[00:41] <Marzata> fivedaysahead: cheese?
[00:43] <Unit193> !best | fivedaysahead
[00:55] <fivedaysahead> thanks!
[01:21] <fivedaysahead> if i delete a user
[01:21] <fivedaysahead> will it automatically delete all the configuration files associated with that user
[01:21] <fivedaysahead> like /user1/x11vnc files just for that user
[05:29] <skegeek> Would Xfce log an error for freezing regardless of if Xfce actually had the causing error?
[06:08] <skegeek> I just ran X Daignostic and found it froze the screen at CPU/clock testing. However, the CD/DVD drive light was flashing and I could hear it -trying- to read a disc. Does this mean it is the screen freezing and not actually the entire system?
[09:14] <Marzata> xubuntu 12.04 will be LTS?
[09:22] <Sysi> yes
[09:36] <Marzata> great!
[09:37]  * Marzata is installing 12.04 ... 
[14:49] <neronin> Does anyone know what i have to do to get the "Cpu Frequency Monitor"-applet to work. It seems to be stuck on the "ondemand" governor, when i try to change the governor nothing happens and it stays "ondemand"
[15:19] <mongy> anyone know why my umask would be 0002, I thougth it was 0022 by default and Ive not changed it.
[15:22] <_Pete_> mongy: someone/something is then changed it, myone is also 0022 and haven't touch it
[15:23] <mongy> my .profile has umask 022 commented out, so there is no umask setting and there isnt one in /etc/profile either
[15:24] <mongy> dont know where to look to see when/who changed
[15:27] <_Pete_> mongy: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com/msg00628.html
[15:28] <mongy> ah
[15:29] <mongy> phew
[15:29] <_Pete_> myone is still the old
[16:25] <fivedaysahead> what does LTS mean?
[16:27] <Pici> fivedaysahead: Long term support.
[16:27] <Pici> !lts | fivedaysahead
[16:30] <fivedaysahead> ooooh
[16:30] <fivedaysahead> got it thanks!!!
[16:30] <fivedaysahead> very helpful
[16:31] <fivedaysahead> if i write a bash script is there away to have it open an ssh connection for me?
[16:35] <thy-> fivedaysahead>  depends the way you use to authenticates on the ssh server
[16:36] <fivedaysahead> usually i just type in the terminal ssh -X (sometimes) user@host and then it prompts me for a password and then it ype it in is there away to automate typing in the password in a script?
[16:36] <thy-> mmhhh
[16:36] <thy-> I m not expert in scrit writing
[16:36] <fivedaysahead> mmhhh?
[16:36] <thy-> i think better way is to use key auth
[16:40] <Kurdistan> hi is there any good looking fonts for xfce (xubuntu 11.10) and themes?
[16:41] <TheSheep> there are billions of good looking fonts
[16:42] <Sysi> gnome-look.org gtk3 section for themes
[16:42] <fivedaysahead> # Look for passwod prompt
[16:42] <fivedaysahead> expect "*?assword:*"
[16:42] <fivedaysahead> # Send password aka $password
[16:42] <fivedaysahead> send -- "$password\r"
[16:42] <fivedaysahead> might try that see if that works
[16:43] <TheSheep> fivedaysahead: just authorize with keys, then you don't need passwords
[16:46] <fivedaysahead> i'm not too sure how to do that i will look into that thanks
[16:46] <Kurdistan> Sysi, how can I make gtk3 work with xubuntu?
[16:47] <Sysi> please don't crosspost
[16:47] <Sysi> gtk3 just works once you have theme with gtk2 and gtk3
[16:48] <n2diy> what is the syntax for using the ash pwd command? I'm working on a box where the user has forgotten his password. I can get to an ash prompt.
[16:48] <Kurdistan> Sysi, I will put it in /usr/share/themes?
[16:49] <fivedaysahead> Kurdistan: http://binbashblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/manually-change-gtk3-theme-in-xubuntu.html
[16:49] <fivedaysahead> idk if that helps you at all
[16:50] <Sysi> Kurdistan: ~/.themes is better
[16:50] <Kurdistan> fivedaysahead, thx.
[16:51] <Kurdistan> Sysi, there is no themes in home directory
[16:51] <Kurdistan> should I create one?
[16:52] <fivedaysahead> np
[16:52] <fivedaysahead> "/.themes" does that mean it's a hidden folder?
[16:52] <thy-> it does
[16:53] <Sysi> starting with with point means hidden
[16:53] <fivedaysahead> just as i suspecte
[16:53] <fivedaysahead> d
[16:53] <Pici> remember that /.themes/ is different than ~/.themes/
[16:53] <Sysi> and yeas, create that folder
[16:54] <Kurdistan> Sysi, :) yes I know starting with points means hidden.
[16:54] <fivedaysahead> what's the difference between xfce and xubuntu session?
[16:54] <Kurdistan> ~/.themes/ <<<--- means home directery :)
[16:54] <Sysi> on first login they load different settings, doesn't matter after that
[16:55] <Sysi> yes, ~/ is home
[16:58] <Kurdistan> Sysi, I will download http://xfce-look.org/index.php?xsortmode=high&page=0&xcontentmode=100
[16:58] <Kurdistan> put it in ~/.themes/
[16:58] <Kurdistan> log out/log in
[16:59] <Kurdistan> then I can pick?
[16:59] <Sysi> I don't thikn any of those has gtk3
[17:00] <Kurdistan> Sysi, gtk2 does not work?
[17:00] <Kurdistan> xfce is based on gtk2
[17:00] <Kurdistan> xfce 4.8
[17:01] <Sysi> if you're running 11.10 you have gtk3 apps
[17:02] <Kurdistan> Sysi, oki. then I get it.
[17:02] <fivedaysahead> how do i switch to a different startx screen? ctrl alt F8?
[17:02] <Kurdistan> Sysi, download from here? http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=167&PHPSESSID=30560c0f6cf5be0fe7711545f5f4ec00
[17:02] <Kurdistan> f7
[17:03] <Sysi> Kurdistan: those should work
[17:03] <fivedaysahead> is there a way to do it from the terminal to switch?
[17:04] <Kurdistan> Sysi, thx.
[17:10] <fivedaysahead> what happens when you pass ctrl alt f12 in making startx's
[17:17] <Kurdistan> Sysi, I will log out/in
[17:17] <Kurdistan> brb
[17:17] <fivedaysahead> cody
[17:17] <fivedaysahead> ok
[17:28] <fivedaysahead> does xubuntu come with icewm by default?
[17:31] <projekt26> I thought xubuntu uses Xfce?
[17:32] <fivedaysahead> it does but does i guess what i was asking was does it come with icewm installed as an option to switch to it if you choose
[17:33] <projekt26> seeing that icewm is not an option on the login screen, I would say no
[17:33] <fivedaysahead> thank you sir
[17:35] <fivedaysahead> do you know how to switch between X screens i know ctrl alt f8 through f12
[17:35] <fivedaysahead> is there a way to do it with a command in the terminal?
[17:36] <projekt26> sudo apt-get install icewm
[17:36] <fivedaysahead> thanks
[17:36] <projekt26> oh thats not what you asked for? :)
[17:37] <projekt26> no I don't know how to switch screen via command line
[17:38] <fivedaysahead> oooh dang
[17:38] <fivedaysahead> cause i wanted to know how you would switch to say screen 6 which would be ctrl alt 13 but i have no 13 :(
[17:38] <fivedaysahead> and if i remote into my comp via my java x11vnc i can't send ctrl alt keystrokes to go to ctrl alt f7
[17:39] <fivedaysahead> or f8
[17:39] <go8765> hello. can anybody help me please with claw-mail and mail.ru?
[17:39] <Sysi> fivedaysahead: I think you need to have x11vnc running in right xsession
[17:40] <Sysi> I usually use only one local X so I don't really know
[17:41] <fivedaysahead>  "/usr/bin/startx /usr/bin/icewm -- :1" should start icewm on my second x ya?
[17:46] <fivedaysahead> it worked!!!
[17:46] <fivedaysahead> wow that's cool
[17:46] <projekt26> hurray
[17:46] <projekt26> how did you do it?
[17:48] <fivedaysahead> sudo apt-get install icewm
[17:48] <fivedaysahead> installed that
[17:49] <fivedaysahead> then startx /usr/bin/icewm -- :1
[17:49] <fivedaysahead> then i set up x11vnc on display 1 and remoted into it and could see icewm
[17:49] <projekt26> :)
[17:55] <fivedaysahead> but then my other vnc got messed up for some reason
[17:55] <fivedaysahead> and i had to restart my comp :(
[18:16] <fivedaysahead> how do i ctrl alt 13 if i don't have a 13 key :(
[18:25] <TheSheep> fivedaysahead: ctrl+alt+e
[18:32] <fivedaysahead> ctrl alt e did nothing :(
[18:45] <n2diy> how do I change the password using the alternate install disk?
[19:01] <rhin01> unimpressed that I have had to ditch xubuntu 11.10 too
[19:01] <rhin01> going back to 10.04
[19:01] <rhin01> it freezes on bootup (why)
[19:02] <TheSheep> you would need to read the messages to know that
[19:02] <rhin01> well hey
[19:02] <rhin01> i'd rather just install 10.04 - totally reliable
[19:02] <rhin01> i have no time for diagnosing obvious problems
[19:02] <rhin01> things that should be resolved
[19:03] <rhin01> also -- I noticed it's slower than 10.04
[19:03] <rhin01> so i'm definitely going back to 10.04
[19:03] <fivedaysahead> xubuntu rules no matter which version :)
[19:03] <fivedaysahead> i'm loving xubuntu
[19:04] <rhin01> only thing I worry about (just downloading it now{) is thatI get my nice window theme
[19:04] <rhin01> if not np
[19:04] <rhin01> i love it too :)
[19:04] <rhin01> are the windows themes on 4.5 xfce the same as on the xubuntu 10.04 xfce
[19:04] <rhin01> i use that "microgui" theme
[19:05] <fivedaysahead> i'm not sure or not
[19:06] <fivedaysahead> i'm using slimline
[19:06] <rhin01> slimline on what 10.04?  the theme setup is differnent I notice
[19:06] <rhin01> not the same themes
[19:06] <fivedaysahead> on 11.10
[19:06] <fivedaysahead> micro gui is nice too just tried it
[19:07] <TheSheep> rhin01: the obbvious problem is probably with your hardware, but suit yourself
[19:07] <rhin01> its a pc
[19:07] <rhin01> a standard pc
[19:07] <fivedaysahead> bad iso burn?
[19:07] <rhin01> if ubuntu has obvious problems hanging on a standard pc then I don't want ot know
[19:07] <fivedaysahead> did you check the md5sum?
[19:07] <TheSheep> rhin01: there is no such thing since c.a. 1985
[19:08] <rhin01> well one thing #I know is 10.04 is more reliable and faster than 11.10 ... 11.10 wouldn't shut down all the time and now - I fi nd it won't boot up ... freezes
[19:09] <rhin01> I say again - won't deal with obvious problems
[19:09] <rhin01> no way
[19:09] <rhin01> enough things to do -- my solution?  downgrade to something reliable
[19:09] <rhin01> (10.04)
[19:09] <rhin01> tbh if it is showing such obvious problems on a pretty standard pc then I ditch it
[19:10] <rhin01> thats how I work
[19:10] <rhin01> immature product
[19:10] <rhin01> shame really - i liked the look of 11.10
[19:11] <rhin01> you may say - well deal with it -- I deal with obscure problems all the time I am not going to fix ubuntu for the ubuntu people no way
[19:12] <rhin01> its just ugly to have to deal with -- diagnosing error reports etc
[19:12] <rhin01> could do it but it would take hours
[19:19] <fivedaysahead> that it could haha
[19:23] <TheSheep> rhin01: fine, it's your decission, just don't complain
[19:23] <rhin01> ok
[19:23] <fivedaysahead> how do i go to ctrl alt F8 to F12 to switch consoles? right?
[19:24] <rhin01> i used that for the 1st time today - foundout  what it was (when the gui wouldn't boot up)
[19:24] <rhin01> amazed to find that it was connected to internet and could ssh/nfs to it etc
[19:24] <rhin01> v pleased
[19:25] <fivedaysahead> very nice
[19:25] <rhin01> knew this years ago but had forgot
[19:25] <fivedaysahead> ctrl alt f8 will go to second console
[19:25] <fivedaysahead> i can use use startx /usr/bin/icewm -- :1 create a gui console in F8 or :2 if i want to make it in F9
[19:25] <fivedaysahead> because i insalled icewm
[19:26] <rhin01> i got beer
[19:26] <fivedaysahead> is that a program or a drink?
[19:26] <fivedaysahead> lol
[19:26] <rhin0> v1.0.001a
[19:27] <fivedaysahead> but if i have more than 7 virtual consoles and I don't know how to access ctrl alt F14 or F13 to get to those :(
[19:30] <rhin0> im thinking xubuntu is better than ubuntu (10.04 both) for a development machine
[19:30] <rhin0> yes ...
[19:30] <fivedaysahead> i think  you might be right
[19:30] <rhin0> xubuntu is lower resource ubuntu -- doesn't use as much memory etc
[19:30] <rhin0> faster
[19:31] <rhin0> but there has been some debate about that
[19:31] <fivedaysahead> i tried lubuntu but much prefer xubuntu
[19:31] <rhin0> tbh have used xubuntu 10.04 for > 18 months now - never had a problem with it
[19:32] <rhin0> thinking -- on my backup laptop still currently it is the thing to boot into when I need to resolve problems fast
[19:33] <rhin0> got a dell inspiron 1525 old laptop here the lifeboat I call it
[19:33] <fivedaysahead> lol
[19:33] <fivedaysahead> nice name
[19:34] <rhin0> gr8 laptop for ubuntu  -- was actually ordered from dell with ubuntu 9.10 on it
[19:34] <rhin0> v cheap
[19:34] <rhin0> 1 gig of ram and who really needs more with it
[19:35] <rhin0> since I got it keyboard has been replaced (wore out) and it's got a 500gb drive  in it :-D
[19:35] <rhin0> v easy machine to maintain - later dells I can't really maintain
[19:35] <rhin0> I mean take apart
[19:35] <fivedaysahead> truee
[19:36] <rhin0> windows for me is just a dim and distant nightmare
[19:38] <fivedaysahead> lol
[19:38] <fivedaysahead> i'm on windows right now
[19:39] <fivedaysahead> i just have linux set up on my tv laptop so i can remote into it
[19:40] <knome> hey guys, we have this channel #xubuntu-offtopic for offtopic chatter. thanks! :)
[19:40] <rhin0> last time I went in there they said I was offtopic
[19:40] <fivedaysahead> ahh sorry
[19:40] <rhin0> :(
[19:41] <knome> rhin0, all support belongs in this channel.
[19:41] <knome> s/in/to/
[19:41] <fivedaysahead> how do i access virtual console 7?
[19:41] <fivedaysahead> ctrl alt f13 i have no f13 key please help :(
[19:42] <knome> huh? f7 rather? :P
[19:42] <fivedaysahead> well let's say i do startx --:1 up to like 10
[19:42] <fivedaysahead> how do i access those? high ones
[19:43] <Sysi> why would you ever do that?
[19:43] <fivedaysahead> say i set up many remote vnc's on one comp on each startx
[19:43] <fivedaysahead> that way many people can remote in and have their own vnc enviro
[19:44] <fivedaysahead> i just want to know how to switch to startx say 10? i mean there must be a reason you can make that many startx's but no way to switch to them from the keyboard??
[19:46] <Sysi> would make more sense if users had vnc autostarting when they start their session
[19:47] <fivedaysahead> but how would they know what port it started on?
[19:47] <fivedaysahead> if many people are starting and stopping vnc services as they sign in and out
[19:48] <Sysi> as administrator you'd tell them
[19:49] <fivedaysahead> oooh i can set the port with x11vnc i wouldn't just let it count up automatically i forgot i could do that
[19:49] <fivedaysahead> thanks
[19:49] <fivedaysahead> but still how would one switch to startx 10? with the keyboard there must be away
[19:57] <logjam> off to watch the new christmas top gear special :)
[20:08] <phre4k> hello, I want to use a dual-head-setup with the fglrx driver. The driver version is 2:8.920-0ubuntu1. The second display should be left of the first display. If I start the amdcccle with root privileges and want to save the settings, it crashes with a segfault. So I did a sudo amdconfig --initial=dual-head --screen-layout=left --dtop=horizontal,reverse but get the error "Options, e.g. --dtop and --desktop-setup, are not supported when RandR 1.
[20:08] <phre4k> 2 is enabled!". I added in the /etc/ati/amdpcsdb under the section [AMDPCSROOT/SYSTEM/DDX] an EnableRandR12=Sfalse, but after a restart a amdconfig --query-monitors still gives me the error "Error: option --query-monitor is not supported when RandR 1.2 is enabled!". My xorg.conf looks like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/786125/
[20:09] <holstein> phre4k: arandr is what i have been using
[20:10] <phre4k> don't you have a solution without RandR?
[20:12] <holstein> phre4k: arandr not an option for you?
[20:12] <phre4k> mh, I'll try it out.
[20:15] <ian__> Can anyone point me in the direction of a fix for the 8188.8192CE wpa bug?
[20:16] <holstein> ian__: ?>
[20:20] <phre4k> so, I tried arandr, but only one screen is visible. If I open it on the other screen, the other screen is visible...
[20:20] <holstein> phre4k: if you open what? on what?
[20:21] <Sysi> drag other away from top of the first one
[20:22] <phre4k> If I open arandr on the other display... atm both displays are working and I can move my cursor between them, but they have seperate desktops...
[20:22] <holstein> i thought thats what you wanted... when you said you wanted the 2nd one on the left of the first one
[20:23] <holstein> the 'display' tool included in xubuntu should do 'cloning'
[20:23] <phre4k> no, I wanted to have a big desktop, not two seperate desktops
[20:23] <ian__> i've installed xubuntu 10.04 after what can only be described as a disaster with mint 12 and now my wifi card detects my network but can not connect to it
[20:24] <ian__> I had to manually install the 8188/8192CE drivers after initial install and it seems there is a bug with WPA
[20:24] <Sysi> phre4k: you mean you want to stretch wallpaper and panel over both screens?
[20:24] <holstein> ian__: you have disabled WPA and tested connecting?
[20:24] <phre4k> no, I want to have two wallpapers and the panel on one screen.
[20:25] <phre4k> but I want to move windows across both displays.
[20:25] <holstein> phre4k: you can arrange the monitors as you wish in arandr
[20:25] <phre4k> no, I can't, as only one display is visible in arandr at one time^^
[20:25] <Sysi> phre4k: you should be able to just stretch windows
[20:26] <holstein> phre4k: thats not been my findings
[20:26] <phre4k> I'll try something out and come back later.
[20:29] <ian__> I don't have authority to do that
[20:30] <phre4k> so, now I see both displays in arandr, but when I try to move the first display to the right of the second display, it doesn't work - the grey area I see is not as big as it has to be.
[20:30] <phre4k> I'll make a screenshot.
[20:31] <Sysi> what graphics card do you have, are you usinf propietrary driver?
[20:31] <holstein> ian__: you'll have to keep our conversation in the channel
[20:32] <phre4k> I have a AMD Radeon HD 5670 and use the fglrx driver in version 2:8.920-0ubuntu1
[20:32] <holstein> phre4k: there are settings for enabling, disabling.. setting the resolution.. if you literally just started using arandr, just poke around in it a bit
[20:33] <phre4k> here's a screenshot: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7968/arandr.png
[20:33] <holstein> ian__: i would try and confirm that you are indeed experiencing a bug... maybe go to another wifi
[20:33] <ian__> Understood. Anyways, I was able to connect to my phones tethering which is broadcast as open but when I try to connect to the secured network it simply scans, fails, scans, fails
[20:34] <holstein> ian__: that sounds like it supports the theory then... i would probably try an 11.10 live CD, and see if functionality has been added/fixed
[20:34] <Sysi> phre4k: you need to use aticonfig or edit xorg.conf
[20:34] <holstein> i would also search for and apply all upgrades to your 10.04 ian__
[20:34] <ian__> Understood. Thank you
[20:35] <ian__> Done. No updates available. both through gui and apt-get
[20:36] <holstein> ian__: so, you can try other drivers.. i dont know where you got the driver you are using, but i have had that issue with a device, and i used the windows driver with ndis
[20:37] <ian__> Any links?
[20:37] <ian__> Sorry for being a bugger
[20:38] <holstein> ian__: you'll need to just search for the drivers for that device... on the manufacturer site
[20:38] <holstein> i had to try a few
[20:38] <ian__> Copy
[20:38] <holstein> it was *not* trivial...
[20:39] <holstein> ndisgtk makes it so much easier than it used to be
[20:40] <ian__> installing now
[20:40] <ian__> ndisgtk that is
[20:54] <phre4k> so, I managed to get a working dual-screen setup with arandr/xrandr. But now I want to use this setup every bootup and not only after a login. Where do I put the script?
[21:01] <ian__> rebooting time to test
[21:16] <bert4389> does anyone here have experience with or good and up to date references for using SSDs with linux?
[21:18] <holstein> just what ive heard from friends, and on podcasts...
[21:18] <fivedaysahead> i have it installed on my ssd on this comp and it seemed to work well idk references or anything
[21:18] <bert4389> i am just trying to figure out what "the best" file system to use would be
[21:19] <Sysi> you can set "discard" mount option in /etc/fstab, not really anything other worth considering
[21:19] <Sysi> I think that option only works with ext4, which is great FS anyway
[21:19] <bert4389> ok, i heard some file systems were better than others but the articles i found were old
[21:20] <bert4389> i saw that discard works with btrfs as well
[21:20] <fivedaysahead> Sysi how do i open leafpad from the terminal but not have the terminal focus on it have it run behind the terminal but still open?
[21:20] <Sysi> I'm not sure if btrfs is stable yet
[21:20] <bert4389> leafpad &
[21:21] <bert4389> so i would assume that nilfs is not stable yet either then?
[21:21] <fivedaysahead> but that focuses on leafpad
[21:21] <Sysi> afaik
[21:21] <fivedaysahead> i want the terminal to remain on top
[21:21] <fivedaysahead> if possible
[21:22] <holstein> last time i tried btrfs it was still buggy.. thats was maybe 10.10 though
[21:22] <Sysi> fivedaysahead: something with wmctrl if you don't want to change window manager settings
[21:22] <bert4389> right click on the task bar (terminal button) and click "always on top"?
[21:22] <Sysi> ..or that
[21:24] <fivedaysahead> hmmm i guess what i really want is to be able to run startx -- :1 without it automatically switching to that screen
[21:41] <mausi> hi all
[21:41] <mausi> need a little help plz
[21:42] <mausi> cant play divx, gstream and all codecs with it are installed
[21:45] <fivedaysahead> do you have VLC?
[21:45] <fivedaysahead> what player are you trying to use?
[21:45] <fivedaysahead> try VLC
[21:45] <fivedaysahead> always seems to work
[21:46] <fivedaysahead> sudo apt-get install VLC if it's not already
[21:54] <go8765> hello.can anybody help me with Gtk-CRITICAL **: IA__gtk_widget_set_tooltip_text: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed in claws-mail?
[22:58] <gry> I just removed gdm and installed lightdm. Is http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1424370 normal?