[01:08] <calamari> is there a way I can disable clicking on my touchpad?
[01:11] <MrChrisDruif> calamari; isn't there some mouse settings somewhere?
[01:11] <calamari> ooh might have found a way
[01:12] <MrChrisDruif> Cool, LXInput by any chance?
[01:12] <calamari> not sure still waiting for the page to load
[01:13] <calamari> lxinput doesnt have the option that I can tell
[01:15] <MrChrisDruif> According to http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Main_Page and apt-cache search lxinput it's "lxinput - program to configure keyboard and mouse settings for LXDE"
[01:15] <carolyn> Hi. I'm having as issue with getting my wireless connection to work upon initial installation of lubuntu. This a pretty old laptop - almost 10 years old. It runs lubuntu fine, but I'm afraid I wont be able to find anything to make the wifi work. Any advice on the direction to take?
[01:15] <calamari> yeah but it doesnt have the option to disable the trackpad
[01:15] <calamari> (the click anyways)
[01:16] <MrChrisDruif> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1875459
[01:17] <calamari> yeah that was the page i found too
[01:17] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[01:18] <carolyn> When I see Wireless Network, it says firmware missing and that it's not ready yet. Any commands I can run or reference pages I can look at?
[01:18] <MrChrisDruif> jalcine; do you know anything about wifi on old hardware?
[01:18] <jalcine> Hmm. Not really.
[01:18] <MrChrisDruif> carolyn; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[01:19] <carolyn> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] 802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[01:20] <carolyn> Is this supported?
[01:20] <MrChrisDruif> It might help, but it's not about a current version apparently. Also more aimed towards Gnome instead of LXDE
[01:21] <MrChrisDruif> Hmmm, solving wireless: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/SolvingWireless
[01:24] <MrChrisDruif> Again, that first page links to others pages which might help troubleshoot the problem carolyn
[01:24] <calamari> MrChrisDruif: thanks that program seems to have worked good
[01:25] <MrChrisDruif> Good to hear calamari =)
[01:25]  * MrChrisDruif it's been a long time I helped someone
[01:26]  * MrChrisDruif forgot how good it felt =)
[01:26] <carolyn> MrChrisDruif: I was linked to another reference page the other day for setting up my wifi. It had bcm4311 in it
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> This one? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/Broadcom_BCM4311_rev_01_(ndiswrapper)
[01:27] <MrChrisDruif> Or maybe this one? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[01:28] <carolyn> MrChrisDruif: That's it!
[01:28] <carolyn> Thank you!!!!
[01:28] <MrChrisDruif> You didn't tell me about your hardware ^_^
[01:30] <carolyn> I'm using BCM4318. There's some card on here for using wifi, or something.
[01:30] <carolyn> Gonna install the b43-fwcutter and see what happens.
[01:30] <MrChrisDruif> =)
[01:37] <MrChrisDruif> What version are you rolling carolyn ?
[01:37] <carolyn> I installed it bu it's not showing up in the aditional drivers.
[01:37] <carolyn> 11.10 lubuntu, MrChrisDruif
[01:37] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah, the lubuntu I was guessing ;-)
[01:38] <MrChrisDruif> carolyn; did you install this package? firmware-b43-installer
[01:39] <carolyn> Yes. first I did udo apt-get install b43-fwcutter, and then I did sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer
[01:40] <carolyn> Afterwards, I assumed that the additional drivers would be listed, but they are not. Maybe a restart is necessary before they are listed?
[01:47] <MrChrisDruif> Maybe, I don't know
[01:47] <carolyn> It works!
[01:49] <MrChrisDruif> Hurray =D
[01:50] <carolyn> Thanks guys!
[01:50] <MrChrisDruif> Who helped also? =P
[01:51] <carolyn> You and #ubuntu :D
[01:51] <MrChrisDruif> Ahh...=)
[01:52] <MrChrisDruif> You've been in that hellhole?
[01:54] <carolyn> Very helpful. A lot better than nothing!
[02:11] <MrChrisDruif> Haha, but indeed
[02:32]  * MrChrisDruif is off to bed
[06:34] <bioterror> phillw, wake up
[06:34] <phillw> bioterror: what now?... FFS
[06:35] <bioterror> we use minimal becouse it works
[06:35] <bioterror> :-)
[06:35] <bioterror> I was going to tell that guy the difference of --no-install-recommends but it takes a little much more time than I have to spent on it
[06:35] <bioterror> as I'm at work
[06:35] <phillw>  bioterror then answer the bloody question... we now use the official ubuntu builds.
[06:36] <bioterror> ubuntu minimal install is official
[06:36] <bioterror> :-)
[06:36] <phillw> bioterror:  then I have to delete it
[06:39] <mysteriousdarren> weird convo haha
[06:39] <bioterror> we have had cases where alternative also fails, but minimal kinda saves it ;)
[06:40] <phillw> bioterror: has alterante on 11.10 failed recently?
[06:41] <bioterror> and ubuntu minimal cd fetches latest packages!
[06:41] <phillw> bioterror: so does alterante on Lubuntu... just ask my VM]
[06:43] <bioterror> yes, but alternate is 674MB
[06:44] <bioterror> and minimal is from 10MB to 23MB
[06:44] <bioterror> so you dont have to download the same packages twice
[06:45] <bioterror> minimal > * ;)
[06:45] <mysteriousdarren> depends on if the network is available, depends on if the wait there.
[06:45] <phillw> bioterror: and then sit and twiddle thumbs on my  gloriously slow link.... That is why QA advise Zsync.... one day you will learn.... We look forward to that day :)
[06:46]  * bioterror goes back to year 1998, it was all better
[06:46] <bioterror> laters!
[06:47] <phillw> mysteriousdarren: bioterror is great IRC support guy, but he hates the simple system of QA or being told he wrong with a passion
[06:47] <bioterror> :D
[06:47] <bioterror> true dat
[06:48] <bioterror> I'm never wrong, I just understood questions wrong
[06:48] <mysteriousdarren> I know Ive seen it happen :) sometime you just gotta chill
[06:48] <phillw> bioterror: I love you loads... -offtopic?
[06:49] <bioterror> hmmm, this conversation btw. was ment to be on offtopic
[06:49] <bioterror> oh well, I'll blame the lack of morning coffee at home
[06:50] <phillw> bioterror:  as you well know, it is not often I ask that we depart the logged area :)
[06:50] <mysteriousdarren> well considering nothing else is going on its not that bad
[07:02] <head_victim> I just added conversation to the ml thread on mini install
[07:03] <head_victim> My understanding was alternate was there to bypass ubiquity, mini was there as a REAL SMALL install, hence the no-recomments
[07:03] <bioterror> head_victim, <3
[07:04] <bioterror> from minimal you can build what ever you want
[07:04] <head_victim> The mini iso is there to save you downloading an ISO so why would we recommend downloading all the packages anyway
[07:04] <bioterror> and then upgrading half of them
[07:04] <bioterror> or even more than half
[07:04] <head_victim> Exactly :D
[07:04] <bioterror> as they are outdated
[07:04] <bioterror> with mini.iso you get the latest and greatest
[07:05] <head_victim> Maybe we just need to state that better on the wiki pages?
[07:05] <bioterror> and what comes to save the bandwith, some of us here use that 3G connection with huge lantencies and low bitrate for everything
[07:06] <bioterror> ofcourse, getting it to work on minimal might be a little more troublesome
[07:06] <bioterror> call me a dumbass, but I connect my 3G modem to my pfSense router and I can access it thru wlan using WEP, which is easiest way becouse of iwconfig
[07:07] <bioterror> takes like half minute to get wep configured from command line by typing
[07:12] <phillw> head_victim:  bioterror could you discuss this on ~offtopic or the ML?
[16:07] <epictetus> sup
[16:07] <epictetus> do you guys use lubuntu?
[16:08] <epictetus> i just was fuming about pulseaudio taking more CPU time than X and firefox combined and how bloated ubuntu is getting and googled "lightweight ubuntu" and found this
[16:08] <epictetus> it sounds like a great idea
[16:24] <stlsaint> epictetus: hello
[16:25] <phillw> epictetus: dip your toe in, it's nice :)
[16:31] <epictetus> does lubuntu let me not use pulseaudio without breaking everything
[16:31] <stlsaint> hopefully ;)
[16:37] <epictetus> does all of the ubuntu "magic" stuff work (i.e. you pop in a random usb wireless nic and a little wireless icon appears in the system tray menu dealy, and you click on that and click on an access point and it asks you the WEP key and bam you're on, like it's a macintosh or something)
[16:37] <phillw> epictetus: lsmod | grep pulse and ps -ef | grep pulse both report nothing there :)
[16:37] <epictetus> nice :)
[16:38] <phillw> epictetus: the kernel is main ubuntu, so if a device works on there, it will with lubuntu.
[16:39] <phillw> my 3G dongle works fine, albeit the little icon is missing which is a reported bug.
[16:39] <epictetus> pulseaudio is a solution to a problem I never cared about (an extra software layer / software mixer/ abstracted sound layer)... like with pulse you can theoretically plug in USB headphones and have them just work with your apps without having to tell each app to output to a different soundcard, etc..   i don't have usb headphones and i don't mind telling apps which soundcard to use if it is raelly necessary
[16:39] <epictetus> phillw: well is there at least some kind of network config menu?
[16:40] <epictetus> or is it like debian where you just need to manually edit 50 config files and read 50 manpages to figure out how to put in a WPA-2 wireless key
[16:40] <phillw> yes, the icon on the lower left (next to the notification panel can be right clicked
[16:40] <phillw> epictetus: it is plug and play :)
[16:40] <epictetus> ahhh that's all you need then
[16:41] <phillw> I'm on WiFi, it even remembered my settings when I upgraded my main system from Ubuntu 9.10 RC to Lubuntu 11.10 :)
[16:42] <epictetus> wow
[16:43] <epictetus> okay i will try it out
[16:47] <phillw> epictetus: if you want it to remember everything, partion of your /home onto a new partition and use the advanced install.
[16:48] <phillw> epictetus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[16:51] <epictetus> cool
[18:01] <thor_> lubuntu 12.04 when i log out, the screen flicker constantly. a bug
[21:46] <g_> Hi all
[21:47] <bioterror> evening
[21:47] <g_> I've just installed 11.10 on this laptop with nVidia 9300 . I'm trying to connect my monitor to it but it's not working
[21:47] <g_> I pressed the Fn key combination and also checked the nVidia settings.. but it doesn't detect the external monitor at all.
[21:48] <g_> Any ideas how to go about fixing this? Thanks.
[21:49] <g_> Okay if you guys have no ideas, can I brb? I'll just boot a couple of other distros to check ..
[22:38] <[deXter]> Hi all, is there any special procedure needed to connect an external monitor to Lubuntu or should it work automatically?
[22:40] <Unit193> Should just work normally
[22:48] <[deXter]> Unit193: it's not
[22:49] <[deXter]> this laptop has an nVidia card, and I have the nVidia drivers installed automatically as part of the system installation/updates
[22:49] <Unit193> VGA and normal desktop? Did it work during live/install?
[22:49] <[deXter]> Hmm, no dunno if it working during live cause I connected it afterwards
[22:49] <[deXter]> I can boot into the CD and check
[22:49] <Unit193> Would be good
[22:50] <[deXter]> for the record though, its working in fedora so the port/monitor etc works fine..
[22:51] <Unit193> Did you try nVidia drivers in Fedora? (Note, I haven't used fedora so I don't know how it works exactly)
[22:57] <[deXter]> nah I havent
[22:57] <[deXter]> fedora is running the open source drivers
[22:57] <[deXter]> speaking of which
[22:57] <[deXter]> yes booted into lubuntu live cd and the monitor works!
[23:15] <[deXter]> So, any ideas folks how to make this work with the nVidia drivers?
[23:30] <Unit193> Did you happen to see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia#Screen_Blanks.2BAC8-Monitor_Turns_Off and does it help?
[23:32] <AlanBell> Hi Unit193 hyperair phillw and all
[23:32] <Unit193> AlanBell: Howdy, and good job on the pings ;)
[23:33] <AlanBell> as you may have noticed the new IRC council has been appointed
[23:33] <AlanBell> so we will be helping sort out the remaining loose ends in terms of helping #lubuntu to become a core channel and the operators to become core ops
[23:36] <phillw> AlanBell: can we do this in #lubuntu-offtopic as it is not strictly support related and we can speak more freely there?
[23:36] <AlanBell> yes indeed
[23:53] <]Spectre[> Lubuntu,best distro ever