[04:36] <jmcardle> hey
[04:38] <mysteriousdarren> hi
[04:39] <jmcardle> how is your xmas eve going?
[04:39] <jmcardle> (or xmas, depending on time zone)
[04:39] <mysteriousdarren> good, spent time with close family the whole crowd is coming tom wbu?
[04:41] <jmcardle> good. spending it with my partner's family :) we're both in bed now, on our separate laptops
[04:48] <Santa_Claus> ho ho ho
[04:50] <mysteriousdarren> Jacky keeps playing games haha
[04:50] <Santa_Claus> :P
[04:51] <Santa_Claus> Ho ho ho; merry Christmas!
[04:51] <Santa_Claus> mysteriousdarren's been a very good boy.
[04:51] <Santa_Claus> Sounds like someone'd like a quad-core Intel Sandy Bridge with 8GB LM tonight :)
[04:52] <mysteriousdarren> thanks JackyAlcine!
[04:52] <mysteriousdarren> jk
[04:52] <jmcardle> :o Santa's identity revealed. Appears on TMZ tomorrow, replete with photos of Santa going shopping at a local mall.
[04:56] <mysteriousdarren> ya that would be sad
[14:56] <falcon_> need to understand something. with these different distros. am using 11.04 want to upgrade to 11.10. am i going to get all the extra packages that you get with an ubuntu 11.10 download or is it just upgrading the kernel. because i don't want the weight of a heavy package
[15:00] <falcon_> also when i was trying to upgrade (which i cancelled and had to reinstall lubuntu 11.04) it said it would take 5 hours for the upgrade. but yet you can download ubuntu 11.10  and install in much less time. but i don't want the heavy distro just the kernel upgrade
[15:02] <falcon_> part of my message got cut off. i was saying that it would take 5 hours for the upgrade
[15:05] <falcon_> with lubuntu is it a full package with just lxde desktop? and if so is it the same thing as downloading ubuntu 11.10 and then downloading the lxde desktop to use with it
[15:05] <iceroot> falcon_: there is no difference when upgrading from 11.04 to 11.10 instead of installing 11.10 directly
[15:06] <iceroot> falcon_: yes its the same, installing ubuntu and then lubuntu-desktop will get the samw packages as installing lubuntu directly
[15:06] <falcon_> why does it take so long to upgrade?
[15:06] <iceroot> falcon_: slow internet-speed, low cpu speed
[15:06] <iceroot> falcon_: and why you need a kernel upgrade?
[15:09] <falcon_> was wondering if maybe new software might not work with older kernel
[15:09] <iceroot> falcon_: no
[15:09] <falcon_> haven't run into problems yet but thats why i thought you upgrade
[15:10] <iceroot> falcon_: i am sure you will never find a software which requeires qare higher kernel
[15:11] <falcon_> would like to run lubuntu off of flash drive for speed but want to save files to hard drive do you know how to accomplish this
[15:11] <iceroot> falcon_: put / on the ss and /home on the hdd
[15:12] <iceroot> ssd
[15:15] <falcon_> would like to take out prompt for password everytime i want to download
[15:15] <iceroot> falcon_: ?
[15:15] <iceroot> falcon_: what is asking for a password?
[15:16] <falcon_> i get prompted for user password when i want to download packages
[15:16] <iceroot> falcon_: packages like *.deb?
[15:17] <falcon_> anything from synaptic package manager
[15:17] <iceroot> falcon_: so you are talking about synaptic and not a browser
[15:17] <falcon_> correct
[15:17] <iceroot> falcon_: that is normal and should NOT be changed
[15:18] <iceroot> falcon_: because synaptic needs to act as root
[15:18] <iceroot> falcon_: and for that its using sudo/gksudo
[15:18] <iceroot> !sudo | falcon_
[15:18] <falcon_> thanx for the links
[17:13] <falcon_> what is the best way to shut down computer when it freezes?
[17:13] <holstein> falcon_: if you can get to tty and sudo shutdown -h now
[17:14] <holstein> if its frozen though, its frozen... if its something im troubleshooting, i'll typically unplug the hard drive, and try to do as much as i can with a live CD... then pulling the power cant hurt anything
[17:15] <falcon_> did a computer shutdown by holding down powerbutton down could not boot to disk on powerup
[17:15] <falcon_> do i need to flash my bios
[17:16] <falcon_> i am presently able to boot using fn + f12 on post screen
[17:17] <falcon_> if i just poweron without that i get error exiting pxe-rom boot disk required
[17:19] <falcon_> using acer aspire one d255 netbook. went to acer website for file aig32.zip to flash bios couldn't find it . other websites that have it want you to sign up to their downloader
[17:21] <falcon_> do you know how to open these acer laptops tried it it's messy
[17:23] <falcon_> disk utility is giving me a warning "drive failure imminent" says something about reallocated
[17:24] <falcon_> could i still run this thing off an external drive without the internal hdd
[17:26] <falcon_> do you know how to use a usb product as a 2nd monitor
[17:31] <falcon_> lubuntu 11.04 how do i change background color
[17:33] <falcon_> can i download 11.10 to same partition
[17:33] <hyperair> let's do this one question at a time, and in full sentences.
[17:33] <hyperair> your first question: "did a computer shutdown by holding powerbutton down could not boot to disk on powerup do i need to flash my bios"
[17:34] <hyperair> i'm assuming you held your power button down to force-shutdown your computer, and following that, you can no longer boot to disk on powerup.
[17:34] <falcon_> correct
[17:34] <hyperair> i think we can rule out flashing the bios
[17:35] <hyperair> if your bios was borked, you would not be able to boot using fn+f12
[17:35] <hyperair> i'm assuming that fn+f12 = boot device menu
[17:35] <falcon_> no. hold fn down while repeatedly hit f12 on post
[17:35] <hyperair> yes, i know
[17:36] <hyperair> but if your bios was borked, you wouldn't be able to POST
[17:36] <hyperair> f12 is the boot device menu, right?
[17:36] <falcon_> i don't go into menu it just boots up normally from there
[17:36] <hyperair> huh?
[17:36] <hyperair> what is fn+f12 supposed to do on your laptop?
[17:36] <hyperair> on mine it shows the boot device menu
[17:37] <falcon_> i don't know i was playing around with combos and it worked
[17:37]  * hyperair facepalms
[17:37] <hyperair> so it succeeds in booting up?
[17:37] <falcon_> yes, but i would like it to normally without this
[17:38] <hyperair> so.... you just hold fn and pummel the f12 key at POST, and it just... boots up.
[17:38] <hyperair> with no interventino?
[17:38] <hyperair> no selection of things from a menu or anything?
[17:38] <hyperair> what do you see before it enters the lubuntu splash?
[17:39] <falcon_> correct
[17:39] <falcon_> nothing
[17:39] <hyperair> this is very weird.]
[17:39] <hyperair> well what model is yourl aptop?
[17:39] <hyperair> oh acer aspire one
[17:39] <falcon_> acer aspire one d255
[17:40] <hyperair> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne <-- judging from this... i think that f12 actually opens up a boot menu
[17:40] <hyperair> are you really sure you don't see a boot menu?
[17:40] <falcon_> only if i hit f12 but not both
[17:41] <falcon_> this may be a glitch caused by forcedown
[17:41] <hyperair> very weird
[17:41] <hyperair> well what you can try to do is enter the bios
[17:42] <hyperair> and verify the boot device priority has hard disk first
[17:42] <falcon_> i changed all combos of boots in the bios
[17:42] <hyperair> put hard disk to the top
[17:42] <falcon_> did that
[17:42] <hyperair> you have lubuntu installed on the hard disk, right?
[17:42] <hyperair> not a flash drive or anything?
[17:42] <falcon_> correct
[17:42] <hyperair> hmm
[17:43] <hyperair> try resetting your bios to default settings?
[17:43] <falcon_> did that too
[17:43] <hyperair> heh weird.
[17:43] <falcon_> i thought it may have been a bios driver
[17:43] <hyperair> could you take a video of the screen during the boot up sequence with fn+f12?
[17:44] <hyperair> afaik bios don't really have drivers..
[17:44] <hyperair> and especially not in laptops
[17:45] <falcon_> dont have a video camera ( i know what time am i living in)
[17:45] <hyperair> force-shutdowns also shouldn't *ever* hit the bios.
[17:45] <hyperair> the most it can do is bork your filesystem.
[17:46] <hyperair> also, if you google for $laptop_model service manual, you can probably find instructinos on how to dismantle your laptop
[17:46] <falcon_> after post i get blinking cursor then splash lubuntu
[17:46] <hyperair> i've opened an acer 4736-series laptop before, to clean the fan.
[17:46] <hyperair> this is weird.
[17:46] <falcon_> tried opening this started wrecking it
[17:47] <hyperair> you need to read the service manual
[17:47] <hyperair> there are a bunch of screws to remove
[17:47] <falcon_> do they cement these things together
[17:47] <hyperair> and a bunch of plastic catches
[17:47] <hyperair> you need to know where the plastic catches are so you can pry them apart without breaking them
[17:47] <hyperair> the service manual documents it all
[17:47] <falcon_> didn't know about the catches
[17:47] <hyperair> and you have to remove the components in a very specific order (stupid acer)
[17:48] <falcon_> showing imminent disk failure warnings will probably have to replace it soon
[17:49] <hyperair> for example, to access the cpu fan of the 4736, i needed to remove... first, the top panel (near the monitor), the keyboard, the monitor itself, wireless, modem, top surface, motherboard
[17:49] <hyperair> in that order.
[17:49] <hyperair> compare this to the lenovo y410: unscrew one panel in the back.
[17:49] <falcon_> maybe i'll just send it for repair
[17:49] <hyperair> yes, that's probably your best bet
[17:50] <hyperair> if it's under warranty, that's really your only choice.
[17:50] <hyperair> unless you're willing to void the warranty
[17:50] <falcon_> i'd still like to figure out how to boot normally
[17:50] <hyperair> shrug. maybe something really is screwed in the bios
[17:51] <falcon_> can't find the bios file aig32.zip
[17:51] <hyperair> i don't know the acer aspire one well enough to know how to fix it with the limited information i'm getting.
[17:51] <hyperair> trust me when i say you don't want to flash your bios on your own
[17:51] <hyperair> i did that with my thinkpad
[17:51] <hyperair> the flashing hung halfway
[17:51] <hyperair> and the laptop needed a motherboard replacement
[17:51] <falcon_> i didn't know it was difficult
[17:52] <hyperair> it isn't difficult.
[17:52] <hyperair> but it's expensive if it fails
[17:52] <falcon_> i'll just keep hitting fn+f12
[17:52] <hyperair> to repair a broken bios, you need to get a replacement motherboard, desolder the bios chips, and exchange them.
[17:53] <falcon_> i'm glad i couldn't find the file
[17:53] <hyperair> and then it's something like stuffing back the broken bios chip back on the motherboard after it's booted into the bios, and reflashing it
[17:53] <hyperair> it's very weird stuff, definitely something you don't want to try with a laptop
[17:53] <phillw> there is a minimal rescue available for some Acer Aspires... which model is it?
[17:53] <hyperair> aspire one
[17:53] <hyperair> d255
[17:53] <falcon_> aspire one d255
[17:54] <phillw> then, you are in luck :) http://macles.blogspot.com/2008/08/acer-aspire-one-bios-recovery.html
[17:54] <falcon_> that's not flashing the bios is it
[17:55] <phillw> falcon_: that is how recover if flashing fails and you have a dead machine.
[17:55] <falcon_> i'll check it out thanks
[17:55] <phillw> as hyperair said, a failed flash of the bios is a really bad situation to be in.
[17:56] <hyperair> ooh, it has a bios recovery thing
[17:56] <hyperair> that's damn awesome
[17:56] <hyperair> for my thinkpad, i sent it into the lenovo service centre, and waited two weeks for the shipment of replacement motherboards to arrive
[17:56] <hyperair> incidentally, the smae thinkpad is now in the same lenovo service centre again for a battery replacement
[17:57] <hyperair> yay thinkpad
[17:58] <phillw> hyperair: acer are one the under-rated producers of computer & media stuff. I have no hesitation in recommending them to people.
[17:58] <hyperair> phillw: they're horrible to open up.
[17:58] <phillw> I'm also very impressed with GateWay.
[17:58] <hyperair> phillw: i'm very unimpressed with acer after opening it up to service the fan
[17:58] <hyperair> my sister's laptop
[17:58] <phillw> hyperair: they are! I replaced a keyboard on one :)
[17:59] <hyperair> the keyboard is pretty simple to access actually
[17:59] <hyperair> but to access the fan...
[17:59] <bioterror> Acer desktops are okay, but with laptops I would try to gather extra money and buy something a little better
[17:59] <hyperair> you have to go from the top down
[17:59] <hyperair> first the top panel
[17:59] <phillw> fortuantely the video on you tube went through it all. Took 30 mins.
[17:59] <hyperair> then the keyboard
[17:59] <hyperair> then the monitor
[17:59] <hyperair> then the top casing
[17:59] <bioterror> hyperair, lenovo does it well with the keyboards. couple of screws from bottom and you can remove keyboard <3
[17:59] <hyperair> (WHY oh WHY did they make the monitor need to be removed in order to remove the top casing?!)
[18:00] <hyperair> bioterror: oh yes. the thinkpad was like that. awesome stuff.
[18:00] <hyperair> bioterror: but so is the acer. just a couple of screws from the bottom
[18:00] <hyperair> on the other hand, in my thinkpad e220s, the battery's internal and i can't remove it without removing the top casing, which is ridiculously hard
[18:00] <phillw> hyperair: just remember to take the long screw out :P
[18:00] <hyperair> the plastic catches on this thing are ridiculously tough to pry open
[18:01] <hyperair> i was afraid i'd break the entire thing
[18:01] <hyperair> phillw: i broke one of the screwholes >_>
[18:01] <hyperair> missed a screw
[18:01] <hyperair> but the acer service manual is awesome
[18:01] <hyperair> it's very detailed
[18:01] <phillw> hyperair: motto of the story... watch the video :P
[18:01] <hyperair> tells you where all the plastic catches are, and how to pray open the top cover
[18:01] <hyperair> phillw: there weren't videos for the thinkpad e220s!
[18:02] <hyperair> the thinkpad e220s service manual was abysmal
[18:02] <phillw> ahh, not played with a thinkpad in years... I got the one I needed to 'play' with opened up okay.
[18:02] <hyperair> it just showed three bloody arrows lifting up the top cover
[18:02] <hyperair> and i'm like IT'S NOT COMING OFF. HOW?!!
[18:03] <hyperair> phillw: you got one of those retro-looking ones.
[18:03] <hyperair> not the new shiny no-service-panel ones.
[18:03] <phillw> hyperair: we should *really* be in -offtopic :P
[18:03] <hyperair> where you have to remove the keyboard to chance the RAM.
[18:03] <hyperair> yes we really should =)
[19:47] <xsaidx> hello
[19:54] <hyperair> hi
[19:56] <xsaidx> hyperair: you use keepassx ?? i have a problem i cant add any new entry
[19:56]  * hyperair doesn't
[19:56] <xsaidx> hyperair: ok thansk
[20:06] <xsaidx> mark76: hello, do you use keepassx ?
[20:06] <mark76> Nope
[20:07] <xsaidx> mark76:  ok ;]
[20:07] <mark76> I don't even know what it is
[20:10] <xsaidx> mark76: its a password manager
[20:10] <mark76> Oh right
[20:11] <mark76> Like Seahorse?
[20:13] <xsaidx> mark76: uhmm i never used that but well its a toll where you can save your psw's in an encrypted file and some feature that needs more work ;]
[20:13] <xsaidx> mark76: http://www.keepassx.org/
[20:13] <mark76> I see
[20:21] <xsaidx> hello im back
[20:21] <xsaidx> still strugglin
[20:22] <xsaidx> anyone here using keepassx ?
[21:25] <reflexrg> how do I edit the launchers on menu and launch bar?
[21:26] <reflexrg> so I can have it open different firefox profiles
[21:26] <reflexrg> right now I have it setup so that it opens the profile manager every time
[21:36] <reflexrg> I just changed exec: firefox -new-window to exec: firefox -no-remote and used terminal to open profilemanager and unchecked don't start up profilemanager so I can open my other profiles
[21:36] <reflexrg> :)
[21:38] <reflexrg> edited file /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop