[00:05] <wilhart> anyone has virtual box with kubuntu ?
[00:19] <milo_> Ok, I tried closing down the programs running in lsof to umount my hard drive and it just restarted my comp
[00:24] <MaxHR> Hello, just started runnign Kubu, got this message from Muon :The following pieces of software cannot be authenticated. WARNING: Installing unverified software represents a security risk, as the presence of unverifiable software can be a sign of tampering. Do you wish to
[00:24] <MaxHR> Why is this, and how do I fix it and proceed?
[00:26] <randomatix> MaxHR: where is the software from and what is it?
[00:28] <MaxHR> it is from what ever default repos come with kubu... I am installing wineqt, and its depends
[00:28] <MaxHR> I got this same message when updating
[00:30] <MaxHR> I said ok, to go ahead and download anyway, and now I am just getting a spinning progress indicator, nothing appears to be happening
[00:32] <randomatix> MaxHR: did you try it with another package manager, like Synaptic?
[00:33] <MaxHR> no, muon is the only one installed by default, I did not expect problems
[00:37] <MaxHR> so I closed Muon, tried again, clicked continue when I got the warning, then nothing happens... please advise
[00:46] <mime1111> hey
[00:55] <franz__> hi, how to set custom resolution?? I want to set 1280x720 but doesn't appear
[01:16] <frewo> will there be official packages of firefox/thunderbird 9 in 11.10? or only the ppa?
[01:41] <deer3212> does anyone knows some app like "Daemon tools" for Kubuntu?
[01:44] <macram> deer3212: ubuntu 11.10 can mount .iso for itself
[01:45] <deer3212> I know , but will work if I try to install a game with Wine like this?
[01:45] <macram> deer3212: it SHOULD work, but i can't answer you properly ;)
[01:47] <deer3212> did you install any game under Kubuntu?
[01:53] <madbovine> hey guys quick question...kmail won't set up my gmail account...went through the wizard several times and manually entered the imap server and smtp server...any suggestions?
[01:58] <madbovine> anyone?
[02:19] <franz__> is there any way to let apps to handle with own window manager instead of kwin, like chromuim does it?
[03:56] <dijonyummy> am i imagining, or does dolphin crash way too frequently?
[04:03] <coolstar-ipod> I can't seem to be able to install kubuntu on my computer using wubi.
[04:05] <coolstar-ipod> Anyone?
[04:21] <coolstar-pc> Why is it that when I went to install kubuntu through wubi the installer didn't show up?
[04:21] <coolstar-pc> I thought it was stuck until it rebooted and I saw that it installed.
[04:31] <coolstar-pc> Why is it that when I went to install kubuntu through wubi the installer didn't show up? It scared me almost to see it wasn't installing, when it really was installing.
[05:05] <Guest10116> Goodmorning everyone
[05:05] <Guest10116> am i alone
[05:06] <Guest10116> opinions on LXDE?
[05:07] <phiscribe> Guest10116 lxde? ligher than most, does a fair job, but this is kde land, try lubuntu or lxde
[05:08] <Guest10116> actually I'm just testing my IRc client,but thanks for the responce(Quassel IRC)
[05:08] <Guest10116> but I do like KDE
[05:08] <Guest10116> I have all those DE's
[05:09] <phiscribe> kde is pretty, i like it too, but older boxes stuggle at times, thogh not to bad if u scale down the effects
[05:10] <Guest10116> yea it is visually nice.I have a good moderate sys I like to see how it runs on stripped down software like lxde
[05:10] <Guest10116> ok got my client working obviously so thanks folks
[07:57] <Amokrun> It seems that kmail2 just isn't ready.
[07:57] <Amokrun> I thought I got it to work yesterday. Now it has died again.
[07:58] <Amokrun> This time it doesn't eat mail, thankfully, but it moved to refusing to open any mail anymore.
[07:58] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[08:03] <ts_> hi
[08:06] <ts_> anybody?
[08:06] <levi501d> arr
[08:10] <ts_> do not want to say something?
[08:13] <ts_> arr
[09:20] <amit> aaja shaam hone aayi mausam ne li angarai :P
[09:20] <amit> Don 2 Are deewanao ab to pehchano :P
[12:31] <ManDay> How do you search for a string in files in Kubuntu?
[12:33] <tsimpson> ManDay: on the command line you can use: grep "some term" /some/file
[12:34] <tsimpson> there's also kfind, which can search the content of files
[12:35] <ManDay> tsimpson: I was thinking of a GUI tool which also searches ABW and ODT through some fictional unified API provided by LO and ABW
[12:36] <ManDay> I'll have a look at kfind
[12:36] <ManDay> Does kfind come with kubuntu?
[12:37] <tsimpson> I think it does, it's part of KDE base utilities anyway
[12:41] <zhang> hello friends
[12:45] <zhang> welcome
[13:36] <ManDay> How do I search for a string in DOCX, ABW, and ODT documents?
[14:08] <jittox> hy to everyone!
[15:30] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[15:39] <jubo2> Hi. How can I burn .iso into USB stick on kubuntu
[15:40] <pangolin> !usb
[15:41] <jubo2> I tried the program that came with Xubuntu that enabled me to install Kubuntu but now I try to put debian on the USB stick it says unknown version GNU/Linux and also says that that error is not catched..
[15:41] <jubo2> ah oh 'k
[15:46] <babydead131> всем привет
[15:46] <BluesKaj> 1ru
[15:46] <BluesKaj> !ru
[15:46] <babydead131> если тут конечно кто-то есть
[15:47] <babydead131>  /join #ubuntu-ru
[16:04] <jubo2> Invalkid
[16:05] <jubo2> "Invalid system name: GNU/Linux" says the usb-creator-kde ( same error as on Xubuntu when trying to put Debian .iso file on the stick )
[16:05] <jubo2> wth?
[16:06] <jubo2> It does say on the app that "this allows you to burn an Ubuntu .iso onto USB stick"
[16:06] <jubo2> it doesn't say that the app supports other Linuxen flavours
[16:07] <BluesKaj> !unebootin
[16:07] <jubo2> srsly does getting an .iso image burned to a USB stick have to be this problematic ..?
[16:07] <jubo2> when I burned the Kubuntu using Xubuntu everything went flawlessly
[16:07] <BluesKaj> got a cd , use that , sticks seem to be very problematic
[16:08] <jubo2> BluesKaj: I don't have an optical drive
[16:09] <jubo2> This is awful.. Why can't I install a competing flavour using the usb-creator-kde or it's Xfce equivalent ..?!?!?
[16:12] <BluesKaj> jubo2, go ask in #Xubuntu
[16:12] <jubo2> but I'm on Kubuntu now
[16:13] <jubo2> I get the same error with both Xubuntu and Kubuntu "System name unknown: GNU/Linux" or thereabouts..
[16:13] <jubo2> it comes in the latter stages of making the stick bootable
[16:13] <jubo2> .. the error comes ..
[16:15] <jubo2> it expects the string to be [x|k|l]ubuntu apparently
[16:15] <jubo2> this is silly if the irritational aspect is ignored
[16:16] <BluesKaj> have you looked here , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[16:18] <jubo2> BluesKaj: yes, I've looked at that..
[16:19] <jubo2> The usb-creator-kde expects a [x|k|l]ubuntu and exits on error that some string was "GNU/Linux" ( Debian ) instead
[16:21] <BluesKaj> I'd erase and try again , and follow the tutorial ,, installing from a usb looks like additional tools are reqwuired vs the cd burn and install method
[16:28] <jubo2> BluesKaj: already tried emptying the stick and trying again
[16:32] <jubo2> hi fishchli
[17:05] <doriad_> I currently have 2 monitors setup to be an extended desktop. Is there anyway I can make a third "virtual" display (that I can't see) that is an actual second desktop (not an extension)? I need to run code that pops up a window every few seconds but I don't want it stealing the focus of my work environment
[17:50] <mika__> hi, why isn't there any ubuntuone client under kubuntu? :(
[17:57] <rekcuFniarB> mika__: there was, but development was stopped unfinished because of author moved to other DE.
[17:58] <peace> mika__: btw ... who cares about ubuntu one xD
[17:58] <rekcuFniarB> And he has removed his PPA
[17:59] <mika__> rekcuFniarB: yup, the ones from apachelogger
[17:59] <ronnoc> ubunutone can be installed in Kubuntu, but of course it needs tweaked and brings a lot of dependencies not otherwise needed.
[18:00] <mika__> peace: it's quite useful with 5gb free, instead of just 2 of dropbox
[18:00] <peace>  mika__then you do 3 dropbox account
[18:00] <peace> xD
[18:01] <ronnoc> I agree Kubuntu needs this though. Although for gaming there's always Desura, and for an "app store" feel, Muon Software Center is coming along
[18:01] <ronnoc> oops my bad...haha
[18:01] <peace> mika__: you coudl use even mediafire.com
[18:01] <ronnoc> ubuntuone / ubuntu software center or whatever it's called
[18:01] <peace> it's a good service for me
[18:02] <mika__> peace: good for sharing, not for automatic backup :)
[18:33] <Pavinati> Hi everybody, i need help connecting to internet with my kubuntu laptop... everytime i execute : "dhclient eth0" the bash hang for 2-3 mins... thank you for your support
[18:38] <wbennett> anyone noticed kde being "jittery" in parallels?
[18:38] <wbennett> not refreshing when a window moves around
[18:42] <Pavinati> how can i connect to internet (wired connection) using the terminal?
[18:43] <wbennett> what does ifconfig show you
[18:43] <BluesKaj> Pavinati,  sudo dhclient eth0
[18:43] <wbennett> ?
[18:44] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: it hangs for long... i have to ctrl-C... other ways?
[18:44] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, did you try sudo ?
[18:44] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: ye, and ifconfig say it's up, but no ip adress asigned
[18:46] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[18:47] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: restarted without problems
[18:49] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: /etc/network/interfaces contains only auto lo, iface lo inet loopback
[18:49] <BluesKaj> yes . if you run network manager, then that's the configuration
[18:50] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, ^
[18:51] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: do you know a command i can use to troubleshot the dhcp configuration? so i can get better informations about my problem?
[18:52] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, this is the tutorial I used for running eth0 without network manager in my setup , http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[18:53] <BluesKaj> the interfaces file replaces network manager , after setting this up remove network manager and modem manager
[18:53] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: tnx ;) now i'll check it out, and i'll let you know
[18:53] <BluesKaj> ok , good
[18:57] <BluesKaj> !awk
[18:58] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: ok, i followed the guide... it say to edit /etc/network/interfaces, i did it, but when i restart the networking daemon, it hangs like the dhclient did, in the end it say : failed to bring up eth0
[18:59] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, did you remove network manager. if not it will have overwritten your changes in the interfaces file
[18:59] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: i purged it
[19:00] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, ip addr
[19:02] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: it say many things about eth0, but no ip address
[19:02] <BluesKaj> then add it to your interfaces file
[19:03] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: it's dhcp, so it should be given automatically, isn't it?
[19:04] <BluesKaj> look under eth0 there , inet 192.168.X.XX
[19:04] <BluesKaj> yes
[19:05] <BluesKaj> are you connected to a router/modem , dsl or cable , then this should work
[19:06] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: i'm connected to a modem/router via ethernet cable
[19:06] <Pavinati> but the router doesn't show me under the client list
[19:06] <BluesKaj> route -n . what does that give
[19:08] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: destination : 192.168.1.0   gateway : 0.0.0.0 genmask : 255.255.255.0 flag :  U  eth0
[19:09] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, if possible , perhaps a router reboot ?
[19:10] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: sure... bute that would mean i'll disconnect from that chat
[19:10] <Pavinati> but*
[19:10] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, unless you have a faulty NIC or cable
[19:11] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: i can also change the cable... i don't think the router has any problems, atm i'm connected with the very same router
[19:13] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, , what meanis the router doesn't se your ethernet network card connection and it might pick it up when scanning for interfaces aftera reboot
[19:13] <Pavinati> ok... i'll reboot the router right now... i'll be there in 5-6 min
[19:20] <Pavinati> back... but nothing changed
[19:22] <Pavinati> wbennett: ^
[19:23] <wbennett> what is up
[19:23] <Pavinati> wbennett: router reboot didn't fix it
[19:23] <wbennett> what does ifconfig report
[19:24] <Pavinati> same as before... should i run a /init.d/networking restart?
[19:25] <wbennett> does ethX show up
[19:25] <wbennett> and is it up or down?
[19:26] <Pavinati> wbennett: i see it on the ifconfig list, but how can i see if it's up or down?
[19:28] <Pavinati> wbennett: i just rebooted my pc and now it works... dunno what happend... but still tnx ;)
[19:28] <wbennett> does the expected interface show up when you look at ifconfig
[19:29] <wbennett> and does it have an ip address assigned to it
[19:30] <Pavinati> wbennett: np... now that i'm connected i'll download a network manager and there won't be more problems
[19:30] <wbennett> well good deal, good luck.
[19:30] <BluesKaj> Pavinati, no, don't install network manager
[19:30] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: why not?
[19:31] <BluesKaj> let the interfaces file look after the ethernet connection ..nm is no longer necessary
[19:31] <BluesKaj> read the tutorial abou the interfaves file , it replaces nm
[19:31] <BluesKaj> interfaces
[19:32] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: i just did all of that just to connect the laptop to the internet via wired... but since it's a laptop, i would like to use wireless too :P
[19:32] <BluesKaj> ok, then that's adifferent story , good luck witht the wireless
[19:33] <Pavinati> BluesKaj: hehe, i'll need some luck :P
[19:33] <Pavinati> thanks again everybody
[20:24] <madbovine> hey guys...anyone else having trouble getting started in kmail?
[20:25] <madbovine> I just installed 11.10 and can't get kmail to set up my gmail account
[20:30] <BluesKaj> madbovine, yes there are some problems with kmail ...to many in fact so i switched to thunderbird and have gmail send only certain dailies to it.
[20:30] <BluesKaj> !kmail
[20:31] <madbovine> wow...that's ashame since its supposed to be improved
[20:31] <BluesKaj> !info kmail
[20:32] <madbovine> Is it mainly a gmail/imap issue?
[20:32] <BluesKaj> hmm, i thought the bug might show up since anyone upgrading has the kmail/kontact data transfer problem
[20:33] <Graf_Westerholt> I have some problems with kmail, too. Actually it is Akonadi that does not like my mails.
[20:33] <BluesKaj> madbovine, sorry , I really have no idea
[20:33] <markus_> moin
[20:34] <madbovine> I'm not trying to migrate anything...just trying to set up my account and it won't do it
[20:34] <madbovine> pretty useless
[20:36] <BluesKaj> madbovine, ok , it's even worse than I thought ...the devs in kde have fallen down on the job again
[20:37] <milo_> Good afternoon
[20:37] <madbovine> I don't get it...what's the point if I can't even set up a simple gmail account?
[20:40] <markus_> problems with kmail?
[20:40] <madbovine> yes...can't do a simple set up of gmail through the account wizard
[20:41] <markus_> I installed thunderbird. But I know that its a pretty bad solution
[20:41] <madbovine> Yeah I want to avoid that if possible
[20:41] <madbovine> but I'll do what have to unless there is a solution out there
[20:42] <BluesKaj> markus_, yeah , kmail is too clunky now , thunderbird is fast and easy to set up
[20:51] <ronnoc> hmm I just set up GMail via KMail today. Went without a hitch.
[20:59] <BluesKaj> ronnoc, care to share your expertise with us , tell us what you did , from the gmail side or the kmail end?
[21:00] <ronnoc> All I did was follow the directions at http://support.google.com/mail/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=78799
[21:01] <ronnoc> And in KMail allow it to autodetect settings if I wasn'tsure.
[21:02] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: The one thing I did have to do was delete my gmail labels, because they will be imported into KMail as folders and that wasn't going towork for me. But ut works fine.
[21:02] <ronnoc> *it
[21:07] <joao> Oi
[21:07] <joao> Hi
[21:07] <joao> Can someone help me'
[21:07] <joao> ?
[21:07] <BluesKaj> ronnoc, ok , glad it works for you , but being a home user I don't feel the need for kmail/kontact
[21:07] <joao> I don't fucking know how to fucking use the fucking kubuntu, its fucked up
[21:07] <utente> lol
[21:08] <joao> fucking xet!
[21:08] <joao> damn!
[21:08] <joao> fuck it
[21:08] <utente> you should just ask your question and someone will help you
[21:08] <FloodBotK3> joao: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:08] <BluesKaj> !languade | joao
[21:08] <BluesKaj> !language | joao
[21:08] <ronnoc> BluesKaj: Understood. I just think of KMail as a better-integrated Thunderbird. You don't have to use Kontact to use KMail, of course. But I've used Thunderbird as well. It'a sll good!
[21:09] <D-coy> xD!!
[21:09] <joao> I am
[21:09] <joao> Fucking
[21:09] <joao> Fucked
[21:09] <joao> to
[21:09] <FloodBotK3> joao: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:09] <utente> I installed a packet to speed up kubuntu and it turned the system in a mix of kde3 and kde4. does anyone know the name of this packet?
[21:09] <joao> aff
[21:09] <joao> dvolve
[21:09] <BluesKaj> joao, cursing isn't going to get much help , if you describe your problem in some detail we will try to help
[21:09] <utente> go you use windows joao.
[21:09] <markus_> sign
[21:09] <joao> I don't know how to configure KMail
[21:10] <joao> Can somone help?
[21:10] <joao> Get a fucking life morons
[21:10] <utente> have you tried searching google. there are lot of guide out there.
[21:10] <joao> Stupids asswholes son of a bitches
[21:10] <utente> kmail with hotmail or google or?
[21:10] <joao> utente put the Google in your ASS
[21:10] <D-coy> m4v,  ahi te hablan
[21:10] <D-coy> xD!!
[21:11] <joao> FUUUUCK
[21:11] <markus_> it runs me on when peopl eoffend me :D
[21:11] <joao> FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[21:11] <joao> s
[21:11] <utente> someone ban this little kid.
[21:11] <FloodBotK3> joao: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:11] <joao> s
[21:11] <joao> s
[21:11] <ronnoc> he's trolling. please ignore.
[21:11] <BluesKaj> !ops | joao
[21:11] <joao> s
[21:11] <joao> s
[21:11] <joao> s
[21:11] <joao> s
[21:11] <FloodBotK3> joao: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[21:12] <Unit193> Heh, nice
[21:12] <ronnoc> Hi Unit193!
[21:12] <Unit193> Hello, ronnoc
[21:12] <utente> http://support.real-time.com/linux/email/client/kmail.html
[21:12] <markus_> Some people don´t deserve our help!
[21:12] <BluesKaj> sometimes we need to eject jerks ...too bad there was some help
[21:13] <utente> http://tuxarena.blogspot.com/2010/09/how-to-set-up-kmail-with-gmail-and-imap.html
[21:13] <markus_> This guy deserves to pay somebody that helps him!
[21:13] <ronnoc> Unit193:  How's the Ohio Loco doing these days? (I should just go there and say hi...)
[21:14] <Unit193> ronnoc: It was quiet, but now it's picking up a little
[21:14] <markus_> When customers start yelling at me on the phone because they are too stupid to use a computer I simply hang up as well :D
[21:14] <utente> it took me to seconds to search on google. there are a enormous amounts of guides.
[21:14] <utente> LMAO
[21:14] <Unit193> ronnoc: Paultag is going to be in town
[21:14] <ronnoc> Unit193: Nice. I'll bounce over there a bit later on.
[21:17] <serge_> hi who have working amarok widget for karamba?
[22:00] <fatum> I might have screwed something up... a little
[22:02] <pawiecki> hello
[22:04] <pawiecki> i have a problem on a fresh kubuntu 11.10 install
[22:04] <pawiecki> never used kde or kubuntu, only ubuntu
[22:05] <pawiecki> and i want to add nonfree and codecs and theese kind of stuff
[22:05] <pawiecki> can someone help? :)
[22:09] <BarkingFish> pawiecki: what do you need?
[22:09] <BarkingFish> I didn't see your question
[22:10] <pawiecki> i used ubuntu, mint, fedora, but never kubuntu or kde. I want to add codecs, flash and other non free stuff
[22:10] <pawiecki> don't know how to do so
[22:11] <BarkingFish> !restricted | pawiecki
[22:12] <fatum> hello. I might have stolen or give away a few directories when trying to clone an account. not really sure what I have done, but I can't log into my main user account, only into CLI. have used this as an idiot, without reading comments: http://www.ambience.sk/old/user-account-copy-linux
[22:13] <pawiecki> BarkingFish: thanks a lot, i'll check that links :)
[22:14] <BarkingFish> pawiecki: as for getting flash, if you open a terminal, and type: sudo apt-get install adobe-flashplugin   you should get it
[22:14] <BarkingFish> I don't remember if that's in our restricted repository or not
[22:14] <BarkingFish> !info adobe-flashplugin
[22:14] <markus_> pawiecki: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras kubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:14] <EvilResistance> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[22:14] <EvilResistance> hmm
[22:14] <EvilResistance> !flash
[22:15] <EvilResistance> ^ that
[22:15] <BarkingFish> OK, yes it is in the restricted area
[22:15] <BarkingFish> I've had a couple of drinks over christmas, and my brain's turned to mush :)
[22:16]  * EvilResistance hands BarkingFish some tea
[22:16] <EvilResistance> this might help :P
[22:16] <BarkingFish> lol, thanks :)
[22:16] <markus_> I am art work :( besides coffee no drugs here :(
[22:16] <pawiecki> BarkingFish: do i need kubuntu-restricted-extras AND ubuntu-restricted-extras? Are they different?
[22:16] <BarkingFish> pawiecki: they may contain different stuff, you'd be safest to get both
[22:17] <BarkingFish> I know about kubuntu-restricted-extras, but not the other one, i don't have it
[22:17] <EvilResistance> you might not need both
[22:17] <EvilResistance> kubuntu-restricted-extras will work for what you need, the ubuntu-restricted-extras might have GTK stuff in it (which requires the GTK runtime installed)
[22:17] <pawiecki> i'm now installing kubuntu ones
[22:17] <EvilResistance> (i think)
[22:17] <pawiecki> from the link you gave me
[22:17] <markus_> install both. brings close to no gtk stuff
[22:18] <markus_> afaik kubuntu did not install some important stuff
[22:18] <fatum> may someone please help me?
[22:18] <markus_> !ask
[22:19] <fatum> hello. I might have stolen or give away a few directories when trying to clone an account. not really sure what I have done, but I can't log into my main user account, only into CLI. have used this as an idiot, without reading comments: http://www.ambience.sk/old/user-account-copy-linux
[22:19] <pawiecki> !patience
[22:19] <aaschez> KDE 4.7. I've a wireless network which got SSID broadcasting disabled from router for security reasons. I've been trying to access my work network by inputting SSID in Network Management and even tried inputting details by creating connection using Manage Connections option but still not able to connect. How can I fix this?
[22:19] <fatum> thank you
[22:21] <aaschez> The usual way to access such network is by inputting SSID and password only. I know the SSID and password
[22:23] <pawiecki> check if the SSID and password are correct.
[22:23] <gonzalo_> hi guys! having a bit of a problem here on kubuntu 11.10 .. is it just me or KaudioCreator is nowhere to be found?
[22:23] <pawiecki> that's pretty obvious but check :)
[22:24] <markus_> sudo apt-get install kaudiocreator?
[22:24] <BarkingFish> aaschez: if the SSID isn't being broadcast, the chances are it's being seen as a hidden network.  The only way I know to get to a hidden network is through the network management Icon, and click <hidden network>, enter the SSID and hit enter, and it should go searching for that SSID.
[22:24] <gonzalo_> apt-cache search kaudio comes back empty handed in here :(
[22:24] <BarkingFish> beyond that, I have no idea, other than accessing the router and switch the SSID transmission on
[22:25] <pawiecki> fatum: could you tell some more details?
[22:25] <BarkingFish> he's gone, pawiecki :)
[22:25] <pawiecki> ahh sry
[22:25] <aaschez> pawiecki: I got one android device which got option Ádd Other network' wherein I inputted SSId and pasword and it got connected easily. Same with Windows 7 with option Óther Networks'' which works as well
[22:27] <aaschez> BarkingFish: Yes, I did that. It says <hidden networks> and on clicking it, it says to enter SSID and press enter. I inputted SSID and pressed the enter key but nothing happened, it just doesn't start to configure interface or such or to ask for password
[22:28] <BarkingFish> hm
[22:28] <BarkingFish> one moment then, let me speak to someone :)
[22:29] <aaschez> I asked in #kde if this is a bug
[22:29] <aaschez> Sure
[22:29] <pawiecki> aaschez: hmm what router is it?
[22:29] <fatum> I'll ask something more simple, is there a command to restore default ownership of files?
[22:30] <aaschez> pawiecki: I tihnk they use D-Link or Juniper
[22:30] <aaschez> pawiecki: I don't think its router issue here
[22:31] <pawiecki> aaschez: ok i missed what you said about android and windows device
[22:33] <pawiecki> fatum: i don't know one
[22:34] <Resistance> fatum:  i think you'll have to manually restore the original ownership with chown... there's no "undo" command with that command, as far as I'm iaware
[22:34] <pawiecki> fatum: do you have important data on that pc?
[22:34] <fatum> quite important
[22:34] <BarkingFish> aaschez: here's a thought.  If I remember correctly, wicd will allow you to connect to a hidden SSID, and it does work :)
[22:34] <pawiecki> Resistance: how to do so?
[22:34] <Resistance> pawiecki:  how to change ownership of files en masse?
[22:35] <Resistance> ever hear of the chown command?
[22:35] <Resistance> generally speaking, if you do ls -l, you'll see ownership of files... for example...
[22:35] <BarkingFish> aaschez: try (from command line)  sudo apt-get install wicd && sudo apt-get install wicd-kde
[22:36] <Resistance> pawiecki:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/787295/  <-- that's an ls -alshF on one of my directories
[22:36] <aaschez> BarkingFish: hmm.. Sure
[22:36] <Resistance> pawiecki:  notice ownership is teward teward (user group respectively)
[22:36] <aaschez> BarkingFish: I was wondering if NM itself can do that but yes, I'll try that. Thanks.
[22:36] <Resistance> pawiecki:  to change that, say to "root root" so that only root has ownership, i'd do chown --recursive root:root /path/to/that/folder/you/see/in/ls
[22:37] <Resistance> (as root)
[22:37] <Resistance> pawiecki:  and that would change it to "root" user and "root" group
[22:37] <pawiecki> Resistance: yeah, i tried it on my pc too
[22:37] <gonzalo_> maybe im missing something and KaudioCreator goes by under another name in Kubuntu??
[22:37] <pawiecki> Resistance: i mean just ls -l command
[22:37] <Resistance> pawiecki:  ls -l lists the ownerships, yhes
[22:37] <Resistance> yes*
[22:38] <Resistance> pawiecki:  but to change en-masse you use the chown command I gave you, replacing root:root with the user:group you want ownership to be assigned to
[22:38] <fatum> well, I have changed ownership of home directory and all subdirectories to someone, who doesn't even have root access. So now my main account doesn't own anything, but has root access and I have all files in /home/
[22:38] <aaschez> BarkingFish: Will it connect to it automatically if the SSID is not broadcasting and remember credentials and such like NM?
[22:38] <pawiecki> Resistance: a stupid question: what's en-masse?
[22:38] <BarkingFish> I believe it does remember credentials and the like
[22:38] <Resistance> fatum:  you'd need to change your own home directory's ownership back to you, which i can tell you the command to do it with
[22:38] <BarkingFish> it's a while since I've used it
[22:39] <Resistance> pawiecki:  "en-masse" literally translates to "In mass"
[22:39] <Resistance> i.e. all at once
[22:39] <Resistance> or many at once
[22:39] <pawiecki> latin?
[22:39] <Kimlaroux> gonzalo_, kubuntu can rip audio cds directly from the file manager, just drag and drop the folder containing the format you want. If you still want a program for it, kubuntu comes with K3b
[22:39] <Resistance> fatum:  lets say your own user's home directory is "/home/foobar/", and the user and their group is "foobar" "foobar" (user and group respectively)
[22:40] <gonzalo_> Kimlaroux: thanks mate!
[22:40] <fatum> should it be  " chown --recursive foobar:users /home/foobar/* " ?
[22:40] <Resistance> fatum:  to change that directory back to the user, it'd be done by this command: "chown --recursive foobar:foobar /home/foobar/"
[22:40] <Resistance> no, you don't need the *
[22:40] <aaschez> BarkingFish: I'll try that. Thanks. Also I'll try to report the same to the NM dev so that it can be solved in NM itself in updates or such
[22:40] <Resistance> --recursive will tell it to go through *everything* underneath that dir
[22:40] <gonzalo_> Kimlaroux: im still wondering why is it that I can't find KaudioCreator having all repos enabled ..?
[22:40] <fatum> i understand..
[22:41] <BarkingFish> aaschez: the guy you need to speak to when he's about, is lamarque who is in #plasma
[22:41] <Resistance> fatum:  and :users is if you want other users to be able to see data in the directory, if the chmod'd access rules are allowed
[22:41] <Resistance> fatum:  if you want it to be yourUser:users you can replace "foobar:foobar" with yourUser:users
[22:41] <BarkingFish> I've just left him a message, but he appears to be away or busy right now, or possibly even in bed
[22:41] <Resistance> and it'll apply correctly
[22:41] <pawiecki> BarkingFish: but hmm why NM can't handle it? i mean hidden SSID
[22:41] <Resistance> (fwiw, its how I got a directory in /var/<somedir> to be owned by my user (teward) and www-data at the same time :p
[22:41] <Resistance> _
[22:41] <BarkingFish> pawiecki: we're a version behind
[22:41] <Kimlaroux> gonzalo_, I honestly don't know, I never actually hear of kaudiocreator before... maybe the ubuntu team has something against it
[22:42] <BarkingFish> 2 days after our version of nm was made, a new one with bugfixes was issued, which we haven't caught up with yet
[22:42] <Resistance> BarkingFish:  NM = network manager?
[22:43] <gonzalo_> Kimlaroux: ok, good to know, thanks mate !
[22:43] <aaschez> Yep
[22:43] <fatum> Resistance: and that's all? aren't there some important files in /home root should own? or something?
[22:43] <Resistance> fatum:  root by default can see everything, iirc...
[22:43] <Resistance> fatum:  lemme check something
[22:44] <Resistance> *grabs his home dir's ls*
[22:44] <pawiecki> BarkingFish: hmm so next version is still waiting to be released?
[22:44] <Resistance> fatum: the /home/ directory needs to have root:root ownership in default installs
[22:44] <Resistance> but the home subdirs dont seem to need it *checks further*
[22:45] <Resistance> fatum:  nope, root doesn't need any ownership within the /home/yourUser/ subdirectory
[22:45] <fatum> my home directory is owned by otheraccount:users
[22:45] <aaschez> pawiecki: I got the new release with alpha 12.04. Will try if it allows such access
[22:45] <fatum> that might be a problem
[22:45] <Resistance> in my setup (one system, one user), its teward:teward
[22:45] <Resistance> fatum:  if you're using root you can force otheraccount:users to become youruser:users
[22:45] <fatum> you just said it should be root:root... ?
[22:46] <BarkingFish> pawiecki: as far as I know, yes
[22:46] <fatum> wait, okay
[22:46] <pawiecki> how's  kubuntualpha 12.04 btw?
[22:46] <pawiecki> kubuntu alpha*
[22:47] <fatum> so, just to be sure... "chown --recursive mainAccount:users /home" ?
[22:47] <Resistance> fatum: depends on what's in the home dir
[22:47] <Resistance> fatum:  by default you do not want to own *every* user
[22:48] <fatum> oh, yeah.. so without --recursive
[22:48] <Resistance> fatum:  say for a minute there are 3 users: root, foo, and bar
[22:48] <Resistance> fatum:  inside /home/, there are two folders, one for foo, and one for bar.
[22:48] <Resistance> fatum:  you accidentially transfer ownership of /home/bar/ to the user:group foo:users
[22:48] <Resistance> fatum:  meaning bar no longer owns his stuff
[22:49] <fatum> so, without --recursive
[22:49] <Resistance> fatum:  to return bar's stuff, you'd do 'chown --recursive bar:users /home/bar/'
[22:49] <Resistance> so that everything within the folder which was originally owned by bar is once again added to bar
[22:49] <pawiecki> hmm i think i got it
[22:49] <Resistance> and foo's access is limited to whatever the users group has access to
[22:49] <fatum> no, wait a second. Who should own the home directory itself?
[22:50] <pawiecki> root?
[22:50] <Resistance> fatum:  the home directory itself should be owned by root:root in standard setups
[22:50] <Resistance> fatum:  to set that you'd do this:
[22:50] <Resistance> 'chown root:root /home/'
[22:50] <Resistance> without recursive
[22:50] <fatum> great ;)
[22:50] <aaschez> pawiecki: I installed it yesterday to try latest kernel, so can't say much. You can try it http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20111228/ :)
[22:50] <Resistance> fatum:  as for any subdirectories owned by someone else's account, you'd follow the --recursive step i explained above
[22:51] <Kimlaroux> Gah, I hate it when people leave so quickly... I just found out Kaudiocreator is part of the package Kmultimedia
[22:51] <pawiecki> aaschez: i would but don't have a good connection to download nor time :/
[22:52] <fatum> got it. I'll try to log in and tell you how it went
[22:52] <pawiecki> Resistance: but after "chown root:root /home/" root owns only home, or home and subdirs?
[22:53] <fatum> without recursive, he owns only /home
[22:53] <pawiecki> and it should be that way?
[22:53] <fatum> works perfectly. Thanks, a great great thanks to you!
[22:53] <Resistance> pawiecki:  only /home
[22:54] <fatum> well, users own their own directories and root owns their home
[22:54] <Resistance> pawiecki:  and it should be that way, because by default, root should see all :p
[22:54] <fatum> it seems to be right
[22:54]  * Resistance points at fatum's statements
[22:55] <pawiecki> yeah but what if i did "chown root:root /home/pawiecki/" and log out. Could i log in then?
[22:55] <fatum> one more little question, does it matter if I do /home or /home/ ?
[22:56] <pawiecki> i'm curious about that one too
[22:57] <fatum> and I'm curious about your question actually. you can log in as sudo... but could I log in as user without sudo rights...?
[22:58] <Resistance> pawiecki:  no it'd break
[22:58] <Resistance> pawiecki:  it'd dump you into a cli environment and say "Unable to load user data"
[22:58]  * Resistance accidentially did what you were curious about one time
[22:58] <fatum> actually, it might have been my problem, I have stayed on login screen when i didn't own my home directory
[22:59] <Resistance> fatum:  that sometimes happens :P[
[22:59] <Resistance> :P *
[22:59] <pawiecki> because i do not have rights to use or even see them then, right?
[22:59] <Resistance> pawiecki:  yup
[22:59] <pawiecki> quite logicall :)
[22:59] <fatum> and it is.... chown who_owns_it:who_can_see_it, do I understand it correctly?
[23:01] <pawiecki> cli=command line input?
[23:01] <Kimlaroux> fatum, Usage: chown [OPTION]... [OWNER][:[GROUP]] FILE...
[23:01] <pawiecki> \or command line interface?
[23:01] <fatum> interface
[23:02] <pawiecki> but why is the group needed there?
[23:02] <Kimlaroux> it's how linux permissions work, I never asked =P
[23:02] <Kimlaroux> it just makes sens, take usb for exemple
[23:03] <Kimlaroux> if the group "usb" has the rights to use usb ports, then you add users to this groups who should have the right to use usb
[23:03] <Kimlaroux> same thing for audio
[23:04] <Kimlaroux> you can create a user, let say for a kid, that is not part of all those groups, so that the user cannot use these things
[23:06] <pawiecki> ok, thanks a lot guys, have to go. Goodnight :)
[23:08] <fatum> aaaaand so, is there a difference between using /home and /home/ ?
[23:09] <Kimlaroux> it depends on the context, are you asking about the chown command?
[23:11] <Kimlaroux> I might be wrong, but from my experience with linux, their could be a difference:
[23:11] <Kimlaroux> using /home will cange the ownership of the folder /home
[23:11] <Kimlaroux> using /home/ will change the ownership of everything inside it, but not the folder itself
[23:12] <Kimlaroux> hhmm, now I'm curious, I'm gonna try it out =P
[23:15] <Kimlaroux> No, I was WRONG: it doesn't change anything if you add a / after the folder, it will change everything inside it and the folder itself with the -R option
[23:16] <fatum> sounds better. So what does chown root:root /home/ actually do?
[23:16] <c_> how do i get a manual/static ip address from my router instead of a dhcp-generated one when IPv6 settings won't let go of eth0 with lucid lynx?
[23:16] <fatum> "change ownership of all directories without a name in /home/" ? :D
[23:17] <Kimlaroux> it depends if you use the -R option
[23:18] <Kimlaroux> with it, it will change the ownership of everything inside it, including the folders and their contents, including the folder /home
[23:18] <Kimlaroux> There's no better way to understand than to doing it ;)
[23:18] <fatum> -R is the same as --recursive, i assume
[23:18] <Kimlaroux> yes
[23:19] <c_> I've been following 2 howtos that don't essentially work; the liberiangeek howto and http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/19541/how-to-assign-a-static-ip-to-an-ubuntu-10.04-desktop-computer/
[23:19] <Kimlaroux> -v is also very usefull to learn
[23:20] <Kimlaroux> c_, what network manager do you use?
[23:20] <c_> both of these howto's tell me to purge network manager, but whenever I do purge I lose all connectivity to eth0, and only the ipv6 settings work -- not the ipv4 settings I set manually
[23:21] <c_> Kimlaroux: I'm trying to do it the old-fashioned way, using /etc/hosts, etc/network/interfaces and resolv.conf files
[23:21]  * Kimlaroux nods.
[23:22] <Kimlaroux> I'm rusty about those files, I haven't played with them for a while... it's sad it's not as easy as it used to be
[23:22] <c_> Kimlaroux: but like i said, as soon as i purge gnome and kde networkmanagers that came with this lynx installation, I cannot, for the life of me, get an ip address for eth0
[23:22] <Kimlaroux> so why do you want a static ip for?
[23:22] <c_> Kimlaroux: to make this desktop into a samba server
[23:23] <Kimlaroux> okay, I was wondering if it was only a last ditch effort to get some internet going
[23:23] <sithlord48> c_ you will need to edit your /etc/interfaces file
[23:23] <Kimlaroux> so you tried http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/change-ubuntu-server-from-dhcp-to-a-static-ip-address/?
[23:23] <Kimlaroux> without the question mark
[23:23] <c_> I absolutely must have a samba server on my son's linux computer so that his windows 7 laptop can read/access his linux machine
[23:24] <sithlord48> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[23:24] <c_> sithlord48: I did edit that file
[23:25] <c_> Kimlaroux: like i said i have followed that^^ howto to the letter, including the editing of the resolv.conf , interfaces, and hosts files, but that howto ^^ also says to purge networkmanager, and that's the problem
[23:26] <BarkingFish> c_: Can you assign yourself a static IP in the network manager?
[23:26] <c_> as soon as I purge networkmanager, I cannot get any connectivity out of the0
[23:26] <Kimlaroux> yeah, sadly ubuntu is getting too dependent on GUI, it can be a pain
[23:26] <Kimlaroux> BarkingFish has a point...
[23:27] <BarkingFish> I do it with my Wifi, I assign a specific IP miles away from anyone else using the wifi router, so I know I'll get the same address each time.
[23:27] <c_> BarkingFish: yes, I've assigned a static ip every which way, including network manager [192.168.1.102], but after I purge networkmanager, I can't get that assigned ip addy
[23:28] <Kimlaroux> outch, you're assigning yourself an ip within the routeur's DHCP range?
[23:28] <c_> Kimlaroux: I've also put the 102 address with this mac address in the router's firmware
[23:28] <Kimlaroux> you know it's not that hard to change the routeur's range... make it start at 10 instead of 0 and use those 10 ips as static ones
[23:29] <c_> Kimlaroux: yes, I know the router's range isn't hard to change; I've already tried that, too
[23:29] <BarkingFish> the quickest way then, is don't purge the network manager.
[23:29] <BarkingFish> There's no real reason to purge it unless you're basically starting again from scratch
[23:29] <Kimlaroux> c_, first we gotta know if the problem is not network, if you can't assign your PC this static ip through a GUI, then it might be network related
[23:30] <c_> BarkingFish: but then I'll only get to use the dhcp address (192.168.1.101), and the whole point is that I have to have a static ip addy for samba server
[23:30] <Kimlaroux> c_, if Knetworkmanager is giving you a headache, purge it and install Wicd. Wicd has a simple to use Static Ip settings
[23:31] <BarkingFish> the other option then is that you either try wicd, or set up a second ethernet card in the PC, and use the restrict connection function in the network manager.
[23:31] <c_> Kimlaroux: I know problem is not the network because I can access my ondaatje samba server, and access the internet itself with dhcp
[23:32] <Kimlaroux> dhcp yes, but the routeur might like your static IP settings...
[23:32] <c_> Kimlaroux: I've disabled my wireless capability on my router....I hate wireless
[23:33] <Kimlaroux> especially if you are trying to use an IP within the range of the routeur's DHCP adresses
[23:33] <c_> wired is simply faster, more reliable, and more secure
[23:33] <c_> Kimlaroux: I've already tried making the router's address range above the ip address I want for my servers
[23:34] <BarkingFish> then a second ethernet card is the way you need to be heading - configure one for net access, and the second as static for the samba connection
[23:34] <c_> BarkingFish: that's one thing I haven't tried yet, and I can see/agree with your logic
[23:35] <c_> however, I usually disable a second ethernet port on my pc's 'cuz they're usually no end of headaches
[23:35] <Kimlaroux> indeed they are ;)
[23:35] <BarkingFish> Personally, as a fan of wifi, I'd go with wired for samba, wireless for net service
[23:36] <BarkingFish> but as you're not keen on wifi, it sorta limits routes you can go down
[23:36] <BarkingFish> wifi is nice, but it's only as secure as you're prepared/able to make it
[23:36] <Kimlaroux> But if he can't even have a static ip going, how will adding a card help? He'll still have to set it up with a static IP somehow
[23:36] <c_> yeah, and considering that this new installed pc is right beside the new router...wifi seems pointless on this particular machine
[23:37] <c_> Kimlaroux: thank you
[23:37] <BarkingFish> Kimlaroux: because it will split the connections up - the one card can use the net, second card can be set with a manual IP assigned, and restrict connection to this interface in nm
[23:37] <c_> I hadn't thought of that, but you're absolutely correct:  if I can't get a static ip on the first eth, I will have the same prob with the second eth
[23:38] <BarkingFish> the thing is, you're essentially looking to do two things through one IP, if I understand you correctly
[23:38] <Kimlaroux> so he has to get NM back... why did you purge it in the first place, c_, did it give you trouble?
[23:38] <BarkingFish> You want the static IP for samba, but need to connect to the net through it, right?
[23:39] <c_> Kimlaroux: I've got NM back...I purged it because the howtos told me to
[23:39] <c_> BarkingFish: yes
[23:39] <c_> I was always able to do this with earlier ubuntu versions, but not with lynx
[23:40] <c_> e.g. my other server in the other room has a static ip, connects to the net, is a samba server, and has hardy heron
[23:41] <c_> NM in lynx seems to the culprit
[23:41] <Kimlaroux> Yeah... it's one of those things I get rid of on a fresh install ;)
[23:41] <BarkingFish> nm is actually broken at the moment, c_ - there are bugfixes due out on the next issue of Kubuntu - I've not long been discussing that.
[23:42] <BarkingFish> nm-08 and prior have some bugs in
[23:42] <c_> Kimlaroux: that's exactly what I'm trying to do at the moment, get rid of NM with this new install
[23:42] <Kimlaroux> so you got 10.04? This is what I got too... I use Wicd instead of NM, works flawlessly for both wireless AND wired
[23:43] <Kimlaroux> give it a try, static ips are just two clicks away in Wicd
[23:43] <c_> BarkingFish: k, that doesn't surprise me, when is the next issue of kubuntu come out?
[23:43] <BarkingFish> apil '12
[23:43] <BarkingFish> *april 2012
[23:43] <c_> too far in teh future, I'm afraid, I need a static ip capability for samba server now
[23:43] <c_> or at least my son does, and he's counting on me
[23:44] <BarkingFish> go with Kimlaroux's idea then, switch to wicd over nm-applet
[23:44] <BarkingFish> you may find it easier to config, it's been a while since I used it personally
[23:44] <c_> k, will try wicd...do I have to enable the wireless capability fo my new router for wicd?
[23:45] <Kimlaroux> no, Wicd works with Wired
[23:45] <Kimlaroux> it automaticaly detects your wired connection
[23:45] <c_> good...a neighbour has an unsecured wireless and methinks I've made him/her go over the 25G Rogers download cap already this month :(
[23:46] <c_> Rogers burns me to no end
[23:48] <c_> I used to be a rogers customer years ago, but their all-day throttling drove me to dsl and teksavvy
[23:49] <c_> k, konversation had to be installed separately, and there's no menu entry for it, so I'll need the command to create a launcher for it? anyone know the command?
[23:50] <Kimlaroux> I usually creates the entry manually
[23:50] <Kimlaroux> through the "Menu Editor" when you right click on the launch button
[23:51] <c_> and where's the menu editor again?  I used to be able to do this in hardy no problem, but lynx....grrr........
[23:53] <Kimlaroux> the K button, right click on it
[23:55] <c_> Kimlaroux: thx...got it, but what's the command?
[23:56] <Ryllez89> guys, the tutorials for ubuntu is the same to kubuntu?
[23:56] <c_> wait...it's already there
[23:57] <c_> but why wasn't it before I found menu editor again?  so annoying