[01:09] <Azelphur> I assume if a TF2 server (Single threaded application) eats an entire core of an i7 860 @ 2.8ghz, it's not gonna survive at all on a Xeon 5620 2.4ghz, right?
[01:09] <Azelphur> the i7 kinda struggles, I see little periods where the server isn't running optimally on rare occasions, it's right on the edge.
[01:11] <penguin42> Azelphur: Well, I think the 5620 has a bigger cache - so who knows?
[01:13] <Azelphur> penguin42: *shrug*
[01:18] <Seeker`> aren't Xeons a different architecture?
[01:18] <Azelphur> I'd imagine so, rather difficult to compare
[01:19] <penguin42> Seeker`: Memory system is, but cores are the same - although a bit out of step with which core is which xeon
[02:08] <popey> Azelphur: the i7 will 'turbo' up to 3.46 GHz for a single threaded app though won't it.
[02:11] <hamitron> not much use if using all cores though :/
[02:12] <popey> true
[02:13] <Azelphur> yea, I'm using 4 of the single threaded application
[02:13] <Azelphur> so it shouldn't turbo very much
[02:14] <Azelphur> I might be saved again though, my friend that works at choopa is hooking me up with some very, very shiny things.
[02:24] <supermanintights> what's the calendar support for the ical format like?  I run an apartments business and need to sync to calendars with a very regular update rate?  pretty much the only thing i need to confirm before i make the switch :)
[02:28] <shauno> be worth finding someone who's used it a bit more recently, but I've never had any problem with evolution or mozilla sunbird
[02:28] <shauno> ical's format is pretty much the standard now, so google calendar & such all export with ics too
[02:29] <shauno> (also be worth trying at not-2.30am ;)
[02:29] <supermanintights> LOL
[02:29] <supermanintights> thanks shauno
[02:30] <supermanintights> wasn't really expecting much of a response at this tiem
[02:30] <supermanintights> but
[02:30] <supermanintights> worth the post
[02:30] <supermanintights> cheers :)
[02:30] <shauno> I've used sunbird with ical calendars recently, but on windows; and evolution about 5 years ago. no complaints
[02:31] <supermanintights> sunbird was ok, i just prefer to stick with OS bundled software for the most part - downloading lots of different software for individual tasks annoy me for some reason
[02:32] <supermanintights> do you know if support for dual monitors has been made easier in recent versions?  it used to be a pain to do it each time - rather than it automatically recognising and then showign the second screen automatically - which is something i really like in windows (lazy, but it's enough of an issue to be a factor)
[02:33] <shauno> heh, if Azelphur is wake (and he usually is), he'd be able to point you better on that one
[02:33] <Azelphur> oO, questions for me
[02:33]  * Azelphur reads
[02:33] <supermanintights> LOL
[02:33] <Azelphur> calendar stuff? I don't know too much o.O
[02:33] <supermanintights> ubuntu community - love it, best part of ubuntu
[02:33] <supermanintights> i think the dual monitors was aimed at you
[02:33] <shauno> Azelphur: nah, the last one, dual-head
[02:33] <Azelphur> oh, dual head that's totally my department :D
[02:34] <supermanintights> i use two
[02:34] <Azelphur> Yes, dual head support has been made much better
[02:34] <supermanintights> a standard vga monitor - for general work
[02:34] <supermanintights> and a big tv via hdmi for media
[02:34] <Azelphur> especially on the ATI open source drivers, they are quite literally zero config plug and play
[02:34] <supermanintights> think my card is nvdia
[02:34] <Azelphur> You should be able to configure that very easily using nvidia-settings
[02:35] <supermanintights> is there a way of getting it to read automatically and run the dualboot when i plug in - a la windows?
[02:35] <Azelphur> So when you plug the hdmi in, it automatically enables it?
[02:35] <supermanintights> yeah, or the vga cable
[02:35] <supermanintights> it's a small task i know
[02:35] <Azelphur> I'm not sure how you'd do the detection of the plugging in
[02:35] <Azelphur> but you could probably make a desktop icon for it easily
[02:35] <supermanintights> but it was enough of a pain that it was one of the reasons i went back to windows
[02:36] <Azelphur> (IE plug in, press desktop icon button, done)
[02:36] <supermanintights> hmm, i don't mind a desktop icon/keystroke shortcut - just the whole shebang used to drive me nuts - as i'm constantly moving about and unplugging/plugging
[02:37] <supermanintights> how does windows recognise it automatically - is there a way to duplicate that?
[02:37] <supermanintights> if not - the icon/keystroke is more than fine - i can work with that easily
[02:40] <Azelphur> supermanintights: I have no idea
[02:40] <Azelphur> that's why I don't know how to duplicate it
[02:40] <Azelphur> :P
[02:40] <supermanintights> :P
[02:40] <Azelphur> but yes, icon/keystroke should be entirely possible (nvidia-settings has lots of shiny command line options)
[02:41]  * hamitron wishes he could get it working in windows
[02:41] <hamitron> ;)
[02:41] <supermanintights> awesome - you've pretty much sold my last line of concerns about ubuntu
[02:41] <supermanintights> get what working hamitron?
[02:41] <hamitron> multi-monitor
[02:42] <supermanintights> plug in and go?
[02:42] <supermanintights> works for me
[02:42] <hamitron> if I turn one off, it needs to be re-detected each time
[02:42] <supermanintights> really? that's unusual
[02:42] <supermanintights> let me look for this software that was really advanced for dual screens
[02:42] <hamitron> annoying, but I now know how to do it
[02:42] <supermanintights> http://www.realtimesoft.com/ultramon/
[02:42] <hamitron> but be better if it just worked
[02:43] <supermanintights> (probably about to be kicked for discussing the enemy, but people helped me - if i can help back, i'll do it)
[02:44] <hamitron> hehe, ty
[02:44] <supermanintights> what file system should i format my usb stick to install ubuntu?  i'm running a hackintosh (so osx snow leopard)
[02:45] <hamitron> I only use a 2nd screen, because I am too lazy to unclamp my racing wheel for the desk.... so just move position
[02:45] <hamitron> from*
[03:00] <Azelphur> supermanintights: btw, I'm a quad (sort of technically hex) screen user
[03:00] <Azelphur> hehe
[03:01] <supermanintights> fml
[03:01] <supermanintights> how did you do that?
[03:01] <supermanintights> i can never get more than 1 extra screen running
[03:01] <Azelphur> with great difficulty, once you get beyond dual it becomes a bit of a nightmare
[03:01] <Azelphur> hehe
[03:02] <supermanintights> do you need special hardware/software? or just spend time configuring?"
[03:02] <Azelphur> I have a dual X screen setup, it's sort of like having 2 separate dual screen computers, I can't drag windows between them, they have their own instance of everything (panels, etc) and are almost entirely independent
[03:03] <supermanintights> hmm
[03:03] <Azelphur> if I rotate the compiz cube, it'll only rotate it on 2 of the 4 screens
[03:03] <supermanintights> is that useful then?
[03:03] <Azelphur> it's not special no, I have a GTX 570 which I do my gaming on, and a 8800GT which I just use to drive the other monitors for desktop purposes
[03:03] <supermanintights> surely being able to run all 4/5 screens in one running and interact would be better?
[03:03] <Azelphur> yes, but that's not possible unfortunately
[03:03] <supermanintights> least it looks cool with the chicks right? :P
[03:04] <Azelphur> well, it's sort of possible, you just take a massive performance hit and get no compiz which makes it suck
[03:04] <Azelphur> supermanintights: haha, totally ;)
[03:04] <supermanintights> really? i've seen my friend do it with 3 screens - got triplehead hardware or something
[03:04] <Azelphur> supermanintights: you'll probably find that was on ATI
[03:04] <supermanintights> but he uses a macpro
[03:04] <supermanintights> macbook pro i mean
[03:04] <Azelphur> the macs typically ship with ATI's
[03:04] <Azelphur> so that adds up.
[03:04] <supermanintights> yeah
[03:05] <supermanintights> all the stuff about my laptop suggests it's ATI
[03:05] <supermanintights> but when i was running windows - it only seemed to register NVIDIA
[03:05] <supermanintights> so i don't know what mine is, assume nvidia but megh
[03:05] <supermanintights> meh
[03:05] <Azelphur> My dream is that one day nvidia will get their shit into gear, and compiz will sort out per-screen compiz cube
[03:05] <Azelphur> then I'll be a happy camper.
[03:05] <supermanintights> :P
[03:05] <supermanintights> "I have a dream"
[03:06] <Azelphur> indeed haha
[03:06] <Azelphur> supermanintights: if your laptops got Ubuntu on it, just run lspci | grep VGA in a terminal, it'll tell ya what card(s) it has
[03:06] <supermanintights> i'm on OSX at the moment
[03:06] <Azelphur> if your lucky that may even work on OSX
[03:06] <supermanintights> and lspci didn't work before
[03:06] <Azelphur> fair enough :p
[03:07] <supermanintights> i only went to OSX because all my friends use macbook pro, and paid lots of money
[03:07] <supermanintights> it was a big **** you to them raving on about it, and how worth every penny it was
[03:07] <supermanintights> never hated an OS more, and that includes Vista
[03:08] <Azelphur> haha
[03:10] <supermanintights> can linux read the OSX filesystem?
[03:10] <Azelphur> ye
[03:10] <Azelphur> +s
[03:10] <supermanintights> OS extended - journaled?
[03:10] <Azelphur> should be fine
[03:10] <supermanintights> hmm
[03:10] <supermanintights> interesting
[03:10] <Azelphur> (I don't actually know, it's just that Linux seems to read everything, so just assume yes)
[03:10] <supermanintights> haha
[03:11] <supermanintights> i think it'll be a moot point
[03:11] <supermanintights> unless i want to install to cd which i really cba doing
[03:11] <supermanintights> meh
[03:11] <Azelphur> :)
[03:13] <supermanintights> how come you're still awake at this hour?
[03:13] <supermanintights> not that i'm complaining
[03:13] <supermanintights> you've been a huge help
[03:13] <Azelphur> I'm nocturnal
[03:13] <Azelphur> :D
[03:13] <supermanintights> but still :P
[03:13] <supermanintights> yeah, i am, don't want to be - people are making morning plans
[03:13] <supermanintights> i'm still awake now
[03:14] <supermanintights> and feel like if i had to stay awake until 8am - it's not a big deal
[03:15] <supermanintights> screw it, i'll do all the swapping over tomorrow
[03:15] <Azelphur> haha
[03:15] <supermanintights> or else i really will be working on this all night, which isn't a good thing
[03:15] <Azelphur> yea, I've been staying up till like 8 recently
[03:15] <Azelphur> I try not to, but I've been dealing with datacenter issues and my datacenter is in NJ
[03:15] <Azelphur> time zones \o/
[03:15] <supermanintights> normally it's a not a problem, it's when friends make morning plans now i'm back home for xmas that's the problem
[03:15] <supermanintights> :P
[03:15] <Azelphur> haha
[03:15] <supermanintights> know the feeling
[03:16] <supermanintights> finding out about scheduled SMS and scheduled emails have been a life saver for me
[03:17] <ali1234> wat is PMOS??
[03:18] <ali1234> http://www.americanmicrosemi.com/information/spec/?ss_pn=UPD552C
[03:18] <ali1234> :S
[03:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: you havn't heard this one yet, your gonna love it
[03:19] <Azelphur> ali1234: minecraft is bringing down switches in my datacenter (sort of)
[03:19] <ali1234> it does that
[03:19] <Azelphur> haha
[03:19] <ali1234> plays hell with packet shapers too
[03:27] <Azelphur> guess that doesn't surprise you too much then :p
[03:27] <ali1234> i suspect the switch is really a packet shaper
[03:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: perhaps, it's getting screwed over continually by small 100mbit DDoS attacks
[03:29] <Azelphur> my host also informed me that they are dealing with these small 100mbit DDoS attacks by instantly terminating the service of any of the victims
[03:29] <Azelphur> which is...not so good, I'm running away :p
[03:32] <ali1234> man i hate searching for data sheets
[06:46] <mattt> crap, jet lagged ... woke up at 4:30 AM :/
[06:53] <shauno> Trying to add firewall rules from my phone at 7am .. Not my finest feat in forethought
[06:54] <mattt> heh
[09:36] <AlanBell> shauno: do not sit on the branch you are cutting with the chainsaw
[09:40] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:43] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski
[09:44] <czajkowski> AlanBell: *waves*
[09:46] <AlanBell> christel was suggesting drinkies in Farnham this year sometime, which realisticaly means tonight or tomorrow
[09:46] <czajkowski> we're off visiting both nights
[09:47] <czajkowski> I am also smothered with a cold
[09:47] <czajkowski> :(
[09:47] <AlanBell> oh well, there is always next year
[09:47] <AlanBell> how is the new place?
[09:47] <czajkowski> this is true
[09:47] <czajkowski> nice
[09:47] <czajkowski> try9ing to navigate via boxes
[09:48] <czajkowski> it;s a fully furnished place
[09:48] <czajkowski> and has a lot of stuff so trying to box it away and take out our stuff
[09:49] <MartijnVdS> it's a bit like using Unity after getting used to Gnome2
[09:50]  * AlanBell sends round the analogy police
[09:52] <czajkowski> MartijnVdS: eh no
[09:52] <czajkowski> new year folks stiop giving out about unity :)
[09:52] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: is it like using Gnome Shell after getting used to Unity then?
[09:53] <AlanBell> like using emacs when you are used to vi
[09:53] <czajkowski> AlanBell: congrats on IRCC
[09:53]  * AlanBell just uses nano and gedit
[09:54] <AlanBell> thanks czajkowski
[10:01] <AlanBell> popey: TheOpenSourcerer: up for a few beers in Farnham?
[10:18] <daubers> Good moaning
[10:20]  * christel grmbles
[10:20] <christel> i have water EVERYWHERE
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> You're >70% water, so that's good, right?
[10:21] <czajkowski> christel: oh I take it this is not on purpose
[10:22] <christel> indeed not!
[10:22] <christel> the pipes under my sink came apart back in november, had a plumber out, he spent hours fiddling with them...
[10:22] <christel> a month later they just came apart in the SAME bloody place
[10:22] <christel> i am most impressed
[10:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: To be spoken in the voice of Hong Kong Phooey: "COULD BE!"
[10:23] <christel> and he is clearly having his christmas holidays still as he's not picking up the phone, so i just left a rather irate "get over here now and fix this, for free!" type message on his answerphone
[10:24] <AlanBell> I replumbed the bathroom and kitchen in the old house we had
[10:24] <christel> is that you offering to come do my plumbing? ;)
[10:24] <AlanBell> not sure where my blowtorch is now
[10:25] <christel> i have decided i might die, whomever did the wiring decided that the best place for power for dishwasher/washing machine would be under the sink, with the pipes
[10:25] <christel> so the sockets are now soaking wet
[10:25] <AlanBell> I used to have all the gear, pipe cutting tools and a bag of assorted joints
[10:25] <christel> and i am too much of a wuss to try turn them off!
[10:26] <czajkowski> christel: aye sockets for the dishwasher back at home at under the sink
[10:26] <czajkowski> as is the case here for dishwasher and washing machine
[10:27] <czajkowski> they do have the gargabrage disposal fuse on/off switch on the actual worktop
[10:27] <matti> Eh.
[10:27] <matti> issyl0: :)
[10:29] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[10:29] <christel> if i manage to dry it, would ducttape hold it together until the plumber responds (if i then attempt to use the sink/dishwasher/washing machine etc as little as possible until he turns his bloody phone on?)
[10:30] <daubers> christel: Is it PVC pipe or copper pipe?
[10:30] <AlanBell> and is it hot, cold or waste?
[10:30]  * AlanBell does *not* like waste
[10:31] <gordonjcp> christel: can you get a photo of the pipes?
[10:31] <gordonjcp> christel: if you look in your fuse box you'll probably find that the kitchen sockets are on a separate breaker to the rest of the house
[10:31] <christel> AlanBell: yeah it's the outlet thingie from the sink
[10:31] <christel> and it's pvc
[10:31] <AlanBell> christel: 40mm pvc waste pipe
[10:31] <AlanBell> smelly :(
[10:32] <christel> basically it looks like what he did when he "replaced" it last month was to replace it with a bit without any threading on
[10:32] <christel> because it's just slipped out from the threaded bit, but it's entirely smooth
[10:32] <daubers> Ah! It's probably a push joint
[10:32] <gordonjcp> yup
[10:32] <daubers> You get push connect joints in pvc rather than threaded joints
[10:33] <gordonjcp> what you do is unscrew the plastic collar, slip that over the pipe, then unpick the rubber ring from the trap
[10:33] <christel> i haven't got the faintest idea what you are talking about, but i find it very exciting that you do
[10:33] <gordonjcp> christel: get a photo and I'll draw a diagram
[10:33]  * czajkowski hugs christel 
[10:33] <christel> DIAGRAM :D
[10:33] <AlanBell> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fySyTNCiMes
[10:36] <christel> OK! i have unscrewed the collar and i have the rubber ring in my hand! what do i do now? :D
[10:37] <gordonjcp> slide the rubber bit up the pipe about the width of your index finger, maybe a little further
[10:38] <gordonjcp> there might be a little plastic ring that goes between the collar and the rubber ring to act as a washer
[10:39] <gordonjcp> then slide the pipe back into the trap and screw the collar up fairly tight
[10:39] <gordonjcp> not absolutely horsed up, just so it starts to squeeze the rubber seal
[10:39] <gordonjcp> if it still leaks, tighten it a little more
[10:40] <AlanBell> is the ring undamaged and clean?
[10:41] <christel> AlanBell: YES
[10:41] <christel> also, IT WORKED
[10:41] <AlanBell> yay
[10:41] <christel> who needs men when you have #ubuntu-uk!?
[10:41] <czajkowski> lol
[10:41] <christel> thank you daubers, AlanBell and gordonjcp <3
[10:41] <czajkowski> true to be fair
[10:42] <daubers> heh
[10:43] <gordonjcp> christel: no problem ;-)
[10:43] <AlanBell> if I have any trouble with a waste pipe I now know who to call ;)
[10:44] <gordonjcp> christel: it should probably fall at a slight angle from the trap, otherwise all kinds of gunk builds up
[10:44] <christel> i would easily have spent 200 quid on having a plumber come around to drink tea and uuhm and aah at it you know
[10:44] <christel> AlanBell: haha <3
[10:44]  * gordonjcp used to have to regularly - like, every two weeks - remove and degunk the pipe under the bath
[10:45] <gordonjcp> I guess one upside is that I no longer have to remove vast quantities of long purple hair from the bath trap.
[10:45] <christel> (i wonder why it took the plumber 3 hours when he came to fix the exact same thing back in november)
[10:45] <christel> because less irc time that was a 2minute job
[10:45] <christel> (admittedly i drank less tea)
[10:48] <christel> you guys are so lovely!
[10:48] <christel> and i am now having a proud diy achievement moment
[10:48] <christel> which is bad, because i am now contemplating whether i could also just ask you guys how to fix my floors instead of getting a Man in to do them..
[10:49] <christel> (i've pulled up the carpets to discover lovely wooden floors, only there's a few bits missing that i need to replace and then i need to sand and varnish them!)
[10:49] <AlanBell> christel: *you* fixed the sink
[10:49] <AlanBell> you can do the floors too
[10:49] <christel> <3
[10:53] <christel> AlanBell: operation shrinkage is going well -- i have managed to lose 4st now, now to hope it doesn't find me again!
[10:53] <AlanBell> thats great
[10:54] <christel> \o/
[10:54] <AlanBell> christel--
[10:55] <christel> indeed!
[11:00] <mikeatvillage> so, this is the place to go if I need advice on my drainage?
[11:00] <christel> absolutely!
[11:02] <mikeatvillage> :-)
[11:48] <popey> AlanBell: when?
[11:49] <AlanBell> tonight or tomorrow
[11:51] <popey> cant do tomorrow, got a wedding
[11:51] <popey> GNNNNNN!
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> popey: who are you marrying?
[11:51] <popey> properly annoying issue with my laptop
[11:51] <popey> i type in irssi and the screen doesnt update
[11:51] <popey> i have to force a screen update with CTRL+L
[11:51] <MartijnVdS> Ctrl+L ?
[11:51] <popey> i have to do that all the time
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> Ctrl+A, Ctrl+L?
[11:52] <popey> yes
[11:52] <popey> well, ALT+A, then CTRL+L
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> maybe some other CtrlA combo broke it (flow control)?
[11:52] <MartijnVdS> there's also "normal" C-l, without C-a
[11:52] <popey> hang on
[11:52] <popey> I have been doing c-l to 'fix' the issue of screen not updating
[11:52] <popey> what is c-a, c-l?
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> it forces screen to do a screen update
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> instead of the app that happens to be running
[11:53] <AlanBell> popey: tonight it is then
[11:53]  * popey checks with mothership
[11:54] <popey> ok
[11:54] <AlanBell> yay
[11:54] <popey> hmm, seems okay now I have done c-a, c-l
[11:54] <popey> has that toggled something on again?
[11:54] <popey> I can imagine I accidentially c-a,c-l in the past
[11:55] <popey> bah, no
[11:56] <popey> ahhh, c-a,l, not c-a,c-l
[11:57] <popey> grrr
[11:57] <popey> sometimes updates, sometimes doesn't
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> try C-a C-f
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> you might have done that accidentally?
[12:00] <popey> do you mean c-a,f
[12:00] <popey> for flow
[12:00] <MartijnVdS> yes
[12:00] <popey> i may have, yes.
[12:01] <popey> tried +flow, now on -flow
[12:01] <popey> seems better
[12:01] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[12:01] <popey> thanks
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: C-a,: nethack on
[12:02] <MartijnVdS> popey: ;)
[12:41] <smittix> Afternoon all.
[12:41] <jacobw> afternoon
[12:43] <smittix> How goes?
[12:44] <jacobw> i'm well and waiting patiently for the new year
[12:44] <jacobw> yourself?
[12:46] <smittix> Good thanks. In the middle of a massive ERP implementation :/
[12:46] <penguin42> you can be good while doing an ERP implementation?
[12:47] <smittix> I am trying to stay positive
[12:47] <smittix> heh
[12:56] <AlanBell> smittix: what ERP?
[12:57] <penguin42> AlanBell: Enterprise Resource Planning
[12:57] <AlanBell> :) I know that bit!
[12:57] <AlanBell> which one?
[12:57] <penguin42> oh sorry I imagined an is
[12:58] <AlanBell> we do openERP implementations, but try to avoid them being massive
[12:59]  * popey bets on SAP
[13:17] <smittix> AlanBell: It's called Accord.
[13:17]  * AlanBell observes yet another failed bet on SAP
[13:17] <smittix> haha
[13:17] <smittix> by a company called BCP.
[13:19] <AlanBell> interesting stuff
[13:23] <smittix> Printing formats do my nut in.
[13:24]  * TheOpenSourcerer is currently looking at OpenERP invoice templates...
[13:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> At least it is ODF.
[13:27] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: beers this evening?
[13:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm. Not sure just yet. I'm out all day tomorrow Golf then lots of beer. Not sure I'll get (or deserve) another pass. I will ask though when she gets home.
[14:28] <gordboy> paul, i'm just waiting for glasgow cid to call back regarding the electron club at the cca, see you at curlers at 6 for a pint
[14:29] <gordboy> damn wrong tab. sowwy
[14:29] <mgdm> a/24
[14:29] <mgdm> oops
[14:29]  * penguin42 hates to think what that was about ...
[14:40] <gordonjcp> gordboy: freak
[14:54] <smittix> TheOpenSourcerer: I am looking invoice templates too. Trying to blank a label if there is no data in the field.
[14:55] <smittix> Writter in Progress
[15:12] <smittix> bah shocking upload speeds via SFTP
[15:53] <penguin42> I mentioned Creme eggs in a G+ checkin and got 3 +1s from ladies I'd never heard of
[16:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alan Bell] Ubuntu IRC Council - http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/12/29/ubuntu-irc-council-2/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=ubuntu-irc-council-2
[16:08] <Laney> ops plz
[16:10] <christel> penguin42: mmmmcreme eggs.
[16:10] <christel> (did you mention Daviey ?)
[16:10] <penguin42> Daviey?
[16:10] <christel> he likes creme eggs very much.
[16:10]  * christel nods
[16:10] <Pendulum> christel: don't confuse the uninitiated
[16:11] <czajkowski> or scare them
[16:11] <christel> hehe
[16:12] <czajkowski> christel: did the plumber ever get back to you
[16:12] <penguin42> christel: tbh I don't like creme eggs - too much creme and not enough chocolate
[16:12] <christel> czajkowski: no :(
[16:13] <christel> penguin42: ah see i am the other way around, i cant stand the chocolate but i love the goo! so i lick them clean and discard the chocolate :S
[16:13] <penguin42> christel: I think you need a more hygenic way of separating them and then we might do a deal
[16:13] <czajkowski> lol
[16:14]  * mgdm hands christel a spoon
[16:15] <christel> haha
[16:15] <penguin42> christel: Not that creme eggs have good chocolate, but it's still chocolate!
[16:15] <christel> mgdm: thanking you!
[16:16] <christel> i wonder if i could go around shops extracting the goo with a syringe and leaving the chocolate eggs behind
[16:16] <christel> (and then we'd have hordes of disappointed children wondering why their creme egg was faulty)
[16:18] <penguin42> you'd think Cadburys would have started selling jars of the stuff for people like you by now
[16:18] <christel> i agree! they are missing out
[16:20] <gordonjcp> it's just fondant, you can make it
[16:32] <DJones> christel: http://www.angelfire.com/wizard/pawdygrrl/recipes/top-secret_recipes/cadbury_creme_egg.html
[16:36] <christel> DJones, gordonjcp : i love you.
[16:36] <christel> first you sort out my leak, then you tell me how to make creme egg creme!
[16:36] <DJones> Heh
[16:36] <DJones> All you'll need now is to find a dentist via the channel :)
[16:37] <christel> hahaha
[16:37] <christel> yes!
[16:48] <gordonjcp> launchpad really is *horrible* to use
[16:53] <penguin42> gordonjcp: Most of ht ebug systems are - lp is far from the worst (well, at least when it isn't timing out)
[16:54] <gordonjcp> penguin42: that's part of the problem
[16:54] <buzz_> yeh when launchpad doesnt time out, it's ok
[16:54] <gordonjcp> also I can never remember my password, since it forces me to use the wrong password
[16:54] <penguin42> ?
[16:57] <gordonjcp> one I can't remember, with a weird mix of capitalisation etc
[16:58] <buzz_> i keep mine in the browser
[16:58] <buzz_> and in keepass
[16:58] <gordonjcp> that's a lot of effort to go to for something I use every few months
[17:01] <buzz_> it's a lot of effort to keep the password in your webbrowser ?
[17:01] <buzz_> surely thats convenient.
[17:07] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Alistair McKinlay] If you oppose this then& - http://www.10people.co.uk/index.php/2011/12/if-you-oppose-this-then/
[17:11] <kvarley> Installing CoD4 on the latest stable wine version I get "Error: -1603 Fatal error during installation." How can I fix this?
[17:11] <kvarley> ( I have asked on WineHQ but often this channel provides a speedier answer =] )
[17:23] <Azelphur> kvarley: wine --version ?
[17:24] <kvarley> Azelphur: wine-1.3.35
[17:25] <kvarley> Azelphur: I think it may be a read error
[17:25] <Azelphur> you on the steam version, or latest 1.7?
[17:25] <Azelphur> or retail DVD?
[17:26] <kvarley> Azelphur: Trying to install from the retail DVD
[17:26] <kvarley> Azelphur: How can I extract a .iso? I think my backup isn't mounting properly
[17:26] <Azelphur> kvarley: have you read the appdb / done the patches?
[17:27] <Azelphur> kvarley: file-roller should do it (It's the default extraction tool in Ubuntu)
[17:27] <kvarley> Azelphur: yes, there is no mention of my error code. I can't do the patches until I have installed the retail version
[17:28] <kvarley> Azelphur: I'll just install from the proper DVD rather than my backed up image
[17:29] <kvarley> Azelphur: Thanks for the help anyways
[17:29] <Azelphur> :)
[17:29] <Azelphur> yw
[17:29] <Azelphur> also punkbuster working is interesting, I wonder if that means I can use it with BF2 now, I missed BF2.
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> Laney: sorry ;)
[17:38] <Laney> BOOM BOOM!
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> Laney: hm?
[18:03] <czajkowski> danfish: http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/london/london-irish-rugby/2292271
[18:04] <AlanBell> popey: so you can come out to play? what time and how are you getting here?
[18:04] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/london/london-irish-rugby/2292271
[18:05] <zleap> Flashtek
[18:16] <mattt> czajkowski: bloody good deal, gonna get me some tickets
[18:17] <aquarius> yo
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> yo
[18:18] <aquarius> anyone feel particularly sysadminy today? :)
[18:18] <mattt> i may be living in reading by 26th of feb too, which is even better :D
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: what's the problem
[18:18] <aquarius> jono and I have managed to make our server, er, not boot
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> physical or virtual?
[18:18] <aquarius> physical, but remote
[18:19] <aquarius> but I have access to an admin shell via bytemark, fortunately
[18:19] <aquarius> all the data's still there
[18:19] <aquarius> I can boot from a netboot image and then chroot into the server and it's all still there
[18:19] <aquarius> it just hangs when booting
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> OK.. but "normal" booting fails
[18:19] <aquarius> what I thought I might do is apt-get install --reinstall all the kernel packages and stuff
[18:19] <aquarius> but I don't know which packages to *do*
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> linux-image-{whatever the latest is}
[18:20] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: while chrooted
[18:20] <aquarius> indeed
[18:20] <aquarius> ah, it seems to be linux-image-server, for a start, and I tried reinstalling that (and initramfs-tools and udev) and that hasn't helped :(
[18:20] <aquarius> so... now I'm looking for ideas
[18:20] <mattt> aquarius: where specifically is it hanging?
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> you need linux-image-someversion-server
[18:21] <aquarius> !!!
[18:21] <aquarius> it seems to be coming back up!
[18:21] <aquarius> hm
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> *\o/*
[18:21] <aquarius> maybe it's working
[18:21] <aquarius> clearly just talking to you has helped :P
[18:22] <mattt> maybe it was fscking :P
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: rubberducking
[18:22] <aquarius> yay! it works!
[18:22] <aquarius> now gonna restart it and check that it actually works on a restart )
[18:22]  * mattt holds onto his butt
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?RubberDucking
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> (which triggers an fsck on another partition which takes another century and a half to complete)
[18:23] <aquarius> haha
[18:23] <DJones> So thats one sink plumbing thats been fixed, one recipe of cream egg filling, & one server fixed all through conversation in -uk today :)
[18:23] <aquarius> rubber ducking. I like that
[18:23] <aquarius> bloke I know recommends telling your problem to the M-x doctor thing in emacs ;)
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: same thing really :)
[18:23] <aquarius> I think maybe it was fscking and that was taking ages
[18:24] <aquarius> and lo, I reboot and it's fscking again :)
[18:26]  * mattt just wrote a python unittest ... scaring myself here
[18:26] <popey> AlanBell: not sure, annoying family is annoying
[18:26] <MartijnVdS> mattt: \o/ unit tests
[18:27]  * MartijnVdS writes Perl ones all day
[18:28] <mattt> MartijnVdS: i don't code enough to really know when it's appropriate, but i just found a great opportunity to write such a test :D
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> mattt: it's ALWAYS appropriate
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> mattt: http://misko.hevery.com/code-reviewers-guide/ \o/
[18:29] <aquarius> and we're up!
[18:30] <aquarius> yay
[18:30] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: time for a big blog post to catch up
[18:33] <zleap> i got the impression it auto fsck'd the file system every so many reboots
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> zleap: that, or after a set amount of time has passed
[18:33] <zleap> yeay
[18:34] <zleap> yeah, if you cancel it just tries again the next time until you let it run the test fully
[18:44] <AlanBell> and now it rains :(
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> :(
[18:44] <AlanBell> zleap: every 30 mounts by default (not quite the same as reboots, but close enough
[18:45] <zleap> ah thanks
[18:46] <zleap> anyway its a good idea really,
[18:46] <christel> aww your chickens will get wet :(
[18:46] <MartijnVdS> hmm wet chicks
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> *cough*
[18:47] <zleap> lol
[18:51] <christel> MartijnVdS: oh shussh you! :P
[19:01] <mattt> daubers: ipv6?  nice :)
[19:02] <daubers> mattt: At the hackspace :) All ipv6 in here
[19:02] <popey> MartijnVdS: my screen refresh issue is nothing to do with screen/irssi
[19:02] <popey> MartijnVdS: if i open gnome terminal on my laptop and do ls -ltr, sometimes it doesn't update
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> popey: scary/strange?
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> does "reset" fix it?
[19:03] <AlanBell> can you then drag the window about without it updating?
[19:04] <popey> need to test that, its not immediately reproducable
[19:04] <popey> it sometimes updates part of the window
[19:04] <popey> like its a video driver / xdamage / compiz issue
[19:04] <popey> like it will update a square
[19:10] <czajkowski> anyone here live in Kent
[19:10] <czajkowski> attempting  (poorly) to find a train station near a place in kent and failing
[19:11] <czajkowski> I want to get to Biggin hill airport, which I know is in kent, so trying to work backwards how to get there via train
[19:11] <christel> oooh, my friend louise lived in biggin hill
[19:11] <christel> the irish loon who is 6'3" and used to play for munster!
[19:12] <christel> (i have no idea where the nearest train station is mind)
[19:13] <czajkowski> christel: have you seennhttp://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/london/london-irish-rugby/2292271
[19:26] <oly> czajkowski, westerham i think is near biggin hill, not sure if that helps
[19:29] <Azelphur> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAo-DmzdvK0 this guy is hilarious, haha
[19:45] <daubers> Python gtk question!
[19:46] <daubers> I have an image box, and putting an image in it
[19:46] <daubers> resizing the image with a pixbuf, but how the hell can I find out what the size of the widget is to resize it to that
[19:47] <gordonjcp> I think you get the allocation for the widget
[19:49] <dutchie> mmm, http://developer.gnome.org/pygtk/stable/class-gtkwidget.html#method-gtkwidget--get-allocation looks useful
[19:49] <daubers> Yeah, still mucking me around though :(
[19:50] <daubers> So what the hell is wrong with this http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/787163/
[19:50] <MartijnVdS> indentation?
[19:50] <ali1234> you're using gtk
[19:50] <Azelphur> I had an interesting idea the other day, I keep seeing all these hybrid SSDs floating about. I wonder if it's possible to do that in software?
[19:51] <daubers> returns http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/787165/
[19:51] <daubers> (other than indentation, pastebin broke it)
[19:51] <Azelphur> I have a 40GB SSD and I'm only using like 10GB of that, would be interesting to have a "1TB Hybrid drive" which was just a combo of my SSD's spare space, and my standard 1TB Sata HDD
[19:51] <christel> czajkowski: oooh
[19:55] <mgdm> Azelphur: the hybrid drives have the advantage that the SSD bit and the HD bit are linked by something very very fast
[19:55] <mgdm> Azelphur: if they're in separate units, they won't
[19:55] <Azelphur> aww :(
[20:02] <mgdm> Morning aquarius
[20:02] <daubers> GAH! Stupid gtk
[20:02] <aquarius> yo
[20:02]  * aquarius is also struggling with gtk :)
[20:02] <jacobw> daubers: gtk-- ;)
[20:02] <daubers> wtf does Warning: specified class size for type `PyGtkGenericCellRenderer' is smaller than the parent type's `GtkCellRenderer' class size actually mean basil?
[20:05] <penguin42> daubers: Well I know nowt about PyGtk but normally child classes are bigger than parents
[20:05] <daubers> penguin42: All I'm trying to do is load an image into a pixbuf
[20:06] <penguin42> daubers: My guess is it's a difference in opinion between versions of python and/or gtk
[20:07] <aquarius> anyone feeling knowledgeable about gtk drag and drop? :)
[20:11] <daubers> Poxy damn thing
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> 2 people who love GTK ;)
[20:20]  * penguin42 swears at Android ndk
[20:20] <mgdm> I've thus far managed to avoid to use the NDK for anything
[20:22] <penguin42> mgdm: I'm just playing with it and it's refusing to do a build
[20:25] <daubers> bah! turns out it's quickly being pants
[20:25] <monster2323> I so badly want to be hired as a software engineer
[20:26] <monster2323> but is it wrong to be hired as a sys admin?
[20:26] <monster2323> when I graduate
[20:27] <penguin42> monster2323: In some places it can be hard to switch from sysadmin groups to dev
[20:27] <monster2323> in geographical terms?
[20:28] <penguin42> monster2323: I mean in some companies
[20:28] <monster2323> ah ok
[20:28] <monster2323> If I do become a software engineer how much sys admin work is there usually?
[20:28] <monster2323> I'm clueless
[20:28] <mgdm> it depends on mnay factors
[20:29] <mgdm> the company, the type of software, the platform it runs on, the size of the company, etc etc
[20:29] <monster2323> ahhh ok
[20:30] <penguin42> monster2323: Very much depends on the company; in some types of software engineer stuf fthere would be no sysadmin
[20:31] <monster2323> what advice would you give a n00b?
[20:31] <mgdm> impossible to say
[20:32] <monster2323> anything!
[20:32] <monster2323> anything at all
[20:32] <penguin42> monster2323: If you want to be a softie then try and get a job being a softie; if the only job you can get is an admin and you're OK with it then go for it, but keep an eye out
[20:33] <monster2323> out of interest
[20:33] <monster2323> do both make equal money in general?
[20:33] <penguin42> monster2323: Again depends a lot
[20:33] <monster2323> because I know a few admins who seem to know a lot about programming
[20:33] <penguin42> monster2323: Sysadmins for specialist stuff can make a lot of money
[20:34] <monster2323> ahh po
[20:34] <monster2323> ok*
[20:35] <penguin42> but so can specialist softies
[20:35] <Supermanintights> hey guys - i'm looking to dualboot (from scratch - computer is currently sitting on the windows install screen) windows 7 and ubuntu.  someone told me last night to start by installing windows first.  i've never dualbooted before.  i've just found this guide: http://lifehacker.com/5403100/dual+boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-in-perfect-harmony - can someone with experience tell me if this is a
[20:35] <Supermanintights> good guide to follow - and which i should install/run first - windows 7 or ubuntu?  thanks :)
[20:36] <monster2323> depends
[20:36] <monster2323> if you're very new to linux
[20:36] <monster2323> I'd recommend wubi
[20:36] <monster2323> first
[20:36] <Supermanintights> i've used ubuntu before
[20:36] <monster2323> ah
[20:36] <Supermanintights> i'm no expert, but i'm comfortable with it
[20:36] <monster2323> if you feel confident enough install windows
[20:36] <penguin42> Supermanintights: If you have to install Windows then I'd install it first, and when you install it make sure you leave partitions and space for Linux
[20:36] <monster2323> then ubuntu
[20:36] <monster2323> ^
[20:37] <monster2323> install ubuntu last
[20:37] <monster2323> for easy paritioning
[20:37] <Supermanintights> what about the having 3 partitions - as the guide seems to state, i was thinking of having a separate partition (as well as external harddrives) that has files/videos/images etc. that can be read over both OS
[20:37] <Supermanintights> that's why i was looking at this guide
[20:38] <monster2323> yes that's my set up
[20:39] <Supermanintights> anyone done that before - is it feasible? i may be doing work that could take advantage of both operating systems - having a unified file system would be great
[20:39] <Supermanintights> cool
[20:39] <monster2323> I have windows 7 dual booting with ubuntu 10:04.x
[20:40] <monster2323> I install windows 7 first on one partition, ubuntu on another, and all my data (music, documents etc) are on another partition
[20:40] <Supermanintights> what file system do you use?
[20:40] <Supermanintights> for the 3rd?
[20:40] <Supermanintights> and any recommendations for what partition volume to use?  i have a 500gb internal
[20:41] <monster2323> I used 30gb for each OS
[20:41] <monster2323> the rest for data
[20:41] <monster2323> 30gb could be a bit much
[20:41] <Supermanintights> wow, that's enough? i was thinking 1:1:2
[20:41] <monster2323> as a ratio?
[20:41] <Azelphur> yes, 30GB is more than you'll ever need
[20:41] <Supermanintights> 30gb can hold all the applications?
[20:41] <Azelphur> I'm rather nutty, I have all the development packages, I pretty much have half the repository installed
[20:41] <Azelphur> my / is 8GB.
[20:42] <monster2323> 30gb is a bit much, agree
[20:42] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: I have a 40GB SSD which I put / on, only using 8 haha
[20:42] <Azelphur> and as I say that's with all dev packages and stuff installed
[20:42] <Supermanintights> huh.. i was thinking 100gb per OS - I wanted to install stuff like photoshop/games/etc. on windows, and other stuff on Ubuntu
[20:42] <Supermanintights> i may be missing something
[20:42] <monster2323> 30gb is fine
[20:42] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: oh, your not talking about separate /home?
[20:43] <Supermanintights> how does that all work then? adobe cs5 master collection is 16g
[20:43] <Azelphur> oh yea I see what your doing
[20:43] <Supermanintights> i'm not sure
[20:43] <Supermanintights> my idea
[20:43] <Supermanintights> 3 partitions, Ubuntu/Windows/Media
[20:43] <monster2323> I have MS visual stuido 2010
[20:43] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: yea make a 30GB partition for Ubuntu /
[20:43] <monster2323> which takes up 1tb
[20:43] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: then put /home in your "shared storage" location
[20:43] <Azelphur> that's what I'd do
[20:44] <monster2323> lol just kidding, but seriously Visual Studio 2010 is huge....
[20:44] <Supermanintights> hmm, i may need to come back for help for that then Azelphur - been about 12 months since i was a ubuntu guy
[20:44] <Azelphur> :)
[20:44] <Supermanintights> so monster2323 - how do you fit all the programs/apps on only 30gb?
[20:44] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: easy, you just do.
[20:44]  * Supermanintights mutters grumpily
[20:45] <Azelphur> lol
[20:45] <monster2323> How many MB/GB is photoshop?
[20:45] <daubers> Ok, so with gtk3 how can I load an image into a pixbuf to resize the damn thing?
[20:45] <monster2323> roughly work out the size of the applications
[20:45] <Supermanintights> wel it'd be the entire adobe collection - so it's around 16gb
[20:45] <monster2323> I promise you 30gb is huge for just applications
[20:45] <monster2323> UNLESS
[20:45] <monster2323> you have many many many applications
[20:45] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: installing that in wine or on windows?
[20:45] <monster2323> windows hopefully :/
[20:45] <Supermanintights> all photoshop/adobe stuff was windows Azelphur - don't fancy wine
[20:46] <Supermanintights> i'm trying to keep them native as possible
[20:46] <Supermanintights> less issues, and probably runs better
[20:46] <monster2323> whatever you do
[20:46] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: if you installed EVERY SINGLE PACKAGE in the Ubuntu repository, you'd use ~45GB.
[20:46] <monster2323> understand the GRUB
[20:46] <Azelphur> just to give you an idea
[20:46] <monster2323> GRUB2
[20:46] <monster2323> or whatever you prefer
[20:46] <Supermanintights> hhmm
[20:47] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: and that's all packages, 32bit and 64bit versions, including any packages that would conflict with eachother.
[20:47] <Supermanintights> well, i was thinking 100gb per OS, so how about 30gb ubuntu, 50-60gb windows - we'd all be in agreement that i'd be going ott - i could trust in that
[20:48] <Supermanintights> i'm probably underestimating the amount of media that make up the most of my storage
[20:48] <Azelphur> 30 is ok for Ubuntu tbh :)
[20:48] <Supermanintights> or should i drop ubuntu a bit more?
[20:48] <Azelphur> 30 is more than you'll need
[20:48] <Azelphur> if you was to install every single package you was able to install from the repository your talking like 20GB, so that leaves you room to install /everything/ and then space for future expansion
[20:48] <Azelphur> 30GB is the "OTT Insanely future-proof mode"
[20:49] <Supermanintights> i have (once I recover them - they corrupted themselves) 3tb of external harddrives - most of my media/stuff will be on there
[20:49] <Azelphur> :)
[20:49] <Supermanintights> but til i can figure out a way to recover without having to buy another external to hold the recovered files they're just sitting there corrupted don't ever buy WD harddrives)
[20:50] <Supermanintights> do i need to worry about formatting the partitions on the windows setup? or just run 3 partitions, and format the windows one i want to use (im doing the windows set up now)
[20:51] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: it's best to do windows first
[20:51] <Supermanintights> that's what i' doing now
[20:51] <Azelphur> cool :)
[20:51] <Supermanintights> i'd sooner install the tiny linux thing than use OSX for 1 more day
[20:52] <Azelphur> haha
[20:53] <monster2323> but all of your media will be stored in the data parition, no?
[20:53] <monster2323> ah macs are nice :(
[20:53] <Supermanintights> it's not a mac
[20:53] <monster2323> over priced
[20:53] <Supermanintights> it's a pc
[20:54] <Supermanintights> i don't like apple products - iphone was ok, til i got my note, but i decided to run a hackintosh for a while
[20:54] <Supermanintights> media is on my 3rd data partition - or that's the idea behind it
[20:54] <monster2323> I've never owned an apple product
[20:54] <Supermanintights> don't
[20:54] <monster2323> in that case, I am not sure why you want your OS parition's so large
[20:55] <Supermanintights> well i don't want to have adobe stuff on a partition when ubuntu will never touch it
[20:55] <Supermanintights> if you get me
[20:55] <Supermanintights> so all windows programs - on the windows partition
[20:55] <Supermanintights> all ubuntu on unbutu's
[20:56] <Supermanintights> then all media/docs/etc. on the 3rd partition that is accessible through both OS
[20:56] <monster2323> ahhh yes
[20:57] <monster2323> My friend uses a muli-boot flash drive with muliple OSs
[20:57] <Supermanintights> have i got this right - i've never done this, so this is how it works in my head - but i'm not sure if that's pratical if you get me
[20:57] <monster2323> a bit extreme
[20:57] <gordboy> gordonjcp: heh. yeah my grown up children call me that all the time. all the best for the new year and stuff
[20:57] <monster2323> but I'm sure he uses different OSs each time he logs onto his machine/s
[20:57] <Supermanintights> lol
[20:58] <Supermanintights> i was thinking running osx/windows/ubuntu - but then i realised i don't want/need to run mac
[20:58] <monster2323> but then again
[20:58] <monster2323> why do you use windows or ubuntu?
[20:58] <Supermanintights> ubuntu - i enjoyed the OS when i had my experience 12 months ago
[20:59] <monster2323> obviously you're not in this group, But I am amazed when people buy a £1500 mac and all they do is use facebook
[20:59] <monster2323> I mean, seriously
[21:00] <Supermanintights> lots of potential, especially now the WIFI issue I had before seems to be fixed, and ubuntu will work with my galaxy note - it didn't work with my iphone.  i enjoyed learning the terminal, and the potential for customization.  and then windows for gaming/media editing (photoshop/dreamweaver etc.)
[21:00] <Supermanintights> that is just retarded monster2323 - i totally agree, they need slapping.
[21:01] <mattt> but macs look cooler (like, seriously!)
[21:01] <Supermanintights> i've asked so many people to show me why OSX/Macs are so great - and so far, I won't understand because I don't have the "touchpad" and do the cool swipes/pinches
[21:01] <Supermanintights> alt+tab and i'm there...
[21:01] <monster2323> haha!
[21:01] <monster2323> it's a scam
[21:01] <mattt> Supermanintights: for me, it's a great no-fuss hardware/software combo
[21:02] <monster2323> you can have that with ubuntu or windows
[21:02] <Supermanintights> if the biggest selling point is touchpad/magnetic power socket... not worth the money for me
[21:02] <mattt> monster2323: disagree ... i love Linux on servers, but *personally* can't stand it on my desktop
[21:02] <monster2323> ubuntu?
[21:02] <monster2323> Ubuntu is dine
[21:02] <monster2323> fine*
[21:03] <Supermanintights> i've used mac for last month - and i've felt so limited, i've hated having to use a computer - feels like i'm hidden behind a protective wall (PRISON/NORTH KOREA)
[21:03] <monster2323> haha
[21:03] <mattt> Supermanintights: what did you try to do that you weren't able to?
[21:04] <Supermanintights> when i (disclaimer - not me, my friend) tried to download software from usenet - it rarely worked, and i've never had an issue with usenet before, subtitles with vlc stopped working - and didn't work on a friends mac either, when we tried on windows, it did work (subtitles on movies/tv shows)
[21:05] <Supermanintights> they're small, but enough to irritate me
[21:05]  * mattt blames VLC
[21:05] <Supermanintights> i don't like finder at all - windows explorer is FAR better in my experience, i don't feel comfortable just dragging stuff to applications and having it work - i want to know it's installed, and installed correctly
[21:05] <mattt> :P
[21:06] <Supermanintights> ha!  if it works on ubuntu/windows but not on mac - and it's a port of same software - i blame osx
[21:06] <mattt> Supermanintights: i would obviously prefer if OSX was more open, but for day to day use it's the best desktop for *me*
[21:06] <Supermanintights> all my friends swear by it
[21:06] <Supermanintights> "i made more money, and got laid more when i switched to mac"
[21:07] <mattt> hahaha
[21:07] <Supermanintights> i just don't see it
[21:07]  * mattt clearly isn't using the right version of OSX
[21:07]  * Supermanintights smirks
[21:09] <Supermanintights> right, think i've sorted partitions out - windows installing
[21:09] <Supermanintights> and i've pretty much killed the uk ubuntu channel by slagging off mac... way to go Jay...
[21:10] <monster2323> it's ok
[21:10] <Supermanintights> it's all pro ubuntu though - not that bad ;-)
[21:12] <Supermanintights> if i wanted to build a media pc - would people recommend ubuntu then running xbmc as an app, or installing xbmclive straight onto the machine?
[21:13] <monster2323> I've used the xbmclive
[21:13] <monster2323> I am bias in that regard
[21:13] <Supermanintights> :P
[21:13] <monster2323> haven't used the app
[21:13] <Supermanintights> i do want to use sabznbdplus to download my media (well not me, but "my friend" will)
[21:14] <Supermanintights> can live do that?
[21:29] <Supermanintights> are there any stats as to what % of windows/mac users that switch over don't switch back? or continue to use ubuntu once they've tried it?
[21:31] <jacobw> where would that data come from?
[21:31] <AlanBell> no, there is no real way to gather that kind of information
[21:31] <Azelphur> you could gather it, it'd just be difficult
[21:32] <Azelphur> you'd need to do a survey of a random pool large enough to gather reasonable percentages and then extrapolate
[21:32] <Azelphur> but even then it'd only be an estimate
[21:32] <jacobw> why would it useful?
[21:32] <Azelphur> it wouldn't
[21:32] <Azelphur> :D
[21:32] <jacobw> :)
[21:32] <Supermanintights> i'd find it interesting
[21:33] <Supermanintights> once people try ubuntu - how many actually stick with it, rather than go straight back to windows/osx comfort zone
[21:33] <popey> Supermanintights: fyi on OSX you can pretty easily see where a package installs files, much the same as you can on linux
[21:33] <AlanBell> yeah, would be interesting, but is it interesting enough to fund the (questionable) data capture
[21:34] <Supermanintights> so long as i'm not funding it, yeah, interesting enough :P
[21:34] <Azelphur> Just bought myself a new server :D
[21:34] <Supermanintights> that was me gettig into a rant popey :P
[21:35] <Azelphur> We ate the i7 I ordered a few months ago, got too small
[21:35] <Supermanintights> lol
[21:35] <Supermanintights> work or personal?
[21:35] <Azelphur> bit of both xD
[21:35] <Supermanintights> i like it
[21:35] <popey> arguably its exactly the right size, and you gave it too much work to do
[21:35] <Azelphur> I run a gaming community, hoping to turn it into a profitable venture :P
[21:36] <penguin42> Azelphur: How did the bitcount profitable venture go?
[21:36] <penguin42> bitcount->bitcoin
[21:36] <Azelphur> penguin42: fine, still profiting, hardware paid for itself ages ago.
[21:36] <penguin42> Azelphur: Cool!
[21:36] <Azelphur> bitcoin value is going up too, and I have loads of money stockpiled
[21:36] <Supermanintights> sweet - what community?
[21:37] <Azelphur> and I can do merged mining with namecoin too
[21:37] <Azelphur> so it's like, they heard I like making money so they let me make while making money and making money.
[21:37] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: http://game.azelphur.com
[21:37] <Supermanintights> im looking into creating the largest gaming LAN in the uk in the near future, so i'm interested in getting as much info on all gaming communities as possible
[21:38] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: a lot of my team are in the UK :)
[21:38] <Azelphur> although the majority of the players are in the US
[21:38] <Supermanintights> tf2 :P
[21:38] <Supermanintights> I used to play
[21:38] <Azelphur> and minecraft, although it's down at the moment
[21:38] <Supermanintights> although CSS was and always will be my game
[21:38] <Azelphur> and hopefully more now I have some hardware to throw at it
[21:39] <Supermanintights> sweet
[21:39] <Supermanintights> i've ran a couple of clans in past, but never branched out into a community
[21:39] <Supermanintights> which now i want to set up the lan - was probably a mistke
[21:39] <Azelphur> data center is designed for low latency / gaming too, pretty much everyone I've asked is seeing consistently lower latency compared to my current data center.
[21:40] <Azelphur> hehe
[21:40] <Supermanintights> i had a murky (hacking) past, so most of my bridges were burnt back in my playing days
[21:40] <aquarius> daubers, did you work out the image resizing thing?
[21:40] <Supermanintights> but i've been running numbers, and reckon we got the financial clout, and ability with my new business partners to pull off the biggest lan in the uk, fud it ourselves entirely, and turn in a brilliant profit
[21:40] <Supermanintights> *fund
[21:41] <Supermanintights> our biggest problem is working out server costs for the period - really hard to get a realistic estimate
[21:43] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: cool, I'm interested :p
[21:43] <Azelphur> although moving my rig to a LAN would probably be impossible
[21:43] <Azelphur> it's a bit big
[21:44] <Supermanintights> haha
[21:44] <Supermanintights> i've seen some stupid setups before when i've been to LANS
[21:44] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/Photos/August%202010/2010-08-21%2023.53.23.jpg
[21:44] <Azelphur> only add a bunch more stuff because that photos rather old now
[21:45] <Supermanintights> fml
[21:46] <Supermanintights> you know what
[21:46] <Supermanintights> i have lots of questions
[21:46] <Supermanintights> i'm going to ask none
[21:46] <Supermanintights> and say nice, i want one
[21:46] <Azelphur> haha
[21:46] <Supermanintights> and i TOTALLY get why you're the guy to ask for dualheading now
[21:48] <Azelphur> indeed :p
[21:49] <Supermanintights> i'd love to start down that route, but i'm not sure a proper desktop rig is worth it - i'm moving around too much with lappy, i'd never get much benefit from it
[21:51] <Azelphur> yea, if you move around they tend not to be :p
[21:53] <Supermanintights> hmm, i think i may have screwed up my install/partitions
[21:53] <Supermanintights> i'm uploading a photo now - this is just installing windows, with another parittion for ubuntu, and then unallocated which will be storage
[21:53] <Supermanintights> anyone ok to look at the photo check if i have/haven't screwed up?
[21:53] <Azelphur> you want to allocate the unallocated
[21:54] <Azelphur> I'm here *Wave*
[21:54] <jacobw> virtual desktop > multiple monitors
[21:54] <Azelphur> jacobw: virtual desktop + multiple monitors > all
[21:54] <Azelphur> 4 physical, 16 virtual :p
[21:54] <Supermanintights> http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/252/20111229215006.jpg/
[21:55] <Supermanintights> notepad+pen created civilisations and worlds - virtual desktops/monitors can suck it
[21:55] <jacobw> humans can't multitask
[21:55] <Supermanintights> i can masturbate and watch porn at the same time
[21:55] <Supermanintights> your statement is proven to be false
[21:55] <Azelphur> jacobw: I can.
[21:56] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: uhh, take out D: and leave it unallocated, then put the Ubuntu install CD in
[21:56] <Azelphur> in the Ubuntu installer, create a 30GB partition and set it to /
[21:56] <jacobw> you're not paying enough attention to one of those things :p
[21:57] <Azelphur> then create NTFS partition for the rest of it, and set it as /home
[21:57] <Supermanintights> ok
[21:57] <Supermanintights> lemme grab my ubuntu cd
[21:57] <Azelphur> jacobw: lies, I time share
[21:57] <Supermanintights> someone said something about wubi - is it better to ignore that for what i want to do?
[21:57] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: yep, ignore that.
[21:58] <Azelphur> now I have to go take a shower, unfortunately until I can get hold of a waterproof tablet case (Do they make them? That'd be awesome) can't multitask that one, brb :P
[21:58] <Supermanintights> actually
[21:58] <Supermanintights> Azelphur
[21:58] <Supermanintights> they do
[21:58] <Azelphur> awesome.
[21:58] <Supermanintights> my brother had a small one for his phone for xmas
[21:58] <jacobw> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95256794
[21:58] <Supermanintights> you can touch/make phone calls/anything under water
[22:01] <Supermanintights> :s
[22:01] <Supermanintights> i tell my laptop to boot from cd
[22:01] <Supermanintights> it boots from hdd into windows
[22:01] <jacobw> you tell your laptop to try booting from cd before booting from hdd
[22:02] <Supermanintights> permanently as a rule?
[22:02] <Supermanintights> or just for now/
[22:02] <jacobw> it cannot boot from the particular cd your are trying to boot from
[22:03] <jacobw> therefore it boots from hdd
[22:03] <Supermanintights> it was booting fine before - i've only just burnt the disc
[22:03] <Supermanintights> fml
[22:03] <jacobw> have you booted with the disc before?
[22:08] <jacobw> grosse pointe blank is a great film :)
[22:10] <jacobw> booting from usb is more sane
[22:20]  * Azelphur returns
[22:20] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: dunno if there's one that would fit my inspiron duo though :P
[22:21] <Supermanintights> back
[22:21] <Supermanintights> not booted with disc before, usb drive has stuff on it - and i've never booted from usb before
[22:21] <Supermanintights> plus usb is in an osx format - which i'd probably need linux to read it if at all
[22:22] <Supermanintights> i got a bad feeling my mac just copied the iso to the disc - rather than burn the image to the disk (if you get the distinction - terrible wording)
[22:23] <Azelphur> Supermanintights: you can use unetbootin to make bootable usbs
[22:23] <Supermanintights> it's configured on an osx filesystem - so i don't think windows would even read it
[22:23] <jacobw> parition the last ~1GB of your usb drive and create a bootable environment with unetbootin from the -desktop iso
[22:24] <Supermanintights> disk management?
[22:24] <jacobw> yes
[22:24] <Supermanintights> cool
[22:24] <jacobw> unetbootin runs on everything
[22:24] <Supermanintights> can linux read osx filesystem?
[22:25] <Supermanintights> so i can get my documents from it
[22:25] <jacobw> what filesystem is it?
[22:25] <Supermanintights> erm
[22:25] <Supermanintights> journaled extended?
[22:25] <jacobw> check
[22:25] <Supermanintights> i think
[22:26]  * jacobw thinks HFS
[22:26] <Supermanintights> that sounds right
[22:27] <Supermanintights> fml - hate vista, any one know where disk management is on vista/
[22:28] <jacobw> gparted
[22:28] <Supermanintights> on windows rememb
[22:28] <Supermanintights> remember
[22:29] <Supermanintights> my linux disc isn't booting
[22:29] <DJones> Is it not right click on My Computer and Manage? I thought it ws that since XP
[22:30] <Supermanintights> i want to kiss DJones
[22:30] <DJones> Steady tiger
[22:30] <Supermanintights> win7 i can type in disk management and it works, on vista it doesn't do that
[22:30] <Supermanintights> ;-)
[22:30] <jacobw> gparted release a live iso which is useful to have
[22:31] <Supermanintights> hmm, once i've got this all sorted - i'll look into it
[22:31] <Supermanintights> right now i got a laptop that has windows, no internet (need get drivers) and my mums laptop is crap
[22:31] <Supermanintights> i want to be back online on mine so i can do stuff faster
[22:32] <Supermanintights> i can't shrink my usb pen on diskmanagement
[22:32] <Supermanintights> doesn't recognise it
[22:32] <Supermanintights> fml
[22:32] <Supermanintights> i'll go grab another cd and download imgburn
[22:34] <jacobw> http://infrarecorder.org/
[22:34] <Supermanintights> better than imgburn?
[22:35] <Azelphur> either should be fine either
[22:35] <Azelphur> that sentence needed more either.
[22:35] <Supermanintights> lol
[22:35] <Supermanintights> i'll try this new one
[22:36] <Supermanintights> anyone know how to recover from the RAW file system without having to copy files to another hdd and then format?
[22:37] <Supermanintights> there's about 1.5tb to recover so i'm not fancying buying a new hdd to recover to
[22:37] <Supermanintights> (i have lots of questions, i'm fully aware of that, nor do I finish a task before going onto something else)
[22:39] <jacobw> i'm aware of raw as an image format, not as filesystem
[22:39] <Supermanintights> basically unformatted space
[22:39] <Supermanintights> my external decided to go from ntfs to raw randomly
[22:40] <jacobw> that isn't possible
[22:40] <Supermanintights> the information is still on there - i can recover on windows, but it'd mean forking out nearly £100 to get another 2tb harddrive - somehow i'd rather avoid it
[22:41] <Supermanintights> http://forums.techguy.org/hardware/619349-hard-drive-filesystem-changed-raw.html documented cases
[22:41] <Supermanintights> i've had two western digital harddrives, both decided to go to RAW randomly, the second one was bought to cover the original while i recovered
[22:44] <jacobw> are you using them with windows?
[22:44] <Supermanintights> was
[22:45] <Supermanintights> one of them (1tb) has videos now, the other is ntfs and just has most of my files from the last few years on there
[22:46] <Supermanintights> i'm hoping to have better success at reversing it with ubuntu/linux than the irritating recover/format/restore that i have to do with windows
[22:47] <Supermanintights> my feeling is - if it can go to RAW and keep everything, it can go back to NTFS
[22:47] <Supermanintights> it's not a confident feeling
[22:49] <jacobw> perhaps the ntfs is in a state that is unrecogisable as ntfs to windows
[22:49] <jacobw> in any case, boot ubuntu and see if you can mount the volume as access the files
[22:49] <Supermanintights> burning ubuntu now
[22:50] <jacobw> i very much doubt that ntfs has spontaneously disappeared
[22:50] <Supermanintights> i can't imagine it either
[22:50] <Supermanintights> but it happened twice - or appears to have happened twice
[22:51] <Supermanintights> last time - didn't know how to use linux, nor did i know about these channels for support - so i gave up and used software on windows
[22:51] <Supermanintights> now, i'm older and wiser. and have access to people smarter than me to tell me what to do
[22:54] <jacobw> dealing with filesystems from windows is difficult because it only recognises fat/ntfs and there's a lack of gparted
[22:54] <Supermanintights> ^^ yup
[22:56] <Supermanintights> ok
[22:56] <Supermanintights> restart time
[22:56] <Supermanintights> hopefully it works now
[22:56]  * Supermanintights whoops like a teenage girl
[22:58] <Supermanintights> looks frozen :S stuck on purple screen with the keyboard/accessibility logo at the bottom...  doesn't normally take this long i don't think :(
[22:59] <jacobw> wait a few minutes
[23:00] <Supermanintights> yeah, i'll just leave it, if it's like this for more than 5-10 minutes, then i'll try something else, but i'll give it a bit first
[23:04] <Supermanintights> =/
[23:05] <jacobw> is it doing anything?
[23:06] <Supermanintights> nope
[23:06] <Supermanintights> restart, try again?
[23:06] <Supermanintights> burn another copy?
[23:07] <jacobw> restart and do media check
[23:07] <Supermanintights> media check?
[23:08] <Supermanintights> not heard of that before?
[23:08] <leftcase> Hey there, anyone here using Ubuntu on a Macbook?
[23:09] <jacobw> its a boot option of the -desktop iso to verify the media
[23:09] <jacobw> i.e check for burn errors
[23:09] <Supermanintights> how can i do that?
[23:10] <jacobw> leftcase: many people do
[23:10] <jacobw> !macbook
[23:10] <DJones> Supermanintights: Also worth checking the md5sum of the downloaded iso before burning another copy
[23:10] <jacobw> !iso
[23:10] <jacobw> !burning
[23:10] <leftcase> jacobw: thanks
[23:10] <DJones> !md5 | Supermanintights This will verify that what has been downloaded is correct
[23:13] <jacobw> such sudden excitement for lubotu3 :)
[23:13] <Supermanintights> haha
[23:13] <Supermanintights> love it
[23:13] <Supermanintights> just trying md5 now
[23:14] <Supermanintights> all the same
[23:15] <Supermanintights> i'm more inclined to blame my laptop than anything else
[23:15] <jacobw> look up problems with the model
[23:16] <jacobw> there may be a simple kernel option that solves all problems
[23:16] <Supermanintights> i think it's more specific - i've had problems for a while, it's just generally been playing up - i've ran ubuntu before on this without problems
[23:16] <Supermanintights> i'll give it a restart, failing that i'll just try reburning it
[23:16] <jacobw> don't reburn without doing an md5 check, and check media before you try to boot to install again
[23:17] <Supermanintights> md5 is fine
[23:17] <DJones> I've had some laptops where the livecd wouldn't work, but I could use the alternate install cd which only uses a text based installer - That may be a last resort option
[23:24] <Supermanintights> do themes slow down ubuntu much?
[23:25] <sammmmmmm> Supermanintights: No
[23:25] <jacobw> effects will
[23:25] <jacobw> gtk themes shouldn't
[23:25] <sammmmmmm> Supermanintights: Just leave compositing disabled and it won't be slowed down
[23:26] <Supermanintights> what is compositing?
[23:26] <Supermanintights> i'm not remotely fussed - i was just curious, as normally i never touch the appearance - but if it didn't impact on performance i might play around a little
[23:27] <jacobw> unity requires compositing
[23:27] <penguin42> jacobw: Some of them can a little (depending on the speed of the machine) - e.g. constantly animating progress bars, shaded titles etc
[23:27] <sammmmmmm> Supermanintights: I mean Compiz/Beryl/Compiz Fusion/etc
[23:27] <Supermanintights> oh
[23:27] <sammmmmmm> jacobw: Can't it be run in 2D no compositing mode now?
[23:27] <jacobw> sammmmmmm: yes
[23:27] <jacobw> sammmmmmm: there's unity2d
[23:27] <sammmmmmm> jacobw: Then Unity doesn't require compositing
[23:27] <jacobw> unity does, unity2d doesn't
[23:27] <popey> not entirely true
[23:28] <popey> even unity 2d has compositing on by default
[23:31] <jacobw> :)
[23:33] <Supermanintights> crashing in ubuntu live cd bios now
[23:33] <Supermanintights> fml
[23:33] <Supermanintights> with second burn
[23:35] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Is there a reason your using a real CD - do you have a space USB thumb drive around?
[23:35] <Supermanintights> not that i can find offhand, although if this doens't load this time i may go hunting
[23:35] <jacobw> faulty cd drives cause odd problems
[23:35] <Supermanintights> the one i have is occupied with my files on, but it's formatted to the osx file system
[23:36] <Supermanintights> it's worked fine 10 minutes ago to install windows :s
[23:36] <palnj> Supermanintights: what ISP are you trying to burn?
[23:36] <palnj> *ISO
[23:36] <Supermanintights> ubuntu-11.10-desktop-amd64.iso
[23:36] <palnj> have you got a version of Ubuntu already installed?
[23:36] <Supermanintights> noooope
[23:37] <Supermanintights> just installed windows fresh, now i'm hoping to do ubuntu for a dualboot
[23:37] <palnj> ah, else I would suggest to just boot it from grub2 boot loader
[23:37] <Supermanintights> hmm, md5sum matches - so that's not the problem
[23:37] <palnj> right then...
[23:37] <Supermanintights> i'm not wasting a 3rd c
[23:37] <Supermanintights> d
[23:37] <Supermanintights> if i can help it
[23:37] <popey> Supermanintights: how does it crash out?
[23:37] <palnj> I've had a problem with that before
[23:38] <palnj> ISO file fine, burning process fine, for me it was the reader that was crappy
[23:38] <Supermanintights> there are 2 cd's - one gets to purple screen with keyboard/accessibility logo at the bottom, the other cd crashes after ISOLINUX on the post screen
[23:39] <Supermanintights> i waited 10 minutes on the purple screen, 4 on the isolinux post screen
[23:39] <jacobw> your cd drive is faulty
[23:39] <palnj> the one with the purple background, try pressing anything upon seeing that screen and tell me what you get
[23:39] <popey> is the computer 64-bit capable?
[23:39] <Supermanintights> nothing happened, yep computer is 64bit - just installed windows 64, and ran ubuntu 64 few versions back.  cd drive shouldn't be faulty - it's just worked to install windows less than 2 hours ago
[23:39] <palnj> jacobw: most likely it is, but I wouldn't say for definite
[23:40] <popey> I'd burn slower
[23:40] <popey> I wouldn't jump to blame the hardware yet
[23:40] <palnj> yeah always burn at the slowest speed possible
[23:40] <Supermanintights> that was what i tried on second burn - i'm using mums laptop to burn, i went for a slower burn speed, and it's doing worse than the original
[23:40] <palnj> I always say 1x even if it defaults to something else, which is usually 2.5x in my case
[23:41] <penguin42> the fact it's doing different makes me suspect the hardware - if it was the same I wouldn't
[23:41] <jacobw> 22:10 < jacobw> booting from usb is more sane
[23:41] <sammmmmmm> OMG my best friend keeps meeting up and having sex with girls I like instead of spending time with me. :(
[23:41] <palnj> but you want a quality burn, so be willing to take the time :D
[23:41] <jacobw> sammmmmmm: sucks to be him :p
[23:41] <Supermanintights> i'm not bothered about quality, so long as it works
[23:41] <penguin42> sammmmmmm: TMI
[23:41] <sammmmmmm> jacobw: What? I'm the one who it sucks to be, not him.
[23:41] <popey> sammmmmmm: seriously, every single time you come here you have to deviate the conversation like that
[23:42] <palnj> Supermanintights: then you'd better start worrying about quality, cause that's the only way it's going to work :P
[23:42] <Supermanintights> popey 1 - sammmmm 0?
[23:42] <popey> moving on
[23:42] <hamitron> evening \o/
[23:42] <popey> pip pip
[23:42] <palnj> hamitron: hey ;) hamitron
[23:42] <Supermanintights> are there any bios settings that would likely affect the running of the live cd?
[23:43]  * jacobw now remembers being trolled by that nick before
[23:43] <palnj> Supermanintights: probably not
[23:43] <palnj> I've never come across anything like that
[23:43] <Supermanintights> i did change a load to run a hackintosh
[23:43] <Supermanintights> hmm, ok
[23:43] <palnj> Supermanintights: haha tried that myself
[23:43] <jacobw> hackintosh is a special case
[23:43] <palnj> epic fail on reboot :P
[23:43] <Supermanintights> did you hate the experience palnj?
[23:44] <Supermanintights> i had to leave a bootcd in to run the hackintosh, other than that worked fine - just hated it beyond belief
[23:44] <hamitron> all a load of "tosh" if you ask me :/
[23:44] <palnj> not really  Supermanintights, just burnt iDeneb and booted from DVD
[23:44] <palnj> hamitron: yea
[23:44] <palnj> although boot 132 is the best way to go around doing that
[23:45] <palnj> uses an actual OS x disc
[23:45] <hamitron> all I need is Ubuntu 12.04
[23:45] <hamitron> ;)
[23:45] <Supermanintights> i did the multiboot by tony mac - did it fine with a downloaded osx disc/real osx disc
[23:45] <Supermanintights> just didn't like the actual osx os
[23:45] <palnj> hamitron: thean wait till April ;)
[23:45] <hamitron> I'm a patient guy, and shall wait till September
[23:45] <hamitron> :D
[23:46] <jacobw> hamitron lives in the past
[23:46] <palnj> Supermanintights: *gasp* how can you not like OS X?!?!
[23:46] <palnj> :P
[23:46] <hamitron> not got time for bugs
[23:46] <popey> yet here you are on irc
[23:46] <hamitron> jacobw, I am going wild looking at 12.04 ;)
[23:46] <palnj> hamitron: lol 12.10 will be in rc by then
[23:46] <jacobw> newer versions of things contain bug fixes
[23:47] <penguin42> and newer more interesting bugs....
[23:47] <popey> newer versions of things contain newer bugs
[23:47]  * penguin42 likes his bugs fresh and crispy
[23:47]  * Supermanintights thinks charles darwin would love computers
[23:47] <jacobw> more interesting bugs, who wants to have old bug when they can have new bugs?
[23:47] <hamitron> old bugs are generally easier to work around, because others have experienced them though
[23:47] <penguin42> hamitron: Yeh but much more frustrating
[23:47] <palnj> hamitron: true
[23:48] <palnj> I'd go with 10.04 tbh
[23:48] <penguin42> hamitron: I mean you spend 3 hours with gdb tracking down the bug to a missing ; only to find someone found it last week
[23:48]  * hamitron uses 10.04, 8.04 and lenny atm, for deb based distro
[23:49] <penguin42> hamitron: Can I ask why you still have an 8.04 (not a criticism - just wondering)
[23:49] <palnj> uses gnome 2, no hassle with wireless drivers 99.99% of the time, and unity/ gnome 3/ whatever can be installed harmlessly and easily :)
[23:49] <jacobw> no squeeze?
[23:49] <hamitron> penguin42, X.org 7.3 for graphics driver support
[23:49] <penguin42> hamitron: What card?
[23:50] <hamitron> nvidia geforce
[23:50] <palnj> penguin42: yes wondering the same here about 8.04
[23:50] <palnj> in slow ;D
[23:50] <hamitron> and tnt
[23:50] <hamitron> although, I am actually looking at major changes
[23:50] <penguin42> hamitron: Hmm I don't follow nvidia stuff, but yeh I heard they weren't supporting the new cards in the closed drivers
[23:50] <palnj> what do you guys think about designing a new desktop environment
[23:51] <palnj> something completely fresh and innovative?
[23:51] <Supermanintights> is 4x speed slow enough/
[23:51] <penguin42> palnj: Too many already - fix one of the ones out there
[23:51] <jacobw> i like gnome3 :|
[23:51] <palnj> Supermanintights: probably, but I'd go ASAP
[23:51] <Supermanintights> i can do slower, but i can't stay up all night, i've spent hours on this so far and got nowhere
[23:51]  * hamitron likes lxde
[23:51] <palnj> that's as SLOW as possible
[23:51] <DJones> hamitron: Major changes from nvidia geforce & tnt would an upgrade to steam power, I gave up on my geforce2 about 6 months ago
[23:52] <jacobw> i like gnome-shell and unity as well
[23:52] <Supermanintights> ok fine
[23:52] <Supermanintights> 1x speed
[23:52] <palnj> Supermanintights: I know what you mean, but I'm addicted to my pc
[23:52] <Supermanintights> if this takes longer than 30 minutes, i'm going to cry
[23:52] <penguin42> heck, 1x speed - yeh it'll take an hour
[23:52] <penguin42> well, 75 mins
[23:52] <Supermanintights> fml
[23:52] <palnj> Supermanintights: probs 15 tops to burn
[23:52] <hamitron> DJones, strange you should say that, I have a love for steam power
[23:52] <hamitron> :D
[23:53] <Supermanintights> hate you all, i gotta be up early tomorrow, and i was supposed to be quickly setting up a dualboot then going back to works
[23:53] <hamitron> I reckon I have a love for history, just never realised it
[23:53] <Supermanintights> you lot and your 1x burning speed... bah
[23:53] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Find yourself a USB stick
[23:53] <jacobw> did you do that media check?
[23:53] <jacobw> 22:10 < jacobw> booting from usb is more sane
[23:53] <Supermanintights> :(
[23:53]  * penguin42 wonders if jacobw has that on an f key
[23:54] <palnj> hamitron: what country is BG, EU?
[23:54] <palnj> Bulgaria?
[23:54] <Supermanintights> couldn't find out how to do media check, the md5sum was correct though
[23:54] <penguin42> Belgium?
[23:54] <hamitron> palnj, dunno
[23:54] <popey> Belgium is BE
[23:54] <palnj> hamitron: well irc says ur located there
[23:54] <popey> also, there is this thing called google
[23:54] <penguin42> it knows everything
[23:55] <popey> irc lies
[23:55] <palnj> then again it says im in Texas so no  penguin42 it does NOT know everything.
[23:55] <Supermanintights> the cake is a lie
[23:55] <palnj> Supermanintights: i like cake
[23:55] <hamitron> I thought I was .eu :/
[23:55] <Supermanintights> 40% complete
[23:55] <Supermanintights> :s
[23:55] <Supermanintights> not complaining, but that's going relatively quick for a 1x write
[23:56] <palnj> Supermanintights: portal is the only fps game I like cause it's a puzzle one
[23:56] <palnj> Supermanintights: told you 15 mins tips
[23:56] <palnj> *tops
[23:56] <Supermanintights> portal was great, spent hours on that game..  i loved other fps - mario, zelda, but portal was favourite pc fps
[23:57] <palnj> how are Mario and selfs fps games?
[23:57] <Supermanintights> wait
[23:57] <palnj> *zelda
[23:57] <palnj> I'm beginning to hate autocorrect
[23:57] <Supermanintights> how the monkey poo did i read fps as role playing games
[23:57] <Supermanintights> fml
[23:57] <jacobw> portal is not an fps
[23:57] <hamitron> !ltsp
[23:57] <palnj> Supermanintights: lol rpg
[23:57] <hamitron> !edubuntuhandbook
[23:57] <Supermanintights> fps is more like CSS
[23:58] <Supermanintights> ok, so what should i get for a midnight snakc while i sort all this stuff out
[23:58] <jacobw> cheesecake
[23:58] <palnj> jacobw: it is actually classified as one due to t waving in the first person and it involving you shooting stuff, even if the purpose of that shooting is solely tore ate an intestine spinal portal sho you can drop a companion cube on top of a turret saying its sorry
[23:59] <Supermanintights> don't think i have any
[23:59] <penguin42> Supermanintights: Chocolate cake
[23:59] <palnj> *due to being
[23:59] <Supermanintights> brb, going to raid fridges/freezer
[23:59] <AlanBell> christmas cake
[23:59] <jacobw> i now desire cheese cake :(
[23:59]  * penguin42 always desires chocolate cake
[23:59] <Supermanintights> it's a shame my car is offroad, or else i could drive to 24 hour tesco and buy cheesecake
[23:59] <palnj> *...of the shooting is solely to create an inter dimensional portal so you can