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thewrathhello all01:39
stlsaintthewrath: sup man02:04
thewrathnothign much02:05
thewrathu?02:05
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thewrathi have a server i have iptables enabled with the default rule as drop04:53
thewrathi need to get on the machine04:53
thewrathhow can i bypass iptables04:53
holsteinthewrath: can you go to the box?04:54
holsteinif not, you might have to 'call in' or whatever04:54
thewraththe only chain is this "04:54
thewrathiptables -P INPUT DROP04:54
thewraththat will drop all connections coming in right?04:55
holsteinnot sure... i dont use it.. i thought you were lockec out04:55
holsteinlocked*04:55
thewrathi am not locked out as i believe iptables is dropping all connections04:56
thewrathdoes that make sense holstein04:58
holsteinthewrath: im sure it does.. i just dont use iptables04:59
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thewrathdo you know collinp ?06:12
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collinpHi.06:12
collinpWhat's up?06:12
IAmNotThatGuythewrath: Hi06:21
IAmNotThatGuyand wb collinp =]06:21
collinpThanks :)06:21
collinpI see the team has changed quite a bit since I've been gone.06:21
IAmNotThatGuyhehe. Yep =]06:22
thewrath iptables -P INPUT DROP06:22
thewrathdoes what06:22
thewrathhey IAmNotThatGuy06:22
thewrath iptables -P INPUT DROP will drop all traffic coming in as it is the sole policy06:23
stlsaintcollinp: yo yo yo06:26
stlsaintcollinp: surprise you remember the name of these channels ;)06:26
collinp:P lol.06:28
IAmNotThatGuyLOL06:28
seidostrying to use wget to download all files from bazaar tree, but it's not working07:55
seidosi'm doing wget -r -nH -m <url>07:55
stlsaintseidos: what is the tree link?07:56
seidosi know i've done it before, but i didn't save the code07:56
seidosstlsaint: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sanbar/+junk/RandConverse/files/head:/src/07:56
seidoscode=command07:56
stlsaintwhy not just download directly?07:58
stlsaintseidos: pull entire branch via bzr07:58
seidosstlsaint: nevermind, already did it08:00
seidosi should know how to use wget though08:00
stlsaintaye wget is great08:00
seidosmaybe the server doesn't allow wget grabs or something08:00
seidosbecause i've done it before with -r i'm sure08:00
stlsaintcool never used wget for bzr08:03
seidosah, yeah, never used wget with bzr08:06
stlsaintseidos: you interested in packaging?08:13
JackyAlcinestlsaint: you good at it?08:14
stlsaintJackyAlcine: good at what?08:30
JackyAlcinePackaging.08:30
stlsaintoh heck no im novice at it at best08:30
JackyAlcineCan't ever get my recipes on Launchpad to work right.08:31
JackyAlcine:/ Okayies.08:31
JackyAlcine:D08:31
stlsaintJackyAlcine: need help with something?08:31
JackyAlcineJust wanted to figure out why my packages for https://www.launchpad.net/speechcontrol fails to generate any binary packages.08:32
JackyAlcineAll of the packages would be empty.08:32
stlsaintha ive done that before08:32
JackyAlcineIs it something with my control file?08:33
* JackyAlcine can't even check it out on Launchpad, his SSL is blocked.08:33
stlsaintgimme one sec i will take a gander...what are you using...autotools?08:34
JackyAlcineCMake.08:34
stlsaintah cmake i see08:38
stlsaintJackyAlcine: i have minor work with cmake but i will take a glance08:40
JackyAlcineIt makes life so much easier; I can't see myself going back to AutoTools :P08:40
stlsainthrm strange to say better than autotools lol08:45
JackyAlcineWell, I mean, whenever I add or remove new files to the projects, I don't have to add it to the Makefile, it generates a new one for me.08:47
JackyAlcineIf I need a new dependency, I just pop into the list of dependencies and it links it to the projects and libraries I choose.08:47
JackyAlcine!cmake08:47
ubot2`Factoid 'cmake' not found08:47
* JackyAlcine headdesks.08:48
JackyAlcine!info cmake08:48
stlsainttrue08:48
JackyAlcinecmake (source: cmake): cross-platform, open-source make system. In component main, is optional. Version 2.8.5-1ubuntu1 (oneiric), package size 4134 kB, installed size 10120 kB08:48
stlsaintah i gotta install all the cmake again cause im on a new install :\08:48
stlsaintJackyAlcine: have you tried the #ubuntu-packaging channel?08:49
stlsaintJackyAlcine: im building a iso right now so i will glance after my build08:49
JackyAlcineFunny enough, I'm hanging out in there; I mean, it's for mere experimentation atm, but by February, I should be practicing for the project's release.08:50
JackyAlcineThanks nonetheless, stlsaint08:50
stlsaintnp08:52
stlsaintJackyAlcine: try asking jtaylor in that channel sometime. hes great08:53
JackyAlcineI'll do so.08:56
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dmtarmeyhello does anyone know i can shut down all services on my system not needed say if i wont to run a games and use all the computer resources12:37
bioterrorwhat services?12:39
dmtarmeywell all services that are taking up resource that are slowing the system down12:40
bioterrorthe biggest slowdown is 3D enabled desktop12:42
bioterrorif you're talkinga bout playing games12:43
dmtarmeyyes what i would like to do is close down all the services running in the back ground that are not needed for the job at hand12:45
bioterrorhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd12:47
bioterror"offers on-demand starting of daemons"12:47
bioterror:-)12:47
bioterrorfrom my point of view: in Linux there's no such thing as not-needed services12:48
dmtarmeybioterror cheers ill have a look13:02
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r4yI have an rca player here which I can't get to work exactly how I want. A song begins before another album and so on. There were songs that wouldn't play. I used kid3 to edit them and they are as they should be I think. Any suggestions?16:44
r4yThe songs that wouldn't play now play but that was after formatting it to the right format16:45
holsteinr4y: the 'right' format?16:45
r4yfat 3216:45
holsteinOH.... you have an RCA portable media player16:46
holsteinsome of those cheap-y players are just that... cheap-y16:46
r4yIt is the same format as it was, I wrote down all the details when I was checking it out with disk utility16:46
r4ytrue, o well16:47
holsteinit wont have anything to do with that16:47
r4ythat?16:47
holsteinthe player will likely only function with one format16:47
r4yI formatted it to the same format16:47
holsteinunless you would like to just use it as a hard drive16:47
holsteinr4y: right... what im saying is, that wont matter... that = formatting16:48
holsteinthe device will play as it plays16:48
r4yO, sorry16:48
holsteinyou can look into another firmware for it16:48
r4ylet's see16:48
holsteini used to use http://www.rockbox.org/ firmware for my older archos... quite an improvment16:49
r4y105016:49
r4yaduiovox rca16:49
r4yoops16:50
holsteinr4y: it should be easy to search there... would you like me to search for you?16:50
r4yaudiovox rca16:50
r4yI will check16:50
r4yDo you mean the rca website?, or?16:50
holsteinr4y: i mean, a 3rd party firmware site such as the one i linked16:51
holsteinthats what will change the functionality of that device, potentially for the better16:51
holsteinyou can see if RCA has an updated firmware that addresses your issues16:52
r4yIt has a mode button, forward backward, plus and minus for volume, and play16:52
holsteinr4y: ?16:52
r4ythere are 6 buttons16:53
holsteindoesnt matter.. what we are talking about is the basice function of the device16:53
holsteinbasic*16:53
holsteinit is giving you unwanted behavior16:53
holsteinseems like it is not managing the 'edges' of the music files in a way you like16:53
holsteinallowing them to 'overlap'16:54
r4ynot exactly16:54
r4yan example16:54
holsteinr4y: ok... thats the way i read it16:54
holsteinfeel free and elaborate... but keep in mind, this has nothing to do with ubuntu16:54
r4ythe first album is the new primus album which is supposed to be under p not a16:54
holsteinthis = the funcionality of the playback on the device16:55
holsteinr4y: that has to do with the way you 'grab' the album.. or extract, or tag, or file16:55
holsteinwhatever you want to call it...16:55
r4ythe first song of the sailing the sea of cheese comes before the album frizzle fry16:55
holsteinright... that has to do with the way the tracks are tagged, or the way the device is interpreting the tags16:56
r4yI tried kid3 like I said. So should I try different firmware?, and if so can I change back?16:56
holsteinr4y: i can only speak for my experience16:56
r4yI understand16:56
holsteini found the rockbox firmware a *great* improvement16:56
holsteini never tried reverting, though i read about how to revert, and it seemed easy for that device16:57
r4yI am looking at the link16:57
holsteinyou'll need to either change the tagging of the files to a way the device understands16:57
holsteinor try a different firmware16:58
r4yit doesn't have rca listed16:58
holsteinr4y: "it" has RCA Lyra AV (RD 2780) listed16:58
holsteinwhich is not your device, but there are other 3rd party firmwares16:58
r4ythis one is th1814wm-a16:58
holsteinright... i dont see that one there.. would you like me to google for a 3rd party firmware for you?16:59
r4yany help would be great, ty16:59
r4yI am as well16:59
r4yI am not sure there is much that can be done. I looked and th1814wm-a has limited results on Google17:01
holsteinr4y: i dont see any17:01
holsteinr4y: well, you can edit the tags17:02
holsteinyou can try a different method of extracting17:02
holsteinyou can physically rename the files17:02
holsteinyou can search for help through RCA17:02
r4yextracting?17:02
holsteinthe 3rd party firmware was just something that really helped me17:02
r4yTY for trying17:02
holsteinr4y: extracting is a method by which you "grab" the audio files from the CD17:03
holsteinyou end up with mp3's or whatever17:03
holsteinthey are tagged.. those tags can be edited17:03
r4yhmm, maybe I should try that. Might be the best bet17:03
holsteinhttp://savvyadmin.com/mp3-tag-editing-in-linux/17:03
r4yTY, I will try that17:03
holsteincould be that whatever you used to extract is making tags in a format the player cant read17:04
r4yTY, I bookmarked that17:04
holsteinor, if you didnt extract, and you bought/stole the files as digital files with tags that are not being read17:04
r4ythe order is wrong, except for the songs that were not being read which were only 3 songs but like I siad that work now after formatting17:05
r4yI meant they work now17:05
holsteinr4y: i could be wrong, but i think the formatting is irrelevant17:05
r4yMaybe I did something else to make the song that were not working work17:06
holsteineither way, lets assume reformatting the device when adding each file is *not* an option17:06
r4yI wasn't sure that doing so was going to make it not work which was chancing it17:07
r4ybut it works17:07
r4yI mean it didn't help it much if not at all17:07
r4yAnyways, I will try from a CD17:08
r4yTY for helping me. I will read the link. I am going to go. Have a good day. :)17:09
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r4yholstein19:12
r4yO well19:12
r4yMaybe you are logging this holstein19:13
r4yFor some reason my rca mp3 player can only handle so much on it. I put less albums and the songs and albums are layed out in the proper order19:14
r4yso it wasn't my fault, but like you said cheap equals cheap19:14
r4ybye19:15
iggy19hey all22:23
iggy19have a question about managing space on my filesystems22:23
iggy19anyone have a minute to chat?22:23
sunyatahi iggy19! ask your question, and if someone can they will respond22:26
iggy19sunyata: thanks22:27
iggy19Basically, I'm running out of space on devices, and not sure A) why and B) how to fix it22:28
iggy19Not sure what utilities/commands I should be using to see where my space is used up.22:28
sunyataprocessing...22:29
iggy19Also, not clear why, for example, System Monitor shows 2.3GiB free on my sysroot device, and only 1.4Gib availible.  What's the difference between free and available?22:30
iggy19Several other related questions as well, but don't want to overwhelm channel right now.22:30
sunyataiggy19: have you tried using df in a terminal?22:30
sunyatathen compare w/ system monitor?22:30
iggy19sunyata: not familiar w/ df.  Will brb after I try it.22:31
sunyatawill continue processing question22:31
sunyataiggy19: "find" may also be a useful tool.  it has a -size option.  man find for details22:32
sunyataexample in time...22:32
sunyatahmmm, searching for "greater than" option for -size parameter22:34
iggy19Oh, background info: partitions on this machine = sda1 is truecrypted NTFS, sda2 is restore partition, sda3 is boot, sda4 is extended, sda5 is LVM/dm-crypt containing / and /home, and sda6 is truecrypt container.22:36
iggy19sda5 and sda6 are w/in the sda422:36
sunyataah iggy19, sudo find / -size +100M22:38
sunyatacould change the 100 to the size of your choice22:38
iggy19sunyata, that will recurse?22:38
sunyataiggy19: believe so.  try it to be sure22:39
iggy19trying22:39
sunyatalikewise22:39
iggy19appears to be processing, slowlu22:40
iggy19*slowly22:40
iggy19Ah! Explained on thing! I dumped a 10gb file owned by root, and was suprised by only recovering 1gb of space from it - turns out it went into trash owned by root22:41
iggy19Not sure why even 1GB was recovered, but at least now I can go dump that trash folder.22:41
iggy19find still running22:41
iggy19the command "sudo cd <path>" fails w/ the error "sudo: cd: command not found" - is this expected behavior?22:43
sunyataiggy19: happens here as well22:46
iggy19the trash file I found owned by root was located at a not-so-logical-to-me place.  Hoping someone can explain.  Path was: /root/.local/share/Trash/files22:47
iggy19sunyata: re: cd, that seems weird.  How does one access root's directories via CLI w/o sudo?22:48
sunyataiggy19: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo22:53
stlsaintiggy19: how are you tryign to access root dirs' without sudo??22:54
sunyataiggy19: should mention it says "None of the methods below are suggested or supported by the designers of Ubuntu."22:55
iggy19stlsaint: I'm not, just saying, if sudo cd <path> doesn't work, how does one access directories owned by root at the command line.  That seems like a basic operational need - as in my case to delete a 10GB file in root's trash.22:59
iggy19sudo rm <path>/* is failing as well22:59
iggy19saying no such file, yet I can see it in Nautilus23:00
stlsaintiggy19: sudo -i23:01
iggy19sunyata: i'm reading the URL about root sudo.  I've readit before, but it's been a while23:01
stlsaintthen navigate to the dir23:01
stlsaintthe command "cd" itself does not require sudo23:01
iggy19stlsaint: sudo -i = interactive sudo?  How is that different than su?23:02
iggy19(except that maybe su doesn't work w/ root account disabled)23:02
stlsaintsu is used to invoke root account. sudo is used when username is added to sudoers already23:03
iggy19so, if uname is in sudoers, and root is active, the net effect of "sudo -i" and "su root" are the same?23:04
sunyatanot sure how to get into root folder without invoking sudo -s, sudo su, or sudo -i, well, chmod, but is that a better idea?23:04
stlsaintiggy19: yes and no23:05
stlsaintsunyata: your not going to gain access to something you dont have permissions to. So sudo will be required to view root level access23:06
iggy19thank you both23:06
iggy19still reading and expiripmenting.  Will have follow-up questions shortly, if y'all are still around.  Your assistance has been most appreciated!23:07
stlsaintiggy19: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su_(Unix)23:08
sunyatastlsaint: what was meant is to view /root, it's either sudo chmod 444 /root or sudo -s cd /root23:08
stlsaintiggy19: that gives examples23:08
stlsaintsunyata: why would you change permissions on a root file?23:08
stlsaintwhy is the -s switch being used?23:09
stlsaintThe -S (stdin) option causes sudo to read the password from the standard input instead of the terminal device.  The password must be followed by a newline character.23:10
stlsaintsorry...wrong one23:10
iggy19stlsaint: I opened a directory in Nautalis using right-click, "open as administrator" then I deleted a directory below that owned by root.  That directory ended up getting written to /root/.local/share/Trash/files which doesn't make much sense to a noob like me.  Can you explain what the .local directory was, and why the sytem put a trash folder there?23:11
stlsaintsunyata: root filesystem files should not be changed23:11
iggy19stlsaint - in this case they sure should be.  Vbox vmachine was owned by root, and I wanted it gone to free space on device...23:12
stlsaintiggy19: even further question: Why is a virtual machine owned by root23:13
iggy19stlsaint - that I don't know.  Seems a bad idea to me.  But, the folder containing the .vdi files was definitely owned by root.23:13
iggy19decent chance it's something I f'd up.23:14
stlsainthrm, maybe im missing something. one sec please23:14
stlsaintiggy19: yea that is not suppose to be owned by root23:15
stlsaintall my machines are owned by user23:15
iggy19now we are getting way beyond what I was interested in learning about tonight, but, how was I even able to run that VM if the vdi file was owned by root?23:16
philipballewwhats the issue stlsaint23:17
philipballewiggy19, whats your issue?23:19
stlsaintgood question23:20
stlsaintiggy19: did you ever have to enter a password when using vbox? and where did you store your vms? (use pwd to give me a path)23:20
sunyatayou=023:20
sunyatagood luck iggy19, hopefully you'll get your issues squared away23:22
iggy19philipballew: trying to learn about how to better manage space on my devices.  Running out of room, and not sure why.  Several related questions...23:24
r4yI have an mp3 player that still plays music but will not mount on Ubuntu and Windows XP. I accidentally pulled it before right clicking to safely remove it. I want to format it or fix it if possible23:24
iggy19stlsaint: re: pw, no, I never did23:24
iggy19sunyata: thank you. figuring it out.23:25
stlsaintr4y: ouch23:25
stlsaintiggy19: where are your machines hosted?23:26
r4ydisk utility doesn't have my mp3 player shown, and when I keep it plugged in when logging in, Ubuntu will not open the log in screen untill I pull it23:26
r4yI tried seeing if DBAN would dectect it, but it didn't.23:27
iggy19Current question: is there a way to limit size of log files?  Just found a 1.6GB daemon.log.1 file23:27
stlsaintiggy19: hrm ive never had a log file that large. dont know23:28
iggy19stlsaint: VMs were in a directory under /, now are in a directory under /media/truecrypt1/23:28
r4yI wonder if I can still get a replacement from Walmart. I have the reciept which says 12/05/1123:29
r4yI threw away the package it came in though23:30
stlsaintiggy19: well that is why you have root owning them23:30
stlsaintr4y: try it ;)23:30
iggy19stlsaint: explain please23:30
r4yCouldn't hurt. Sorry for bumping in this channel23:30
stlsaintiggy19: also take a look at that log file. For something that large something is happening that shouldnt be and is beign logged23:31
r4ytake care23:31
stlsaintlater23:31
iggy19r4y: walmart is going to be nuts this time of year, bet they don't blink an eye when you try to retutn it. 90 day policy in general.23:31
iggy19doh, he go bye-bye23:31
iggy19stlsaint: looking at log now.23:32
iggy19stlsaint: this mean anything to you: Dec 19 21:40:00 Evolution named[1341]: error (network unreachable) resolving 'riseup.net/A/IN': 2001:7fe::53#5323:34
stlsaintnothing to worry about23:34
stlsaintare you on wifi23:34
iggy19wifi in front of a crappy dsl that goes down all the time23:38
stlsaintiggy19: that is why you get that error23:39
iggy19stlsaint: except that there are bazillions of them.  That 1.2GB log file appears to cover only 3 days, unless gedit failed to load it all w/o an error.23:41
iggy19n/m, that file is still loading.  Nonetheless, 99.5% of it appears to be that error.23:43
stlsaintiggy19: logrotate is your friend ;)23:47
iggy19stlsaint: http://forums.cpanel.net/f5/rh-5-4-update-bind-named-network-unreachable-resolving-ipv6-129889.html23:53
stlsaintyour on ipv6?23:55
iggy19no, that appears to be the issue.  "The new bind version 9.3.6 (Redhat 5.4) try to use IPv6 transport even if the server host does not have IPv6 connectivity, resulting in slower name resolution."23:57
iggy19I've found similar reports a couple of places on the web23:57
stlsaintwell at least there is a fix23:58
iggy19all my deamon logs are that big.  Logrotate had been compressing them, but not before they get huge.  Fortunaletly they compress down to about 50mb23:58
iggy19*MB23:58

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