directory it opens up the file manager showing my home folder whichis fine, i i want to open another instance of this (to navigate elsewhere) I can't
[21:18] <zleap> so i can't easily open up two locations from the same button
[21:20] <zleap> i think it needs an open new window option
[21:21] <DJones> zleap: Middle click
[21:21] <MartijnVdS> \o/ middle click
[21:21] <zleap> ah thanks
[21:22] <zleap> i guess i need a unity cheat sheet with all the short cuts on (yeah there is on in 12.04)
[21:24] <AlanBell> yeah, totally undetectable to orca :(
[21:24] <zleap> orca
[21:25] <AlanBell> screen reader
[21:25] <zleap> ok
[21:25] <zleap> oh you mean the unity one
[21:25] <zleap> i found a site with short cuts on etc
[21:25] <zleap> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
[21:26] <AlanBell> yeah, the new overlay on long hold of super key
[21:26] <AlanBell> broken by design
[21:27] <zleap> so far holding down super produces the side bar thing (btw what is the correct name for this)
[21:27] <gordonjcp> I find the use of Super key just plain annoying anyway
[21:28] <gordonjcp> what, am I meant to get rid of my IBM Model M just because some cretinous "user experience designer" with a mickey mouse degree reckons I should be using the windows key?
[21:28] <gordonjcp> sod that
[21:29] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Well as I type this on my Model M I agree - although you can get some model M remakes these days with the extra key - it has to be said that an extra key is never a bad thing
[21:29] <zleap> i take it the model M does not have a windows key
[21:29] <penguin42> zleap: It predates them by about 10 years
[21:29] <zleap> ah
[21:29] <zleap> i liked the orignal solid ibm keyboard
[21:29] <penguin42> zleap: They're lovely keyboards though
[21:29] <penguin42> zleap: Yep, that's what the ModelM is
[21:29] <zleap> ah
[21:29] <zleap> built to last
[21:30] <penguin42> nod, although I do have some faults coming onto some of mine
[21:30] <zleap> even if dropped, if dropped on foot, foot = broken i guess
[21:30] <penguin42> yes, although  the keys may fly off :-)
[21:30] <zleap> ah
[21:31] <zleap> ok, when i hold down super what are the numbers displayed on the apps icons ( i am guessing someting like number of documents in recent history)
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> zleap: press one of the numbers while holding Super
[21:31] <MartijnVdS> zleap: it's like alt tab but faster
[21:31] <popey> zleap: super + shift + 1
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> zleap: also, you don't have to wait for the numbers
[21:32] <popey> will open a new nautilus window
[21:32] <zleap> nice
[21:32] <popey> super + shift + (number) opens a new window of whichever app is the numbered one on the launcher from 1-9
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> popey: shift for new, no shift for "switch to current"
[21:32] <popey> yes
[21:32] <zleap> neat
[21:32] <zleap> that would be a good thing to print on the cd wallets
[21:33] <zleap> or to i nclude with self made cd's
[21:33]  * popey notes neither microsoft nor apple do that
[21:34] <popey> apple does have a rather nice video tutorial in the settings app to show you how to use the touchpad
[21:34] <zleap> yay
[21:34] <zleap> lets hope they don't steal the idea,
[21:34] <zleap> and if the try and patent it,  god help em
[21:34] <popey> you're missing my point
[21:35] <zleap> ok
[21:35] <popey> that nobody else feels the need to print a keyboard shortcut list with the cd, why should we?
[21:35] <zleap> ok
[21:35] <zleap> i thought u meant that neither or apple have that super + number feature
[21:35] <zleap> neither MS or apple
[21:36] <penguin42> popey: Would be an interesting way to publicise some of the shortcuts
[21:36] <popey> windows 7 has exactly that feature
[21:36] <zleap> ah
[21:36] <zleap> so who thought if it first
[21:36]  * Nafallo thought we had help.ubuntu.com for that kind of stuff.
[21:36] <popey> dunno who thought of it first, don't think it matters really.
[21:37] <shauno> I think if you need cheat sheets, you're doing it wrong.  That works for games which use keys for non-obvious methods.  The desktop shouldn't be non-obvious
[21:37] <zleap> ok
[21:37] <zleap> well i didn't know about that feature till i was just told,  so unless people know about it,  how they goint to find out
[21:37] <Nafallo> shauno: games and zworak ;-)
[21:38] <Nafallo> sworak maybe.
[21:38] <popey> same for everyone zleap
[21:38] <zleap> ok
[21:38] <popey> there's things I dont know about unity
[21:38] <popey> if i want to, I'll go and find out or ask a nerd
[21:38] <Nafallo> svorak even
[21:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: What? But you work for canonical!
[21:38] <shauno> dvorak?
[21:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: you're in on the conspiracy!
[21:38] <Nafallo> zleap: ehrm. read the manual? :-)
[21:38] <zleap> ok
[21:39] <Nafallo> svorak is the Swedish dvorak, so yeah.
[21:39] <Nafallo> that
[21:40] <shauno> ah!  this I didn't know
[21:42] <MartijnVdS> What's wrong with plain old qwerty
[21:43] <Nafallo> MartijnVdS: did anyone say there was? :-)
[21:43] <MartijnVdS> ah, svorak == qwerty
[21:43] <Nafallo> I spent like... 3mins on (s/d)vorak before I went back to qwerty
[21:43] <Nafallo> svorak != qwerty
[21:44] <shauno> I like dvorak, but I jump between machines far too often to make it practical
[21:44] <shauno> I have enough problems trying to use a GB keymap on a US keyboard :/
[22:13] <palnj> Lapland on BBC1 is pretty funny
[22:13]  * daubers smells of white spirits and IPA
[22:15] <AlanBell> classy
[22:16]  * AlanBell eyes up the glass of wiskey left by the fireplace
[22:17] <brobostigon> hehe :)
[22:18] <jutnux> Christmas \o/
[22:19]  * daubers has to drive lots tomorrow
[22:19] <daubers> no whiskey for me :(
[22:19] <daubers> Maybe tomorrow evening when I get home
[22:39] <palnj> jutnux: too right \o/ xmas rules
[22:53] <czajkowski> Nollaig Shona Dhuit / Merry Christmas
[22:54] <AlanBell> o/ czajkowski
[22:54] <czajkowski> AlanBell: oi oi
[22:55]  * AlanBell just got that pronounced
[22:56] <czajkowski> ahhh
[22:56] <czajkowski> :)
[22:57] <czajkowski> I'll get ye all saying stuff at some point
[22:58] <AlanBell> slainte is good
[22:58] <AlanBell> I would do the accent if I wasn't on a phone
[22:58] <czajkowski> :)
[23:06] <jutnux> I've nearly watched the whole first series of Stargate on Christmas Eve :|
[23:11] <RaycisCharles> Close call.
[23:59] <AlanBell> happy winterval \o/
[23:59] <imexil> any good suggestion to cut a ogv video file?
[23:59] <imexil> (it's xmas related ; ))