[00:29] anyone else notice thunar access network before loading [00:29] and, why? [00:38] mongy, is anyone actually talking in here? [00:38] Am I set to "invisible" or some other arcane IRC thing? [00:39] mongy, yes, thats pretty much he worst bug in thunar for the last few months [00:39] why CrownWheel ? [00:39] GridCube, months? [00:39] oh...just checking. [00:39] mongy, yes [00:39] yay for open source speedy fixes [00:39] we have had it since 11.0 [00:39] 4 [00:40] many eyes means, not much [00:40] theres a workaround [00:40] actually, I wrote a good deal about gvfs doing something surprising earler, got zero responses. [00:40] In #ubuntu, someone pulled out a 2008 bug report from Launchpad describing my bug. [00:40] it happens [00:40] (having to do with corrupt permissions on .gvfs) [00:41] Looks like it was fixed back in Hardy. [00:41] bug #775117 [00:41] Launchpad bug 775117 in thunar (Ubuntu) "Thunar hangs on first launch of each session" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/775117 [00:41] But I've got the same behavior now in Oneiric. [00:41] So...whadup wit' 'dat? [00:41] bug 531516 [00:41] Launchpad bug 531516 in evince (Ubuntu) "Evince can't handle radio buttons anymore" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531516 [00:41] the workaroun is on comment 13 [00:42] reading... [00:43] GridCube, was that comment 13 to bug 531516? [00:43] Launchpad bug 531516 in evince (Ubuntu) "Evince can't handle radio buttons anymore" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531516 [00:43] no [00:43] that explains it... [00:44] i was talking to mongy and the accessin to network before loading [00:44] what a coincidence. I was looking at Bug 531516 - gvfs fuse mount is not functional after logout and subsequent login [00:45] Launchpad bug 531516 in evince (Ubuntu) "Evince can't handle radio buttons anymore" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531516 [00:45] bah. gnome bugtracker. [00:46] :) [00:47] then maybe that workaround will help you too [00:48] well, it looks like I've got a .gvfs issue, not a Thunar issue. But, like I say, it's supposedly fixed, as of Heron sometime in '08.. [00:49] Like I say, it results in corruption of the permissions to .gvfs in /home [00:49] it ALSO results in corrupt permissions on /etc/mtab, so I can't even "cat mtab" to see if there's a gvfs filesystem mounted. [00:50] It also managed to corrupt permissions to my .bash_history [00:50] With the corrupted file permissions in /home, Thunar won't display anything in that directory. [00:51] and I can't delete the permissions-corrupted file (even with sudo) because it generates an I/O error. [00:53] Anyway, Vanna, if I could buy a clue as to where to start repairing GVFS, I would. [01:03] no idea sorry :( [02:29] hi can talk here re precisde alpha xubuntu? [02:30] precise even [02:34] Fudge: Would be far better in #ubuntu+1 === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [02:38] Unit193 i'm there but wasn't sure if xubuntu support or questions were available, thanks [06:00] um i cant mount this xubuntu precise alpha, has anyone here tried it scucessfully [06:00] successfully [06:38] Fudge: cant mount? [06:38] you mean, the install is failing? [06:39] maybe try http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20111226/ [06:39] Any of you guys know a image app that can browse to a nas? [06:40] the_3f_rule: ?... if its mounted, you can use what you like [06:40] i use gigolo to mount network shares usually [06:40] It is. [06:40] the_3f_rule: But you may need to install gvfs-backends in Oneiric for Gigolo to work [06:41] I am a total noob though with Linux [06:41] I use gigolo also. [06:41] I should say I have installed gigolo but haven't gotten it to work yet [06:41] First, what version are you on? [06:42] The latest. 11.10? [06:43] the question is more like 'how do i mount my network share on my NAS' [06:43] then you can use whatever you like to view the pics [06:43] the_3f_rule: what NAS? [06:44] do you know how its being shared? [06:47] Sorry. [06:47] Blackarmor 440 [06:48] Smb. [06:48] so, you might want to read about mounting samba shares [06:49] i typically personally avoid samba [06:49] Well, let me rephrase the question [06:49] Unit193: gigolo will mount a samba share? [06:49] holstein: Oh yes, with the backends [06:50] I can get to the share. [06:50] the_3f_rule: i would grab that package Unit193 mentioned [06:51] What I am really looking for is a program that will display thumbnails from the nas. The application is for my wife's photography business [06:51] Didn't see the package 193 mentioned [06:52] sudp apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install gvfs-backends [06:53] Rgr. I'll try that thanks [06:53] yup... then thunar should just do it [06:54] Worksforme [06:55] Got thunar and gvfs is already the newest version [06:56] I'll get more specific. Does gigolo show thumbnails or just file names [06:57] that gvfs "plugins" package you mean? because gvfs is what uses it :) [06:58] do you have gvfs-browser or something set in gigolo preferences? change it to thunar [06:59] I'll look [06:59] AFAIK gigolo just makes it possible to browse remote shares with filemanager, but I haven't used it myself [07:00] It mounts [07:00] I don't see that option in preferences [07:01] first tab, "file manager" [07:02] mhm, gvfs-open opens it in thunar for me [07:02] Exactly [07:03] Unsurprisingly I was looking in the wrong tab [07:04] Holy shit it worked. Only been working on this for a month. Thanks guys [07:04] Kick ass! [07:48] yeah i got it to work, but cant figure out how to get audio working so i can start orca === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [09:03] hey guys, where can I found a rufus package ? [09:52] Hey first of all hope everyone enjoyed their christmas. [09:55] I've a query if anyone is online for support? [10:23] Hi there, how can I get multitouch gestures working on Xubuntu ? Is it possible to get zoom-in/out, page-up/down and such ? I have a Synaptics touchpad.. [10:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Multitouch/Ginn [10:29] pkug: install and run gpointing-device-settings [10:32] There is no notification that updates are available in the panel, how can I make that appear? [10:33] should happen by default, you need update-manager and maybe it in autostarted applications [10:34] notification applet might be update-notifier [12:07] With gnome, I was able to monitor cpu usage by adding an applet to a panel [12:08] This functionality is no longer available with xubuntu... can anyone help me to get it working again? [12:08] there's xfce4-cpugraph-plugin [12:09] and a system monitor plugin [12:11] which one of the two has a nicer graphical view :) [12:12] anyway, I get that xfce4-cpugraph-plugin is already the newest version [12:12] when I add it to the panel, it doesn't appear to work [12:13] I just see a white box [12:14] eh too much modification required for xubuntu [12:14] <_Pete_> cpugraph indeed being the most important one :) [12:15] ..it's white box which indicates you have very little cpu usage [12:19] gnome has a nicer graphical cpu monitor [12:20] i tried to get it to work with xfapplet, but xfapplet doesn't come with 12.04 [12:20] it broke after gnome3 [12:20] <_Pete_> imo gkrellm is da best [12:20] don't know what to do after 12.04 [12:20] i can't use unity, and gnome 3 is almost as bad [12:21] :( [12:21] gnome-shell is quite nice and simple, fallback reminded me about old gnome (but with better settings manager) [12:22] the themes are very bad and non-customizable [12:22] greybird worked nicely [12:22] in gnome 2, you could change colors of certain elements if you wanted [12:23] I tried that and I ended up finding better theme on gnome-look.org [12:23] i've got a while to play with it on my test machine before I have to upgrade on this one [12:25] xfce is nice, but I'd like better applets, and would want to see when updates are available [12:26] that works by default on xubuntu and I told you how you should get on any xfce build on xubuntu [12:26] *on ubuntu, anyway [12:27] When I choose to add the cpu and mem monitors to the panel, they don't work [12:27] when I reboot, they simply completely disappear [12:28] Can anyone help me to get the monitors working? [12:29] update-notifier was running, there was 3 updates available, there was no icon [12:29] Ben64: check that you have notification area and indicator applet in your panel [12:30] yeah they're there [12:30] Sysi, I have what you suggested I use installed [12:30] hum, weird [12:30] but no matter what I do, they do not add to the panel [12:30] pitlimit: weird, no problem for me [12:30] I started with the regular ubuntu [12:31] I HATED unity and so switched over to xubuntu [12:31] I'm not sure that transition had anything to do with it [12:31] shouldn't have.. [12:31] i did the same, cpu and mem monitor works fine [12:31] run cat ~/.xsession-errors in terminal and pastebin output [12:31] ugh I love that little window that tells me the work loa [12:31] d [12:31] !pastebin [12:31] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [12:32] its not the same style as gnome's though [12:32] yeah :( [12:32] as long as it works [12:32] okay I will pastebin it [12:32] systemload plugin seems to be only usage bar but cpugraph has both [12:33] i couldn't find a memory graph for xfce [12:34] I had to use quite a bit of memory to see bar at all [12:35] cpugraph settings apparently can only be accessed trough panel settings -> items [12:35] Sysi, http://pastebin.com/FU4M6JEu [12:36] dude there's a lot of errors in there [12:36] I really like how mine is set up in gnome :( http://ben64.com/bar.png [12:36] yeah, I like that too Ben64 [12:36] But I LOVE xubuntu's layout [12:36] and gnome on unity doesn't work very well [12:36] no it doesn't [12:36] it's terrible [12:37] Ben64: man that's a mess [12:37] I tried to drink the kool-aid they are selling over at ubuntu and tried to use it but i just could not [12:37] Sysi: :( [12:37] why the change layout option need to be set up every time after reboot? [12:37] I want it to look that way too Sysi [12:37] I want the monitor graph [12:37] I like how you can click on it and see everything [12:38] system monitor? [12:38] cpu temp, gpu temp, cpu freq, cpu graph, mem graph, workspaces, notification area, time, user status, power [12:38] its awesome [12:38] Marzata: what option? [12:38] Ben64, are you leaving unity too [12:38] Sysi, did you see my pastebin :) [12:38] pitlimit: yeah, on my test system [12:38] Sysi: I have 3 keyboard layouts [12:38] i'm waiting to upgrade on this one [12:38] can't have a broken main computer [12:38] i see [12:39] I'm torn ... I just want everything to WORK so I want to like and use unity [12:39] i'm on 10.04 still here [12:39] Sysi: I use the super button to change them. but Xubuntu never remembers that after reboot. [12:39] pitlimit: yeah, you didn't try adding those plugins during that logging or something other is not working [12:39] :( [12:39] I don't want to go back to using unity but things don't seem to just... WORK on xubuntu [12:39] i don't like how unity is like mac [12:39] you should check out gnome3 fallback [12:40] pitlimit: can't you install it with a plugin. it was possile before. [12:40] i don't want a bar at the top all the time [12:40] yeah Ben64 [12:40] which plugin Marzata [12:40] my plugin IS installed [12:40] it just won't work [12:40] I didn't check fallback panel options very much but it's not totally crippled [12:41] Sysi, the thing is, unity takes over [12:41] You cannot customize things very easily [12:41] pitlimit: neither cpugraph-plugin or systemload monitor work? [12:41] I'll try one at a time [12:41] pitlimit: you're not forced to use unity, select whatever you want on login [12:42] You lose functionality sysi - I don't know... if I can get xubuntu to do what I want, it's the easiest to customize [12:42] yeah, everything is designed for unity now, makes other stuff kinda messy [12:43] It's hard to explain Sysi you need to try it yourself :) [12:43] pitlimit: do you have all updates installed? [12:43] It's pretty... crappy [12:43] unity is like windows 8 :| [12:43] yes Sysi [12:43] i'm going to try to log out and in again [12:43] to see if it sticks [12:43] an os that should be on a mobile device, not a real computer [12:43] I am now using the system load monitor [12:43] No nice graph though :( [12:44] unity is messy, I liked gnome-shell much better [12:45] but I think it's much better on fullhd desktop than netbook [12:47] KDE sure is customizable but you can get lost with all switches of course [12:48] if I wanted good system monitoring without kde's plasma Iäd probably use conky [12:48] every time i log out and log back in, the stuff I added to the panel disappears [12:48] there was a plugin to be able to install gnome 2.x applets in Xfce [12:48] pitlimit: do you have any free space in your home directory? [12:49] hm [12:49] fdisk -l? [12:49] is that how I check [12:49] Marzata: it's gone [12:49] pitlimit: df -h [12:49] I have 357 gigs [12:50] thunar should show at the bottom of window [12:50] pitlimit: did you change the ownership or rights of files or directories in your home? [12:50] have you used filemanager with sudo, had same home for several installations? [12:51] TheSheep, my home is encrypted [12:51] does that make a difference [12:51] no [12:51] Sysi, I upgraded from 11.04 [12:51] TheSheep: not avail in xfce4 goodies anymore? [12:51] Marzata: it doesn't work with the new broken gnome [12:51] Marzata: well, those applets are gone anyway [12:51] gone? [12:52] like tears in the rain [12:52] you need gnome 2.x and xfce. [12:52] what is gone? [12:52] gnome 2 [12:52] gnome 2.x not in the 11.10 repos? [12:53] wait so are others in here having problems with disappearing applets? [12:53] or applets that don't appear to work? [12:53] possibly have had [12:53] * Marzata moved to Xubuntu long time ago and love it. [12:53] would you mind losing your personal settings? [12:54] who me, Sysi ? [12:54] Marzata, did you have problems with applets not working [12:54] pitlimit: yes [12:54] pitlimit: in Xubu? [12:54] what kind of personal settings [12:54] yes Marzata [12:54] like panel setup [12:54] pitlimit: what applets in Xfce are not wroking? [12:55] cpu monitor Marzata and memory monitor [12:55] I have them working. [12:55] they show up while I add them, but if I log out and log back in, they are gone! [12:55] pitlimit: have you wrote there the correct net interface? esp. in the net monitor. [12:55] what does that mean Marzata [12:56] he's not using net monitor, mem and cpu should just work and not disapper by themselves anyway [12:56] I guess while you're helping me, you may call me he [12:57] Overall, everything is working alright, but I really do want the CPU/memory monitor to work [12:57] I rely on it [12:57] Also, I hate using top [12:57] so archaic [12:57] if you're she, pardon [12:57] use htop [12:58] Marzata, I want the pretty little graph on panel 1 :) [12:58] pitlimit: the Xfce one? [12:59] what's interesting is that when I add the system load monitor, it adds it to the very right of the top panel [12:59] to the right of the date [12:59] to the right also of my login name [12:59] that's default, you can drag from list anywhere you want [12:59] oh [12:59] Marzata, I don't know what the Xfce one is [12:59] I just want something working with a pretty graph I can look at when I click on it [13:00] pitlimit: are you using Ubuntu or Xubuntu? [13:00] xubuntu [13:00] I switched from Ubuntu last week [13:00] well Sysi dragging is not working [13:00] then just add net the Network monitor in the panel [13:00] Marzata, it doesn't hold [13:01] it sticks for the session [13:01] then disappears [13:01] pitlimit: something is totally wrong with your panel [13:01] can we see a screen shot? [13:01] okay [13:06] Where should I paste the image to [13:06] It's killing me i've wasted this much time on this matter [13:07] dudes, I'm switching back [13:07] this is slightly ridiculous [13:08] http://sharesend.com/ [13:11] http://bapoumba.wordpress.com/2008/01/04/add-gnome-applets-to-the-xfce-panel/ is this still working? [13:11] no [13:53] <_DeLa_> Hello Xubuntu, Good-bye Linux Mint :-ł [13:54] <_DeLa_> I acutally feel like that booting up was a bit faster wwith mint 11 / gnome 2, but once the apps are startet, switching between them seems a lot faster with xubuntu [13:54] hah [13:55] stupid sexy mint === _DeLa_ is now known as DeLa|AFK [16:11] should I enable canonical partner software as a software source? [16:11] DeLa|AFK: if you want [16:12] what kind of software would be accessable through this option? [16:12] or: why isn*t this option enabled as a standard? [16:18] DeLa|AFK, because there is propertary software in there, and some people get all mad when that is enabled by default [16:18] ah, I see. thanks! [16:18] well, a little "free beer" has not killed anybody yet ;-) [16:22] yeah i agree, but some don't so i guess the checkbox is a good option [16:23] yes, you are right [16:27] another question: how do I install new software packages that are not in the software sources? When I try, I can open it with software center and get the message that there is no software with the name xyz - which is of course right, otherwise I wouldn't download it [16:29] depends on what kind of installer you have, if it is a .deb file for the right distro and version you should be able to just double-click it [16:30] is it possible to remove the powerbutton from the lightdm, or how do i deny people to press it. [16:42] Hi! Im trying to use the CPU Frequency Monitor that ships with xubuntu to reduce my cpu speed. When it sits in the panel i can click on it and supposedly change the "governor" to "power save" performance" etc. But when i chose either one of those options it always defaults back to "ondemand" when i close and re-open it [16:42] Any idea why it doesnt stick to what i selected? [17:32] xsl, the config you need is /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.consolekit.policy [17:36] Anyone here using a HP OfficeJet Pro 8600 printer? [18:16] how do you get the sd card to show in list to open it [19:47] Hi all [19:48] I was wondering if anyone can help me with getting bluetooth working in 11.10, answer some questions. It is for a keyboard, so should be simple...any yet it refuses to pair right [19:48] and* === Nex4 is now known as Nax [20:58] I am stuck on the login screen in xubuntu i had set up automatic login with automatic password and it was working fine but now i restarted my comp and i am stuck on the login screen I have can click login and it goes to a black screen with some stuff like it would normally do if it was giong to login but then comes back to the login screen [21:04] log in to Ctrl Alt F5 terminal and run "rm -rf ~/.ICEauthority" [21:04] back to GUI with Ctrl Alt F7 [21:05] can i do this remotely? [21:05] or do i have to do it on the comp [21:05] On the computer [21:06] removing that file should work remotely too (ssh) [21:06] ok [21:06] will try [21:06] sudo rm? [21:07] ok removed it [21:07] now should i just turn the comp off and back on and see if that did anything? [21:08] yeah I think sudo reboot would work [21:09] you sure [21:09] are a genius [21:09] it worked perfectly [21:09] what does that file do anyways? [21:09] thank you so much! [21:11] is there a way to stop apache2 server from starting automatically without make a script to stop it at startup? i guess that way works probably not the best way though [21:11] I'm not sure what ICE is, something with login authorization [21:11] I'm not really familiar with upstart config [21:12] thanks again! [21:12] what did the ~/ do? [21:13] ~ means your home folder [21:13] http://askubuntu.com/questions/19320/whats-the-recommend-way-to-enable-disable-services [21:13] thanks! [21:26] we have bunch of xubuntu machines, all ntped to net time servers but all clocks show different times. how is this possible? [21:30] Marzata: timezones? [21:32] no, they are in the same time zone, the difference is +/- 30 seconds [21:39] Marzata: that's strange, they should automatically detect their skew and synchronise eventually [22:49] Sysi thanks again! [22:50] np [22:51] removing that file did the trick [22:51] now for another question [22:51] when i'm on the ubuntu comp and type echo $DISPLAY i get a blank line output [22:52] you don't have that variable set [22:52] am i suppose to set it? [22:52] export DISPLAY=:0.0 [22:52] I'm not sure about correct value [22:53] am i suppose to set it? [22:53] or is it fine not to have it set [22:54] when not running xorg I guess it usually isn't set [22:54] what's Xorg [22:54] just X? [22:54] sorry i'm a newb haha [22:55] xorg/X/X11 [22:55] i mean i have the comp set up and logged in with gui so i guess X is running? right [22:57] if i run from my ssh terminal > DISPLAY=:0 xcalc it opens on my remote machine if i change that 0 to a 10 it will open on my machine because i have enabled x11 forwarding [22:58] I'm not sure how that stuff works [22:59] if you ssh to it with -X and -Y options, ssh will automatically set DISPLAY to the right value [22:59] one question do you even know if this is possible where say i call xcalc through ssh and it opens in both my machine and and the remote machine becuase with changing that display i can set it to open on either my remote or my machine just wondering if it is possible to do both [22:59] and will handle tunneling [23:00] i'm using putty and xming [23:00] fivedaysahead: it's not possible to do both, and with the current X implementation it's not possible to move it once it's running [23:00] thank you very much was just wondering if it was possible that'd be cool if it was [23:01] fivedaysahead: you can run two copies [23:02] that's true but i was thinking more along the lines of it being like vnc but just one program that i can open on my computer and not have to see the whole desktop and also have it open on the remote computer [23:03] can you vnc just one program? instead of the whole desktop [23:03] I'm not sure if vns supports it, I'm sure the remote desktop does [23:03] s/vns/vnc [23:03] i'm running x11vnc and i remote in with the java client it works quite nicely actually [23:04] just wondering if there's a way to just do one program so you think the remote desktop might be capable? [23:04] remote desktop can do that, but it's for windows [23:05] i'm running windows [23:05] x forwarding over ssh does that too [23:05] and xubuntu on my other machine [23:05] x forwarding over ssh will allow me to do just one program but can i run that in both comps at the same time like say my machine and the remote machine [23:06] fivedaysahead: x forwarding runs the program on the remote machine but makes it display everything on the local machine [23:06] fivedaysahead: you cannot make it display on both machines [23:06] that's what i was wondering thanks [23:16] How do you completely disable xscreensaver? [23:17] settings then you should see screensaver in there and then disable it [23:17] or i think you might be able to completey remove it [23:17] sudo apt-get purge xscreensaver [23:19] Aren't libcairo, libgtk-pixbuf, libpango needed for Xubuntu to operate? [23:20] then you probably should go with it's settings [23:20] i honestly don't know enough to tell [23:20] you may want to check power managment settings too [23:21]