[08:16] Morning all [08:27] \o [08:27] There's life in the channel :) [08:27] Life? Don't talk to be about life... ;) [08:55] happy christmas day 4 :D [09:29] NIce story, shows what you can do when you put your mind to it http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16306742 [09:39] i wonder if his app is open source, but cutting the wheat from the chaff could be good for a lot of sites [09:57] aloha [09:57] gordboy: adblock :) [10:07] MartijnVdS: yeah for sure. altho i think you know i mean original content [10:16] does 12.04 still use Thunderbird for the mail client? [10:17] hope so [10:17] * TheOpenSourcerer wonders out-loud if AlanBell is around today... [10:17] Hope everyone had a great Christmas? I did. [10:17] TheOpenSourcerer: yeah pretty good [10:17] czajkowski: is there a way to make it less broken? [10:18] actually reading mail without it scattering it across two dozen tabs would be a good start [10:18] gordonjcp: Probably join #ubuntu-mozillateam and talk to the peeps in there like chriscoulson [10:19] gordonjcp: it's not broken at all [10:19] gordonjcp: perhaps wait till the 3rd [10:19] most are on holidays [10:19] :) [10:20] gordonjcp: Go to Preferences, Advanced, Reading & Display and click the box you prefer under "Open messages in:" perhaps? [10:24] hi all [10:35] morning [10:38] TheOpenSourcerer: meh, there's more to it than that [10:38] it's just too confusing [10:39] what is gordonjcp? [10:39] thunderbird [10:40] Gosh - I feel the same way about Evo ;-) [10:40] But been using TB since v2 I think. [10:40] TB2 was great [10:41] evolution is just as bad [10:42] gmail \o/ [11:14] good morning everyone. [11:18] hi TheOpenSourcerer [11:24] Ah ha - morning AlanBell [11:24] Have a good Christmas? [11:24] it was indeed surprisingly tolerable [11:25] lol [11:29] Morning slackers [11:29] * popey considers lunch [11:35] \o/ meatballs === slvr is now known as slvr|lin === chalced is now known as chalcedony [13:29] "Thou has awoken me" < is this correct English? [13:30] it is rather old English [13:31] and you might say "thou hast awoken me" [13:31] right, good, that is the point. [13:31] ah, thanks :0 [13:31] or in a more modern way, "shut up, I am trying to sleep!" [13:31] XD [13:45] or just Uggghh?! [13:46] Aren't those shoes? [13:46] or boots [13:48] maybe, but it's also approximately the sound I make when awoken [13:48] You sound like boots when you wake up... Hmm.. [13:49] * penguin42 finds it better just to stay in bed [13:50] * MartijnVdS doesn't really have problems getting out of bed. [13:50] Too bad work doesn't like me having a post-lunch nap ;) [14:30] AlanBell: Thanks, I used 'Thou hast' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUG-0UoF774. Just some issues with the synchronisation. === KrimZon_2_ is now known as KrimZon_2 [14:54] DevNullSmtp is a very handy tool to have for testing stuff. Just saying. [15:00] TheOpenSourcerer: what would it be used for? [15:00] catching smtp traffic [15:00] Ok [15:00] piping it to logs? [15:01] It's a smtp server emulator. [15:01] yeah, it is great [15:01] If you want to run a cron job that might spam hundreds of users - and you want to test that the emails are getting sent. Send to this [15:25] what makes directories called /tmp/rcszUKaC5 etc? [15:25] they all start with rcs [15:25] then random letters [15:25] and owned by apache [15:25] I don't have any if that helps [15:25] this is fedora [15:26] webserver [15:26] ali1234: PHP sessions? [15:26] PHP sessions is quite likely [15:26] now, why doesn't it clean them up? [15:27] isn't it rcs ci co stuff ? [15:27] maybe? [15:27] they are all empty afaict [15:27] but there's like 20000 of them [15:28] ali1234: who owns them ? [15:28] apache [15:28] dunno then [15:29] php sessions are supposed to be session_* [15:29] ali1234: actually, your sessions are more likely to be in /var/lib/php5 - those might be Apache scoreboard files [15:30] or some such [15:30] yes [15:30] ali1234: what about fuser -v or lsof on them to get processes [15:30] lsof is "command not found" - silly fedora [15:31] it might be in /sbin or /usr/sbin, which is not normally in your PATH [15:31] actually i think this is centos [15:31] silly Fedora/CentOS etc [15:32] ah, so it is [15:32] nothing has any of those files open :( [15:32] (directories) [15:33] got ctimes/mtimes for them ? stat [15:33] they are spread out over the past 3 months [15:33] so probably since last reboot [15:33] hmm no, they go back further than that [15:38] well unless you run out of inodes, if they are empty and unused, they should be harmless [15:39] next time you reboot, go into single user mode and zap them ... [15:51] hey guys - anyone else running a samba server on lucid. Seeing a memory leak in committed memory, and not sure how to diagnose/report [15:52] http://imagebin.org/190685 [15:52] the end of the red block is where I restarted samba [15:53] http://imagebin.org/190687 [15:54] try to figure out what causes the leak [15:54] how long was it running for? [15:54] you'll need to run samba in valgrind and then do whatever it is that causes the leak a lot [15:54] but valgrind makes everything really really slow [15:55] so it is very helpful if you have some idea what causes it and how quickly it happens [15:59] ali1234: tends to be over a few months :) [16:00] it does look a bit nasty, admittedly. lots of swap [16:01] you might want to update your packages, cos long uptime means long bug fix latency [16:08] the system packages are all up to date, albeit no kernel update for ~100 days [16:08] apt-get update; aptitude full-upgrade [16:11] regular 2.6.32 kernel ? there have been many updates over the life of lucid. 2.6.32-37 just now. maybe have a look at the changelogs on the ubuntu packages site [16:15] 2.6.32-32-server at the moment [16:15] I'm aware we're circa .36 now [16:36] life ? [16:50] where? [16:56] --------> [17:19] It must be easter; Tesco have creme eggs out [17:21] already. typical eh [17:21] 8-) [17:24] at this rate by the time easter is over they will be getting ready for christmas by May [18:07] Evening [18:08] hi [18:46] ]o [18:46] \o too [18:47] o/ [18:50] * MartijnVdS listens to the radio [18:51] Last week of the year - Top 2000 best songs (as voted by listeners) [18:51] http://top2011.radio2.nl/lijst/ [18:54] weird list; 1st Beatles one is awy down [18:54] penguin42: Welcome to the Netherlands ;) [18:54] FFS, The Beatles weren't the be-all and end-all :-) [18:55] lots of good/better stuff has been done before and since [18:55] They had too many songs, so people don't know which one to choose, so they're in the list lots of times, but not the highest :) [18:55] I don't get the fixation on them; particularly not the way Apple announced that their back catalogue was on iTunes [18:55] mgdm: Marketing genius [18:56] mgdm: that was interesting because of the apple trademark apart from anything else [18:56] penguin42, interesting out of the beatles traks that quite a few of those were george harrison songs [18:56] AlanBell: well, yes [18:56] although, that said, a lot of people interested in that news probably were not interested in the tradmark history [18:56] MartijnVdS: "The day you'll remember for the rest of your life", or whatever the phrasing was - 'meh' [18:56] I think a lot of that noise was basically a victory dance after them holding out for so long [19:07] gordonjcp: If your not busy, I got a very interesting reply from my host about the loss issues, was wondering if you could help me understand it a bit better :p [19:33] We went to new york some years back, we were standing in a queue, and when someone nearby heard we were english the first thing she said was 'oh, we love the beatles' [19:33] *sigh* [19:34] :( [19:34] every American (and lots of Brits) seem to assume that in the Netherlands everyone smokes pot 24/7 [19:35] when it's only 23/7? [19:35] :P [19:35] mgdm: 8-) [19:35] Hang on, how can you compare the american idea of an "English" accent with the Beatles scouse accents :) [19:40] DJones: Americans know all the English accents; from the baddies in the films [19:41] popey: amazingly for someone that plays online with loads of people I don't get too much attention for the heavy british accent I have, haha [19:41] popey: I did once have a group of about 5 south african women swooning over it once, demanding I kept talking so they could hear my accent, haha [19:42] penguin42: My point exactly, I don't think I've ever heard anybody speak like a "Brit" does in an a US made film [19:43] DJones: Yeh; although I was on a train going through Huyton outside Liverpool the other week, and it was easily the deapest accent I can remember hearing; and I live in North Manc and hear lots of Bury/Lancashire accents [19:58] penguin42: I find Bolton/Rochdale accents are very strong [19:59] Whereabouts in North M/cr are you, I'm not that far away in Runcorn [20:03] DJones: Somewhere between Bury and Manc [20:03] penguin42: Right [20:04] We've (work anyway) have an office around there - Prestwich [20:05] where? [20:06] Sorry, was getting confused then, the office I was thinking of is in Prestbury, not Prestwich [20:07] Thats what happens after one day in work, my memory goes [20:07] haha === gary_ is now known as Guest84422 [21:48] Evening [21:48] evening [21:49] hopefully tomorrow I'll have an mqtt based bloggy post to post :D [21:49] if I can get quickly to play ball anyway [21:52] Azelphur: I can give it a go, if it's not too late [21:52] gordonjcp: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/December%202011/minecraft.html [21:52] I'm pretty much considering up and ditching now, it seems quite bad that they are suspending people over such tiny attacks [21:59] Azelphur: is this for your hosting? [21:59] yes [21:59] tbh I don't know enough about the issue [21:59] if they're getting packeted to hell and back then I can see that it would upset their fabric [22:00] gordonjcp: look at the graph, they suspended a server over a 100mbit/sec (peak) attack [22:01] well, if they hadn't then would the server owner have ended up with excess bandwidth charges? [22:02] gordonjcp: perhaps, but I doubt it, the default/lowest plan is 10TB/mo [22:02] plus, can't the attack just be blocked upstream, before it hits the server? [22:03] not easily [22:03] true not easily, I mean I could understand taking it down, implementing a block for the attack and bringing it back up again [22:04] but from what they are saying (And what I've confirmed in future mails) they just seem to suspend people over it [22:04] and that 100mbit attack disrupted everything connected to the switch, so someone else got attacked, my server suffered [22:06] Azelphur: I don't work for a hosting company, but you could probably find other people who do [22:06] and if you're not happy with your current host, then go somewhere else [22:06] I like Bitfolk, as do many others in here [22:06] Bytemark too [22:07] gordonjcp: thought you did, what's the thing in your signature? just a host you use? :) [22:07] I have to be in (or around) NYC really [22:10] Azelphur: signature? [22:10] gordonjcp: your forum signature on webhostingtalk [22:10] o_O [22:10] link? [22:11] gordonjcp: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=7872324#post7872324 [22:11] * gordonjcp does not recall ever posting there [22:11] gordonjcp: haha, Is it just someone with an extremely similar name? [22:11] 4th post [22:11] Azelphur: o_O [22:12] must be [22:12] that's a gordonrp, not a gordonjcp [22:12] haha, that's a fun coincidence [22:12] and he's in the US :-) [22:12] yea, I just noticed the difference, didn't notice it first time [22:12] fun [22:12] right, sod it, hot shower, large whisky and lots of moisturiser [22:52] http://oilrush-game.com/ << looks cool [22:53] zleap: indeed [23:04] nice they also release a linux version