[00:47] <Fudge> no alpha2 yet?
[00:53] <funkyHat> Fudge: no, not until Feb apparently. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule
[00:55] <Fudge> tks funkyHat
[00:55] <Fudge> i couldnt get the 64 alpha 1 to boot but 32 did
[00:55] <penguin42> Fudge: Did you report it?
[00:58] <Fudge> penguin42  yeah i discussed it in here but no one else I am aware of had the same issue
[00:59] <Daekdroom> Have you tried the daily build?
[00:59] <penguin42> Fudge: Ah but have you filed a LP bug report, and how exactly does it fail?
[01:02] <Fudge> penguin42  no i didnt, i did not know why it failed as i can not read the screen, so had not enough information to report
[01:03] <penguin42> Fudge: When you say you can't read it - you mean it is black/fuzzy/etc ?
[01:04] <Fudge> no mate i am blind
[01:04] <Fudge> well blind enough that i can not read anything on the screen
[01:05] <penguin42> Fudge: Oh ok, hmm I know there are blind kernel devs so there are setups to help
[01:05] <Fudge> you have had ssuccess with 64bit?
[01:06] <penguin42> Fudge: Yeh I've got two machines running 64bit here
[01:06] <penguin42> Fudge: Do you have a digital camera?
[01:07] <penguin42> If you can get a picture of a crash screen I'd be happy to try and interpret it
[01:08] <Fudge> thanx dude, I have a mate coming over later today, I will get him to read out errors. checksum is fine btw.
[01:09] <penguin42> What's the hardware out of interest?
[01:28] <Fudge> g31 intel core 2 duo e5200 i think
[01:29] <penguin42> hmm shouldn't be that odd
[01:30] <Fudge> agreed
[01:30] <Fudge> im burning now, i have another machine i can try it on, i had not tried that before
[01:36] <penguin42> but for me, time for bed
[01:42] <Fudge> night mate
[03:04] <cliffybx> bulldog98
[03:04] <cliffybx> hello
[03:04] <cliffybx> anybody here
[03:04] <Resistance> cliffybx:  probably, but patience is recommended ;P
[03:05] <Resistance> just because this channel doesnt seem active doesnt mean people arent checking it periodically :P
[03:05] <cliffybx> =) ok2..
[03:05] <cliffybx> i understand=)
[03:06] <cliffybx> Resistance > do u use ubuntu
[03:08] <Daekdroom> If you're trying to ask a question, go ahead.
[03:08] <Resistance> cliffybx:  yes i do, Ubuntu 11.04 with KDE interface ;P  but if you have a question ask away :P
[03:09] <Resistance> if you just want to chat, try #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus :)
[03:09] <cliffybx> i use ubuntu 11.10 ..but it has problem with bluetooth..how to fix it?
[03:09] <Resistance> cliffybx:  ask #ubuntu
[03:10] <Resistance> 11.10 isnt the ubuntu+1 release anymore :P
[03:10] <cliffybx> ask #ubuntu
[03:10] <cliffybx> join # ubuntu
[03:10] <Resistance> cliffybx:  /join #ubuntu
[03:10] <Resistance> without the space before the /
[03:11] <cliffybx> join#ubuntu
[03:11] <Resistance> ...
[03:11] <Resistance> cliffybx:  "/join #ubuntu"
[03:11] <Resistance> everything within the quotes, just like i typed it
[03:11] <cliffybx> join/#ubuntu
[03:11] <Resistance> just without the quotes
[03:11] <Resistance> holy god...
[03:11]  * Resistance walks away
[03:11] <Resistance> not due to you, due to power issues...
[03:12] <Resistance> ugh, 3rd time today that breaker's tripped...
[03:12] <Resistance> cliffybx:  the / comes at the beginning of the entire statement.
[03:12] <Resistance> also, there's a space between join and #ubuntu
[03:12] <Daekdroom> Resistance, he's joined #ubuntu already
[03:12] <tnk1> anyone know a good torrent channel around here?
[03:12] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  lagginess :P
[03:12] <Resistance> Daekdroom:  courtesy of the fact my power's tripped three times today
[03:12] <Resistance> :P
[03:13] <Resistance> tnk1:  "torrent channel"?
[03:17] <bjsnider> Resistance, he was pushing your buttons
[03:17] <Resistance> *shrugs*
[03:17] <bjsnider> he joined +1 but had no idea how to join any other channel
[03:19] <tnk1> i was just wondering - 'cause seems isohunt is censored these days
[03:20] <Resistance> tnk1:  well torrent discussion isnt on topic for the ubuntu channels, and im' not sure whether you'll find any torrents discussion channel on freenode
[03:20] <Resistance> tnk1:  and they started censoring when the feds went after em a few years ago :P
[03:20] <Resistance> (in the US)
[03:23] <tnk1> hm. ok, better question.. anyone know how to use firefox with vidalia in the new ubuntu 11.10, which i updated to?
[03:23] <tnk1> apparently the vidalia icon in the status bar disappeared
[03:24] <micahg> tnk1: try View -> toolbars -> addon bar
[03:24] <micahg> tnk1: and 11.10 support is in #ubuntu
[03:25] <tnk1> micahg, i tried.. no go
[12:38] <penguin42> yofel: Morning Yofel - do you use multiple tabs on konsole? If so have you found that the ctrl-ageup/down has stopped working to switch?
[12:39] <yofel> usually I use yakuake+byobu, but in Konsole I can switch tabs with shift+left/right here
[12:40] <penguin42> hmm yes, that does work
[12:40] <penguin42> I wonder - was it a config I'd changed to make it match gnome-terminal that's disappeared?
[12:42] <penguin42> right, well added as alternate keystroke - heck I like that system
[12:45] <yofel> ^^
[12:45] <yofel> not sure if that changed, in yakuake shift+left/right has been the shortcut since ever, but I would assume the same thing to be true for konsole
[12:47] <penguin42> nod; I suspect sometime in the past I added as an alternate and it lost it in the last few days for some reason
[14:37] <bjsnider> !find /usr/lib/libltdl.la
[14:40] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[15:08] <samorian> any idea if the disk image for 12.04 is ever going to be shrunk down to be able to fit on a regular cd?
[15:09] <Ian_Corne> it should not
[15:09] <samorian> so it there is no plan to shrink it down?
[15:19] <Ian_Corne> no
[15:20] <samorian> that is too bad..
[16:34] <Daekdroom> !daily
[17:41] <iceroot> i dont see a reason to use cds anymore, isos and usb-sticks are fine
[17:41] <iceroot> also the minimal image does fit very well on a cd
[17:41] <penguin42> iceroot: Occasionally find a machine that won't USB boot
[17:41] <iceroot> penguin42: its harder to find a machine with cd-drive :)
[17:42]  * penguin42 does have a couple still
[17:42] <iceroot> all my netbooks and intel atom movie-pcs dont have a cd-drive :) but i see what you mean
[17:42] <iceroot> but because the minimal/alternate are fitting well on a cd i dont see a reason to shrink down the normal iso
[17:43] <penguin42> yeh if minimal/alternate are there that's fine
[17:43] <iceroot> time to put vim and gimp back in a normal installation :)
[17:43] <penguin42> isn't vim in default?!!!!
[17:43] <iceroot> and aptitude
[17:43] <iceroot> no
[17:43] <iceroot> just vim.tiny which is vi
[17:43] <penguin42> meh, that's fine - real men don't need modern comforts like arrow keys
[17:44] <iceroot> .....
[17:44] <iceroot> arent there more differences then just the keyboard-thing?
[17:45] <iceroot>        There are a lot of enhancements above Vi: multi level undo, multi windows and buffers,  syn‐
[17:45] <iceroot>        tax highlighting, command line editing, filename completion, on-line help, visual selection,
[17:45] <iceroot>        etc..  See ":help vi_diff.txt" for a summary of the differences between Vim and Vi.
[17:45] <iceroot> buffers are a must-have
[17:45] <iceroot> synhighlight of course too :)
[17:47] <penguin42> iceroot: Nod, it's just I started on vi ~23 years ago on a bad serial terminal, so while I like a bit of syntax highlighting, I've never really got used to the other vim features
[17:47] <iceroot> penguin42: even not visual-mode?
[17:48] <penguin42> haha, no I said vi not ex!
[17:48] <penguin42> although I can almost cope in open mode
[17:48] <iceroot> imo visual-mode = copy&paste
[17:49] <penguin42> oh, visual mode - sorry, I thought you meant something else
[17:49] <penguin42> no, never used that
[17:49] <iceroot> hm, ok
[17:49] <penguin42> iceroot: I know all the place marks with ` and fast forward backward searches with FfTt and can do most yanks that wa
[17:49] <penguin42> y
[17:50] <penguin42> iceroot: To be fair I should learn them
[17:50] <iceroot> penguin42: i like "vimtutor" very much
[17:50] <iceroot> but its teaching the vi-controls instead of the vim-controls
[17:50] <iceroot> but its a nice interactive manpage
[17:51] <penguin42> I just know as soon as I get into it someone will ask me to use an old box again
[17:51] <iceroot> :)
[17:51] <iceroot> luckily i dont have to fight with tty-systems
[17:51] <iceroot> always ssh or lxterminal directly
[17:52] <iceroot> and the first command is always "sudo apt-get install zsh vim" to have a usable system
[17:53] <Ian_Corne> vim for me
[17:53] <Ian_Corne> noy zsh
[17:53] <iceroot>  /flamemode  its said that you have to install 3 additional packages on ubuntu to have a good system vim,zsh and lubuntu-desktop
[17:54] <iceroot> sad
[17:55] <jtaylor> vim will be on the dvd now
[17:55] <iceroot> Ian_Corne: have a look at zsh, it has very nice features for a interactive-shell. tab is your very best friend
[17:55] <Ian_Corne> tried it
[17:55] <iceroot> jtaylor: any plans to put it on the regular cd too?
[17:55] <iceroot> the same for gimp
[17:55] <jtaylor> vim-tiny maybe but not all
[17:55] <Ian_Corne> and i'm used to unity+compiz now
[17:55] <iceroot> jtaylor: yeah that is the default now and vim.tiny == vi
[17:56] <jtaylor> isn't vim tiny vim without all the extras like source highlight and colorschemes?
[17:56] <iceroot> jtaylor: which is vi
[17:56] <iceroot> jtaylor: vim.tiny = controls without arrows
[17:57] <iceroot> imo vim.tiny is an alias for vi
[17:57] <iceroot> or symlink
[17:57] <jtaylor> I saw no plans to add regular vim to cd
[17:57] <iceroot> jtaylor: put the plan is to shrink it down to 700mb?
[17:58] <iceroot> if not i dont see a reason to not put vim as default
[17:59] <jtaylor> no idea, but vim is quite large
[17:59] <penguin42> and I think it has quite a few dependencies
[17:59] <iceroot> the same as vim.tiny i guess
[18:00] <iceroot> ah ok there are more
[18:00] <iceroot> vim-syntax-go - Syntax files to highlight Go in the Vim editor
[18:00] <iceroot> vim-addon-manager - manager of addons for the Vim editor
[18:00] <jtaylor> 8mb vs 500kb
[18:00] <iceroot> jtaylor: that is not a big deal
[18:00] <jtaylor> thats significant
[18:00] <iceroot> if the size doesnt matter
[18:00] <iceroot> on the iso
[18:00] <jtaylor> its still limited to 750mb
[18:01] <iceroot> 750?
[18:01] <jtaylor> the dvd is larger and that gets vim
[18:01] <penguin42> 8mb?! For vi!
[18:01] <iceroot> penguin42: vim! :)
[18:01] <penguin42> heck, if we're not careful it'll outgrow emacs
[18:03] <iceroot> emacs needs 30MB just to save all the shortcuts...
[19:50] <FernandoMiguel> good evening
[19:50] <FernandoMiguel> unity panel seems to be crashing here
[21:13] <airtonix> man i love gedit
[21:22] <bjsnider> gedit loves you too
[21:23] <FernandoMiguel> also, Joe
[21:51] <Ian_Corne> i'm more for geany airtonix
[23:17] <Fudge> penguin42  hey
[23:19] <Fudge> yesterday as we talked about i booted that amd64 alpha 1 on another pc here and it worked fine, still have not tried on this one yet again since had no eyes, but appears it may just be me :D
[23:46] <penguin42> hi Fudge
[23:47] <penguin42> Fudge: It's never just you - it might be something about your PC, someone else is bound to hit it
[23:48] <Fudge> I will stay on it then penguin42