| DJones | Morning all | 08:16 |
|---|---|---|
| MartijnVdS | \o | 08:27 |
| DJones | There's life in the channel :) | 08:27 |
| MartijnVdS | Life? Don't talk to be about life... ;) | 08:27 |
| andylockran | happy christmas day 4 :D | 08:55 |
| DJones | NIce story, shows what you can do when you put your mind to it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16306742 | 09:29 |
| gordboy | i wonder if his app is open source, but cutting the wheat from the chaff could be good for a lot of sites | 09:39 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 09:57 |
| MartijnVdS | gordboy: adblock :) | 09:57 |
| gordboy | MartijnVdS: yeah for sure. altho i think you know i mean original content | 10:07 |
| gordonjcp | does 12.04 still use Thunderbird for the mail client? | 10:16 |
| czajkowski | hope so | 10:17 |
| * TheOpenSourcerer wonders out-loud if AlanBell is around today... | 10:17 | |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Hope everyone had a great Christmas? I did. | 10:17 |
| gordonjcp | TheOpenSourcerer: yeah pretty good | 10:17 |
| gordonjcp | czajkowski: is there a way to make it less broken? | 10:17 |
| gordonjcp | actually reading mail without it scattering it across two dozen tabs would be a good start | 10:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | gordonjcp: Probably join #ubuntu-mozillateam and talk to the peeps in there like chriscoulson | 10:18 |
| czajkowski | gordonjcp: it's not broken at all | 10:19 |
| czajkowski | gordonjcp: perhaps wait till the 3rd | 10:19 |
| czajkowski | most are on holidays | 10:19 |
| czajkowski | :) | 10:19 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | gordonjcp: Go to Preferences, Advanced, Reading & Display and click the box you prefer under "Open messages in:" perhaps? | 10:20 |
| swat_ | hi all | 10:24 |
| daubers | morning | 10:35 |
| gordonjcp | TheOpenSourcerer: meh, there's more to it than that | 10:38 |
| gordonjcp | it's just too confusing | 10:38 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | what is gordonjcp? | 10:39 |
| gordonjcp | thunderbird | 10:39 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Gosh - I feel the same way about Evo ;-) | 10:40 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | But been using TB since v2 I think. | 10:40 |
| gordonjcp | TB2 was great | 10:40 |
| gordonjcp | evolution is just as bad | 10:41 |
| MartijnVdS | gmail \o/ | 10:42 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 11:14 |
| AlanBell | hi TheOpenSourcerer | 11:18 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Ah ha - morning AlanBell | 11:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Have a good Christmas? | 11:24 |
| AlanBell | it was indeed surprisingly tolerable | 11:24 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | lol | 11:25 |
| popey | Morning slackers | 11:29 |
| * popey considers lunch | 11:29 | |
| popey | \o/ meatballs | 11:35 |
| === slvr is now known as slvr|lin | ||
| === chalced is now known as chalcedony | ||
| ujjain | "Thou has awoken me" < is this correct English? | 13:29 |
| AlanBell | it is rather old English | 13:30 |
| AlanBell | and you might say "thou hast awoken me" | 13:31 |
| ujjain | right, good, that is the point. | 13:31 |
| ujjain | ah, thanks :0 | 13:31 |
| AlanBell | or in a more modern way, "shut up, I am trying to sleep!" | 13:31 |
| ujjain | XD | 13:31 |
| penguin42 | or just Uggghh?! | 13:45 |
| MartijnVdS | Aren't those shoes? | 13:46 |
| MartijnVdS | or boots | 13:46 |
| penguin42 | maybe, but it's also approximately the sound I make when awoken | 13:48 |
| MartijnVdS | You sound like boots when you wake up... Hmm.. | 13:48 |
| * penguin42 finds it better just to stay in bed | 13:49 | |
| * MartijnVdS doesn't really have problems getting out of bed. | 13:50 | |
| MartijnVdS | Too bad work doesn't like me having a post-lunch nap ;) | 13:50 |
| ujjain | AlanBell: Thanks, I used 'Thou hast' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUG-0UoF774. Just some issues with the synchronisation. | 14:30 |
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| TheOpenSourcerer | DevNullSmtp is a very handy tool to have for testing stuff. Just saying. | 14:54 |
| andylockran | TheOpenSourcerer: what would it be used for? | 15:00 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | catching smtp traffic | 15:00 |
| andylockran | Ok | 15:00 |
| andylockran | piping it to logs? | 15:00 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | It's a smtp server emulator. | 15:01 |
| AlanBell | yeah, it is great | 15:01 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | If you want to run a cron job that might spam hundreds of users - and you want to test that the emails are getting sent. Send to this | 15:01 |
| ali1234 | what makes directories called /tmp/rcszUKaC5 etc? | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | they all start with rcs | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | then random letters | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | and owned by apache | 15:25 |
| AlanBell | I don't have any if that helps | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | this is fedora | 15:25 |
| ali1234 | webserver | 15:26 |
| mgdm | ali1234: PHP sessions? | 15:26 |
| ali1234 | PHP sessions is quite likely | 15:26 |
| ali1234 | now, why doesn't it clean them up? | 15:26 |
| gordboy | isn't it rcs ci co stuff ? | 15:27 |
| ali1234 | maybe? | 15:27 |
| ali1234 | they are all empty afaict | 15:27 |
| ali1234 | but there's like 20000 of them | 15:27 |
| gordboy | ali1234: who owns them ? | 15:28 |
| ali1234 | apache | 15:28 |
| gordboy | dunno then | 15:28 |
| ali1234 | php sessions are supposed to be session_* | 15:29 |
| mgdm | ali1234: actually, your sessions are more likely to be in /var/lib/php5 - those might be Apache scoreboard files | 15:29 |
| mgdm | or some such | 15:30 |
| ali1234 | yes | 15:30 |
| gordboy | ali1234: what about fuser -v or lsof on them to get processes | 15:30 |
| ali1234 | lsof is "command not found" - silly fedora | 15:30 |
| mgdm | it might be in /sbin or /usr/sbin, which is not normally in your PATH | 15:31 |
| ali1234 | actually i think this is centos | 15:31 |
| mgdm | silly Fedora/CentOS etc | 15:31 |
| ali1234 | ah, so it is | 15:32 |
| ali1234 | nothing has any of those files open :( | 15:32 |
| ali1234 | (directories) | 15:32 |
| gordboy | got ctimes/mtimes for them ? stat | 15:33 |
| ali1234 | they are spread out over the past 3 months | 15:33 |
| ali1234 | so probably since last reboot | 15:33 |
| ali1234 | hmm no, they go back further than that | 15:33 |
| gordboy | well unless you run out of inodes, if they are empty and unused, they should be harmless | 15:38 |
| gordboy | next time you reboot, go into single user mode and zap them ... | 15:39 |
| andylockran | hey guys - anyone else running a samba server on lucid. Seeing a memory leak in committed memory, and not sure how to diagnose/report | 15:51 |
| andylockran | http://imagebin.org/190685 | 15:52 |
| andylockran | the end of the red block is where I restarted samba | 15:52 |
| andylockran | http://imagebin.org/190687 | 15:53 |
| ali1234 | try to figure out what causes the leak | 15:54 |
| ali1234 | how long was it running for? | 15:54 |
| ali1234 | you'll need to run samba in valgrind and then do whatever it is that causes the leak a lot | 15:54 |
| ali1234 | but valgrind makes everything really really slow | 15:54 |
| ali1234 | so it is very helpful if you have some idea what causes it and how quickly it happens | 15:55 |
| andylockran | ali1234: tends to be over a few months :) | 15:59 |
| gordboy | it does look a bit nasty, admittedly. lots of swap | 16:00 |
| gordboy | you might want to update your packages, cos long uptime means long bug fix latency | 16:01 |
| andylockran | the system packages are all up to date, albeit no kernel update for ~100 days | 16:08 |
| andylockran | apt-get update; aptitude full-upgrade | 16:08 |
| gordboy | regular 2.6.32 kernel ? there have been many updates over the life of lucid. 2.6.32-37 just now. maybe have a look at the changelogs on the ubuntu packages site | 16:11 |
| andylockran | 2.6.32-32-server at the moment | 16:15 |
| andylockran | I'm aware we're circa .36 now | 16:15 |
| Flashtek | life ? | 16:36 |
| penguin42 | where? | 16:50 |
| Flashtek | --------> | 16:56 |
| penguin42 | It must be easter; Tesco have creme eggs out | 17:19 |
| zleap | already. typical eh | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | 8-) | 17:21 |
| zleap | at this rate by the time easter is over they will be getting ready for christmas by May | 17:24 |
| daubers | Evening | 18:07 |
| zleap | hi | 18:08 |
| MartijnVdS | ]o | 18:46 |
| MartijnVdS | \o too | 18:46 |
| brobostigon | o/ | 18:47 |
| * MartijnVdS listens to the radio | 18:50 | |
| MartijnVdS | Last week of the year - Top 2000 best songs (as voted by listeners) | 18:51 |
| MartijnVdS | http://top2011.radio2.nl/lijst/ | 18:51 |
| penguin42 | weird list; 1st Beatles one is awy down | 18:54 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: Welcome to the Netherlands ;) | 18:54 |
| mgdm | FFS, The Beatles weren't the be-all and end-all :-) | 18:54 |
| mgdm | lots of good/better stuff has been done before and since | 18:55 |
| MartijnVdS | They had too many songs, so people don't know which one to choose, so they're in the list lots of times, but not the highest :) | 18:55 |
| mgdm | I don't get the fixation on them; particularly not the way Apple announced that their back catalogue was on iTunes | 18:55 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: Marketing genius | 18:55 |
| AlanBell | mgdm: that was interesting because of the apple trademark apart from anything else | 18:56 |
| zleap | penguin42, interesting out of the beatles traks that quite a few of those were george harrison songs | 18:56 |
| mgdm | AlanBell: well, yes | 18:56 |
| AlanBell | although, that said, a lot of people interested in that news probably were not interested in the tradmark history | 18:56 |
| mgdm | MartijnVdS: "The day you'll remember for the rest of your life", or whatever the phrasing was - 'meh' | 18:56 |
| shauno | I think a lot of that noise was basically a victory dance after them holding out for so long | 18:56 |
| Azelphur | gordonjcp: If your not busy, I got a very interesting reply from my host about the loss issues, was wondering if you could help me understand it a bit better :p | 19:07 |
| popey | We went to new york some years back, we were standing in a queue, and when someone nearby heard we were english the first thing she said was 'oh, we love the beatles' | 19:33 |
| popey | *sigh* | 19:33 |
| mgdm | :( | 19:34 |
| MartijnVdS | every American (and lots of Brits) seem to assume that in the Netherlands everyone smokes pot 24/7 | 19:34 |
| mgdm | when it's only 23/7? | 19:35 |
| mgdm | :P | 19:35 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: 8-) | 19:35 |
| DJones | Hang on, how can you compare the american idea of an "English" accent with the Beatles scouse accents :) | 19:35 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Americans know all the English accents; from the baddies in the films | 19:40 |
| Azelphur | popey: amazingly for someone that plays online with loads of people I don't get too much attention for the heavy british accent I have, haha | 19:41 |
| Azelphur | popey: I did once have a group of about 5 south african women swooning over it once, demanding I kept talking so they could hear my accent, haha | 19:41 |
| DJones | penguin42: My point exactly, I don't think I've ever heard anybody speak like a "Brit" does in an a US made film | 19:42 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Yeh; although I was on a train going through Huyton outside Liverpool the other week, and it was easily the deapest accent I can remember hearing; and I live in North Manc and hear lots of Bury/Lancashire accents | 19:43 |
| DJones | penguin42: I find Bolton/Rochdale accents are very strong | 19:58 |
| DJones | Whereabouts in North M/cr are you, I'm not that far away in Runcorn | 19:59 |
| penguin42 | DJones: Somewhere between Bury and Manc | 20:03 |
| DJones | penguin42: Right | 20:03 |
| DJones | We've (work anyway) have an office around there - Prestwich | 20:04 |
| penguin42 | where? | 20:05 |
| DJones | Sorry, was getting confused then, the office I was thinking of is in Prestbury, not Prestwich | 20:06 |
| DJones | Thats what happens after one day in work, my memory goes | 20:07 |
| penguin42 | haha | 20:07 |
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| daubers | Evening | 21:48 |
| zleap | evening | 21:48 |
| daubers | hopefully tomorrow I'll have an mqtt based bloggy post to post :D | 21:49 |
| daubers | if I can get quickly to play ball anyway | 21:49 |
| gordonjcp | Azelphur: I can give it a go, if it's not too late | 21:52 |
| Azelphur | gordonjcp: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/December%202011/minecraft.html | 21:52 |
| Azelphur | I'm pretty much considering up and ditching now, it seems quite bad that they are suspending people over such tiny attacks | 21:52 |
| gordonjcp | Azelphur: is this for your hosting? | 21:59 |
| Azelphur | yes | 21:59 |
| gordonjcp | tbh I don't know enough about the issue | 21:59 |
| gordonjcp | if they're getting packeted to hell and back then I can see that it would upset their fabric | 21:59 |
| Azelphur | gordonjcp: look at the graph, they suspended a server over a 100mbit/sec (peak) attack | 22:00 |
| gordonjcp | well, if they hadn't then would the server owner have ended up with excess bandwidth charges? | 22:01 |
| Azelphur | gordonjcp: perhaps, but I doubt it, the default/lowest plan is 10TB/mo | 22:02 |
| Azelphur | plus, can't the attack just be blocked upstream, before it hits the server? | 22:02 |
| gordonjcp | not easily | 22:03 |
| Azelphur | true not easily, I mean I could understand taking it down, implementing a block for the attack and bringing it back up again | 22:03 |
| Azelphur | but from what they are saying (And what I've confirmed in future mails) they just seem to suspend people over it | 22:04 |
| Azelphur | and that 100mbit attack disrupted everything connected to the switch, so someone else got attacked, my server suffered | 22:04 |
| gordonjcp | Azelphur: I don't work for a hosting company, but you could probably find other people who do | 22:06 |
| gordonjcp | and if you're not happy with your current host, then go somewhere else | 22:06 |
| gordonjcp | I like Bitfolk, as do many others in here | 22:06 |
| gordonjcp | Bytemark too | 22:06 |
| Azelphur | gordonjcp: thought you did, what's the thing in your signature? just a host you use? :) | 22:07 |
| Azelphur | I have to be in (or around) NYC really | 22:07 |
| gordonjcp | Azelphur: signature? | 22:10 |
| Azelphur | gordonjcp: your forum signature on webhostingtalk | 22:10 |
| gordonjcp | o_O | 22:10 |
| gordonjcp | link? | 22:10 |
| Azelphur | gordonjcp: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=7872324#post7872324 | 22:11 |
| * gordonjcp does not recall ever posting there | 22:11 | |
| Azelphur | gordonjcp: haha, Is it just someone with an extremely similar name? | 22:11 |
| Azelphur | 4th post | 22:11 |
| gordonjcp | Azelphur: o_O | 22:11 |
| gordonjcp | must be | 22:12 |
| mgdm | that's a gordonrp, not a gordonjcp | 22:12 |
| Azelphur | haha, that's a fun coincidence | 22:12 |
| mgdm | and he's in the US :-) | 22:12 |
| Azelphur | yea, I just noticed the difference, didn't notice it first time | 22:12 |
| Azelphur | fun | 22:12 |
| gordonjcp | right, sod it, hot shower, large whisky and lots of moisturiser | 22:12 |
| zleap | http://oilrush-game.com/ << looks cool | 22:52 |
| Azelphur | zleap: indeed | 22:53 |
| zleap | nice they also release a linux version | 23:04 |
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