[02:38] <Fudge> hi does the contorl S to enable accessibility work for xubuntu precise alpha 1 as well? I am downloading it and am unsure how to enable orca or even if it is installed on the default image
[04:21] <Fudge> cant mount iso unknown filesystem iso9660
[06:55] <Ben64> How can I get 12.04 to look and feel more like 10.04
[06:56] <Ben64> my panel is completely missing, unity is kinda laggy, and not very intuitive
[07:49] <Fudge> Ben64  its prob more a question for #ubuntu but consider looking at gonme-fallback
[07:52] <Fudge> gnome-fallback
[07:52] <Fudge> Ben64  after a bit of use you might decide like a lot of people that unity is pretty cool
[07:53] <Ben64> its unusable in the current state, i need to have a bottom panel
[08:35] <Ian_Corne> why?
[08:41] <Ben64> because I like having a bottom panel
[08:44] <Stanley00> Ben64: then, you can use lxde or some others than unity
[08:45] <Ben64> :|
[08:45] <Stanley00> Ben64: It was told that you can make the launcher go to the bottom, but it's not official.
[08:47] <robin0800> Ben64: there is a ppa to do that see webupd8
[08:47] <Ben64> I like Ubuntu because I can customize everything. Having a desktop environment where I cannot change things seems like a step backwards.
[08:52] <Stanley00> Ben64: ya, ubuntu is aim for end user now, I think
[08:57] <micahg> not every piece of software in Ubuntu is guaranteed to be customizable (you're still free to install what you want and hack on it as well since it's open source)
[08:58] <micahg> GNOME has also started to hide options
[08:59] <micahg> but if there's a missing feature you think would be useful for people, feel free to file a bug
[09:03] <Ben64> http://www.ben64.com/customize.png
[09:03] <Ben64> that was in 10.04, would be nice in 12.04
[09:08] <Stanley00> Ben64: now, you cant do that in gnome3 too...
[09:09] <Ben64> yes, disappointing
[09:13] <Stanley00> Ben64: so, if you miss some thing like that, lxde, or xfce will be what you need...
[09:14] <Stanley00> Ben64: ah, just remember that you can add theme to gnome3 via gnome-tweak-tool, so is unity...
[09:28] <iceroot> can someone please test this on a ubuntu system (ubuntu-desktop with gnome/unity) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/deja-dup/+bug/908915
[09:30] <orated> Which kernel is alpha Precise using?
[09:30] <iceroot> orated: 3.2.0-6-generic
[09:31] <orated> ty
[09:33] <iceroot> orated: latest dist-upgrade is pulling 3.2.0-7
[09:36] <orated> iceroot: Is there any website giving such information? I see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/TechnicalOverview/Alpha1 saying 3.2 rc3 and the blueprint page is not opening here ...
[09:37] <iceroot> orated: packages.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <iceroot> orated: there you can search for "linux-image"
[09:37] <iceroot> !info linux-image precise
[09:38] <micahg> ‍'rmadison -s precise linux' should suffice (rmadison is in devscripts)
[09:40] <orated> Thanks
[09:40] <iceroot> micahg: its something like "apt-cache search" for different releases?
[09:41] <ircrob> mountall should not depend on plymouth
[09:41] <micahg> iceroot: sort of, it just returns names/release/version, not descriptions though
[09:41] <iceroot> micahg: ah good to know, thanks
[09:41] <orated> It displays which package version is registered per architecture/component/suite
[09:42] <ircrob> plymouth is optional, but cannot purge
[09:42] <orated> New to me too, thanks
[09:42] <micahg> plymouth is not optional in Ubuntu
[09:42] <ircrob> yes it is
[09:43] <micahg> no, it's not
[09:44] <ircrob> dpkg -s plymouth says optional
[09:46] <micahg> seems like a bug, apt-cache show plymouth says required
[09:46] <ircrob> plymouth not needed for CLI
[09:46] <micahg> not needed, maybe, we don't support it not being there though AFAIK
[09:48] <ircrob> why have a CLI ?
[09:48] <ircrob> if you cannot purge plymouth
[09:48] <iceroot> imo the server-edition is using plymouth
[09:50] <ircrob> can we get rid of the mountall depends on plymouth
[09:53] <ircrob> like to see what is happening when booting, plymouth blanks screen
[09:53] <micahg> no
[09:53] <ircrob> why ?
[09:54] <micahg> it's considered core to the Ubuntu boot process (there's still a way to see what's going on, I don't know what it is offhand)
[09:55] <ircrob> for all the graphical crap at bootup
[09:56] <ircrob> CLI does not need
[09:56] <micahg> this discussion has happened multiple times in #ubuntu-devel (logs on irclogs.ubuntu.com)
[09:57] <iceroot> ircrob: the default cli-edition (server) needs it
[09:57] <iceroot> there is no real cli-boot by default on ubuntu
[09:57] <iceroot> so you cant remove that dependency
[09:59] <ircrob> mountall does not get any info from plymouth
[10:00] <iceroot> ircrob: i would suggest a bug on that (if not already exist) is a good way to start a discussion
[10:00] <ircrob> mounting depends on udev
[10:03] <ircrob> tryed changing /etc/rcS but screen still blanks
[10:05] <ircrob> tryed changing /etc/default/rcS but screen still blanks
[10:40] <Ben64> How can I make the update-notifier icon appear when _any_ updates are available?
[11:35] <aguitel> 12.04 will be gnome 2.x ?
[11:35] <Ian_Corne> No
[11:35] <micahg> aguitel: GNOME 3.2
[11:36] <aguitel> micahg, this is error ,gnome 2.x is great and there is necessary some option to install gnome 2.x
[11:37] <micahg> aguitel: GNOME 2.x is unsupported (GNOME doesn't even support it anymore), Xfce is a similar desktop to GNOME 2 for people who don't want to try something new
[11:38] <micahg> aguitel: gnome-fallback is similar in GNOME 3
[11:38] <aguitel> micahg, ok
[13:29] <gnomefreak> anyone been to art.gnome.org recently?
[13:29]  * penguin42 hadn't
[13:32] <gnomefreak> penguin42: do you know if we still have that package? im looking through all gnome apps/themes/ect... to find it since the search for gnome-art/gnomeart/art doesnt pull anything up
[13:32] <pangolin> not in a long while
[13:32] <gnomefreak> we havent had it for a while?
[13:33] <gnomefreak> where int he hell have i been :(
[13:33] <gnomefreak> s/int he/in the
[13:33] <pangolin> no no, I meant I haven't been to the site in a long while
[13:33] <gnomefreak> it seems you can no longer search on gnome art site
[13:33] <gnomefreak> pangolin: ah
[13:36] <pangolin> not seeing any "gnome art" package either though
[14:30] <gnomefreak> there were 2 sites for gnome art/themes. what is the other one (not gnome art)
[14:30] <gnomefreak> nevermind its gnome look
[14:34] <gnomefreak>  neither site is worth it :(
[14:38] <robin0800_> gnomefreak: webupd8 seem to showcase a lot of gnome shell themes
[14:39] <gnomefreak> i found desktopnexus also seems to have alot of wallpapers at least. i will check out webupd8 in a few thanks
[15:08] <orated> Is it advisable to use                 kjhgfdsaqwer             mbmnnjkjkjhjgfgdfs
[15:08] <orated> sorry
[15:10] <orated> Is it advisable to use Precise daily build over aplha1?
[15:11] <orated> (Sorry, I just while typing that spacebar key was making noise which is why my first post ..)
[15:12] <orated> just noticed*
[15:12] <jtaylor> its basically the same
[15:12] <jtaylor> you just save some updating after install with the daily
[15:12] <jtaylor> and there is a higher risk that the install will fail
[15:12] <jtaylor> but after that no difference
[15:14] <orated> So daily build is updated regularly and in the process will cross alpha, beta releases till final but using alpha release will require go through release upgrades individually?
[15:16] <jtaylor> yes except you will need "release-upgrades" (= apt-get dist-upgrade) all the time as the archive changes
[15:16] <orated> on?
[15:16] <orated> alpha
[15:16] <jtaylor> alphas and betas are basically better tested installation isos and workflow changing points
[15:17]  * gnomefreak doesnt recommend upgradingt at this time
[15:17] <orated> Ok. Secondly, I see file format .OVERSIZED in cdimage.ubuntu.com site for Precise
[15:17] <gnomefreak> s/upgradingt/upgrading
[15:17] <jtaylor> it means it won't fit on a regular cd
[15:17] <orated> What is it?
[15:17] <orated> Yes
[15:18] <gnomefreak> daily desktop ISO is correct size as of about an hour or 2
[15:18] <orated> But how to use that file format? It even say 0 size
[15:18] <jtaylor> daily builds are not guranteed to fit on a cd
[15:18] <jtaylor> alpha beta's are (at least in the past)
[15:18] <gnomefreak> the alternate iso is too big. just burn it to dvd instead of cd
[15:18] <jtaylor> or use an usb stick
[15:19] <gnomefreak> orated: if you need that pc running do not upgrade/install 12.04 yet
[15:19] <orated> Well, I read the warning but I don't get the point of including a file with format .OVERSIZED inspite of having warning
[15:19] <robin0800_> gnomefreak: the alpha alternate fits on cd
[15:19] <orated> gnomefreak: Yes, I'm only trying it on other system for testing and hoping to give some inputs
[15:19] <gnomefreak> robin0800_: it was updated than
[15:19] <jtaylor> its just a way of warning the downloaders
[15:19] <jtaylor> the real file is the iso
[15:20] <orated> yes
[15:20] <orated> but warning is all clear in red text
[15:20]  * gnomefreak smoke
[15:21] <orated> Ok, maybe some directly jumpt to cdimages section that that may hint them than the text. No issues
[15:21] <orated> Thanks
[15:52] <orated> For running Kubuntu 12.04 should I download image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ? Both sites have same filename for the iso I'm looking for. Is the image file same and the user get to choose in the installer what kind of desktop environment to install ?
[15:56] <BluesKaj> Hey All
[15:56] <bjsnider> orated, the latter site has the kubuntu-desktop packages, not the former
[15:56] <bjsnider> orated, you can tell by looking at the manifest list
[16:08] <bjsnider> but of course no one should really want to install and use kde
[16:08] <bjsnider> it's just not the thing to do
[16:12] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, well, it's the thing to do in my case ...kde is the only desktop I like .
[17:05] <bjsnider> yes but you're mistaken
[17:18] <orated> bjsnider: Thanks. Its for the user to decide which desktop environment to user primarily; which varies from person to person
[17:43] <penguin42> anyone else here got Unity running on PP? I'd like to know whether windows resize actively or just show you an outline
[17:51]  * penguin42 wonders why digikam got uninstalled
[18:32] <atif> hello everyone
[18:35] <atif> i tried to install 12.04 daily buid but it didnot detect my nvdia Geforce 6200 drivers and said that i have to manually configure driver
[18:35] <atif> why is that ?
[22:25] <Kurdistan> hi guys/girls will the patched kernel (for battery-time) be ready for use in 12.04?
[22:39] <piero> Is Ubuntu going to support gnome-shell software rendering like fedora?
[22:50] <bjsnider> piero, i think the answer is yes, eventually
[22:51] <bjsnider> the fallback session code will be abandoned, if it isn't already, upstream
[22:51] <piero> thanks
[22:58] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: I still have it lol
[22:58] <FernandoMiguel> used it yesterday
[22:59] <FernandoMiguel> since unity was crashing
[23:00] <bjsnider> well, it's not a longterm thing