[00:00] <AlanBell> I should hope.so!
[00:00] <AlanBell> openshot is nice
[00:00] <imexil> I normally like to use avidemux but that doesn't like ogv
[00:00] <imexil> thanks ... going to give it a try
[00:03] <penguin42> can ptiviy (can't remember spelling) do it?
[00:14] <imexil> penguin42: yes looks like it. Have currently opened both and it's hard to say in what way they should be different
[00:49] <penguin42> annoying how many TV sellers don't list the physical size
[00:54] <daftykins> indeed!
[00:54] <daftykins> happy christmas penguin42 et al o/
[00:54] <penguin42> and to you daftykins
[00:54] <daftykins> i bought a receiver from best buy UK before they closed
[00:55] <daftykins> i needed to know the box size and weight, the guy just copied the info from the product page but that was the receiver alone
[00:55] <daftykins> plus it said it was 430 cm wide O_O
[00:55] <daftykins> :D
[00:55] <penguin42> nice; well, I'm considering replacing my CRT tv - the constraints are width, and find someone who will take it away - and I'm OK to pay them for that
[00:55] <daftykins> not up for just taking it down a recycling place?
[00:55] <penguin42> daftykins: It's a 32" CRT and is upstairs; so no!
[00:55] <daftykins> hehehe
[00:56] <penguin42> it almost killed us getting it on the stand ~7 years ago - and I'm 7 years older now
[00:56] <daftykins> my parents are still putting up with my old JVC 32" CRT as their main lounge one
[00:56] <penguin42> this is a Tosh
[00:56] <daftykins> :)
[00:56] <daftykins> ah-ha
[00:56] <gordonjcp> stick it on Freecycle
[01:03] <penguin42> having measured it I'm reasonably sure I can get a 40" in - *just* and depending on the model
[01:08] <daftykins> 40 is a good size if you've got 2-3m sitting distance
[01:09]  * penguin42 measures - yeh 2.7m
[01:10] <daftykins> mind you mines an oooooold 1366x768 panel
[01:10] <penguin42> my problem is a misplaced sidewall mounted cupboard and a door on the opposite side that dictate the width, now what I'd forgotten was that the cupboard is mounted on the side wall, but not at the end where the TV goes, and by the magic of perspective I can fit in a wider TV
[01:11] <daftykins> :D
[01:14] <penguin42> although that does mean that the width of the TV is dictated by which way I swivel the chair
[09:22] <AlanBell> morning all
[09:24] <shauno> morning
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:26] <gordonjcp> morning
[09:27] <gordonjcp> you know what, I want a bit of software that can accept two points on a map
[09:27] <gordonjcp> or better yet a route between two points on a map
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> and then?
[09:27] <gordonjcp> and calculate the optimum playlist for my mp3 player
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: optimum how?
[09:27] <gordonjcp> based on speed limits, road types, ground features etc
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: wide open spaces vs mountains, etc.?
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: OSM has an API.. :)
[09:28] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: so do Last.FM and Spotify
[09:28]  * MartijnVdS hands gordonjcp a bucket of glue
[09:28] <gordonjcp> even better if you could have a player that would track position so it would stay in sync depending on true speed
[09:28] <gordonjcp> and cue in tracks based on actual position
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> but what if you're speeding? Skip a song? Play it faster?
[09:29] <gordonjcp> "oh we're coming up to a tunnel in a mile, bring up something fastish"
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> Skip half a song?
[09:29] <gordonjcp> "tunnel in 100m, mix to Future Sound of London - We Have Explosive"
[09:29] <gordonjcp> for that Wipeout 2097 vibe
[09:29] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> I have that with DJ Fresh - X Project (Wipeout HD :)
[09:32] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z3SryAQgW8
[09:38] <shauno> looks like O2 forgot to feed the hamsters again :(
[09:38] <MartijnVdS> You ran out of oxygen?
[09:39] <shauno> worse.  my internets have no route
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> then.. how are you ircing?
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> "No route, too hosed."
[09:39] <shauno> different machine :)
[09:41] <shauno> trying to use 3g on my laptop because the company network blocks most the hosts I need for games.  but my 3g provider have apparently taken the day off
[09:41] <shauno> and the vending machine is out of doritos.  this is turning out to be a pretty shabby christmas
[09:42] <MartijnVdS> shauno: We have some political parties and organisations that disable their websites on sundays for religious reasons. Maybe it's like that?
[09:43] <shauno> really?
[09:43] <shauno> websites that get more weekends off than I do.  that's a sad thought.
[09:43] <MartijnVdS> shauno: hard-core "Dutch reformed"
[09:44] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Reformed_Church
[09:44] <shauno> reminds me of a camera store in NYC that doesn't accept web orders on jewish high holidays
[09:44] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: sounds like the Free Presbyterians
[09:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: oh the search bits of the Dutch Chamber of Commerce (where you can look up businesses) also doesn't work outside "office hours".. for some weird reason
[09:46] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: I went to school with people who were very very religious like that
[09:46] <shauno> this is where things start to go wrong.  the machines have obviously unionized.  we're in trouble now.
[09:46] <MartijnVdS> /nick SkyNet
[09:47] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: whole families of really hardcore religious people, the girls weren't allowed to talk to or even sit beside boys that weren't a blood relative, and had to keep their hair covered and weren't allowed to wear trousers
[09:47] <gordonjcp> or go to university or anything, they all finished school at 16 and were married off to other likeminded religious nutters
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: we have a village like that
[09:48] <gordonjcp> on sunday they'd sit in the house and read the bible if it was light enough - not always the case at 57 degrees north in winter
[09:48] <shauno> most ahmish groups are more open than that now :/
[09:48] <gordonjcp> eat sunday dinner cold
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> and an area around it that's almost as strict (but not quite)
[09:48] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt_(Netherlands)
[09:48] <gordonjcp> the women would prepare the sunday dinner on the saturday
[09:48] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: very similar, very similar
[09:49] <gordonjcp> MartijnVdS: the thing that annoys me is that people rant on about how awful things are for Muslim women
[09:49] <shauno> a lot of amish get something similar to a 'gap year' now, where they're let lose upon the world, so that when they come back, it's their own free will rather than force
[09:49] <gordonjcp> it's just the same for Christian women
[09:49] <gordonjcp> shauno: now that makes sense
[09:49] <gordonjcp> you can find weird extremist outliers in any group
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> gordonjcp: DOWN WITH NON-FREE SOFTWARE?
[09:53] <shauno> solaris admins sprang to mind, but that works too
[09:54] <popey> Happy 25th December!
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: Same!
[09:57] <danfish> happy non-denominal mid-winter celebration all
[09:57] <shauno> happy overtime weekend \o/
[09:57] <danfish> or, in normal land, merry christmas :D
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> danfish: "Happy start of the noticeable lengthening of days"?
[09:58] <danfish> my four year old has been given his first (refurbished) laptop and he is whizzing round unity with ease!
[09:59] <MartijnVdS> Ah, so that's the target audience
[09:59] <danfish> :P
[10:00] <danfish> MartijnVdS: funny how xmas coincides with a number of other festivals related to the lengthening of the day ;)
[10:19] <dwatkins> I thought the clocks went forward in March... ;)
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> \o/ wake-on-lan + vlc
[10:21] <dwatkins> woot
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> now I can put my Windows box somewhere out of the way ;)
[10:22] <dwatkins> connect the monitor via CAT5, MartijnVdS?
[10:22] <MartijnVdS> danfish: or not at all
[10:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:54] <dwatkins> hiya brobostigon
[10:54] <dwatkins> Happy midwinter festival to all
[10:54] <brobostigon> happy christmas dwatkins :)
[11:34] <dwatkins> yay for Lego Star Wars
[11:48] <AlanBell> dad is playing with his new iPad
[11:49] <brobostigon> :)
[11:49]  * brobostigon is playing his new scroll android tablet
[12:03] <zleap> nuce
[12:03] <zleap> nice,
[12:06] <zleap> the advante of having to boot a PC into windows inorder to print, is that you do not waste as much paper as you would if you can just hit print
[13:15]  * penguin42 jingles
[14:34] <Nafallo> zleap: haha. nice one.
[14:47] <dwatkins> brobostigon: heh, I got a Kindle ;)
[14:48]  * dwatkins sniggers at zleap's comment on saving paper
[14:48] <brobostigon> dwatkins: gppd a;sp, :)
[14:48]  * brobostigon installs tuxracer :)
[14:48]  * dwatkins rot1s brobostigon 
[14:48] <brobostigon> eeek
[14:49] <dwatkins> no, you're cspcptujhpo now
[14:50] <brobostigon> ?
[14:50] <dwatkins> I rot1ed you
[14:50] <brobostigon> rotl?
[14:51] <dwatkins> like rot13, the characters of your name are moved further up the alphabet
[14:51] <dwatkins> because you typed gppd instead of good
[14:51] <brobostigon> oh, i see.
[14:51] <dwatkins> if you're really paranoid, rot13 your text twice for extra security ;)
[15:09]  * Nafallo rot13s dwatkins's DNA
[15:10] <dwatkins> ooh, that tickles
[15:15] <Nafallo> bah. too bad this mix is distorted in places :-/
[15:16] <dwatkins> quality problems, Nafallo?
[15:17] <Nafallo> yeah. not my fault though.
[15:17] <Nafallo> old mix, ripped from a CD
[15:18] <Nafallo> I changed to a mix I captured straight from the mixer board in a club instead :-)
[15:19] <mattt> hope everyone's having a great day
[15:19] <Nafallo> so far so good
[15:19] <Nafallo> that's pre-cleaning of course.
[15:19] <mattt> :)
[15:19] <Nafallo> got relatives visiting tomorrow until 2nd Jan.
[15:19] <mattt> ouch
[15:20] <mattt> at least you won't be bored :D
[15:20] <Nafallo> nah. they are good folk :-)
[15:21] <Nafallo> oh. maybe you meant the cleaning?
[15:21] <Nafallo> that will be boring :-P
[15:21] <mattt> hehe
[15:22] <Nafallo> I would much prefer laying on the counch reading a book or watching a movie :-)
[15:24] <mattt> you could do what they do in the US -- use paper plates/cutlery/cups for every meal
[15:24] <mattt> will save a lot of work
[15:25] <mattt> icebergs?  pointless anyway
[15:25]  * mattt jokes
[15:26] <Nafallo> can do that here to. in fact, I believe the previous occupier used too.
[15:27] <Nafallo> but that won't get the dust of the floors :-)
[15:27] <mattt> Nafallo: i use my socks for that
[15:27] <Nafallo> eeew
[15:27] <mattt> :P
[15:28] <Nafallo> well. I don't think I have enough socks for these mountains.
[15:28] <mattt> get the kids to dance
[15:28] <mattt> ok, gotta jet, GMT-8 here, and kids are waking up
[15:29] <Nafallo> roger that
[15:29] <Nafallo> mattt: over and out! :-)
[15:31] <zleap> dwatkins,  thing is most of what I print i don't actually need to print,  it gets printed as that seems easier, e.g  when you buy from amazon you get a summary of what has been bought, its easy to hit print, rather than say save as pdf
[15:34] <dwatkins> I have 'print to PDF' as a possible printer
[15:35] <Nafallo> s/possible/default/ ;-)
[15:37] <dwatkins> well indeed
[15:57] <SuperEngineer> Hi folks... just popped in to say "Happy Wotsits and wishing you all great fun" to all at U-UK.
[16:05] <gord> visions of a wotsit based holiday flashing before my eyes
[16:06] <penguin42> gord: Turkey worsits?
[16:10] <AlanBell> turkey twizzlers!
[16:24] <SuperEngineer> turkey cheesy whotsits?
[16:27]  * SuperEngineer is listening to uuk podcast [and still mourns the passing of SuprEngr as nick]
[16:30] <penguin42> what happened to it?
[16:32]  * mattt stole it
[16:33] <Nafallo> mattt: wb
[16:33] <Nafallo> so... maybe not strictly Ubuntu etc... but...
[16:34] <Nafallo> anyone here have pets and hence a good online pet store for supplies? ;-)
[16:34] <Nafallo> I'm trying to work out a budget :-)
[16:36] <mattt> Nafallo: i don't, but now that i'm moving into a house i would like to look at getting a little dog, keep me posted on what you find :D
[16:36]  * penguin42 finds it cheaper to talk to other peoples cats
[16:37] <Nafallo> mattt: but... are you in the UK? you mentioned GMT-8 before?
[16:37] <mattt> Nafallo: yeah, visiting family ... usually in UK :)
[16:37] <Nafallo> penguin42: had it been cats ocado would have worked. so.. it's not ;-)
[16:37] <Nafallo> mattt: ah. kewl :-)
[16:38] <Nafallo> mattt: well, for dogs and cats ocado should do. or any of them stores :-)
[16:38] <SuperEngineer> penguin42, folowing "a request" on uuh podcast - I changed it ;)
[16:38] <SuperEngineer> *uuk
[16:39] <zleap> dwatkins, yeah (sorry am doing other stuff) have set the same thing so i print topdf by default or it should do
[16:41] <mattt> :)
[16:41] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Erm ok
[16:52] <daftykins> happy Christmas all!
[16:52] <daftykins> is anyone on virgin media?
[16:52] <MonsterKiller> yes
[16:53] <MonsterKiller> happy christmas also :)
[16:53] <daftykins> MonsterKiller: south sorta region per chance?
[16:53] <daftykins> a friend of mine can't hit a site and i want to try and backup that it could well be DNS issues
[16:53] <MonsterKiller> midlands
[16:53] <daftykins> he's unable to get http://www.tehconnection.eu/ - it gives him an IIS landing page
[16:54] <MonsterKiller> "Welcome to tehconnection.eu This domain was recently registered at namecheap.com"
[16:54] <daftykins> weird - yep that's going quirky the same as for him!
[16:54] <daftykins> MonsterKiller: thanks very much :)
[16:54] <MonsterKiller> it could take 24+ hours for his DNS to update
[16:54] <daftykins> yeah, interestingly i use openDNS and it's not been affected all night
[16:55] <MonsterKiller> also, the IIS landing page is usually on localhost if you dont disabled IIS on windows 7 after installing it
[16:55] <MonsterKiller> :p
[16:55] <MonsterKiller> unless the webserver has IIS, yuk.
[16:55] <MonsterKiller> xD
[16:56] <daftykins> yeah it was definitely another host
[16:56] <daftykins> he's on XP in Brighton giving him a weird sorta landing page
[16:56] <daftykins> i get the normal site fine ^_^
[16:57] <daftykins> wouldn't be surprised if it was getting blocked ;D
[16:57] <MonsterKiller> lol
[16:57] <MonsterKiller> anyone by chance used one of the new FX processors?
[16:59] <daftykins> i used to love AMD in Athlon XP times, not run any of their kit personally since though.
[17:00] <daftykins> put Athlon64 stuff in for people, though i wouldn't mind seeing what a modern AMD system 'feels' like but they just seem too far behind
[17:00] <RaycisCharles> The Athlon 64 was the last good CPU AMD released.
[17:00] <daftykins> to be worthy of anyones hard earned
[17:01] <RaycisCharles> Bulldozer can barely compete with Nehalem, let alone Westmere, Sandy Bridge and SB-E.
[17:01] <MonsterKiller> lol
[17:01] <Nafallo> far behind? :-)
[17:01] <Nafallo> really?
[17:01] <RaycisCharles> AMD are about two years behind on the CPU front.
[17:01] <daftykins> yeah
[17:01] <RaycisCharles> Uh yes.
[17:01] <RaycisCharles> But in terms of GPUs, they're about 5 months ahead of Nvidia.
[17:02] <daftykins> but just can't write the software ;D
[17:02] <Nafallo> if you say so. that's not my perception though :-)
[17:02] <RaycisCharles> And about 2 years ahead of Intel...
[17:02] <RaycisCharles> The 7970 is a compute monster.
[17:02] <daftykins> we don' all have to agree
[17:02] <RaycisCharles> Nafallo: it's been this way for a long time.
[17:02] <daftykins> +t
[17:02] <RaycisCharles> daftykins, you're right.
[17:02] <RaycisCharles> It's better that some people buy AMD CPUs.
[17:02] <daftykins> yep
[17:02] <RaycisCharles> This keeps them in business - Intel need competition.
[17:02] <daftykins> i'd love for AMD to come back with a winner - get competition going again
[17:03] <RaycisCharles> So let the chumps waste their money on AMD CPUs...anybody with a brain will buy an i3/i5/i7.
[17:03] <RaycisCharles> daftykins, isn't going to happen for at least three years.
[17:03] <daftykins> yeah
[17:03] <RaycisCharles> Not unless Intel screw up majorly. AMD's target is a 10-15% performance increase per year for three years.
[17:03] <Nafallo> ah. your perception is based on desktops. that'd explain it.
[17:03] <RaycisCharles> lol
[17:03] <Nafallo> mine is towards servers.
[17:04] <daftykins> ah-har
[17:04] <RaycisCharles> Nafallo, do you know how many Opterons there are outside 8P servers?
[17:04] <daftykins> oh yeah they're really good for performance to power in the server segment aren't they?
[17:04] <RaycisCharles> Almost none. You know why? Because Opterons suck as much as their desktop brothers.
[17:04] <RaycisCharles> daftykins, no, good grief no.
[17:04] <daftykins> oh my bad
[17:04] <RaycisCharles> Intel have a much better performance per watt ratio.
[17:05] <Nafallo> I know of a lot of AMD-based systems outside of 8P servers, yes :-)
[17:06] <RaycisCharles> Intel pretty much have every segment sewn up apart from large socket count boards and supercomputers.
[17:06] <RaycisCharles> 2P Xeons are cheap as hell, outperform Opterons by 20-50% all within a smaller TDP.
[17:07] <gordonjcp> RaycisCharles: well, except nearly every microprocessor you come across that's not in a desktop or laptop
[17:07] <gordonjcp> RaycisCharles: Intel are basically dead
[17:07] <RaycisCharles> It'd be nice if AMD could compete, but Bulldozer has been a catastrophic failure, sadly.
[17:07] <RaycisCharles> gordonjcp: hah I've seen some AMD laptops.
[17:08] <RaycisCharles> Intel's biggest competition in the mobile space is from ARM; AMD don't exist there.
[17:08] <gordonjcp> yeah
[17:08] <gordonjcp> that whole market segment is dead
[17:08] <gordonjcp> you might as well build a laptop using a DEC J11 processor
[17:08] <RaycisCharles> Prices aren't unreasonable, though.
[17:08] <gordonjcp> or discrete TTL
[17:09] <SuperEngineer> [& if AlanBell  is listening]... ok' I'll comprimise [ it's Christmas]... the beard doesn't make you like a criminal - it makes you look like a cuddly crimimal
[17:09]  * penguin42 hits gordonjcp Hey I had an ICL Perq whose processor was a bit sliced processor about triple eurocard sized
[17:09] <gordonjcp> penguin42: yup
[17:09] <gordonjcp> penguin42: I have a board full of AMD2901 bitslice processors
[17:10] <RaycisCharles> I just wish AMD would release a decent CPU ffs.
[17:11] <RaycisCharles> Intel delayed SB-E for a year, because there was no competition.
[17:11] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Yep that's what it used
[17:11] <gordonjcp> penguin42: I also used to have this: http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/from_togusa/scaled/dscf0030a.jpg
[17:11] <daftykins> SB-E is quite niche though
[17:12] <RaycisCharles> SB-E only matters if you want six cores.
[17:12] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Nice! Well, you won't be cold this winter
[17:12] <RaycisCharles> The i7-2600 matches it clock-for-clock core-for-core.
[17:12] <RaycisCharles> Not surprising since it's the same architecture and core.
[17:13] <RaycisCharles> They just added a ton of cool stuff to the die, like extra cache, PCIe 3.0, QPI etc.
[17:13] <gordonjcp> penguin42: sadly I donated it to a museum because I ran of space at home
[17:13] <RaycisCharles> Oh, and increased the TDP from 95W to 130W.
[17:13] <RaycisCharles> >_>
[17:13] <gordonjcp> penguin42: I fancy building another one
[17:13] <gordonjcp> penguin42: it drew less than my current desktop PC
[17:13] <daftykins> yeah the power element was shocking XD
[17:14] <gordonjcp> penguin42: with just the CPU box running (BA23 chassis, two 40MB hard disks, J11 CPU at 16MHz) it took about 80W
[17:15] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Wow that's not bad - (especially given the mass of the drives!) - so I assume you have it booting v7?
[17:16] <gordonjcp> penguin42: no, it was running RT-11 with a timesharing system on top
[17:16] <gordonjcp> I did once boot V7 on it
[17:16] <gordonjcp> took about an hour to transfer to RL02 across a serial link ;-)
[17:16] <penguin42> uucp?
[17:16] <gordonjcp> kermit
[17:16] <penguin42> hehe
[17:16] <gordonjcp> TSX+, that was it
[17:16] <gordonjcp> quite liked TSX+
[17:17] <gordonjcp> and this is why my dynamic dns for the house is pdp11.gjcp.net
[17:17] <penguin42> oh, someone mentioned that to me the other day - they only just got rid of it out of their environment
[17:17] <gordonjcp> what, tsx+?
[17:17] <gordonjcp> you can still buy it
[17:17] <gordonjcp> S&H do a PC port of it
[17:17] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Yeh but the important question is .... why?!
[17:18] <gordonjcp> legacy apps
[17:18] <gordonjcp> there are many things out there where you cannot redesign the hardware or software
[17:18] <penguin42> yeh
[17:18] <gordonjcp> not without obscenely expensive recertification
[17:19] <gordonjcp> so you can buy a QBus or Unibus crate that hooks up to a PCI card
[17:19] <gordonjcp> run basically a highly-customised version of simh
[17:19] <gordonjcp> slap your PDP11 cards into the crate and run your software on "modern" hardware
[17:22] <penguin42> the problem is those things get past risk assesment because they aren't running on ancient hosts, but ignore the risk that the cards are 40 years old and only about 5 people understand the software
[17:23] <daftykins> what kid of things are running on this hardware you guys speak of?
[17:30] <mattt> can't wait to get my hands on a raspberry pi
[17:30] <daftykins> hehehe
[17:30] <daftykins> i don't really get what's so special about those
[17:30] <mattt> daftykins: the price?  :P
[17:31] <daftykins> i suppose a ~£16 PC that runs off 500mA is quite good
[17:31] <mattt> they have done a great job of hyping this thing up tho
[17:31] <penguin42> nod
[17:32] <penguin42> too much hype
[17:32] <penguin42> I signed up to the list of someone doing a cheap Cortex-A8 board - that should run Ubuntu userland
[17:33] <daftykins> oo
[17:33] <penguin42> http://www.rhombus-tech.net/allwinner_a10/orders/ - but I get the feel it's at early stages
[17:34] <mattt> i'm not really a gear head, i just want something to run at home for email, etc.
[17:34] <daftykins> server wise?
[17:34] <mattt> the raspberry pi sounded like a great candidate
[17:34] <mattt> daftykins: yep
[17:34] <daftykins> i'd have thought personal hosting is just a headache :D
[17:35] <mattt> not really, i've done it for a # of years, and get very little spam
[17:35]  * penguin42 has done it for years and gets kmsgs of spam
[17:36] <daftykins> kilo? thousands? :)
[17:37] <mattt> maybe i got duped into that debian privacy video i watched
[17:37] <mattt> (eben moglen)
[17:37] <penguin42> daftykins: Yep
[17:38] <daftykins> ouch!
[17:38] <penguin42> hang on I'll get some stats
[17:38] <daftykins> i'm happy with my gmail account read from all my devices :D
[17:41] <penguin42> daftykins: OK, it's dropped off a bit - but on Thursday I got 826 mails to my inbox, and 500 (exactly!) that managed to get trapped by my spam software before it got that far
[17:41] <daftykins> crikey
[17:41] <daftykins> 326 were legit? :)
[17:42] <penguin42> no, about 826 were ( a few slipped through) - I'm subscribed to a few lists :-)
[17:43] <penguin42> it's interesting less than last year - then I had 637 to mbox, and just over 1000 spam
[17:43] <daftykins> ah :)
[17:43] <daftykins> what server are you running there?
[17:43] <penguin42> just an exim on a bytemark vm; with crm114 and spamassassin
[17:44] <daftykins> ooh
[17:44] <penguin42> daftykins: It's not too bad these days - it was harder when the VMs were smaller; it was difficult stopping exim overloading
[17:45] <daftykins> i've always been under the impression mail hosting would be hard work for me as, what i call a newb
[17:46] <daftykins> i run a little wordpress site on apache from home but i would imagine i haven't got it totally secured as best it could be
[17:49] <penguin42> daftykins: It's not much work until it goes painfully wrong with annoying timing!
[17:50] <daftykins> too true that
[17:50] <daftykins> as tech invariably does
[17:51] <penguin42> daftykins: If we could isolate the AI inbuilt in systems that identifies the worst time to fail and reuse it then we could do anything!
[17:52] <daftykins> :D
[17:52] <daftykins> we'd be rich!
[18:05]  * SuperEngineer has just set reminder on Freeview for Dr. Who - don't you go forgetting it yourselves!
[18:07] <shauno> when's that on?
[18:11] <Azelphur> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/25/1438243/anonymous-hacks-us-think-tank-stratfor
[18:11] <Azelphur> lmao xD
[18:11] <SuperEngineer> shauno, BBC1 7pm [uk time]
[18:14] <StevenR> SuperEngineer: that's what mythtv is for :)
[18:14] <dwatkins> Doctor Who looks like it'll be a great episode, I look forward to it :)
[18:24] <SuperEngineer> StevenR, it's also what get-iplayer is for - but I intend watching it at output time! - and dwatkins - well done 2u!
[18:35] <dwatkins> what did i do?
[18:44]  * mattt wants to cook salt beef
[18:58] <SuperEngineer> Dr. Who in 3 mins
[18:58] <SuperEngineer> Dr. Who in 2w mins
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> Dr. Who in 1 minute!
[18:59] <brobostigon> :)
[18:59] <SuperEngineer> daruum duruum - duruum durumm.... it's Dr. Who!
[19:11]  * zleap missed the start - was watching carry on cleo
[19:31]  * penguin42 burps - pudding cometh, pudding disappeareth
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Pudding_farming
[19:49] <penguin42> haha
[20:16] <GreenDance> Hi
[20:17] <GreenDance> Merry Christmas Everyone!
[20:17] <GreenDance> All The Best.
[20:18] <popey> evening all
[20:18] <GreenDance> evening popey
[20:18] <Nafallo> evening popey pope
[20:18]  * popey can haz whiskey
[20:18]  * Nafallo takes popey's whiskey
[20:19] <Nafallo> no. popey can not haz whiskey
[20:19] <Nafallo> ;-)
[20:19] <Nafallo> popey can gife the Nafallo a hug and then haz whiskey
[20:20]  * popey huggles Nafallo
[20:20]  * Nafallo gives popey the hug and then the whiskey :-)
[20:21]  * GreenDance shares his 24 cans with popey and Nafallo, enjoy.
[20:21] <popey> :1~
[20:21] <popey> stupid keyboard
[20:21] <Nafallo> cans?
[20:21]  * Nafallo looks at them cans suspicously
[20:21] <GreenDance> larger ;)
[20:21] <Nafallo> larger?
[20:22] <Nafallo> larger than what precisely? :-)
[20:22] <GreenDance> Guinness*
[20:22] <Nafallo> ah. see... I prefer that from the tap ;-)
[20:22] <GreenDance> i need glasses on, lol
[20:22] <Nafallo> had it been jolt cola I would have been all for it :-)
[20:23] <GreenDance> :-)
[20:23] <Nafallo> popey: http://p.nafallo.me/chikita.jpg :-)
[20:24] <GreenDance> want some Guinness popey?
[20:24] <popey> heh
[20:24] <popey> no ta
[20:24]  * popey has whiskey
[20:24] <GreenDance> :)
[20:24] <Nafallo> mixing guiness and whisky sounds foul...
[20:43] <zleap> back
[20:45] <popey> hello zleap
[20:45] <zleap> merry christmas
[20:52] <daubers> Merry christmas!
[20:53] <mgdm> Merry Christmas :)
[20:54] <popey> hehe, refugees from strictly?
[20:54] <popey> :1~
[20:54] <popey> stupid kb
[20:54]  * brobostigon is watching blackadder :)
[20:55] <daftykins> ^_^
[20:56]  * mgdm is un-RAW-ifying photos
[20:57] <daftykins> saving space?
[21:01] <mgdm> No, just making them useful for printing etc
[21:01] <daftykins> most cam's can be set to shoot in both RAW and other if it's a bit of a chore to convert eh?
[21:02] <Nafallo> mgdm: are you trying to tell us it's not useful sending 102MB of a RAW image to a printer?
[21:02] <Nafallo> who would have thought...
[21:04] <daftykins> Nafallo: i am shocked
[21:20] <bigcalm_lappy> Merry Xmas peeps :)
[21:23] <jutnux> Merry Christmas guys!
[21:24] <zleap> merry christmas
[21:27] <RaycisCharles> bigcalm_lappy, what did you get us?
[21:29] <jutnux> £20 amazon gift voucher each \o/
[21:30] <bigcalm_lappy> A winning smile and a reboot
[21:30] <bigcalm_lappy> (shortly, once update manager has finished)
[21:59] <daftykins> http://www.wowza.com/ - a friends trying to run this but it keeps crashing across 5 different Linux distros and 3 different Java runtime versions 0o
[21:59] <daftykins> works fine on other servers but not on one with the intel C206 chipset
[22:00] <daftykins> don't suppose anyones encountered that? ^_^
[22:10] <daftykins> penguin42: when we isolate that AI, can we also work on why weighing scales needles are never pointing toward 0 when you set them up?
[23:20] <penguin42> daftykins: Oh that's mechanical stuff
[23:21] <penguin42> daftykins: That wowza thing, does it do anything with the actual graphics hardware?
[23:22] <daftykins> i wondered that, i may check
[23:22] <daftykins> as i wondered if the integrated graphics would confuse it
[23:23] <penguin42> I mean integrated graphics is hardly unusual
[23:24] <daftykins> apparently it's in CPU mode only because of quicksync having no Linux support
[23:25]  * penguin42 doesn't know what that is
[23:25] <penguin42> daftykins: So how sure are you that it's chipset specific - that's a very odd thing for it to be specific about
[23:25] <daftykins> quicksync is intel's on-die integrated graphics H264 encoding
[23:25] <daftykins> well it's my friends guess
[23:26] <daftykins> as it's the only main difference i think between other servers and the one he's working on
[23:26] <penguin42> being very new chips I bet they have newer CPUs and more RAM in as well
[23:27] <daftykins> and that likely to be an issue, or?
[23:27] <penguin42> it's less likely than a chipset issue
[23:27] <daftykins> he says it's the first E3 xeon
[23:27] <daftykins> rest of the servers that work fine are 5500 series xeons
[23:29] <penguin42> daftykins: Is he running both systems in 64bit ?
[23:30] <daftykins> yeah, 64 only program so i hear
[23:30] <penguin42> how much RAM is in the old and new system?
[23:31] <daftykins> just asking
[23:33] <daftykins> "its the h264 encoder (mainconcept based) thread which is dieing. if we passthrough the video, it doesnt crash, we've ldd'd the .so files associated, they all link fine, other servers are more or less same spec wise, just older intel chips, tried a 3.2 kernel, same thing happens
[23:35] <penguin42> tis possible that the h264 encoder is trying to use one of the new funky instructions in said funky new chips and is broken
[23:36] <penguin42> it's the type of thing you might heavily hand optimise
[23:37] <daftykins> ah-har
[23:37] <daftykins> he says they only get a core dump so it's hard to tell
[23:38] <penguin42> well, welcome to closed source software!
[23:38] <daftykins> :D
[23:38] <penguin42> daftykins: It's one for his vendor to sort out; if I had to hack around it I'd try running it in a VM and getting the VM to lie about which CPU is running
[23:39] <daftykins> and masking functions, yeah i came up with the same thought when you said the above
[23:39] <daftykins> penguin42: thanks for your input :)
[23:39] <penguin42> no problem
[23:41] <daftykins> haha...
[23:41] <daftykins> "we also turned off vt-x, all the c-states (1E/3/6), HT, turbowe also turned off vt-x, all the c-states (1E/3/6), HT, turbo, vt-d"
[23:41] <daftykins> "guess it may be AVX" whatever that one is
[23:42] <penguin42> nah, turn all that lot back on - the AVX and latest SSE ones are the most likely
[23:42] <jutnux> How has your day been people?
[23:43] <daftykins> not too shabby thanks jutnux - sat in front of TV and film, good food
[23:43] <daftykins> jutnux: and you?
[23:44] <jutnux> daftykins: Pretty good. Mother bought me something I wasn't expecting: a new desk.
[23:44] <daftykins> :D
[23:44] <daftykins> those were some good hiding skills! unless you don't live there
[23:45] <jutnux> Nah she left it round my Nan's
[23:45] <jutnux> and I saw it and thought nothing of it hahhaa
[23:45] <daftykins> :)
[23:47] <daftykins> penguin42: apparently it's working under Windows ( a VM) under virtualbox
[23:47] <daftykins> he's wondering how you can mask those features in vbox
[23:47] <penguin42> daftykins: He may well find it works under Linux in the virtualbox as well
[23:47] <daftykins> or anything i suppose
[23:48] <penguin42> I don't know virtualbox, I know you can do it in kvm
[23:52] <daftykins> avx isn't exposed to windows apparently
[23:52] <daftykins> guest is seeing sse1,2,3,3S, EM64T, MMX
[23:53] <daftykins> heh didn't know there was a 3S
[23:53] <penguin42> I think it might be what's commonly knows as SSE4