[00:01] Now off guys, have a good night. [00:01] s/night/morning ;) [00:04] night all o/ [00:04] \o [00:10] monsterwizard: y u send me dll? [00:10] oops [00:10] sorry [00:10] wrong person [00:10] very sorry [00:58] hey guys [00:58] anybody home? [00:59] Kinda [00:59] jutnux: lol [00:59] who else is here? anyone? [01:00] I couldn't change my age on google account [01:00] had to delete my YouTube to attempt it, but to no avail === gord is now known as Guest78166 [01:29] Everyone awake is nocturnal :-) [01:57] indeed [01:57] I'm reading about von neumann [01:57] the guy was insane [02:19] [Jonathan Riddell] Ageing Gracefully - http://blogs.kde.org/node/4517 [06:27] morning [07:25] \o [08:02] morning [08:59] I do love christmas. no-one calls unless they have a proper problem [09:03] How big a swap should I create if I have 16GB RAM? [09:03] as much as you like? [09:03] I always hear different things on the forums which is why I ask here [09:03] MartijnVdS: 8GB? [09:03] well swap is used for suspend-to-disk [09:03] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq [09:03] So in theory I don't actually need one at all [09:03] kvarley: ^ that has guidelines [09:04] MartijnVdS: Thanks [09:11] swap's a strange beast. I rarely go more than 10-20 meg into swap. but last time I did, I went 40GB deep [09:12] and then osx left me a little "it's not me, it's you" note, and left the building :/ [10:41] good morning everyone. [11:15] \o [11:15] o/ [11:16] I'm so glad I did my shopping earlier this week [11:16] :) [11:25] I've done all my Christmas shopping on the 24th far too often [11:33] Why did I buy this concrete house [11:33] drilling holes-- [11:35] heh [11:36] MartijnVdS: why are you drilling holes? [11:38] StevenR: I'm making a network port and fixing the cable TV point of entry [11:39] StevenR: and fibre will be terminated in the same corner of my living room :) [11:39] :) [11:40] StevenR: so it'll end up being fibre termination -> media converter (gbit ethernet) -> cupboard with patch panel -> router -> switch :) [11:41] or cable modem -> etc. if someone decides to get cable internet instead of fibre (WHY?!?!! though) [11:41] cheaponess? [11:41] ? [11:42] what do you mean? [11:42] cable is cheaper? [11:43] like.. £176 quid cheaper over the course of a year [11:46] MartijnVdS: by fibre, you mean BT-infinity style? [12:11] if it was infinity style he wouldn't need a media converter, so no. [12:12] StevenR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_x -> FttH :) [12:13] StevenR: BT Infinity is VDSL2, I already have that :) [12:13] StevenR: (well, in the Netherlands, so not BT but it's still the same technology) [12:14] +luckily ;-) [12:15] Nafallo: luckily? :) Is BT that bad/evil/wrong? [12:16] to be fair, I haven't used them. but they feel a lot like Telia back in Sweden :-P [12:16] ah the big ex-government telco? [12:16] yeah. [12:16] technically, my ISP(+employer) is part of KPN, the Dutch ex-gov telco [12:16] also, they advertise three SSIDs on their ADSL-modems. [12:17] But everything IP(v6) is "ours" so it's sane :) [12:17] by default they re-sell part of your bandwidth to people that sign up for a hot-spot. [12:17] eww [12:17] yeah. quite. [12:19] but yeah. there are other familarities. [12:20] telia split out skanova to run the cables, bt split out openreach for the same purpose... [12:20] stuff like that. [12:23] morning! [12:23] Cable as in TV cable? [12:23] Nafallo: KPN is not allowed (by the regulator, OPTA, think Ofcom) on the TV cable [12:23] fibres, coppers etc... infrastructure [12:23] ah yes [12:24] that's a bit more complex here :) === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:24] KPN owns the copper (phone) wire, the cable companies own the TV cable, but a sort-of independent spinoff owns the fibre (50-60% KPN owned) [12:25] yeah. skanova/openreach would be that spinoff, but with all teh phone/fibre cables [12:26] not sure about tv, but I suspect it's the individual providers, based on what I've seen on the streets. [12:26] morning popey [12:29] wow [12:29] +2C in Sweden [12:30] that would have been doable after all... [12:30] but .. but .. you can't go faster than c [12:30] asm [12:30] 8-) [12:35] Nafallo: are you home in sweden for christmas? :) [12:35] christel: the first part was right. not the second :-p [12:36] christel: I'm home, in London. [12:36] aww [12:37] hmm [12:37] I just checked my firefox, and was reminded of why I didn't get to sleep last night. [12:37] oh yes? [12:38] http://www.thegerbils.co.uk/contact ;-) [12:39] and before that I checked battersea cats and dogs rescue. [12:39] I need a pet or three. [12:40] aww [12:40] http://isnsfw.blogspot.com/2011/12/may-internet-bring-you-comfort.html [12:40] you can borrow my dog [12:40] she's mad [12:41] or my son, or both [12:41] * christel nods [12:41] what breed? :-) [12:42] hah. nice picture :-) [12:42] she's a staffordshire bull terrier [12:43] if you're serious about lending her... [12:44] my parents have one, and that was the breed I was eye-balling yesterday ;-) [12:47] christel: http://www.battersea.org.uk/dogs/kiya_21057.html [12:48] they have a complete section just for staffies :-/ [12:48] not sure that that is about. [12:49] all the staffies I've met has been absolutely gorgeous. [14:38] * MartijnVdS makes another time-lapse -- of the sunset === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [15:17] afternoon all [15:18] afternoonings AlanBell [15:36] MartijnVdS: all we've got is rainy rain here :( [15:58] This is going to be a beautiful (long!) time-lapse [15:59] :) [16:00] too bad the resolution of my old ixus isn't quite 4k video :) [16:00] or I'd upload that to youtube [16:02] ohwell. [16:02] Once I get my solar filter, I'll do some with my EOS 350D [16:02] that should be enough [16:03] I've done timelapses off a 400D. Yes, that's plenty :) [16:03] ok. [16:03] mgdm: \o/ gphoto :) [16:05] I used a timelapse controller I got (a clone of the official canon one, for a tenth of the price) [16:05] then a combination of ufraw and ffmpeg to make the video [16:05] mgdm: gphoto2 can take pictures on the EOS350d, I'm using ffmpeg to create the video [16:05] mgdm: but currently I'm using CHDK on an Icus [16:05] Ixus [16:06] I have that on a PowerShot A47- [16:06] 470, even [16:06] Though the last timelapse I took was with a Logitech HD webcam hooked up to an NSLU2 running OpenWRT [16:07] hmm [16:07] that might work :) [16:07] now for a night of burning up my CPU ;) [16:07] it does work, indeed :) [16:08] I wonder if my Picsio is controllable [16:08] probably not [16:15] hmm.. it's 1fps now [16:18] I did once do a TL of 10-second exposures through the ND1000 [16:18] but I can't find the videos [16:18] might've been longer than 10, actually [16:36] woo it's halfway [16:36] no [16:36] 1/3 [16:36] only took half an hour 8-) [16:41] ffmpeg now eats ~390% CPU [16:59] Wooo merry xmas everyone [16:59] What a wonderful christmas morning this is [17:00] WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [17:00] HOW ARE YOU YOOOOOOO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [17:01] it is 5pm on the 24th, tmrw, is 7 hours away, untill the morning of the 25th. [17:01] he might be in a different time zone :) [17:01] Hurray [17:01] 16:59:44 -!- Thrawn [Thrawn@94-195-174-233.zone9.bethere.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-uk [17:01] No its 5pm here too but I just woke up [17:01] is in the uk. [17:01] Scotland, soon to be the republic of thank you very much [17:02] ok. [17:02] How do you get that ip address thing, you're obviously very good at ls; sudo apt get -bla bla nmap things stuff [17:03] ?? [17:03] Thrawn: /whois [17:03] or indeed, looking at the join message [17:03] is taylorworld an isp? [17:03] Thrawn: that is my domain. [17:04] How come my ip address gets broadcasted but yours doesn't [17:04] Thrawn: you can easily work out my ip from my domain, [17:05] Thrawn: afterall, every domain resolves back to an ip. [17:05] nmap? [17:06] tracerout? [17:06] ping? [17:06] think logically, which is most basic. [17:06] ?? [17:07] Thrawn: but why would you want to know my ip anyway? [17:07] I've only been using ubuntu a while, I install things with debian [17:07] Thrawn: the tools in debian and ubuntu are exactly the same, [17:07] I don't anymore, I was just jealous that you could find mine but I couldn't find yorus [17:07] debian package installer I should say [17:08] I keep failing with sudo make [17:08] Thrawn: ubuntu has apt and aptitude and dpkg, just like debian. [17:09] :( I think I'm scared I think I'll just pay bill gates lots of money and buy Windows 7 [17:10] Actually I won't I'll just download this hacked copy off thepiratebay.org through transmission [17:10] Can I VMware it? [17:11] Thrawn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup that is what i have setup on my dns, for it to resolve the way it is. [17:54] brobostigon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdC4aUuHEk [17:54] mgdm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYdC4aUuHEk [17:55] [17:56] 0 AD is a silly name for a game, but it looks like it might be quite good. [17:56] 0 AD never existed [17:57] MartijnVdS: precisely :) [17:57] Wildfire appear to be making a game for linux with this name. [17:57] MartijnVdS: impressive. :) [17:57] brobostigon: I only turned it off because it was flashing lights at me.. but it was still working [17:58] brobostigon: I think it was trying to tell me it was <50% battery or <50% disk [17:58] What did you use to make the timelapse, MartijnVdS? [17:58] dwatkins: CHDK on my Ixus [17:58] dwatkins: + a Lua script [17:58] groovy [18:00] dwatkins: I'm planning on doing one with my EOS (+ gphoto2) soonish [18:00] I plan on setting up an IR webcam [18:00] with motion trigger? [18:01] not sure yet, hopefully [18:01] hey guys [18:01] It would be a nice project for a Raspberry Pi ;) [18:01] This laptop is tempting me... http://www.nerdilicio.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/gscreen-spacebook-17-dual-screen-laptop-web-red-blk-1050-010.jpg [18:01] hi palnj [18:01] dwatkins: oooh! good one [18:01] dwatkins: thx [18:01] whats being said round here? [18:01] Azelphur: No. It's not. [18:01] Azelphur: it's UG-LEH [18:02] YOUR UG-LEH. [18:02] palnj: I made a time-lapse video [18:02] an IR webcam? didnt know they had such things [18:02] Azelphur: my ug-leh what? :P [18:02] MartijnVdS: it's awesome, dual screen laptop is certainly interesting :P [18:02] Azelphur: if it were seamless, sure [18:02] Azelphur: but with the large black bar.. no [18:02] palnj: yeah, you used to have to take the IR filter out and make your own IR lighting array, now you can buy them ready-built with pan/tilt [18:02] MartijnVdS: the black bar is quite small [18:02] Azelphur: it does look kind of awful [18:02] Azelphur: it's not width 0 [18:02] no bigger than on any standard dual screen config? [18:03] dwatkins: ah. cool! [18:03] Azelphur: Hence my hate of dual screens :) [18:03] well [18:03] strong dislike [18:03] haha [18:03] * dwatkins orders a bitbeam stand because they look cool [18:03] MartijnVdS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y286GD_OVM&t=1m15s :P [18:04] i thought you would have taken the IR camera out of a Wiimote and stuck it in a case to plug in via USB :P [18:04] I imagine the ones in a Wiimote are standard webcams with a different filter [18:05] nothing so complex [18:06] all CCDs are sensitive to IR [18:06] Azelphur: the SpaceBook has a good use, it just needs to be aesphetically pleasing aswell :D [18:06] in fact they are more sensitive to IR than everything else [18:07] *shrug* [18:07] palnj: I've just been wandering around trying to find someone actually doing something interesting with laptops [18:07] they all seem to look 'boring', and have no special/interesting features now days. [18:07] Azlephur, true, but everyone is always accustomed the the orthodox norm nowadays [18:08] one of the major reasons people are afraid to try things like Linux ;) [18:08] but i appreciate his nerve to try and produce this [18:09] I'm still using my old XPS M1730, it seems like it's almost the last laptop to actually try something cool/vaguely new [18:09] Azelphur: There is a Thinkpad varient that has dual screen [18:10] fun [18:10] doesn't seem as impressive as the gscreen though, the hardware is much lower and the price much higher [18:10] * dwatkins donates to Wikipedia, finally pushed over the edge by their protests about SOPA [18:11] gimmicks cost money [18:11] idd [18:11] http://www.hothardware.com/newsimages/item6966/big_rig_lit1.jpg I paid £500 for this, it's my current laptop [18:11] it has plenty of awesome gimmicky things. [18:11] does it come with a dolly to move it around? [18:12] youch, are those break lights? [18:12] glossy screen :( [18:12] nice reflections [18:12] penguin42: haha, they are RGB so you can change them (or turn them off), I set mine to blue. [18:12] ali1234: mines matte [18:13] are there they media buttons right where your wrist hits the frame? [18:14] ali1234: gimmicks? [18:14] altho I guess that's less of a problem when the touchpad is so small you'd never consider using it [18:15] shauno: your judging it based on it being a small laptop, it's not [18:15] your hands never go near those media controls, your arms rest over the speakers [18:15] and the touchpad is very nice, and very big. [18:15] that's a big touchpad? what is it, a 27" screen? [18:16] shauno: the touchpad isn't small, the laptop is huge [18:16] ^ that [18:17] from that angle, it looks like it's about the same size as 3x2 keys on the keyboard [18:17] shauno: there ya go, http://media.photobucket.com/image/M1730/professionalmods/M1730%20-4/SNC00208.jpg a good idea of the size of it [18:17] compared to some CD's :P [18:18] you can bash it for being too big or too heavy, that's fine :p [18:18] at 5kg it probably weighs more than my computer [18:18] haha :D [18:19] ali1234: that's probably minus the power supply which is alarmingly close size wise to my netbook. [18:19] you should build your own laptop [18:19] I keep getting tempted [18:19] get a desktop case, flatscreen monitor, and a door hinge [18:19] * penguin42 hands ali1234 a UPS and a small case - probably smaller than that one [18:20] ali1234: hahaha [18:20] ali1234: I was tempted to do that with a mini itx setup === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [18:21] [Tony] The most wonderful time of the year - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/12/24/the-most-wonderful-time-of-the-year/ [19:06] hello [19:08] Merry xmas [19:11] merry christmas [19:26] ho, ho ho! [19:26] santa here [19:26] have we all been good boys and girls this year? [19:26] Santa, I need a miracle [19:27] Can my girlfriend have an ipad keyoard? [19:27] She doesn't like the ar drone parrot I got her [19:29] Thrawn, I am the FLOSS santa, so no [19:30] anyway, trying to get round all the channels by midnight, so have a good gnumas and a flossy new year! [19:52] hey [19:53] hi [19:53] merry christmas [19:53] zleap: thx ;) [19:54] anyone else talking here? [19:54] not too busy here [19:54] i am [19:54] waiting for my dvd authoring software to finish [19:55] lol cool [19:55] i guess :/ [19:55] well i gave up with what i was doing yesterday so just gone for the star trek episodes in 1 file, I am going to do the others again after downloading complete episodes rather than the two episodes that have been split up [19:58] so what you up to [19:59] I downloaded the 46gig babylon 5 complete series+films took a week and a bit [19:59] does anyone here play open arena ? [19:59] What's that? [19:59] nice [19:59] nm, just signing the Ubuntu CoC atm, then pulling an all-nighter so i can open my xmas presents extra-early :P [19:59] game using the quake 3 engine [20:00] palnj, good plan :) [20:00] so you run around shooting people [20:00] and collect stuff like more guns, etc [20:00] * zleap hands palnj a stack of coke cans for caffine [20:00] weather-man: "I'm afraid I won't be saying the 'S' word for tomorrow's forecast..." [20:00] is that santa by any chance? [20:01] snow i would guess [20:01] * palnj informs zleap that caffeine does him no good [20:01] ok [20:01] zleap: duh its snow, but i bet tons of kids that saw that are thinking that santa isnt coming now :P [20:01] lol [20:02] Google has this track Santa thing [20:02] i've never been on it 'til this year [20:02] it's kinda rubbish [20:05] maybe younger kids may like it [20:05] hi exobuzz [20:09] hi [20:11] how are you [20:17] palnj: it's a NORAD recruiting tool designed to brainwash 5-year-olds. [20:17] Beware... [20:18] RaycisCharles: lol what do NORAD do anyways? :S [20:18] yay http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/interviews/a354678/dizzy-prince-of-the-yolkfolk-interview-how-the-comeback-happened.html [20:19] north american airdefence [20:19] er i think they co-ordianate defences in case of WWIII, hence theyare in side that bunker (if you watch wargames the are anyway) [20:20] palnj: air missile defence, I think. [20:20] zleap: Apparently the real bunker is much smaller [20:20] zleap: it's a cover for Stargate Command. [20:20] RaycisCharles: maybe the track santa thing is real then, so they know where he is and dont accidentally release a misslie that kills the big red guy [20:20] that would be a shame [20:21] I think it's NORAD's job to prevent Iran downing Santa with a scud. [20:21] RaycisCharles: lol possibly [20:21] There are like 8 Christians left in Iran - they need presents too. [20:22] i was watching a program on tv the other day about christians in the middle east [20:22] well it was a lords debate on it, quite interesting [20:31] hat does the Queen do after Christmas lunch? [20:31] What* [20:31] Masconomet: make love to Prince Philip in hospital [20:31] well she used to do the queens speech but as this is no longer live, dunno [20:31] or is he out of there now? [20:32] not yet, still in so they keep an eye on him i guess [20:32] zleap: aw, i hate it when everything's about the royal family [20:33] BBC news doesn't do reports on other 90 year olds needing heart operations [20:33] unless they are famous [20:33] that's why fame irritates me [20:33] i wouldn't mind being famous or not [20:33] i find the news keeps being dominated by 1 or 2 stories [20:33] i mean...i'd like to be famous [20:33] but i wouldnt mind [20:34] zleap: oh so true [20:34] if you want proper news go for russia today or al jazera (or what ever its called) [20:34] Indian news channels are worse [20:34] they go to church in the morning, definitely [20:34] St Mary Magdalene, in Sandringham [20:34] they repeat the /exact/ same things [20:34] But they've furnished us with remarkable details, I have to say, the Royal Family. [20:34] royal tradition [20:34] as in recorder and played back every so often [20:34] Anyways, to cut it short the answer is: She goes into the saloon and watches herself on television [20:34] *recorded [20:35] Masconomet: i like that assumption [20:35] Al Jazeera [20:35] maybe a bit of knitting with a corgi on her lap [20:35] yeah [20:35] or watch tv [20:35] penguin42: loooooooooooooooooooooools [20:35] On Christmas Eve, right, they gather in the white drawing room at Sandringham, around a twenty foot Christmas tree cut from the Sandringham estate. It's decorated by the Queen herself. at 5 pm, the whole family has a cup of Earl Grey, except the Queen, who has her own Indian blend. [20:35] zleap: apparently the Queen watches the One Show [20:36] And then they have sandwiches, cakes, and scones. [20:36] ah [20:36] At 6 pm, they open presents [20:36] in the evening [20:36] Masconomet: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooools again [20:36] This is Christmas Eve, remember. Why do they open presents on Christmas Eve? [20:36] Becuase they are all fucking Germans! [20:36] So there you are [20:36] cos they have to be out early on xmas day to go to church suppose [20:37] I bet the Queen wants a new corgi for Christmas [20:37] The queen gives the signal. they give each other practical presents, it turns out. [20:37] Oh dear [20:37] the Queen is said to have been "delighted with a casserole dish and a gift-wrapped washing-up apron [20:37] you think it's one of those ones with tits on the front? [20:38] (leading quote missing) [20:38] i suppose she would give the apron to the kitchen people that do it [20:38] Masconomet: loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooools again [20:38] * palnj will actually die of laughter if Masconomet pulls another funny [20:38] Anyway, Prince Philip then serves port or brandy to the male members of the Royal Family [20:38] Its tradition. [20:38] Tribal stuff [20:39] Then she browses around the web for the latest stuffin the sales [20:39] Masconomet: yes we all know that part [20:39] well as he is in hospital that could be difficult [20:39] that's boring, even for a 90 year-old Duke [20:39] If I told you this about some Aboriginal tribe, you'd say "ohh, thats interesting" [20:39] * palnj just died of laughter [20:39]