[00:16] <ali1234> 3S might be SSSE3 (note extra S)
[00:17] <ali1234> it's an intel only extension
[00:17] <directhex> sexy streaming SIMD extensions 3
[00:18] <ali1234> also i can't play with my christmas present because fglrx sucks
[00:18] <ali1234> :(
[00:19] <penguin42> what was the present?
[00:19] <ali1234> a freeview HD dongle for my mythtv box
[00:19] <ali1234> which needs kernel 3.0
[00:20] <penguin42> which graphics card?
[00:20] <ali1234> radeon hd 5870
[00:20] <ali1234> it worked perfectly in natty
[00:20] <penguin42> the open driver should work for that; might not manage the high end game sutff, but for a mythtv it sohuld be happy
[00:21] <ali1234> stops working in oneiric
[00:21] <ali1234> there's a bug that says it is fixed in precise. the fix hasn't been SRU'd yet
[00:21] <ali1234> however, i then upgraded to precise and that doesnt work either
[00:22] <ali1234> does the open driver support hardware video decoding?
[00:22] <ali1234> cos the machine isn't powerful enough to play HD video in software
[00:22] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm fairly sure it does
[00:23] <penguin42> ali1234: You could always back port the Freeview HD adapter code to the older kernel
[00:24] <ali1234> i could if i hadn't already upgraded the machine
[00:24] <penguin42> ah
[00:24] <daftykins> ali1234: i feel your pain, i can't play with my present 'cause customs suck :D
[00:24] <ali1234> also have you tried backporting linuxtv drivers recently?
[00:24] <ali1234> ever since they switched to git it is almost impossible
[00:24] <ali1234> it's o longer supported basically
[00:24] <ali1234> they have a tool that's supposed to do it but it doesn't work
[00:24] <daftykins> maybe it's a Christmas to new year challenge!
[00:24] <ali1234> and if you point this out they tell you it's unsupported
[00:25] <penguin42> why? Git's pretty good at cherrypicking stuff from one branch to another
[00:25] <ali1234> yes but they don't work like that
[00:25] <ali1234> the problem isn't git
[00:25] <ali1234> the problem is the way they use it
[00:27] <ali1234> my old tuner needed it
[00:27] <ali1234> a driver that isn't upstreamed that is
[00:27] <ali1234> in the end i had to compile it out of tree because their build system is so bad
[00:28] <ali1234> you can cherry pick it into the ubuntu kernel tree but then you have to recompile the whole kernel every time
[00:28] <ali1234> if you just want to compile it against the distro headers... well it used to work with their old build system when they used hg
[00:29] <ali1234> but they rewrote it all when they switched to git
[00:29] <ali1234> then they wrote documentation
[00:29] <ali1234> then they rewrote it again, and didn't update the docs
[00:35] <daftykins> :(
[00:39] <daftykins> nothing worse than unavailable / bad docs
[00:48] <daftykins> right i'm gonna disappear from here
[00:48] <daftykins> g'night all o/
[00:48] <daftykins> penguin42: thanks again :>
[00:48] <penguin42> no prob
[01:23] <ali1234> i think i fixed it :)
[01:46] <ali1234> awesome it works
[01:49] <ali1234> now i just need to figure out how to make it play HD video at more than 10 fps which looks terrible
[03:49] <cliffybx> heloo
[09:06] <MooDoo> morning all
[09:09] <dwatkins> HIYA
[09:09] <dwatkins> oops, sorry for caps lock
[09:10] <AlanBell> morning
[09:10] <MooDoo> dwatkins: at work too?
[09:10] <dwatkins> MooDoo: no, I have a cold which woke me up early feeling ick :-/
[09:10]  * AlanBell is still in bed
[09:10] <MooDoo> pah!
[09:10] <dwatkins> I have tea, which helps any situation.
[09:11] <AlanBell> breakfast will be slices of left over christmas pud fried up in brandy butter
[09:12] <dwatkins> we have a huge chocolate cake
[09:13] <MooDoo> well i'm glad they made me come in today, i can finally have some sleep :s
[09:14] <dwatkins> I'll be spending the day watching TV and wondering if I should check my work e-mail
[09:14] <MooDoo> dwatkins: when you go back to work?
[09:14] <dwatkins> MooDoo: a week
[09:15] <MooDoo> then do it the day before you go back to work :D
[09:15] <dwatkins> hehe, yeah - that should do - anything important should get re-sent anyway (I have my out-of-office on)
[10:00] <daubers> morning
[10:01] <ubuntubhoy_> ello
[10:03] <ubuntubhoy_> anyone about who is proficient at fixing partitions/using testdisk ?
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> ubuntubhoy_: What happened?
[10:04] <ubuntubhoy_> they all got wiped, and I managed to restore them using testdisk, but they are not seen in gparted
[10:05] <ubuntubhoy_> or installer
[10:05] <ubuntubhoy_> but they do show in other apps
[10:05] <ubuntubhoy_> so they all mount for example
[10:05] <dwatkins> 'they'?
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> OK, have you tried restarting gparted?
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: the partitions, I geuss
[10:05] <ubuntubhoy_> yeah
[10:05] <dwatkins> ok cool, just making sure
[10:05] <ubuntubhoy_> this was about a month ago
[10:06] <ubuntubhoy_> was not an issue till I tried to install a distro yesterday
[10:06] <ubuntubhoy_> and installer refuses to read the table
[10:07] <dwatkins> if you can recreate the partition table exactly the way it was, you might be able to access the partitions again, but I'd check up on this
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: testdisk does that
[10:08] <ubuntubhoy_> yeah
[10:08] <dwatkins> ah ok
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: it looks for partition/fs signatures and recreates the parittion tables based on that
[10:08] <dwatkins> nifty
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> ubuntubhoy_: so did you reboot after running testdisk?
[10:08] <ubuntubhoy_> yeah
[10:09] <ubuntubhoy_> all the installs boot fine apart from 1 - Bodhi Linux
[10:09] <ubuntubhoy_> it has a crap out when trying to read the partition table
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> Might be that the partition wasn't recovered 100% correctly
[10:09] <ubuntubhoy_> yeah, thinking I maybe missed a step along the way
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> I think testdisk might have guessed wrong about the sizes then
[10:09] <dwatkins> what kind of partition/filesystem is it?
[10:10] <ubuntubhoy_> nah, I went through them manually checking before writing
[10:10] <ubuntubhoy_> dwatkins, single HDD with 3 primary, and a load of logical
[10:11] <dwatkins> ext2, ext3 etc.?
[10:11] <ubuntubhoy_> mix of a few diff
[10:11] <dwatkins> just wondering if it's different from the rest
[10:11] <dwatkins> also, did it boot ok before?
[10:11] <ubuntubhoy_> mostly ext4, but also swap, ntfs
[10:11] <ubuntubhoy_> still boots ok apart from Bodhi now
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> ubuntubhoy_: I'd get a large disk, make a backup using fsarchiver
[10:12] <ubuntubhoy_> win8, 2 Ubuntu & android
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> ubuntubhoy_: and then repartition manually and restore from that
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> (fsarchiver can handle resizes between backup/restore)
[10:12] <dwatkins> also make an off-site backup
[10:12] <ubuntubhoy_> MartijnVdS, thinking that might be the only option
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> ubuntubhoy_: messed-up partition tables are never fun :(
[10:13]  * MartijnVdS rebuilt several.. but that was from reading fdisk output from scrollback
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> THAT was a scary horu :)
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> horu
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> hour*
[10:13] <ubuntubhoy_> lol
[10:13] <dwatkins> can you mount the Bodhi partition manualy from another linux distro/boot cd?
[10:13] <ubuntubhoy_> might back up then give testdisk 1 last chance to re-write the table
[10:13] <ubuntubhoy_> dwatkins, yip
[10:13] <dwatkins> also, is the disk okay?
[10:13] <ubuntubhoy_> all data is there
[10:14] <ubuntubhoy_> and yes the disk is fine
[10:14] <ubuntubhoy_> just the table is messed up somewhere
[10:14] <dwatkins> is it GPT?
[10:14] <dwatkins> just wondering if the distro which can't read it is too old to read the type of partition table
[10:15] <ubuntubhoy_> no, its a new distro
[10:15] <dwatkins> ah ok
[10:15] <ubuntubhoy_> based from Ubuntu but with a LOT of changes
[10:16] <ubuntubhoy_> but as it uses E17 it mounts all partition RO at boot
[10:16] <ubuntubhoy_> think thats where the problem comes from
[10:18] <dwatkins> what's the exact error?
[10:19]  * MartijnVdS is off to do some familyish things
[10:21] <ubuntubhoy_> cant remember off the top of my head, but its a partition/disk not found thing
[10:22] <dwatkins> ah ok, not sure what you can do apart from rescue the data and reinstall :-/
[10:22] <ubuntubhoy_> yeah, am kinda resigned to it
[10:22] <ubuntubhoy_> just thought someone might know of a way to re-write the table
[10:22] <ubuntubhoy_> so its visible to everything again
[10:23] <ubuntubhoy_> as I say, will give testdisk another run before I wipe it
[10:23] <dwatkins> well you might get lucky by manually editing it, but it might make matters worse
[10:23] <dwatkins> perhaps this particular partition wasn't created correctly, not on the boundaries or something
[10:24] <ubuntubhoy_> maybe
[10:25] <ubuntubhoy_> but I think I will leave the manual edit alone
[10:25] <ubuntubhoy_> I know myself a little too well for that
[10:31] <ubuntubhoy_> feckin weird - fdisk finds them, but gparted has the HDD as un-allocated
[10:31] <dwatkins> hmm
[10:32] <dwatkins> might be something to do with where the partition layout is stored
[10:33] <MartijnVdS> fdisk is more forgiving of errors (overlaps, etc.)
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> no overlaps
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda1   *          63     2184811     1092374+   6  FAT16
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda2         2185216     2902015      358400    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda3         2902016   122660863    59879424    7  HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda4       122660874   488408129   182873628    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda5       122662912   184104959    30721024   83  Linux
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda6       184107008   238170111    27031552   83  Linux
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda7       238172160   286502911    24165376   83  Linux
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda8       286503273   378668114    46082421    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda9       378671104   400685055    11006976   83  Linux
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda10      400687104   476110847    37711872    c  W95 FAT32 (LBA)
[10:40] <ubuntubhoy_> /dev/sda11      476112896   488396783     6141944   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[10:41] <ubuntubhoy_> none that I can see anyway
[10:41] <ubuntubhoy_> infact
[10:41] <ubuntubhoy_> sda9 starts before sda8 finishes
[10:41] <ubuntubhoy_> could be that ?
[10:51] <daubers> !pastebin
[10:52] <monsterwizard> lol boxing day
[11:12] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> howdy brobostigon
[11:13] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[11:17] <MooDoo> morning
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: moorning :)
[11:18] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> I fixed my turntable hood :)
[11:34] <MartijnVdS> now it doesn't drop randomly anymore
[11:35] <brobostigon> :)
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> \o/ neodymium magnets + some sugru
[11:51] <daubers> \o/ models sprayed
[11:52] <MooDoo> :)
[11:54] <daubers> Anyone have any experience of magnifying lamps?
[11:56] <daubers> or know the cheapest place to get MDF in reading :)
[12:03] <SuperEngineer> morning all
[12:03] <SuperEngineer> whoops, just seen time - afternoon all!
[12:03] <MartijnVdS> howdy SuperEngineer
[12:04] <SuperEngineer> o/ hi MartijnVdS
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> Hmm
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> webm encoding is a LOT faster than H264
[12:04] <MartijnVdS> for the same resolution
[12:05] <SuperEngineer> Thought for the day : Investigations are under way after an explosion and fire at a takeaway kebab shop
[12:06] <SuperEngineer> dear kebab shop customer... leave the shop before eating product next time!
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[12:51] <zleap> hi
[13:33] <SuperEngineer> Wow... a new tech twist of the office party bum on photocopier:  http://tinyurl.com/cvd3c3u
[13:34] <penguin42> that's not the most promising introduction to a URL I've heard
[13:34] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[13:37] <SuperEngineer> [sometimes Slashdot deals up a real funny... if they did but know it
[13:38] <SuperEngineer> ...& it's better than their normal boring stuff
[13:42] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: Sorry, that reminds me of the scene out of Monsters v Aliens yesterday
[13:43] <SuperEngineer> penguin... which had the pressure sensors?
[13:43] <SuperEngineer> penguin42... which had the pressure sensors?
[13:43] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: No, an arse scan
[13:43] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: After iris, hand, and just about everything else :-)
[13:43] <SuperEngineer> *bib* lol
[15:42] <zleap> hello
[15:42] <Nafallo> zleap: sorry. no paper.
[15:43] <zleap> np
[15:43] <zleap> is this related to my saving paper comment
[15:44] <Nafallo> yes
[16:03] <zleap> lol
[16:03] <zleap> hopefully i can get the printer working, in the mean time i am notprinting stuff out as much
[16:11] <Nafallo> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-16334214
[16:16] <zleap> this country is getting worse
[16:17] <Nafallo> yeah :-(
[16:18] <penguin42> I mean there was also someone shot in salford, but hey that's salford - you expect that type of thing....
[16:19] <shauno> that's the odd thing .. shootings in manchester just make people nostalgic
[16:19] <zleap> thing is you are meant to get something like 4 years in Jail for carrying a knife
[16:19] <penguin42> shauno: Hey! Don't you go confusing salford and manchester now!
[16:19] <zleap> but it seems that is rarely handed out
[16:19] <zleap> people that stab others end up with just ovdr 4 years
[16:20] <Nafallo> the sick thing is the place and circumstances it feels like.
[16:20] <Nafallo> bright daylight and 1000s of people around.
[16:20] <penguin42> zleap: The problem is you have to end up with an ordering so that carrying a knife < stabbing someone < murder    which is difficult
[16:20] <Nafallo> s/bright/broad/
[16:21]  * penguin42 wonders which sale bargain they were fighting over
[16:21] <zleap> you need consistancy
[16:21] <zleap> you need the idea,  YOU WILL get 4 years,   not may, might, could ,  etc
[16:22] <shauno> I'm not sure finding more reasons to imprison people is the right answer.  the easy answer, but not the right one.  but figuring out what actually drives that culture is easier said than done
[16:22] <penguin42> the problem is if you have thousands of people carrying knives you can't stuff them all in prison for long times
[16:22] <zleap> some carry for self defence
[16:22] <zleap> so in that case teach self defence in schools
[16:23] <zleap> just something basic i come at you with a knifek you disarm me
[16:23] <shauno> a knife isn't self defence.  carrying a knife just increases the chance you'll get stabbed with your own knife.
[16:23] <penguin42> it's probably better to run away
[16:23] <Nafallo> some have to carry tools for work, just saying.
[16:23] <zleap> well if you need stuff for work then they are in a tool box usualy
[16:24] <Nafallo> not always, no.
[16:24] <zleap> ok if your part of a trade you have documentaton don't you,  common sense should also apply
[16:24] <penguin42> it's a shame, you can't even carry a microleatherman any more without getting hastled
[16:25] <zleap> yeah  but to add to my last comment police + common sense = what planet you on
[16:25] <zleap> same goes for courts
[16:25] <shauno> my brother used to take his kitchen knives wrapped in this cloth roll thing.  if you made that a legit defence, everyone would just have those with their street weapons.  which is why "you will get 4 years" never pans out in the real world
[16:26] <zleap> so you need harsh sentances for those that use them
[16:26] <zleap> but as you said look at the underlying cause,
[16:28] <zleap> ok looka t drugs if get caught with say cocainel or heroin you are meant to get 7 years,   however if your pete docherty you don't  so there is no consistnancy in sentancijg
[16:32] <zleap> talking of salford http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-16331668
[16:32] <penguin42> yeh, that's why I mentioned it up there ^
[16:33] <shauno> I think there's very few things which custodial sentences are a good solution to
[16:35] <penguin42> shauno: They're good for keeping people who kill or hurt stopping them doing it
[16:35] <zleap> how about protecting the public
[16:36] <shauno> keeping violent offenders out the way I'd agree with.  but for possession?
[16:37] <zleap> it depends on where on your person it is
[16:38] <zleap> if its in a bag,  and you are transporting that is different to keeping it under a coat
[16:38] <zleap> or jacket,
[16:38] <shauno> I knew a guy in the US who got 3 years for posession of a controlled substance.  he came back out with a swastika tattooed on the back of his head.  I'd love to know what that sentence solved.
[16:38] <zleap> in the uS you can carry guns, or have guns at home but YOU have to keep them, locked away
[16:39] <zleap> perhaps there are different forms of incarceration
[16:40] <penguin42> shauno: That's the problem with the fixed sentences - you want to give teh sentence depending on what a judge thinks the likelihood fo them hurting someone is
[16:40] <penguin42> shauno: Sometimes they'll get it wrong, but it's better to let some judgement into it
[16:41] <zleap> in norway they rarely lock people up for long periods look at what happened on the summer camp
[16:43] <zleap> i can understand how unemployment and bad education can contribute to all this
[16:44] <zleap> but some of the stuff i read about employers moaning about young peoples work ethic makes you wonder if they want people with skills make it clear what attitudes and skills you need
[16:45] <zleap> make it clear to the schools so they can pass this on at an early age
[16:45] <shauno> it's precisely because it's unheard of there that made that such a big deal
[16:45] <shauno> the US loves to shove anyone in prison for almost any reason they can, and they still have some fairly horrific shootings
[16:45] <penguin42> you've got to be a bit careful because not all employers want the same thing
[16:45] <shauno> it's really difficult to claim a trend off one event
[16:46] <zleap> i agree its basic stuff like teamwork,  co-operation able to turn up on time etc
[16:46] <zleap> right down to basic reading / writing
[16:48] <zleap> it is about confidence, you may not be able to add up very wel but if you work in say engineering you il HAVE to learn stuff,  with that reason in mind it is an incentive
[16:48] <zleap> all you need is a chance to leanr and practise skills
[16:48] <lazarus_> i have a spare laptop idk what to do with
[16:48] <zleap> hmm
[16:49] <zleap> spare laptops are useful if your other one fails
[16:51] <zleap> anyway i got 2 go,  back later
[16:51] <zleap> will stay logged n just will be away from keyboard
[16:55] <shauno> I keep meaning to turn my old laptop into a media player, but never seem to get around to it
[17:09] <Azelphur> stupid chrome, I try to search for http code 302, it sees that I'm typing http, autocompletes it to youtube.com, and then when I hit space it tries to search youtube.com
[17:09] <Azelphur> \o/
[17:13] <shauno> odd, doesn't do that here  (it gives up trying to autocomplete when I put a space after http)
[17:13] <Azelphur> fun, perhaps it's because I visit youtube more frequently
[17:14] <Azelphur> In other news, anyone here happen to be any good at drupal module development? I'm having some weird behaviour from it :s
[17:15] <Azelphur> if I use file_get_contents my code works fine, if I use drupal_http_request, the webserver rejects my query, even though both are using exactly the same stream_context_create
[17:34]  * SuperEngineer has just realised how bad upload speed is  [trying 1.1GB of photos to u1] - 56kb/sec is very best & occasional
[17:35] <penguin42> on cable?
[17:36] <SuperEngineer> on BT
[17:36] <penguin42> hmm, I guess it depends on your DSL - I get 1mbps upstream, so it can manage a massive 100kb/sec on a good day
[17:36] <SuperEngineer> ...but I'm not exactly town centre or local to an exchange ;)
[17:40] <daubers> any advice on books for starting with GL?
[17:41] <MarkDude> Any of you nice folks coming to SCALE?
[17:41] <MarkDude> Southern California Linux?
[17:54] <SuperEngineer> [on the good side, I've realised why Feja Dup has a "Resume Later" button]
[17:55] <SuperEngineer> *Deja
[18:14] <directhex> i get 8mbit up on bt
[18:18] <SuperEngineer> directhex, showoff! ;)
[18:22] <directhex> daubers, you know how GL works conceptually?
[18:22] <daubers> directhex: Nope :)
[18:22] <directhex> daubers, you squash and rotate the entire universe to make things happen :)
[18:23] <popey> evening
[18:23] <popey> maybe buy the one that our very own luke wrote?
[18:23] <popey> 'beginning opengl game programming'
[18:23] <daubers> Oooooh
[18:24]  * daubers lookies on amazon
[18:24] <mgdm> I know how to do a bit of OpenGL, but I've no idea about all the new-style shaders etc
[18:25] <mgdm> keep meaning to learn, but I run out of round tuits
[18:27] <daubers> directhex: Isn't that the same as programming with java?
[18:28] <directhex> heh
[18:29] <daubers> Hmm.... amazon have it, waterstones don'
[18:29] <daubers> t
[18:29] <dwatkins> teapot()
[18:30] <daubers> is that kazade wrote that book?
[18:30] <dwatkins> I have the OpenGL "red book" somewhere, it's great.
[18:30] <daubers> I have a very old version of that that I never got to grips with when I bought it. Now I know more, hopefully it'll make more sense
[18:35]  * directhex moos. moo
[18:37] <daubers>  _____
[18:37] <daubers> < Moo >
[18:37] <daubers>  -----
[18:37] <daubers>         \   ^__^
[18:37] <daubers>          \  (oo)\_______
[18:37] <daubers>             (__)\       )\/\
[18:37] <daubers>                 ||----w |
[18:37] <daubers>                 ||     ||
[18:37] <Azelphur> popey: been meaning to link this one to you, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLgL3t5Vigc
[18:38] <Azelphur> think you'll like it lol
[18:41] <Azelphur> dinner time for me, be back in a bit :)
[18:45] <SuperEngineer> daubers, cowsays - hey! either put my udders in the right place or stop playing with them!
[19:08] <daubers> Hmmm... if I could get this book from someone other than amazon I'd order it now... but it doesn't appear at waterstones
[19:09] <daubers> smiths have it
[19:10] <daubers> bah, why do amazon have to have such rubbish delivery agents
[19:14] <mgdm> anyone here running Cyanogenmod?
[19:14] <bigcalm_lappy> o/
[19:15] <bigcalm_lappy> Sup?
[19:15] <mgdm> bigcalm_lappy: what launcher and dialer are you using?
[19:15] <bigcalm_lappy> Whatever the default is
[19:15] <mgdm> fairy nuff :)
[19:15] <bigcalm_lappy> awe I guess
[19:15] <mgdm> wondering if there was naything worthwhile else
[19:15] <bigcalm_lappy> Ah, possibly. Though I think they are not free
[19:16] <bigcalm_lappy> Nothing wrong with that of course
[19:16] <mgdm> you on the stock MP3 player too?
[19:18] <bigcalm_lappy> Aye, though I only use Spotify for playing music
[19:18] <bigcalm_lappy> Oh, and Tunein Radio
[19:25] <directhex> android :(
[19:27] <bigcalm_lappy> Sad face to every different OS
[19:27] <bigcalm_lappy> Use what you're happy using :)
[19:43] <penguin42> mgdm: I just use the default on cyanogenmod - you could try asking in #cyanogenmod (although it's completely mad in there :-)
[19:45] <popey> Evening all.
[20:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Im a wedding photographer - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/09/17/im-a-wedding-photographer-in-hampshire/
[20:04] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Michelle and Simon - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2011/10/01/michelle-and-simon/
[20:09] <Azelphur> Anyone got a clever idea how I can plot when a specific node in a traceroute stops responding?
[20:09] <Azelphur> There's a switch right near my server that's causing no end of problems, I want to start profiling it
[20:15] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: traceroute works by playing tricks with TTL
[20:16] <Azelphur> indeed
[20:16] <gordonjcp> maybe you can ping the switch with a specific TTL
[20:16] <Azelphur> good idea
[20:16] <Azelphur> Not sure what I should do with my host tbh, they seem to almost daily have 1-20 minutes downtime, they say they are under denial of service attacks
[20:18] <gordonjcp> I take it you can't directly ping the switch?
[20:18] <Azelphur> I probably can actually, I suppose that's easiest
[20:19] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: actually, the problem with that is that I wouldn't get a response if my connection was playing up :p
[20:19] <Azelphur> I want to only log when it gets all the way up to that hop, and then stops
[20:26] <Azelphur> http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=7870887#post7870887 is what keeps happening \o/
[20:27] <tonytiger> Hmm, blog burp
[20:28]  * daubers ponders making some tea
[20:37]  * daubers gives up and places a book order
[20:40] <MartijnVdS> daubers: is amazon really that bad?
[20:44] <daubers> MartijnVdS: It's not really amazon. It's just their choice of delivery company. Of the last 9 things I ordered on amazon, I had to collect 7 and didn't have a card through the door for a single one
[20:44] <daubers> when I rang up and asked t have a different delivery company deliver stuff they told me they don't do that. Haven;t ordered a physical product from them since
[20:47] <daubers> used to use a nice little bookshop in town, but that went out of business, so mostly get dead tree books from waterstones now
[20:56]  * StevenR has too many books
[20:57] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: yay for crying about it :P
[20:57] <Azelphur> I think I'll send them another mail and ask for progress on fixing it
[20:58] <Azelphur> also nice servers you have there, got anything in the NY/NJ sort of area?
[20:59] <AlanBell> popey: I got that book for christmas
[21:00] <AlanBell> the opengl one by kazade
[21:00] <bigcalm_lappy> Good evening peeps and Merry Crimble :)
[21:05] <daubers> AlanBell: Is it a good for beginners book?
[21:26] <brobostigon> interesting, my new tablet, has a 3400mah battery, my phone only has a 1250mah battery, makes sense though.
[21:27] <popey> AlanBell: oh, nice!
[21:27] <Azelphur> brobostigon: you can often get really strong batteries on ebay cheap for phones
[21:27] <popey> I got a book - 1001 Video Games You Must Play Before You Die.
[21:27] <Azelphur> brobostigon: I've got a 3500mAh in my phone (Stock is 1100)
[21:28] <brobostigon> Azelphur: agreed, i did consider such, but it would have aded axtra depth to my phone, which is undesirable.
[21:28] <Azelphur> indeed
[21:28] <Azelphur> brobostigon: check out mugen power they do batteries that fit in the stock case and have a bit more bang too
[21:28] <brobostigon> Azelphur: my htc g1 is big enough.
[21:28] <Azelphur> pfft, it can always be bigger
[21:28] <Azelphur> I used extended battery in mine
[21:28] <brobostigon> Azelphur: i did several moths ago, already.
[21:30] <brobostigon> Azelphur: anyway, it was simply an observation.
[21:30] <Azelphur> fair enough :)
[21:30] <brobostigon> :)
[21:30] <popey> brobostigon: what tablet did you get?
[21:31] <brobostigon> popey: my dad got me the scroll 7 inch capacative.
[21:31] <popey> ah
[21:32] <brobostigon> i would have prefferred having honeycomb or ics though than gingerbread,
[21:33] <popey> can you flash it?
[21:33] <brobostigon> yes.
[21:33] <brobostigon> it has an engineering bootloader as shipped.
[21:38]  * daubers needs to acquire some insulating board, mdf and chocolate blocks tomorrow
[21:46] <MartijnVdS> daubers: you're going to build a gingerbread house? ;)
[21:47] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Nah, just wargaming board
[21:47] <daubers> s
[21:47] <MartijnVdS> from chocolate?
[21:47] <daubers> chocolate blocks are those little plastic things with screw holes for joining wood
[21:47] <penguin42> A chocolate block does not have chocolate
[21:48] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: blocks of chocolate do though
[21:48] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Indeed, they're much better
[21:48]  * daubers heads to bed
[21:48] <daubers> night all
[21:49] <brobostigon> popey: issue being, i could, i just need to work out, how to do a build, supporting hw properly.
[21:50]  * brobostigon has moved into the modern age, a linux based tablet. from his n800.
[21:52] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kroonsteen ?
[21:52] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Yes
[21:53] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: strange name for it :)
[21:53] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: What does  'Kroonsteen' literally translate as?
[21:54] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Think of the small blocks in a bar of chocolate dividing it, it looks similar from the top
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: "crown stone", from the Dutch word for chandelier
[21:55] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: What a strange name for it :-)
[21:55] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: well they used to have porcelain ones to light up chandeliers when electricity was very new :)
[21:56] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: in Belgium they're apparently called something like "sugar cubes"
[21:58] <popey> we often abbreviate them to choc-block
[21:59] <penguin42> ironic, the Dutch and Belgians make much better chocolate
[21:59] <popey> my first car was held together with them ☺
[22:00] <MartijnVdS> I only have a few in some light fixtures
[22:00] <penguin42> they're very useful with two halves of a 3 wire serial lead; you can swap it round
[22:01] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I've used stereo 3.5mm plugs for that :)
[22:02] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:RS232_PCI-E.jpg
[22:02] <MartijnVdS> there's no kill like overkill :)
[22:03] <penguin42> what a damn odd way of doing it
[22:03] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I had some spare audio extension wire and needed to get serial to the other end of the house
[22:04] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: worked fine :)
[22:04] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: No, I meant the odd build of that PCI-e card
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> oh
[22:06] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: I don't get it - why go from PCI-e -> PCI -> Serial - with as far as I can tell a chip that only does one uart, and then have space for about 4 connectors on it?
[22:06] <MartijnVdS> it looks like it could support another serial port and a parallel one
[22:07] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Which is why I expected that chip to be a serial/parallel/everything chip - but it's just a uart by the looks of the datasheet
[22:07]  * penguin42 disappears for a while
[22:59] <palnj> yum
[22:59] <penguin42> no, apt