[00:11] <snap-l> Hah, that's awesome.
[00:17] <snap-l> Pretty sure this isn't Jaco Pastorious: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9058804/jaco.png
[01:54] <jjesse> evening
[01:56] <rick_h__> evening
[02:29] <_stink_> yo
[02:33] <jjesse> yo
[03:55] <snap-l> yo
[12:22] <Wolfger> morning
[12:59] <brousch> http://hipstergrammers.tumblr.com
[13:15] <rick_h__> yea, was checking that out last night. Funny stuff
[13:41] <Wolfger> http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/127263/how-to-enable-proxy-python
[13:47] <brousch> is it normal dbus-daemon to be using 500MB of RAM?
[13:51] <Wolfger> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/295741
[13:51] <Wolfger> Define "normal"
[13:54] <Wolfger> Google indicates it's fairly "normal" for people to complain about dbus memory leaks
[13:57] <rick_h__> heh, awesome
[13:57] <Wolfger> Least insightful answer ever: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=91455
[13:57] <rick_h__> Blazeix: snap-l widox_ reminder CHC is early edition tonight 7pm
[14:06] <Wolfger> Geez... skip a couple CHC's and they drop you off the reminder list
[14:07] <Wolfger> s/a couple/all/
[14:09] <brousch> aparently restarting dbus makes some things not happy
[14:10] <rick_h__> Wolfger: a couple? :P
[14:10] <rick_h__> yea, I try to be inclusive, but I do give up after a while
[14:12] <Wolfger> rick_h__: don't blame you
[14:16] <rick_h__> smoser: http://www.reddit.com/r/Python/comments/nrtlf/i_created_an_opensource_alternative_to/
[14:35] <snap-l> Good morning
[14:38] <Wolfger> Good morning
[14:58] <snap-l> How's the morning so far?
[14:58] <jjesse> ok
[14:58] <jjesse> roof guys just showed up to start the process of a new roof
[14:58] <jjesse> so i'm glad there is no snow
[15:01] <snap-l> Yeah, that's a good thing
[15:01] <snap-l> we got snow pretty much all day yesterday, but it didn't stick.
[15:01] <snap-l> (thankfully)
[15:32] <snap-l> Anbody want the shittiest VB book? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0136060722/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=decafbadnet-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0136060722
[15:33] <brousch> ooooh, only $0.16
[15:33] <snap-l> I'll send it to you for free
[15:34] <brousch> isn't it pointless to sell for less than like $2.30 because of fees?
[15:34] <snap-l> brousch: Well, they take it out of the shipping credt
[15:36] <brousch> i think when i last sold on there i determined that if i sold at $2.30 i would end up with $1
[15:36] <brousch> hardly worth the hassle of boxing it up and shipping
[15:36] <brousch> less than minimum wage
[15:37] <snap-l> Yeah, at that point you're just aiming to get it out of the house
[15:37] <snap-l> honestly, anything that I put up on Amazon is just gravy
[15:37] <brousch> i can get it out of the house by dropping it off at the goodwill
[15:38] <snap-l> Well, JoDee is going to take it to OU, with a note
[15:39] <snap-l> I'm sorry you have to take this abortion of a class. Here's the abortion of a book to go with it with my compliments.
[15:45]  * ColonelPanic001 kills krunner
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> kworker, sorry
[15:46] <ColonelPanic001> too much kde for me
[16:12] <Wolfger> killing kworkers is frowned upon by management
[16:25] <snap-l> Coders at Work is $10 eBook today.
[16:25] <snap-l> HIGHLY recommended.
[16:25] <snap-l> http://www.apress.com/dailydeals/index/view/id/50/url/aHR0cDovL3d3dy5hcHJlc3MuY29tLzk3ODE0MzAyMTk0ODQ/
[16:27] <Wolfger> No Larry Wall? --
[16:27] <snap-l> Eh?
[16:27] <Wolfger> "15 of the most interesting computer programmers alive today"
[16:28] <Wolfger> Larry Wall has got to be on that list
[16:28] <Wolfger> unless he passed away and I didn't know
[16:30] <brousch> well it's official. this ancient p3 can run xubuntu with 256M of RAM
[16:30] <snap-l> I think they had enough curmudgeonly programmers with the JWZ interview that they wanted to give some more positive spin on the profession. ;)
[16:30] <Wolfger> sweet
[16:30] <brousch> however it struggled with youtube because of the animated ads
[16:31] <Wolfger> snap-l: curmudgeonly? I never thought so...
[16:33] <Wolfger> but, uh, it's Founders at work for $10, not Coders at Work
[16:33] <Wolfger> unless I'm reading that page wrong.
[16:33] <snap-l> Wolfger: I think you're seriously reading that wrong.
[16:34] <snap-l> Either that, or they're giving you another deal.
[16:35] <Wolfger> Huh. I closed the tab and reopened it, and now it's Coders at Work for $10
[16:37] <brousch> hah, chrome w/ adblock can play youtube OK as long as you don't move the mouse
[16:41] <brousch> krondor: you use xbmc?
[16:41] <krondor> brousch:  Aye, I'm a huge xbmc addict for a long time now
[16:41] <brousch> i'm looking for a media center program for a big workstation i acquired
[16:42] <brousch> was going to try boxee, but they just announced that they are cutting off linux version
[16:43] <brousch> you just slap it on ubuntu 11.10?
[16:43] <krondor> yeah I'm running it on ubuntu 11.10 and a jailbroke atv2 (which I wouldn't recommend)
[16:44] <brousch> i don't care about the TV tuner part, i mostly just want to server music and stored videos
[16:45] <krondor> if you liked boxee you'll like xbmc, but maybe you'll miss the social features
[16:45] <krondor> I never used them in boxee
[16:45] <brousch> bleh, social
[16:45] <brousch> channels would be nice, but aren't strictly needed
[16:45] <brousch> like netlfix, hulu, etc
[16:46] <brousch> this damn thing has 8 cores and 5x750MB drives
[16:46] <krondor> mythtv has increasingly good support for xbmc as a frontend, but I haven't used a dvr (or myth) in some time
[16:48] <krondor> there are plugins for hulu/netflix in xbmc, but netflix needs windows not linux (damn silverlight)
[16:48] <brousch> that's ok, i use the wii now
[16:49] <Wolfger> what, moonlight doesn't work? ;-)
[16:49] <brousch> or my chromebook or my nookcolor
[16:49] <devinheitmueller> Wolfger: Moonlight doesn't include the DRM support required or Netflix.
[16:49] <krondor> there is an amazon prime video plugin for xbmc though that does work in linux, but it's kind of beta
[16:49] <rick_h__> party everyone
[16:49] <rick_h__> krondor: 7pm CHC tonight if you're bored
[16:50] <krondor> hope to be there :)
[16:51] <rick_h__> awesome
[16:51] <krondor> brousch:  best thing about xbmc over boxee is the mysql backend for synchronized media data
[16:51] <krondor> lifehacker had a good writeup http://lifehacker.com/5634515/how-to-synchronize-your-xbmc-media-center-across-every-room-in-the-house
[16:53] <brousch> an, so i can install the client on my laptop and still view stuff from my server?
[16:54] <brousch> heh, article also links 2 others i need to read
[16:55] <krondor> brousch:  yeah, the xbmc wiki is nice too. well maintained particularly the advanced settings.xml functions.
[18:06] <snap-l> Just had my little niece over here
[18:06] <rick_h__> nice
[18:06] <snap-l> Yeah, she's adorable
[18:06] <snap-l> you can see her testing my bro-in-law
[18:07] <snap-l> She was folding over and chewing on the carpet
[18:08] <snap-l> and she was testinghim to see if he'd relent
[18:09] <rick_h__> heh, yea that's fun
[18:09] <rick_h__> we're getting the head butting on the floor once in a while
[18:12] <snap-l> They'll definitely do everything in their power to test their boundaries
[18:13] <rick_h__> yea, Michael is officially 2 today. So I can finally say he's entered terrible two phase
[18:13] <snap-l> You can see the little gears turn
[18:13] <rick_h__> he's been sick making it all the more fun the last two days
[18:13] <snap-l> Ugh
[18:13] <brousch> two's are nothing
[18:13] <brousch> NOTHING
[18:13] <rick_h__> :P
[18:13] <snap-l> brousch: Yeah, wait for the twrrible twenties.
[18:15] <brousch> threes
[18:15] <snap-l> I was being sarcastic. ;)
[18:17] <krondor> ah yes threes, the twos now with improved calculation and motive
[18:17] <rick_h__> yea, when my bro was little I called it "terrible twos, terrifying threes, fearsome fours!"
[18:18] <brousch> fours aren't so bad so far
[18:25] <Wolfger> speaking only as an "uncle", 3 is the worst age
[18:26] <Wolfger> speaking of kids.... I'm going to spam you all now. :-)
[18:27] <Wolfger> My best friend recently published his first children's book, done completely on free software (Kubuntu, Gimp, etc)  http://www.amazon.com/Zombielocks-Daniel-M-Pipe-II/dp/146642348X/ref=sr_1_1
[18:28] <Wolfger> There's also a non-Amazon link for the Amazon haters. I'll dig it out if anybody wants it.
[18:31] <snap-l> Interesting.
[18:32] <brousch> looks creepy
[19:25] <rick_h__> bah, looks like router wireless is gone...booo. Router reboots, works over wire, but wireless won't connect any more
[19:25]  * rick_h__ plays taps for the ole 54GL that's been running tomato for years now
[19:29] <krondor> I recommend Buffalo they're cheap and support DD-WRT ootb
[19:30] <rick_h__> yea, see their list
[19:30] <rick_h__> but the links don't match the search terms, strange
[19:39] <krondor> this is what I'm running; http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833162031
[19:44] <krondor> hmm, but reading the reviews maybe you don't want that lol.  Not a lot of good things said about the v2 model
[19:49] <snap-l> I've been kicking around getting a faster router, but haven't as of yet because I love Tomato
[20:18] <rick_h__> yea, while I don't run a custom firmware on it, I do like my cisco/linksys N router I got a while back
[20:18] <rick_h__> thinking of just getting the replacement for that model
[20:19] <rick_h__> I don't tend to really do a ton with the router these days. I've got servers for all that stuff. Just port forward things you stupid router
[20:20] <rick_h__> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001SEL36M/ref=wms_ohs_product is what I have for my "roku only" router
[20:21] <rick_h__> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004T9RR7C/ref=wms_ohs_product is what I'm going to grab I think for the every day device use replacement
[21:28] <brousch> can ya'll see these photo galleries? https://picasaweb.google.com/102663141609195877664
[22:10] <snap-l> Hmm, not seeing much tomato support for N routers
[22:17] <rick_h__> +
[22:22] <snap-l> Looking at the Tomato USB pages.
[22:25] <jrwren> i'm disappointed in router firmwares.
[22:25] <jrwren> openwrt, ddwrt, tomatousb all seem to have died IMO.
[22:25] <jrwren> they stopped adding cool things.
[22:25] <jrwren> I'm back to a "server" firewall.
[22:26] <snap-l> Well, it seems that all of the firmware development hasn't really made it to the N routers
[22:27] <jrwren> oh no, ddwrt supports lots of n routers.
[22:27] <jrwren> and openwrt supports a good few.
[22:27] <snap-l> Right, but tomato doesn't.
[22:27] <jrwren> right.
[22:27] <snap-l> and I like Tomato
[22:27] <jrwren> tomatousb seems to have the least support.
[22:27] <jrwren> i like tomoto teh best too.
[22:28] <jrwren> although in principle i should like openwrt
[22:28] <jrwren> but i find its difficult to use is so great it outweighs the principles of the matter.
[22:39] <snap-l> Any opinions on the NETGEAR WNR3500L?