[08:16] <DJones> Morning all
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:27] <DJones> There's life in the channel :)
[08:27] <MartijnVdS> Life? Don't talk to be about life... ;)
[08:55] <andylockran> happy christmas day 4 :D
[09:29] <DJones> NIce story, shows what you can do when you put your mind to it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16306742
[09:39] <gordboy> i wonder if his app is open source, but cutting the wheat from the chaff could be good for a lot of sites
[09:57] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:57] <MartijnVdS> gordboy: adblock :)
[10:07] <gordboy> MartijnVdS: yeah for sure. altho i think you know i mean original content
[10:16] <gordonjcp> does 12.04 still use Thunderbird for the mail client?
[10:17] <czajkowski> hope so
[10:17]  * TheOpenSourcerer wonders out-loud if AlanBell is around today...
[10:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hope everyone had a great Christmas? I did.
[10:17] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: yeah pretty good
[10:17] <gordonjcp> czajkowski: is there a way to make it less broken?
[10:18] <gordonjcp> actually reading mail without it scattering it across two dozen tabs would be a good start
[10:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> gordonjcp: Probably join #ubuntu-mozillateam and talk to the peeps in there like chriscoulson
[10:19] <czajkowski> gordonjcp: it's not broken at all
[10:19] <czajkowski> gordonjcp: perhaps wait till the 3rd
[10:19] <czajkowski> most are on holidays
[10:19] <czajkowski> :)
[10:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> gordonjcp: Go to Preferences, Advanced, Reading & Display and click the box you prefer under "Open messages in:" perhaps?
[10:24] <swat_> hi all
[10:35] <daubers> morning
[10:38] <gordonjcp> TheOpenSourcerer: meh, there's more to it than that
[10:38] <gordonjcp> it's just too confusing
[10:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> what is gordonjcp?
[10:39] <gordonjcp> thunderbird
[10:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - I feel the same way about Evo ;-)
[10:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> But been using TB since v2 I think.
[10:40] <gordonjcp> TB2 was great
[10:41] <gordonjcp> evolution is just as bad
[10:42] <MartijnVdS> gmail \o/
[11:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:18] <AlanBell> hi TheOpenSourcerer
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ah ha - morning AlanBell
[11:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Have a good Christmas?
[11:24] <AlanBell> it was indeed surprisingly tolerable
[11:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[11:29] <popey> Morning slackers
[11:29]  * popey considers lunch
[11:35] <popey> \o/ meatballs
[13:29] <ujjain> "Thou has awoken me" < is this correct English?
[13:30] <AlanBell> it is rather old English
[13:31] <AlanBell> and you might say "thou hast awoken me"
[13:31] <ujjain> right, good, that is the point.
[13:31] <ujjain> ah, thanks :0
[13:31] <AlanBell> or in a more modern way, "shut up, I am trying to sleep!"
[13:31] <ujjain> XD
[13:45] <penguin42> or just Uggghh?!
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> Aren't those shoes?
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> or boots
[13:48] <penguin42> maybe, but it's also approximately the sound I make when awoken
[13:48] <MartijnVdS> You sound like boots when you wake up... Hmm..
[13:49]  * penguin42 finds it better just to stay in bed
[13:50]  * MartijnVdS doesn't really have problems getting out of bed.
[13:50] <MartijnVdS> Too bad work doesn't like me having a post-lunch nap ;)
[14:30] <ujjain> AlanBell: Thanks, I used 'Thou hast' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUG-0UoF774. Just some issues with the synchronisation.
[14:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> DevNullSmtp is a very handy tool to have for testing stuff. Just saying.
[15:00] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: what would it be used for?
[15:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> catching smtp traffic
[15:00] <andylockran> Ok
[15:00] <andylockran> piping it to logs?
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's a smtp server emulator.
[15:01] <AlanBell> yeah, it is great
[15:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you want to run a cron job that might spam hundreds of users - and you want to test that the emails are getting sent. Send to this
[15:25] <ali1234> what makes directories called /tmp/rcszUKaC5 etc?
[15:25] <ali1234> they all start with rcs
[15:25] <ali1234> then random letters
[15:25] <ali1234> and owned by apache
[15:25] <AlanBell> I don't have any if that helps
[15:25] <ali1234> this is fedora
[15:26] <ali1234> webserver
[15:26] <mgdm> ali1234: PHP sessions?
[15:26] <ali1234> PHP sessions is quite likely
[15:26] <ali1234> now, why doesn't it clean them up?
[15:27] <gordboy> isn't it rcs ci co stuff ?
[15:27] <ali1234> maybe?
[15:27] <ali1234> they are all empty afaict
[15:27] <ali1234> but there's like 20000 of them
[15:28] <gordboy> ali1234: who owns them ?
[15:28] <ali1234> apache
[15:28] <gordboy> dunno then
[15:29] <ali1234> php sessions are supposed to be session_*
[15:29] <mgdm> ali1234: actually, your sessions are more likely to be in /var/lib/php5 - those might be Apache scoreboard files
[15:30] <mgdm> or some such
[15:30] <ali1234> yes
[15:30] <gordboy> ali1234: what about fuser -v or lsof on them to get processes
[15:30] <ali1234> lsof is "command not found" - silly fedora
[15:31] <mgdm> it might be in /sbin or /usr/sbin, which is not normally in your PATH
[15:31] <ali1234> actually i think this is centos
[15:31] <mgdm> silly Fedora/CentOS etc
[15:32] <ali1234> ah, so it is
[15:32] <ali1234> nothing has any of those files open :(
[15:32] <ali1234> (directories)
[15:33] <gordboy> got ctimes/mtimes for them ? stat
[15:33] <ali1234> they are spread out over the past 3 months
[15:33] <ali1234> so probably since last reboot
[15:33] <ali1234> hmm no, they go back further than that
[15:38] <gordboy> well unless you run out of inodes, if they are empty and unused, they should be harmless
[15:39] <gordboy> next time you reboot, go into single user mode and zap them ...
[15:51] <andylockran> hey guys - anyone else running a samba server on lucid.  Seeing a memory leak in committed memory, and not sure how to diagnose/report
[15:52] <andylockran> http://imagebin.org/190685
[15:52] <andylockran> the end of the red block is where I restarted samba
[15:53] <andylockran> http://imagebin.org/190687
[15:54] <ali1234> try to figure out what causes the leak
[15:54] <ali1234> how long was it running for?
[15:54] <ali1234> you'll need to run samba in valgrind and then do whatever it is that causes the leak a lot
[15:54] <ali1234> but valgrind makes everything really really slow
[15:55] <ali1234> so it is very helpful if you have some idea what causes it and how quickly it happens
[15:59] <andylockran> ali1234: tends to be over a few months :)
[16:00] <gordboy> it does look a bit nasty, admittedly. lots of swap
[16:01] <gordboy> you might want to update your packages, cos long uptime means long bug fix latency
[16:08] <andylockran> the system packages are all up to date, albeit no kernel update for ~100 days
[16:08] <andylockran> apt-get update; aptitude full-upgrade
[16:11] <gordboy> regular 2.6.32 kernel ? there have been many updates over the life of lucid. 2.6.32-37 just now. maybe have a look at the changelogs on the ubuntu packages site
[16:15] <andylockran> 2.6.32-32-server at the moment
[16:15] <andylockran> I'm aware we're circa .36 now
[16:36] <Flashtek> life ?
[16:50] <penguin42> where?
[16:56] <Flashtek> -------->
[17:19] <penguin42> It must be easter; Tesco have creme eggs out
[17:21] <zleap> already.  typical eh
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> 8-)
[17:24] <zleap> at this rate by the time easter is over they will be getting ready for christmas by May
[18:07] <daubers> Evening
[18:08] <zleap> hi
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> ]o
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> \o too
[18:47] <brobostigon> o/
[18:50]  * MartijnVdS listens to the radio
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> Last week of the year - Top 2000 best songs (as voted by listeners)
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> http://top2011.radio2.nl/lijst/
[18:54] <penguin42> weird list; 1st Beatles one is awy down
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Welcome to the Netherlands ;)
[18:54] <mgdm> FFS, The Beatles weren't the be-all and end-all :-)
[18:55] <mgdm> lots of good/better stuff has been done before and since
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> They had too many songs, so people don't know which one to choose, so they're in the list lots of times, but not the highest :)
[18:55] <mgdm> I don't get the fixation on them; particularly not the way Apple announced that their back catalogue was on iTunes
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: Marketing genius
[18:56] <AlanBell> mgdm: that was interesting because of the apple trademark apart from anything else
[18:56] <zleap> penguin42, interesting out of the beatles traks that quite a few of those were george harrison songs
[18:56] <mgdm> AlanBell: well, yes
[18:56] <AlanBell> although, that said, a lot of people interested in that news probably were not interested in the tradmark history
[18:56] <mgdm> MartijnVdS: "The day you'll remember for the rest of your life", or whatever the phrasing was - 'meh'
[18:56] <shauno> I think a lot of that noise was basically a victory dance after them holding out for so long
[19:07] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: If your not busy, I got a very interesting reply from my host about the loss issues, was wondering if you could help me understand it a bit better :p
[19:33] <popey> We went to new york some years back, we were standing in a queue, and when someone nearby heard we were english the first thing she said was 'oh, we love the beatles'
[19:33] <popey> *sigh*
[19:34] <mgdm> :(
[19:34] <MartijnVdS> every American (and lots of Brits) seem to assume that in the Netherlands everyone smokes pot 24/7
[19:35] <mgdm> when it's only 23/7?
[19:35] <mgdm> :P
[19:35] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: 8-)
[19:35] <DJones> Hang on, how can you compare the american idea of an "English" accent with the Beatles scouse accents :)
[19:40] <penguin42> DJones: Americans know all the English accents; from the baddies in the films
[19:41] <Azelphur> popey: amazingly for someone that plays online with loads of people I don't get too much attention for the heavy british accent I have, haha
[19:41] <Azelphur> popey: I did once have a group of about 5 south african women swooning over it once, demanding I kept talking so they could hear my accent, haha
[19:42] <DJones> penguin42: My point exactly, I don't think I've ever heard anybody speak like a "Brit" does in an a US made film
[19:43] <penguin42> DJones: Yeh; although I was on a train going through Huyton outside Liverpool the other week, and it was easily the deapest accent I can remember hearing; and I live in North Manc and hear lots of Bury/Lancashire accents
[19:58] <DJones> penguin42: I find Bolton/Rochdale accents are very strong
[19:59] <DJones> Whereabouts in North M/cr are you, I'm not that far away in Runcorn
[20:03] <penguin42> DJones: Somewhere between Bury and Manc
[20:03] <DJones> penguin42: Right
[20:04] <DJones> We've (work anyway) have an office around there - Prestwich
[20:05] <penguin42> where?
[20:06] <DJones> Sorry, was getting confused then, the office I was thinking of is in Prestbury, not Prestwich
[20:07] <DJones> Thats what happens after one day in work, my memory goes
[20:07] <penguin42> haha
[21:48] <daubers> Evening
[21:48] <zleap> evening
[21:49] <daubers> hopefully tomorrow I'll have an mqtt based bloggy post to post :D
[21:49] <daubers> if I can get quickly to play ball anyway
[21:52] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: I can give it a go, if it's not too late
[21:52] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/December%202011/minecraft.html
[21:52] <Azelphur> I'm pretty much considering up and ditching now, it seems quite bad that they are suspending people over such tiny attacks
[21:59] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: is this for your hosting?
[21:59] <Azelphur> yes
[21:59] <gordonjcp> tbh I don't know enough about the issue
[21:59] <gordonjcp> if they're getting packeted to hell and back then I can see that it would upset their fabric
[22:00] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: look at the graph, they suspended a server over a 100mbit/sec (peak) attack
[22:01] <gordonjcp> well, if they hadn't then would the server owner have ended up with excess bandwidth charges?
[22:02] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: perhaps, but I doubt it, the default/lowest plan is 10TB/mo
[22:02] <Azelphur> plus, can't the attack just be blocked upstream, before it hits the server?
[22:03] <gordonjcp> not easily
[22:03] <Azelphur> true not easily, I mean I could understand taking it down, implementing a block for the attack and bringing it back up again
[22:04] <Azelphur> but from what they are saying (And what I've confirmed in future mails) they just seem to suspend people over it
[22:04] <Azelphur> and that 100mbit attack disrupted everything connected to the switch, so someone else got attacked, my server suffered
[22:06] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: I don't work for a hosting company, but you could probably find other people who do
[22:06] <gordonjcp> and if you're not happy with your current host, then go somewhere else
[22:06] <gordonjcp> I like Bitfolk, as do many others in here
[22:06] <gordonjcp> Bytemark too
[22:07] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: thought you did, what's the thing in your signature? just a host you use? :)
[22:07] <Azelphur> I have to be in (or around) NYC really
[22:10] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: signature?
[22:10] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: your forum signature on webhostingtalk
[22:10] <gordonjcp> o_O
[22:10] <gordonjcp> link?
[22:11] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=7872324#post7872324
[22:11]  * gordonjcp does not recall ever posting there
[22:11] <Azelphur> gordonjcp: haha, Is it just someone with an extremely similar name?
[22:11] <Azelphur> 4th post
[22:11] <gordonjcp> Azelphur: o_O
[22:12] <gordonjcp> must be
[22:12] <mgdm> that's a gordonrp, not a gordonjcp
[22:12] <Azelphur> haha, that's a fun coincidence
[22:12] <mgdm> and he's in the US :-)
[22:12] <Azelphur> yea, I just noticed the difference, didn't notice it first time
[22:12] <Azelphur> fun
[22:12] <gordonjcp> right, sod it, hot shower, large whisky and lots of moisturiser
[22:52] <zleap> http://oilrush-game.com/  << looks cool
[22:53] <Azelphur> zleap: indeed
[23:04] <zleap> nice they also release a linux version