[00:47] no alpha2 yet? [00:53] Fudge: no, not until Feb apparently. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule [00:55] tks funkyHat [00:55] i couldnt get the 64 alpha 1 to boot but 32 did [00:55] Fudge: Did you report it? [00:58] penguin42 yeah i discussed it in here but no one else I am aware of had the same issue [00:59] Have you tried the daily build? [00:59] Fudge: Ah but have you filed a LP bug report, and how exactly does it fail? [01:02] penguin42 no i didnt, i did not know why it failed as i can not read the screen, so had not enough information to report [01:03] Fudge: When you say you can't read it - you mean it is black/fuzzy/etc ? [01:04] no mate i am blind [01:04] well blind enough that i can not read anything on the screen [01:05] Fudge: Oh ok, hmm I know there are blind kernel devs so there are setups to help [01:05] you have had ssuccess with 64bit? [01:06] Fudge: Yeh I've got two machines running 64bit here [01:06] Fudge: Do you have a digital camera? [01:07] If you can get a picture of a crash screen I'd be happy to try and interpret it [01:08] thanx dude, I have a mate coming over later today, I will get him to read out errors. checksum is fine btw. [01:09] What's the hardware out of interest? [01:28] g31 intel core 2 duo e5200 i think [01:29] hmm shouldn't be that odd [01:30] agreed [01:30] im burning now, i have another machine i can try it on, i had not tried that before [01:36] but for me, time for bed [01:42] night mate === JontheEchidna is now known as JontheEnchidna === JontheEnchidna is now known as JontheEchidna === Guest5129 is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [03:04] bulldog98 [03:04] hello [03:04] anybody here [03:04] cliffybx: probably, but patience is recommended ;P [03:05] just because this channel doesnt seem active doesnt mean people arent checking it periodically :P [03:05] =) ok2.. [03:05] i understand=) [03:06] Resistance > do u use ubuntu [03:08] If you're trying to ask a question, go ahead. [03:08] cliffybx: yes i do, Ubuntu 11.04 with KDE interface ;P but if you have a question ask away :P [03:09] if you just want to chat, try #ubuntu-offtopic or #defocus :) [03:09] i use ubuntu 11.10 ..but it has problem with bluetooth..how to fix it? [03:09] cliffybx: ask #ubuntu [03:10] 11.10 isnt the ubuntu+1 release anymore :P [03:10] ask #ubuntu [03:10] join # ubuntu [03:10] cliffybx: /join #ubuntu [03:10] without the space before the / [03:11] join#ubuntu [03:11] ... [03:11] cliffybx: "/join #ubuntu" [03:11] everything within the quotes, just like i typed it [03:11] join/#ubuntu [03:11] just without the quotes [03:11] holy god... [03:11] * Resistance walks away [03:11] not due to you, due to power issues... [03:12] ugh, 3rd time today that breaker's tripped... [03:12] cliffybx: the / comes at the beginning of the entire statement. [03:12] also, there's a space between join and #ubuntu [03:12] Resistance, he's joined #ubuntu already [03:12] anyone know a good torrent channel around here? [03:12] Daekdroom: lagginess :P [03:12] Daekdroom: courtesy of the fact my power's tripped three times today [03:12] :P [03:13] tnk1: "torrent channel"? === voidmage is now known as ered [03:17] Resistance, he was pushing your buttons [03:17] *shrugs* [03:17] he joined +1 but had no idea how to join any other channel [03:19] i was just wondering - 'cause seems isohunt is censored these days [03:20] tnk1: well torrent discussion isnt on topic for the ubuntu channels, and im' not sure whether you'll find any torrents discussion channel on freenode [03:20] tnk1: and they started censoring when the feds went after em a few years ago :P [03:20] (in the US) [03:23] hm. ok, better question.. anyone know how to use firefox with vidalia in the new ubuntu 11.10, which i updated to? [03:23] apparently the vidalia icon in the status bar disappeared [03:24] tnk1: try View -> toolbars -> addon bar [03:24] tnk1: and 11.10 support is in #ubuntu [03:25] micahg, i tried.. no go === LjL^ is now known as LjL === nyuszika7h is now known as Mohan-chml === Mohan-chml is now known as nyuszika7h === yofel_ is now known as yofel [12:38] yofel: Morning Yofel - do you use multiple tabs on konsole? If so have you found that the ctrl-ageup/down has stopped working to switch? [12:39] usually I use yakuake+byobu, but in Konsole I can switch tabs with shift+left/right here [12:40] hmm yes, that does work [12:40] I wonder - was it a config I'd changed to make it match gnome-terminal that's disappeared? [12:42] right, well added as alternate keystroke - heck I like that system [12:45] ^^ [12:45] not sure if that changed, in yakuake shift+left/right has been the shortcut since ever, but I would assume the same thing to be true for konsole [12:47] nod; I suspect sometime in the past I added as an alternate and it lost it in the last few days for some reason [14:37] !find /usr/lib/libltdl.la [14:37] File /usr/lib/libltdl.la found in libltdl-dev [14:40] hehe [15:08] any idea if the disk image for 12.04 is ever going to be shrunk down to be able to fit on a regular cd? [15:09] it should not [15:09] so it there is no plan to shrink it down? [15:19] no [15:20] that is too bad.. [16:34] !daily [16:34] Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [17:41] i dont see a reason to use cds anymore, isos and usb-sticks are fine [17:41] also the minimal image does fit very well on a cd [17:41] iceroot: Occasionally find a machine that won't USB boot [17:41] penguin42: its harder to find a machine with cd-drive :) [17:42] * penguin42 does have a couple still [17:42] all my netbooks and intel atom movie-pcs dont have a cd-drive :) but i see what you mean [17:42] but because the minimal/alternate are fitting well on a cd i dont see a reason to shrink down the normal iso [17:43] yeh if minimal/alternate are there that's fine [17:43] time to put vim and gimp back in a normal installation :) [17:43] isn't vim in default?!!!! [17:43] and aptitude [17:43] no [17:43] just vim.tiny which is vi [17:43] meh, that's fine - real men don't need modern comforts like arrow keys [17:44] ..... [17:44] arent there more differences then just the keyboard-thing? [17:45] There are a lot of enhancements above Vi: multi level undo, multi windows and buffers, syn‐ [17:45] tax highlighting, command line editing, filename completion, on-line help, visual selection, [17:45] etc.. See ":help vi_diff.txt" for a summary of the differences between Vim and Vi. [17:45] buffers are a must-have [17:45] synhighlight of course too :) [17:47] iceroot: Nod, it's just I started on vi ~23 years ago on a bad serial terminal, so while I like a bit of syntax highlighting, I've never really got used to the other vim features [17:47] penguin42: even not visual-mode? [17:48] haha, no I said vi not ex! [17:48] although I can almost cope in open mode [17:48] imo visual-mode = copy&paste [17:49] oh, visual mode - sorry, I thought you meant something else [17:49] no, never used that [17:49] hm, ok [17:49] iceroot: I know all the place marks with ` and fast forward backward searches with FfTt and can do most yanks that wa [17:49] y [17:50] iceroot: To be fair I should learn them [17:50] penguin42: i like "vimtutor" very much [17:50] but its teaching the vi-controls instead of the vim-controls [17:50] but its a nice interactive manpage [17:51] I just know as soon as I get into it someone will ask me to use an old box again [17:51] :) [17:51] luckily i dont have to fight with tty-systems [17:51] always ssh or lxterminal directly [17:52] and the first command is always "sudo apt-get install zsh vim" to have a usable system [17:53] vim for me [17:53] noy zsh [17:53] /flamemode its said that you have to install 3 additional packages on ubuntu to have a good system vim,zsh and lubuntu-desktop [17:54] sad [17:55] vim will be on the dvd now [17:55] Ian_Corne: have a look at zsh, it has very nice features for a interactive-shell. tab is your very best friend [17:55] tried it [17:55] jtaylor: any plans to put it on the regular cd too? [17:55] the same for gimp [17:55] vim-tiny maybe but not all [17:55] and i'm used to unity+compiz now [17:55] jtaylor: yeah that is the default now and vim.tiny == vi [17:56] isn't vim tiny vim without all the extras like source highlight and colorschemes? [17:56] jtaylor: which is vi [17:56] jtaylor: vim.tiny = controls without arrows [17:57] imo vim.tiny is an alias for vi [17:57] or symlink [17:57] I saw no plans to add regular vim to cd [17:57] jtaylor: put the plan is to shrink it down to 700mb? [17:58] if not i dont see a reason to not put vim as default [17:59] no idea, but vim is quite large [17:59] and I think it has quite a few dependencies [17:59] the same as vim.tiny i guess [18:00] ah ok there are more [18:00] vim-syntax-go - Syntax files to highlight Go in the Vim editor [18:00] vim-addon-manager - manager of addons for the Vim editor [18:00] 8mb vs 500kb [18:00] jtaylor: that is not a big deal [18:00] thats significant [18:00] if the size doesnt matter [18:00] on the iso [18:00] its still limited to 750mb [18:01] 750? [18:01] the dvd is larger and that gets vim [18:01] 8mb?! For vi! [18:01] penguin42: vim! :) [18:01] heck, if we're not careful it'll outgrow emacs [18:03] emacs needs 30MB just to save all the shortcuts... [19:50] good evening [19:50] unity panel seems to be crashing here === Guest9494 is now known as Aranel [21:13] man i love gedit [21:22] gedit loves you too [21:23] also, Joe [21:51] i'm more for geany airtonix [23:17] penguin42 hey [23:19] yesterday as we talked about i booted that amd64 alpha 1 on another pc here and it worked fine, still have not tried on this one yet again since had no eyes, but appears it may just be me :D [23:46] hi Fudge [23:47] Fudge: It's never just you - it might be something about your PC, someone else is bound to hit it [23:48] I will stay on it then penguin42