[00:10] <CuriousGeorge> heylo has anyone used kubuntu mobile on the N900 yet?
[00:11] <CuriousGeorge> i just found out about it's release and wanna know more about it.
[00:11] <CuriousGeorge> loling
[00:12] <CuriousGeorge> seriously though. it looks really nice.
[00:13] <CuriousGeorge> anybody out there?
[00:16] <CuriousGeorge> has anybody tried kubuntu-mobile on the N900 yet?
[00:17] <CuriousGeorge> ello???
[00:18] <CuriousGeorge> has anybody tried kubuntu-mobile on the N900 yet?
[00:24] <CuriousGeorge> hello has anybody tried kubuntu-mobile on the N900 yet? i am thinking of trying it out. would like to hear peoples encounters.
[00:37] <corvus_> Will Kubuntu run ok on a P4 2.6 ghz 1 gb ram system?
[00:38] <kay-inge_> kubuntu runs on a sempron 3000+ 768MB ram system by me at work, not very fast, but it runs and its usable
[00:39] <corvus_> Does it tend to hang a lot?
[00:42] <kay-inge_> you need some patience and have to deactivate the desktop effects, but when the programs are loaded, it runs smooth
[00:42] <corvus_> Ah, ok. Thanks!
[00:44] <kay-inge_> at work, i got dolphin, firefox, thunderbird, libreoffice always open
[00:44] <kay-inge_> not very fast, but usable
[00:44] <corvus_> What's your remaining memory with those programs open?
[00:45] <kay-inge_> i couldn't say that, don't know at this time
[00:51] <CuriousGeorge> wow. i am installing it on a core2duo with 3.1 ghz and 5 gig ram:)
[00:52] <CuriousGeorge> i think it should run just fine for me;)
[00:52] <CuriousGeorge> i wanna try it out on my moms quadcore though..hehe
[00:53] <CuriousGeorge> i only hope i set up dual-booting corrwectly..hehe.
[00:55] <CuriousGeorge> sweet i installed the GRUB correctly:):)
[00:56] <CuriousGeorge> loling
[00:57] <CuriousGeorge> loling
[00:58] <CuriousGeorge> hmm i am already liking kubuntu..
[00:58] <CuriousGeorge> a nice KDE desktop and runs very smooth..:)
[01:00] <CuriousGeorge> yes.. i already like kubuntu better than ubuntu:):) no stupid Unity plug-ins:):):)
[01:40] <jschall> kde is turning my laptop's screen off after a period of inactivity (even while VLC is running) regardless of settings in the power management profiles. any help?
[02:19] <shadesandcolour> i seem to be having a problem getting the latest release to boot live
[02:20] <shadesandcolour> i've made sure to download the mac specific image
[02:21] <shadesandcolour> but when i try to boot i eventually get an error that a live file system can't be found
[02:27] <deer3212> try in a virtual machine....mount the iso as a optic drive
[02:33] <pangolin> anybody who can recommend a webcam that works OTB in Kubuntu 11.10?
[02:40] <Guest82073> Can anyone tell me what the panel widget name is that shows open windows? I accidently deleted it from the panel and can't find it.
[02:52] <mikecb> Task Manager?
[02:54] <Guest82073> task manager why the fuck is it called that god damn
[02:54] <Guest82073> thanks a lot though!
[02:56] <jalcine> Guest82073: What'd you think it was called?
[02:57] <Guest82073> I'm used to thinking of task manager like the windows task manager.  I 'm used to gnome and that widget was called window something or other. it at least have the name window in it.
[03:07] <psykatog> I've just installed and configured my KDE desktop (kubuntu 11.10) - Is there a way to save my configuration before experimenting with a few widgets?
[03:11] <psykatog> Hello?  How to save a backup of KDE configurations?
[03:35] <akaruna> hello folks
[03:35] <akaruna> im new here and looking to learn more abount linux and loving the KDE look and feel
[03:37] <akaruna> about*
[05:49] <psykatog> Has anyone here used Kpart for partitioning before?
[07:30] <jayjay_> list
[09:05] <Ripp__> Hi. I want to prevent my Kubuntu laptop from hibernating or going into sleep mode (I'm running some simulations which I'd like to leave overnight.) What is the easiest way to do this?
[09:06] <Ripp__> Kubuntu 11.10, btw
[09:07] <Ripp__> nm found it
[10:22] <Amokrun> Anyone with experience on the migration to kmail2 around?
[11:22] <reisi> Amokrun: i remember it failing completly with kubuntu upgrade (known issue back then), had to do it manually (there must had been a howto, probably linked from the known issues)
[11:23] <denys_z> Hi, sorry for second message, but i think my first one didn't get posted: I am having big trouble with KDE after KDE monitor failing - one of the monitors isn't enabled (and I can't enable it back), panels aren't showing and KDE crushes when I try to add a new panel. Could someone help me with this?
[11:24] <denys_z> is there a way to repair KDE settings/installation?
[11:24] <reisi> denys_z: so is your second monitor still "connected"? as in, can you move your mouse over there?
[11:26] <denys_z> sorry, it was "KDE monitor daemon failing", but my second monitor is physically connected but not working (mouse won't go over it)
[11:26] <denys_z> I did reboot the system - didn't help
[11:28] <reisi> denys_z: hmmm so you end up with one monitor which displays nothing (perhaps background) and you cannot get your mouse over there?
[11:29] <reisi> denys_z: is this when you are logged in or can't you get into the login screen either?
[11:29] <denys_z> not really, it is not even detected by the system so it si in stand-by mode, however it is not the biggest problem - the problem is that KDE won't show any panels and windows - they flick when I alt-tab but never get displayed
[11:30] <denys_z> it is when i am logged on
[11:31] <denys_z> I suspect it could be ATI drivers - is there a way to disable a particular driver?
[11:31] <denys_z> from console - cuz UI won't behave at all
[11:32] <reisi> denys_z: hmm perhaps, but if you are already logged into the console, try "DISPLAY=:0 xrandr"
[11:35] <reisi> denys_z: you can even do this over ssh; can you get any output?
[11:36] <denys_z> yep
[11:36] <denys_z> it says that only one monitor is connected
[11:37] <denys_z> DFP1 connected, DFP2 disconnected, CRT1/2 disconnected
[11:40] <Amokrun> reisi: For some reason, kmail2 is behaving really wrong for me.
[11:40] <Amokrun> The migrations of course failed.
[11:40] <Amokrun> After doing it manually, it worked for a few days and then stopped sending any mail.
[11:40] <Amokrun> That got sort of fixed with purge of akonadi files.
[11:40] <Amokrun> But now it moved to the most interesting phase of deleting any mail you view from both local and remote storage.
[11:41] <Amokrun> So the moment I click a mail, it's permanently gone.
[11:41] <Amokrun> During all the years I've used e-mail, I can't recall a single case where e-mail client managed to destroy mail permanently.
[11:43] <sundar> hi, i have a problem with pthread. i keep getting this error __pthread_mutex_cond_lock: Assertion `mutex->__data.__owner == 0' failed (not that often)
[11:43] <reisi> denys_z: hmm oki
[11:43] <sundar> i have 2 threads in my app. one to receive packets from network, signal the other thread to process it
[11:43] <reisi> denys_z: is the resolution et al ok for the DFP1
[11:44] <sundar> i am taking care of locking/unlocking the mutex my the respective thread. still am getting this issue
[11:44] <sundar> any idea what could be the problem?
[11:44] <sundar> gcc is 4.5.2
[11:45] <reisi> sundar: you might want to take it over to #c++ or #linux, or just google, i guess someone else have had that assertion come up; there's mainly kubuntu user questions in this channel
[11:45] <sundar> reisi, ok thanks ill try in #linux
[11:45] <reisi> sundar: though, i'd check which call causes that assertion, and compare it to the other thread
[11:46] <reisi> Amokrun: put a message out in to the mailinglist
[11:47] <reisi> Amokrun: use that mozilla email client, i wouldn't go opening the kmail anymore
[11:47] <Amokrun> reisi: Yeah, I already killed any references to the mail box in both akonadi and kmail.
[11:47] <Amokrun> reisi: Don't feel like losing any more mail randomly or seeing what the next stage of kmail2 is.
[11:47] <reisi> i so hate akonadi, it's like dbus; yet another single point of failure, if it doesn't work nothing just doesn't seem to work either
[11:48] <Amokrun> I find it interesting that these almost-out-of-beta technologies keep appearing in KDE.
[11:48] <denys_z> reisi: sorry, I was an idiot - my second monitor's DVI cable was loose. now it is working
[11:48] <Amokrun> I like KDE but for whatever reason, they keep finding these broken components from somewhere.
[11:49] <reisi> lately i've noticed that even when indexing is turned off there is still some indexing related process hoggin very much memory, though it's safe to kill it
[11:49] <Amokrun> Back in the 3.X days it was Arts that did whatever it felt like.
[11:49] <denys_z> it was a strange behaviour though  - KDE was totally going mad and couldn't display any windows or panels
[11:49] <reisi> Amokrun: well i understand their ambitions with akonadi; and i understand the need to push new software, otherwise it'd never get used
[11:50] <Amokrun> Certainly. I don't mind the theory behind this.
[11:50] <reisi> i really wouldn't want to go back to the time with ARTS :D i ended up going around it in most cases any ways
[11:51] <Amokrun> It's just that you don't want to end up deleting mail randomly. That's about the worst thing you can do.
[11:51] <reisi> denys_z: yeah well.. i guess i should have asked if the cable is infact plugged in :)
[11:51] <Amokrun> I can deal with broken software if it fails gracefully.
[11:51] <reisi> Amokrun: hard to understand what would have made it to do that.. well they are going to be interested when you file the report
[11:53] <Amokrun> Humdidum... I think I have a clue now.
[11:53] <Amokrun> It turns out that Akonadi has screwed up all the paths for mail boxes.
[11:53] <Amokrun> Local, that is.
[11:53] <Amokrun> Now that I have saved-messages pointing somewhere again, it kinda works.
[11:54] <Amokrun> It still deletes the mails but it moves them to saved-messags.
[11:54] <Amokrun> Though it never did this before.
[11:54] <Amokrun> So they disappear from inbox but with refresh appear there again.
[11:54] <Amokrun> Only grey this time.
[11:54] <Amokrun> So apparently someone decided to change the way this works by default.
[11:54] <Amokrun> But since the defauls are broken after migration, it ends up dropping the messages on the floor.
[11:55] <Amokrun> Or that's my guess at this point.
[11:57] <Amokrun> Though in any case, dropping the mail on the floor if the folder doesn't exist is still scary.
[12:09] <Exilant> hi, does vlc or any other program in kubuntu act as a upnp/dlna client?
[12:10] <Exilant> found some posts claiming vlc should be one, but all from before 2008
[12:16] <Peace-> Exilant: ffmpeg ?
[12:16] <Peace-> dunno
[12:25] <Amokrun> Okay, this is truly puzzling.
[12:25] <Amokrun> After randomly messing with the folders, re-creating them a couple of times etc. it now looks like it works.
[12:25] <Amokrun> Only problem is, I don't know if it'll actually work or if it'll start doing something weird again.
[12:26] <osinclair> amokrun_: u still online?
[12:27] <osinclair> amokrun_: I ended up moving .kde folder and .local folder and then install KDEPIM fresh
[12:28] <osinclair> then I reimported mail, recreated accounts, filters etc. Now have it back to where it was
[12:28] <Amokrun> I did something similar.
[12:28] <Amokrun> However, my mail is on IMAP.
[12:29] <Amokrun> The only thing I cannot explain is why it deletes e-mail randomly.
[12:29] <Amokrun> I can't figure out what would cause kmail to delete a message that you are trying to view.
[12:29] <osinclair> amokrun_: I understand IMAP is a headache, only use pop3 myself
[12:29] <osinclair> agree on that one - the mail deleting that is
[12:29] <Amokrun> I verified that it actually does go and delete the message from remote host.
[12:30] <Amokrun> So it clearly tries to do something clever there.
[12:30] <osinclair> and do install akonadiconsole.. if your "akonadi sender" goes offline you can toggle it back online
[12:30] <Amokrun> Did already, that tool is the only way akonadi is reasonably useful.
[12:30] <Amokrun> At least you know when it melts.
[12:30] <osinclair> Amokrun_: can not heå much on imap - you tried kdepim mailing list?
[12:32] <Amokrun> I think I have this sort of working now.
[12:32] <Amokrun> I'll post something once I figure out which forum is appropriate.
[12:32] <Amokrun> I think the bit that is most broken here is that you can end up in a situation where mail is silently destroyed.
[12:32] <osinclair> Amokrun_: I got help via kdepim mailing list or kubuntu mailing list
[12:32] <Amokrun> All the rest has to do with the migration being broken.
[12:33] <osinclair> and I would seriously hate losing mail...
[12:33] <osinclair> Amokrun_: however kubuntu packagers did advice to reinstall rahter than migrate
[12:34] <Amokrun> Well, given that the migrate box is what jumps out when you do the installation... :-)
[12:35] <osinclair> Amokrun_: yes.. I know. I ended up doing a reinstall of Kubuntu
[12:36] <Amokrun> I wonder why everyone includes that migration tool since it seems to be busted. I read several discussions from Arch users with similar issues six months ago.
[12:36] <Amokrun> Apparently the same migration tool was equally busted and broke all sorts of stuff.
[12:36] <Amokrun> Oh, by the way. Anyone having issues with the taskbar crashing?
[12:36] <Amokrun> Or just me?
[12:36] <Amokrun> It was reasonably stable in last release.
[12:37] <osinclair> Amokrun_: Arch was the first release to include KDEPIM 2, hence the problems
[12:38] <Quintasan> We can't really drop pim2
[12:38] <osinclair> Amokrun_: and kubuntu packagers held back and kept it in experimental. Wisely. I tried already then but gave up
[12:39] <osinclair> amokrun_: taskbar fine for me, Kontact crash when I close it
[12:39] <Quintasan> The only thing developers and users can do is to get as much debug info as possible and send them to kdepim team
[12:39]  * Quintasan stopped using KMail for the very same reasons
[12:39] <Amokrun> Okay. My taskbar is almost quaranteed to crash on shutdown and crashes randomly otherwise.
[12:40] <Amokrun> Goes down almost randomly sometimes without any activity.
[12:40] <Amokrun> Did the same with the KDE beta release earlier but much less frequently.
[12:42] <osinclair> amokrun_:you don't mean plasma desktop, I get the odd crash there?
[12:42] <Amokrun> Yes, that might be it. The only visible issue is that the taskbar goes down for a moment,.
[12:43] <osinclair> Amokrun_: that is plasma desktop and I suspect Kubuntu to be honest
[12:44] <osinclair> amokrun_: you upgraded to 4.7.4? It seems more stable to me
[12:44] <Amokrun> Not yet, although I might do that.
[12:44] <Amokrun> This release seems to be hit and miss with some things.
[12:45] <Amokrun> I was already thinking of moving back to 3.X releases. The 4.X doesn't really bring anything to the table that I need.
[12:46] <osinclair> amokrun_: search for trinitydesktop project then. But 4.7.4 is more stable then 4.7.3
[12:46] <Amokrun> Yeah, already have everything ready for that.
[12:46] <Amokrun> Got to test it in a virtual install first.
[12:47] <osinclair> http://www.trinitydesktop.org - I run it on some old desktops
[12:48] <osinclair> amokrun_: it is more or less a 1-man project though
[13:13] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:14]  * jussi waves to BluesKaj
[13:18]  * BluesKaj waves back at jussi :)
[13:27] <marc_> hello
[14:19] <babalu> hey, i tried upgrading yesterday my kubuntu from 10.10 to 11.04, but now when i try to boot my computer, it's all black and i can't do anything; any help on that please?
[14:30] <Peace-> babalu: ?? have you started kernel recovery ?
[15:08] <rosco_y> adf
[15:26] <scherenhaenden> hi everybody, how could i install or uprade my kubuntu to ubuntu studio
[15:31] <scherenhaenden> id like to install that low latency kernel too
[15:34] <krise> Hello, i still dont understand how can i install icon files, how can log in as root or something to copy icon files to icons folder
[15:35] <krise> impossible to install themes via system settings window
[15:37] <krise> its almost year 2012 and its still pain
[15:39] <kbroulik> why was Kontact removed by upgrading to 4.8 RC 1 in Kubuntu?
[15:48] <scherenhaenden> what is the name of the package for real time kernel.?
[16:06] <daviddoria> The updater froze in the middle of an update. Now when I boot I can't get past the splash screen. I tried to pass some options to grub, but when I press 'e' the options do not appear, simply nothing happens. Any idea what to do about that?
[16:58] <DarthFrog> daviddoria:  Try booting from a LiveCD, mount your Linux partition somewhere and bind mount /dev, /proc & /sys into it (http://fermilinux.fnal.gov/documentation/tips/mount-bind-chroot), then chroot into your mounted partition.  You can then fix it.
[17:33] <zpr0od> hey.
[20:05]  * coolstar-pc is seeing if he can speak
[20:05] <coolstar-pc> Ok
[20:10] <Drakmor> Hey, anyone able to give me a hand with my .asoundrc setup?
[20:22] <doriad_> is there a way to start a second desktop session?
[20:23] <SunTsu> doriad_: sure, at the logout part of the KDE menu, new user session
[20:24] <doriad_> SunTsu, can I use the same user twice?
[20:24] <doriad_> The only thing I see is the "switch user" button
[20:24] <SunTsu> doriad_: yes, but that can kill your config files
[20:32] <doriad_> SunTsu, what do you mean it "can" do that? Is there something I can do to prevent it? I would really like to be the same user in both environments
[20:34] <SunTsu> doriad_: well, you might have processes writing to the same config at the same time, which might end up in corruption of those files
[21:47] <MarcosBox_> sera
[21:51] <rork> ciao MarcosBox_
[21:51] <rork> !it
[22:31] <psykatog> Is it possible to make a folder hidden in dolphin?  Ie, the amazon kindle app creates a folder in the home directory titled "My Kindle Content" - Since moving the folder creates problems, is there a way to make it stay hidden?
[23:08] <randomatix> Hi, Dolphin has developed some weird behavior.  When sorting by Date and clicking to expand a directory name, the files in the directory appear ABOVE the dir name, or perhaps at the top of the window.
[23:09] <randomatix> Also, Dolphin does not seem to always notice directory/file name changes without a refresh.  Any ideas?
[23:27] <rosco_y> How do I set ubuntu to automatically open my kalarm software when I log in?
[23:35] <randomatix> Is anyone else running Dolphin  4.7.90 from the ppa?
[23:46] <ussher__> after an upgrade my kubuntu stopped getting all the way to the KDE login screen at boot.  In order to get to the graphical boot screen i need to do ctrl+alt+F6, login, then do 'sudo start kdm'  which starts it just fine.  Im not sure where to start looking for the cause of the issue, any ideas on a useful google term for this situation?
[23:53] <wilhart> hi, where do i see graphic card memory ?
[23:56] <ussher__> wilhart: do you have 'kinfocenter' under your 'systems' menu