| MarkDude | akk, you ok with your pics from release party being included in Fedora Foundations video? | 18:18 |
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| akk | Sure, MarkDude | 18:19 |
| MarkDude | I know D is ok with it, and assume you are also | 18:19 |
| MarkDude | :) | 18:19 |
| MarkDude | Cool | 18:19 |
| MarkDude | I had another question | 18:19 |
| MarkDude | WHAT would be the most helpful thing for GIMP, as far as progressing the project? | 18:20 |
| MarkDude | Volunteers? | 18:20 |
| MarkDude | I see GIMP as one of the last great needs of FOSS | 18:20 |
| akk | It needs volunteers -- but volunteering is tricky. As with a lot of projects, there are lots of rules about what can/can't be done | 18:20 |
| akk | and who can get involved where | 18:20 |
| akk | (much like ubuntu or any big project). | 18:21 |
| MarkDude | IS there any effort from say Ubuntu and Fedora and others? | 18:21 |
| akk | effort from the distros to contribute to gimp? No. | 18:21 |
| MarkDude | I mean, most Distros should see GIMP as needed to be helped | 18:21 |
| MarkDude | Not to be evil, but I have been using CS5 | 18:22 |
| akk | I get the impression ubuntu sees gimp as sort of an annoyance (dropping it from the release). Not sure about fedora. | 18:22 |
| MarkDude | The program is great (and evil) | 18:22 |
| MarkDude | Well Fedora could get behind it more | 18:22 |
| pleia2 | it's a huge annoyance to new uses who go to support forums to complain about how hard it is to use | 18:23 |
| MarkDude | I figure Ubuntu could get into an easier to use, more streamlined version | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | s/uses/users | 18:23 |
| pleia2 | "normal" people want MS Paint, not Photoshop :\ | 18:23 |
| akk | Unfortunately, anything that involves changing the UI in any way is a huge pile of worms and it's not likely someone new to the project would change anything. | 18:23 |
| akk | True enough, pleia2 -- gimp (and PS too) are advanced tools, and very hard for a beginner to use. | 18:24 |
| akk | MarkDude: This would actually be a relatively good time for new developers to get involved with gimp. | 18:25 |
| akk | MarkDude: For a long time the project was kind of hostile, but most of that element has moved on. | 18:25 |
| akk | (It's still intimidating and full of rules, not something I'd recommend to a newbie, but an experienced dev could get involved without getting insulted or abused much.) | 18:26 |
| MarkDude | Cool | 18:29 |
| * MarkDude sees this as sumthin' that goes beyond any one Distro | 18:30 | |
| MarkDude | pleia2, normal folks want sumthin like maint.net | 18:30 |
| MarkDude | MS paint is horrible | 18:30 |
| MarkDude | I think they allow jpgs now, but defaults to bmp | 18:31 |
| MarkDude | paint.net | 18:31 |
| akk | I've been hearing a lot about mypaint, keep meaning to try it. | 18:31 |
| akk | It's apparently pretty easy to get started with. | 18:31 |
| MarkDude | the underlying structure and parts of GIMP could be used for sumthin slightly powerful | 18:31 |
| MarkDude | People could get into simple *actions* onb GIMP | 18:32 |
| MarkDude | if they had them | 18:32 |
| MarkDude | Filters where you hit PLAY, and then fine tune | 18:32 |
| akk | That will supposedly become easier as gegl becomes more integrated | 18:33 |
| akk | though someone already made a plug-in even without gegl that does that | 18:33 |
| akk | but apparently it requires a lot of maintenance, because its list of actions isn't automatically generated from the gimp src. | 18:33 |
| akk | That's another thing I've been wanting to look into. | 18:34 |
| MarkDude | Ok, thats why I asked you | 18:34 |
| akk | You can already write scripts (and could easily make a gui for it) to play gegl actions ... but mentally mapping gimp operations to gegl actions isn't something people quite grok yet (including me, must remedy that soon). | 18:35 |
| akk | I expect I'll be learning a lot more about that over the next 6 months (3rd edition probably actually happening!) | 18:35 |
| akk | and giving talks on gegl scripting next year. | 18:35 |
| MarkDude | Ok, so high on the list would be mapping *or creating represntation * of gegl? | 18:39 |
| MarkDude | To help see it, then the loose ends would more likely be able to be addressed | 18:39 |
| philipballew | pleia2, pm for a quick question? | 18:40 |
| akk | MarkDude: Actually, yes, that would probably be a good place for someone to get involved. | 18:40 |
| akk | MarkDude: It could be done at least mostly as a plug-in, so it wouldn't need a lot of buy-in from the gimp core planners. | 18:41 |
| MarkDude | So GIMP forums would be the place to go? | 18:41 |
| akk | MarkDude: And the gegl dev (pippin) is in favor of tools like that. | 18:41 |
| akk | MarkDude: yes, #gimp and/or #gegl on gimpnet -- probably start with #gimp. | 18:41 |
| akk | During European hours. | 18:41 |
| MarkDude | Ah, makes sense | 18:41 |
| * MarkDude just sees there are so many great parts and pieces with GIMP | 18:42 | |
| MarkDude | and it still does some really cool stuff that even CS5 does not | 18:42 |
| MarkDude | I had a friend tell me I would burn in hell for using CS5 | 18:43 |
| MarkDude | :D | 18:43 |
| MarkDude | They are maybe correct. At least my using Win 7 could do that | 18:43 |
| akk | That might be a little extreme. :) | 18:44 |
| MarkDude | lol | 18:50 |
| MarkDude | Take a look at some of the zombie pics later, if you could | 18:50 |
| MarkDude | I am getting mixed reviews | 18:50 |
| MarkDude | hmmm, I did not have you on comic list on FB, added you. I can remove you if you like | 18:51 |
| MarkDude | pleia2, opted out of that list. UW folks are interested about 50% of the time | 18:52 |
| pleia2 | philipballew: sure | 18:57 |
| akk | I never see FB lists anyway ... never figured out how those work. | 18:59 |
| MarkDude | akk, they are awesome | 18:59 |
| akk | I stopped having time to check FB and G+ when I started the ML class | 18:59 |
| * MarkDude realized only a few people cared about Jono and his metal | 18:59 | |
| akk | and now it's over but I have tons of other stuff to do (fun hacking projects) | 18:59 |
| MarkDude | So I created a rock list | 19:00 |
| MarkDude | and post loud music to that | 19:00 |
| MarkDude | I have a comic list, since go figure, some folks dont want to see zombie stuff | 19:00 |
| MarkDude | I also have a short list of people that I care most about their updates | 19:01 |
| MarkDude | A list like that for you would be good | 19:01 |
| * akk needs to get her head out of this interesting HTML simplification project and back to work on my cool SCALE demo | 19:01 | |
| MarkDude | We care most about just a few people | 19:01 |
| akk | These FB lists basically just control who sees your updates, and then people see them if they're regularly checking their FB streams? | 19:01 |
| MarkDude | making HTML simple? Whats your demo | 19:02 |
| MarkDude | well lists are two fold | 19:02 |
| MarkDude | I use it mostly to publish to specific people | 19:02 |
| * MarkDude overshares, and people complained | 19:02 | |
| akk | MarkDude: My demo involves a cool robot project controlled from my laptop, and I don't want to go into too much detail ahead of time | 19:02 |
| MarkDude | I do have 2-3 lists of people that are most interesting | 19:03 |
| akk | I hope to demo it live at my SCALE talk (Sunday afternoon) assuming I can get it working reliably enough. | 19:03 |
| MarkDude | a tech list | 19:03 |
| MarkDude | just my tech friends | 19:03 |
| MarkDude | They usually dont have crapville requests | 19:03 |
| MarkDude | Which, by blocking most apps, my feede is now sorta useful | 19:03 |
| akk | I always blocked apps. But it's still a hassle to have to go there several times a day, and try to remember which updates I've seen before and which I haven't. | 19:06 |
| akk | It's a very inefficient model for keeping up with anyone, and I found it took too much time. | 19:06 |
| MarkDude | true | 19:07 |
| MarkDude | if you had a tech list, close friend list, and maybe one more | 19:07 |
| MarkDude | for family | 19:07 |
| MarkDude | Just dont have people on two or more lists | 19:07 |
| MarkDude | You dont see the same stuff | 19:08 |
| akk | Maybe they've finally changed that. They used to show things out of order, so every time I checked, there would be some new stuff and some old stuff. | 19:08 |
| MarkDude | I check my family list every so often, and dont miss stuff, and dont see the same stuff again | 19:08 |
| akk | They'd try to bubble "popular" things and things that had recent replies up higher in the list. | 19:08 |
| MarkDude | with good lists | 19:08 |
| MarkDude | Yes, it places us FB whores on top of feed | 19:09 |
| akk | If I checked once a day on every web forum (incl. FB and G+) that interests me, I'd do nothing else but check websites. | 19:09 |
| MarkDude | Not so good, just because all sorts of idiots wrote about it- does NOT make it interesting | 19:09 |
| akk | I wish it had a push model, where it would just send me the new stuff since the last update. | 19:09 |
| akk | You know, like email. :) | 19:09 |
| MarkDude | When you have recent 1st checked | 19:09 |
| MarkDude | you can do that, I can check the interersting stuff in a few minutes, with lists | 19:10 |
| * MarkDude will wroite a post on this, FB is more useful for me now | 19:11 | |
| akk | I'd like to read your post (please announce it somewhere other than FB, so people who need to read it will see it :) | 19:11 |
| MarkDude | lol | 19:12 |
| MarkDude | I can do that | 19:12 |
| MarkDude | https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150472335118805&set=a.10150389370018805.376793.717333804&type=3&theater | 19:12 |
| MarkDude | Zombies | 19:13 |
| akk | will try to remember to look later ... not sure I even have my FB profile set up on this machine | 19:13 |
| MarkDude | And not gross ones either, I had a few folks complain, mine are old skool mind control zombies, like with voodoo | 19:13 |
| akk | and that's members only, can't see it w/o a FB account | 19:13 |
| MarkDude | Yep, well some folks prefer to not see them. | 19:13 |
| MarkDude | I am putting some on picasa to make it easier | 19:14 |
| MarkDude | oh, before I go, I salute your soon-to-be supybot overlord you are making | 19:15 |
| MarkDude | :D | 19:15 |
| MarkDude | akk, did any of your berries get killed by frost? | 20:06 |
| MarkDude | One of my plants did, the rest are fine | 20:07 |
| MarkDude | One had the tips die | 20:07 |
| akk | Not sure yet -- it was okay (a little brown) when I left. | 20:07 |
| akk | I gave it a lot of water beforehand, hoping that helps (supposedly it does). | 20:08 |
| MarkDude | Yep , I think the one that died lacked water before | 20:16 |
| MarkDude | So it was not happy | 20:16 |
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