[00:41] fivedaysahead: cheese? [00:43] !best | fivedaysahead [00:43] fivedaysahead: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots. [00:55] thanks! [01:21] if i delete a user [01:21] will it automatically delete all the configuration files associated with that user [01:21] like /user1/x11vnc files just for that user === Nax is now known as Exio|Away [05:29] Would Xfce log an error for freezing regardless of if Xfce actually had the causing error? [06:08] I just ran X Daignostic and found it froze the screen at CPU/clock testing. However, the CD/DVD drive light was flashing and I could hear it -trying- to read a disc. Does this mean it is the screen freezing and not actually the entire system? [09:14] xubuntu 12.04 will be LTS? [09:22] yes [09:36] great! [09:37] * Marzata is installing 12.04 ... [14:49] Does anyone know what i have to do to get the "Cpu Frequency Monitor"-applet to work. It seems to be stuck on the "ondemand" governor, when i try to change the governor nothing happens and it stays "ondemand" [15:19] anyone know why my umask would be 0002, I thougth it was 0022 by default and Ive not changed it. [15:22] <_Pete_> mongy: someone/something is then changed it, myone is also 0022 and haven't touch it [15:23] my .profile has umask 022 commented out, so there is no umask setting and there isnt one in /etc/profile either [15:24] dont know where to look to see when/who changed [15:27] <_Pete_> mongy: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com/msg00628.html [15:28] ah [15:29] phew [15:29] <_Pete_> myone is still the old [16:25] what does LTS mean? [16:27] fivedaysahead: Long term support. [16:27] !lts | fivedaysahead [16:27] fivedaysahead: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04) [16:30] ooooh [16:30] got it thanks!!! [16:30] very helpful [16:31] if i write a bash script is there away to have it open an ssh connection for me? [16:35] fivedaysahead> depends the way you use to authenticates on the ssh server [16:36] usually i just type in the terminal ssh -X (sometimes) user@host and then it prompts me for a password and then it ype it in is there away to automate typing in the password in a script? [16:36] mmhhh [16:36] I m not expert in scrit writing [16:36] mmhhh? [16:36] i think better way is to use key auth [16:40] hi is there any good looking fonts for xfce (xubuntu 11.10) and themes? [16:41] there are billions of good looking fonts [16:42] gnome-look.org gtk3 section for themes [16:42] # Look for passwod prompt [16:42] expect "*?assword:*" [16:42] # Send password aka $password [16:42] send -- "$password\r" [16:42] might try that see if that works [16:43] fivedaysahead: just authorize with keys, then you don't need passwords [16:46] i'm not too sure how to do that i will look into that thanks [16:46] Sysi, how can I make gtk3 work with xubuntu? [16:47] please don't crosspost [16:47] gtk3 just works once you have theme with gtk2 and gtk3 [16:48] what is the syntax for using the ash pwd command? I'm working on a box where the user has forgotten his password. I can get to an ash prompt. [16:48] Sysi, I will put it in /usr/share/themes? [16:49] Kurdistan: http://binbashblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/manually-change-gtk3-theme-in-xubuntu.html [16:49] idk if that helps you at all [16:50] Kurdistan: ~/.themes is better [16:50] fivedaysahead, thx. [16:51] Sysi, there is no themes in home directory [16:51] should I create one? [16:52] np [16:52] "/.themes" does that mean it's a hidden folder? [16:52] it does [16:53] starting with with point means hidden [16:53] just as i suspecte [16:53] d [16:53] remember that /.themes/ is different than ~/.themes/ [16:53] and yeas, create that folder [16:54] Sysi, :) yes I know starting with points means hidden. [16:54] what's the difference between xfce and xubuntu session? [16:54] ~/.themes/ <<<--- means home directery :) [16:54] on first login they load different settings, doesn't matter after that [16:55] yes, ~/ is home [16:58] Sysi, I will download http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0&xcontentmode=100 [16:58] put it in ~/.themes/ [16:58] log out/log in [16:59] then I can pick? [16:59] I don't thikn any of those has gtk3 [17:00] Sysi, gtk2 does not work? [17:00] xfce is based on gtk2 [17:00] xfce 4.8 [17:01] if you're running 11.10 you have gtk3 apps [17:02] Sysi, oki. then I get it. [17:02] how do i switch to a different startx screen? ctrl alt F8? [17:02] Sysi, download from here? http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=167&PHPSESSID=30560c0f6cf5be0fe7711545f5f4ec00 [17:02] f7 [17:03] Kurdistan: those should work [17:03] is there a way to do it from the terminal to switch? [17:04] Sysi, thx. [17:10] what happens when you pass ctrl alt f12 in making startx's [17:17] Sysi, I will log out/in [17:17] brb [17:17] cody [17:17] ok [17:28] does xubuntu come with icewm by default? [17:31] I thought xubuntu uses Xfce? [17:32] it does but does i guess what i was asking was does it come with icewm installed as an option to switch to it if you choose [17:33] seeing that icewm is not an option on the login screen, I would say no [17:33] thank you sir [17:35] do you know how to switch between X screens i know ctrl alt f8 through f12 [17:35] is there a way to do it with a command in the terminal? [17:36] sudo apt-get install icewm [17:36] thanks [17:36] oh thats not what you asked for? :) [17:37] no I don't know how to switch screen via command line [17:38] oooh dang [17:38] cause i wanted to know how you would switch to say screen 6 which would be ctrl alt 13 but i have no 13 :( [17:38] and if i remote into my comp via my java x11vnc i can't send ctrl alt keystrokes to go to ctrl alt f7 [17:39] or f8 [17:39] hello. can anybody help me please with claw-mail and mail.ru? [17:39] fivedaysahead: I think you need to have x11vnc running in right xsession [17:40] I usually use only one local X so I don't really know [17:41] "/usr/bin/startx /usr/bin/icewm -- :1" should start icewm on my second x ya? [17:46] it worked!!! [17:46] wow that's cool [17:46] hurray [17:46] how did you do it? [17:48] sudo apt-get install icewm [17:48] installed that [17:49] then startx /usr/bin/icewm -- :1 [17:49] then i set up x11vnc on display 1 and remoted into it and could see icewm [17:49] :) [17:55] but then my other vnc got messed up for some reason [17:55] and i had to restart my comp :( [18:16] how do i ctrl alt 13 if i don't have a 13 key :( [18:25] fivedaysahead: ctrl+alt+e [18:32] ctrl alt e did nothing :( [18:45] how do I change the password using the alternate install disk? [19:01] unimpressed that I have had to ditch xubuntu 11.10 too [19:01] going back to 10.04 [19:01] it freezes on bootup (why) [19:02] you would need to read the messages to know that [19:02] well hey [19:02] i'd rather just install 10.04 - totally reliable [19:02] i have no time for diagnosing obvious problems [19:02] things that should be resolved [19:03] also -- I noticed it's slower than 10.04 [19:03] so i'm definitely going back to 10.04 [19:03] xubuntu rules no matter which version :) [19:03] i'm loving xubuntu [19:04] only thing I worry about (just downloading it now{) is thatI get my nice window theme [19:04] if not np [19:04] i love it too :) [19:04] are the windows themes on 4.5 xfce the same as on the xubuntu 10.04 xfce [19:04] i use that "microgui" theme [19:05] i'm not sure or not [19:06] i'm using slimline [19:06] slimline on what 10.04? the theme setup is differnent I notice [19:06] not the same themes [19:06] on 11.10 [19:06] micro gui is nice too just tried it [19:07] rhin01: the obbvious problem is probably with your hardware, but suit yourself [19:07] its a pc [19:07] a standard pc [19:07] bad iso burn? [19:07] if ubuntu has obvious problems hanging on a standard pc then I don't want ot know [19:07] did you check the md5sum? [19:07] rhin01: there is no such thing since c.a. 1985 [19:08] well one thing #I know is 10.04 is more reliable and faster than 11.10 ... 11.10 wouldn't shut down all the time and now - I fi nd it won't boot up ... freezes [19:09] I say again - won't deal with obvious problems [19:09] no way [19:09] enough things to do -- my solution? downgrade to something reliable [19:09] (10.04) [19:09] tbh if it is showing such obvious problems on a pretty standard pc then I ditch it [19:10] thats how I work [19:10] immature product [19:10] shame really - i liked the look of 11.10 [19:11] you may say - well deal with it -- I deal with obscure problems all the time I am not going to fix ubuntu for the ubuntu people no way [19:12] its just ugly to have to deal with -- diagnosing error reports etc [19:12] could do it but it would take hours [19:19] that it could haha [19:23] rhin01: fine, it's your decission, just don't complain [19:23] ok [19:23] how do i go to ctrl alt F8 to F12 to switch consoles? right? [19:24] i used that for the 1st time today - foundout what it was (when the gui wouldn't boot up) [19:24] amazed to find that it was connected to internet and could ssh/nfs to it etc [19:24] v pleased [19:25] very nice [19:25] knew this years ago but had forgot [19:25] ctrl alt f8 will go to second console [19:25] i can use use startx /usr/bin/icewm -- :1 create a gui console in F8 or :2 if i want to make it in F9 [19:25] because i insalled icewm [19:26] i got beer === rhin01 is now known as rhin0 [19:26] is that a program or a drink? [19:26] lol [19:26] v1.0.001a [19:27] but if i have more than 7 virtual consoles and I don't know how to access ctrl alt F14 or F13 to get to those :( [19:30] im thinking xubuntu is better than ubuntu (10.04 both) for a development machine [19:30] yes ... [19:30] i think you might be right [19:30] xubuntu is lower resource ubuntu -- doesn't use as much memory etc [19:30] faster [19:31] but there has been some debate about that [19:31] i tried lubuntu but much prefer xubuntu [19:31] tbh have used xubuntu 10.04 for > 18 months now - never had a problem with it [19:32] thinking -- on my backup laptop still currently it is the thing to boot into when I need to resolve problems fast [19:33] got a dell inspiron 1525 old laptop here the lifeboat I call it [19:33] lol [19:33] nice name [19:34] gr8 laptop for ubuntu -- was actually ordered from dell with ubuntu 9.10 on it [19:34] v cheap [19:34] 1 gig of ram and who really needs more with it [19:35] since I got it keyboard has been replaced (wore out) and it's got a 500gb drive in it :-D [19:35] v easy machine to maintain - later dells I can't really maintain [19:35] I mean take apart [19:35] truee [19:36] windows for me is just a dim and distant nightmare [19:38] lol [19:38] i'm on windows right now [19:39] i just have linux set up on my tv laptop so i can remote into it [19:40] hey guys, we have this channel #xubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chatter. thanks! :) [19:40] last time I went in there they said I was offtopic [19:40] ahh sorry [19:40] :( [19:41] rhin0, all support belongs in this channel. [19:41] s/in/to/ [19:41] how do i access virtual console 7? [19:41] ctrl alt f13 i have no f13 key please help :( [19:42] huh? f7 rather? :P [19:42] well let's say i do startx --:1 up to like 10 [19:42] how do i access those? high ones [19:43] why would you ever do that? [19:43] say i set up many remote vnc's on one comp on each startx [19:43] that way many people can remote in and have their own vnc enviro [19:44] i just want to know how to switch to startx say 10? i mean there must be a reason you can make that many startx's but no way to switch to them from the keyboard?? [19:46] would make more sense if users had vnc autostarting when they start their session [19:47] but how would they know what port it started on? [19:47] if many people are starting and stopping vnc services as they sign in and out [19:48] as administrator you'd tell them [19:49] oooh i can set the port with x11vnc i wouldn't just let it count up automatically i forgot i could do that [19:49] thanks [19:49] but still how would one switch to startx 10? with the keyboard there must be away [19:57] off to watch the new christmas top gear special :) [20:08] hello, I want to use a dual-head-setup with the fglrx driver. The driver version is 2:8.920-0ubuntu1. The second display should be left of the first display. If I start the amdcccle with root privileges and want to save the settings, it crashes with a segfault. So I did a sudo amdconfig --initial=dual-head --screen-layout=left --dtop=horizontal,reverse but get the error "Options, e.g. --dtop and --desktop-setup, are not supported when RandR 1. [20:08] 2 is enabled!". I added in the /etc/ati/amdpcsdb under the section [AMDPCSROOT/SYSTEM/DDX] an EnableRandR12=Sfalse, but after a restart a amdconfig --query-monitors still gives me the error "Error: option --query-monitor is not supported when RandR 1.2 is enabled!". My xorg.conf looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/786125/ [20:09] phre4k: arandr is what i have been using [20:10] don't you have a solution without RandR? [20:12] phre4k: arandr not an option for you? [20:12] mh, I'll try it out. [20:15] Can anyone point me in the direction of a fix for the 8188.8192CE wpa bug? [20:16] ian__: ?> [20:20] so, I tried arandr, but only one screen is visible. If I open it on the other screen, the other screen is visible... [20:20] phre4k: if you open what? on what? [20:21] drag other away from top of the first one [20:22] If I open arandr on the other display... atm both displays are working and I can move my cursor between them, but they have seperate desktops... [20:22] i thought thats what you wanted... when you said you wanted the 2nd one on the left of the first one [20:23] the 'display' tool included in xubuntu should do 'cloning' [20:23] no, I wanted to have a big desktop, not two seperate desktops [20:23] i've installed xubuntu 10.04 after what can only be described as a disaster with mint 12 and now my wifi card detects my network but can not connect to it [20:24] I had to manually install the 8188/8192CE drivers after initial install and it seems there is a bug with WPA [20:24] phre4k: you mean you want to stretch wallpaper and panel over both screens? [20:24] ian__: you have disabled WPA and tested connecting? [20:24] no, I want to have two wallpapers and the panel on one screen. [20:25] but I want to move windows across both displays. [20:25] phre4k: you can arrange the monitors as you wish in arandr [20:25] no, I can't, as only one display is visible in arandr at one time^^ [20:25] phre4k: you should be able to just stretch windows [20:26] phre4k: thats not been my findings [20:26] I'll try something out and come back later. [20:29] I don't have authority to do that [20:30] so, now I see both displays in arandr, but when I try to move the first display to the right of the second display, it doesn't work - the grey area I see is not as big as it has to be. [20:30] I'll make a screenshot. [20:31] what graphics card do you have, are you usinf propietrary driver? [20:31] ian__: you'll have to keep our conversation in the channel [20:32] I have a AMD Radeon HD 5670 and use the fglrx driver in version 2:8.920-0ubuntu1 [20:32] phre4k: there are settings for enabling, disabling.. setting the resolution.. if you literally just started using arandr, just poke around in it a bit [20:33] here's a screenshot: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7968/arandr.png [20:33] ian__: i would try and confirm that you are indeed experiencing a bug... maybe go to another wifi [20:33] Understood. Anyways, I was able to connect to my phones tethering which is broadcast as open but when I try to connect to the secured network it simply scans, fails, scans, fails [20:34] ian__: that sounds like it supports the theory then... i would probably try an 11.10 live CD, and see if functionality has been added/fixed [20:34] phre4k: you need to use aticonfig or edit xorg.conf [20:34] i would also search for and apply all upgrades to your 10.04 ian__ [20:34] Understood. Thank you [20:35] Done. No updates available. both through gui and apt-get [20:36] ian__: so, you can try other drivers.. i dont know where you got the driver you are using, but i have had that issue with a device, and i used the windows driver with ndis [20:37] Any links? [20:37] Sorry for being a bugger [20:38] ian__: you'll need to just search for the drivers for that device... on the manufacturer site [20:38] i had to try a few [20:38] Copy [20:38] it was *not* trivial... [20:39] ndisgtk makes it so much easier than it used to be [20:40] installing now [20:40] ndisgtk that is [20:54] so, I managed to get a working dual-screen setup with arandr/xrandr. But now I want to use this setup every bootup and not only after a login. Where do I put the script? [21:01] rebooting time to test === Nax is now known as Exio [21:16] does anyone here have experience with or good and up to date references for using SSDs with linux? [21:18] just what ive heard from friends, and on podcasts... [21:18] i have it installed on my ssd on this comp and it seemed to work well idk references or anything [21:18] i am just trying to figure out what "the best" file system to use would be [21:19] you can set "discard" mount option in /etc/fstab, not really anything other worth considering [21:19] I think that option only works with ext4, which is great FS anyway [21:19] ok, i heard some file systems were better than others but the articles i found were old [21:20] i saw that discard works with btrfs as well [21:20] Sysi how do i open leafpad from the terminal but not have the terminal focus on it have it run behind the terminal but still open? [21:20] I'm not sure if btrfs is stable yet [21:20] leafpad & [21:21] so i would assume that nilfs is not stable yet either then? [21:21] but that focuses on leafpad [21:21] afaik [21:21] i want the terminal to remain on top [21:21] if possible [21:22] last time i tried btrfs it was still buggy.. thats was maybe 10.10 though [21:22] fivedaysahead: something with wmctrl if you don't want to change window manager settings [21:22] right click on the task bar (terminal button) and click "always on top"? [21:22] ..or that [21:24] hmmm i guess what i really want is to be able to run startx -- :1 without it automatically switching to that screen [21:41] hi all [21:41] need a little help plz [21:42] cant play divx, gstream and all codecs with it are installed [21:45] do you have VLC? [21:45] what player are you trying to use? [21:45] try VLC [21:45] always seems to work [21:46] sudo apt-get install VLC if it's not already [21:54] hello.can anybody help me with Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_set_tooltip_text: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed in claws-mail? [22:58] I just removed gdm and installed lightdm. Is http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1424370 normal?