[18:18] akk, you ok with your pics from release party being included in Fedora Foundations video? [18:19] Sure, MarkDude [18:19] I know D is ok with it, and assume you are also [18:19] :) [18:19] Cool [18:19] I had another question [18:20] WHAT would be the most helpful thing for GIMP, as far as progressing the project? [18:20] Volunteers? [18:20] I see GIMP as one of the last great needs of FOSS [18:20] It needs volunteers -- but volunteering is tricky. As with a lot of projects, there are lots of rules about what can/can't be done [18:20] and who can get involved where [18:21] (much like ubuntu or any big project). [18:21] IS there any effort from say Ubuntu and Fedora and others? [18:21] effort from the distros to contribute to gimp? No. [18:21] I mean, most Distros should see GIMP as needed to be helped [18:22] Not to be evil, but I have been using CS5 [18:22] I get the impression ubuntu sees gimp as sort of an annoyance (dropping it from the release). Not sure about fedora. [18:22] The program is great (and evil) [18:22] Well Fedora could get behind it more [18:23] it's a huge annoyance to new uses who go to support forums to complain about how hard it is to use [18:23] I figure Ubuntu could get into an easier to use, more streamlined version [18:23] s/uses/users [18:23] "normal" people want MS Paint, not Photoshop :\ [18:23] Unfortunately, anything that involves changing the UI in any way is a huge pile of worms and it's not likely someone new to the project would change anything. [18:24] True enough, pleia2 -- gimp (and PS too) are advanced tools, and very hard for a beginner to use. [18:25] MarkDude: This would actually be a relatively good time for new developers to get involved with gimp. [18:25] MarkDude: For a long time the project was kind of hostile, but most of that element has moved on. [18:26] (It's still intimidating and full of rules, not something I'd recommend to a newbie, but an experienced dev could get involved without getting insulted or abused much.) [18:29] Cool [18:30] * MarkDude sees this as sumthin' that goes beyond any one Distro [18:30] pleia2, normal folks want sumthin like maint.net [18:30] MS paint is horrible [18:31] I think they allow jpgs now, but defaults to bmp [18:31] paint.net [18:31] I've been hearing a lot about mypaint, keep meaning to try it. [18:31] It's apparently pretty easy to get started with. [18:31] the underlying structure and parts of GIMP could be used for sumthin slightly powerful [18:32] People could get into simple *actions* onb GIMP [18:32] if they had them [18:32] Filters where you hit PLAY, and then fine tune [18:33] That will supposedly become easier as gegl becomes more integrated [18:33] though someone already made a plug-in even without gegl that does that [18:33] but apparently it requires a lot of maintenance, because its list of actions isn't automatically generated from the gimp src. [18:34] That's another thing I've been wanting to look into. [18:34] Ok, thats why I asked you [18:35] You can already write scripts (and could easily make a gui for it) to play gegl actions ... but mentally mapping gimp operations to gegl actions isn't something people quite grok yet (including me, must remedy that soon). [18:35] I expect I'll be learning a lot more about that over the next 6 months (3rd edition probably actually happening!) [18:35] and giving talks on gegl scripting next year. [18:39] Ok, so high on the list would be mapping *or creating represntation * of gegl? [18:39] To help see it, then the loose ends would more likely be able to be addressed [18:40] pleia2, pm for a quick question? [18:40] MarkDude: Actually, yes, that would probably be a good place for someone to get involved. [18:41] MarkDude: It could be done at least mostly as a plug-in, so it wouldn't need a lot of buy-in from the gimp core planners. [18:41] So GIMP forums would be the place to go? [18:41] MarkDude: And the gegl dev (pippin) is in favor of tools like that. [18:41] MarkDude: yes, #gimp and/or #gegl on gimpnet -- probably start with #gimp. [18:41] During European hours. [18:41] Ah, makes sense [18:42] * MarkDude just sees there are so many great parts and pieces with GIMP [18:42] and it still does some really cool stuff that even CS5 does not [18:43] I had a friend tell me I would burn in hell for using CS5 [18:43] :D [18:43] They are maybe correct. At least my using Win 7 could do that [18:44] That might be a little extreme. :) [18:50] lol [18:50] Take a look at some of the zombie pics later, if you could [18:50] I am getting mixed reviews [18:51] hmmm, I did not have you on comic list on FB, added you. I can remove you if you like [18:52] pleia2, opted out of that list. UW folks are interested about 50% of the time [18:57] philipballew: sure [18:59] I never see FB lists anyway ... never figured out how those work. [18:59] akk, they are awesome [18:59] I stopped having time to check FB and G+ when I started the ML class [18:59] * MarkDude realized only a few people cared about Jono and his metal [18:59] and now it's over but I have tons of other stuff to do (fun hacking projects) [19:00] So I created a rock list [19:00] and post loud music to that [19:00] I have a comic list, since go figure, some folks dont want to see zombie stuff [19:01] I also have a short list of people that I care most about their updates [19:01] A list like that for you would be good [19:01] * akk needs to get her head out of this interesting HTML simplification project and back to work on my cool SCALE demo [19:01] We care most about just a few people [19:01] These FB lists basically just control who sees your updates, and then people see them if they're regularly checking their FB streams? [19:02] making HTML simple? Whats your demo [19:02] well lists are two fold [19:02] I use it mostly to publish to specific people [19:02] * MarkDude overshares, and people complained [19:02] MarkDude: My demo involves a cool robot project controlled from my laptop, and I don't want to go into too much detail ahead of time [19:03] I do have 2-3 lists of people that are most interesting [19:03] I hope to demo it live at my SCALE talk (Sunday afternoon) assuming I can get it working reliably enough. [19:03] a tech list [19:03] just my tech friends [19:03] They usually dont have crapville requests [19:03] Which, by blocking most apps, my feede is now sorta useful [19:06] I always blocked apps. But it's still a hassle to have to go there several times a day, and try to remember which updates I've seen before and which I haven't. [19:06] It's a very inefficient model for keeping up with anyone, and I found it took too much time. [19:07] true [19:07] if you had a tech list, close friend list, and maybe one more [19:07] for family [19:07] Just dont have people on two or more lists [19:08] You dont see the same stuff [19:08] Maybe they've finally changed that. They used to show things out of order, so every time I checked, there would be some new stuff and some old stuff. [19:08] I check my family list every so often, and dont miss stuff, and dont see the same stuff again [19:08] They'd try to bubble "popular" things and things that had recent replies up higher in the list. [19:08] with good lists [19:09] Yes, it places us FB whores on top of feed [19:09] If I checked once a day on every web forum (incl. FB and G+) that interests me, I'd do nothing else but check websites. [19:09] Not so good, just because all sorts of idiots wrote about it- does NOT make it interesting [19:09] I wish it had a push model, where it would just send me the new stuff since the last update. [19:09] You know, like email. :) [19:09] When you have recent 1st checked [19:10] you can do that, I can check the interersting stuff in a few minutes, with lists [19:11] * MarkDude will wroite a post on this, FB is more useful for me now [19:11] I'd like to read your post (please announce it somewhere other than FB, so people who need to read it will see it :) [19:12] lol [19:12] I can do that [19:12] https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150472335118805&set=a.10150389370018805.376793.717333804&type=3&theater [19:13] Zombies [19:13] will try to remember to look later ... not sure I even have my FB profile set up on this machine [19:13] And not gross ones either, I had a few folks complain, mine are old skool mind control zombies, like with voodoo [19:13] and that's members only, can't see it w/o a FB account [19:13] Yep, well some folks prefer to not see them. [19:14] I am putting some on picasa to make it easier [19:15] oh, before I go, I salute your soon-to-be supybot overlord you are making [19:15] :D [20:06] akk, did any of your berries get killed by frost? [20:07] One of my plants did, the rest are fine [20:07] One had the tips die [20:07] Not sure yet -- it was okay (a little brown) when I left. [20:08] I gave it a lot of water beforehand, hoping that helps (supposedly it does). [20:16] Yep , I think the one that died lacked water before [20:16] So it was not happy