[00:04] <jrwren> not familiar with the L
[00:04] <jrwren> we have a 3700 at the office, I think.
[00:04] <jrwren> it is nice, but a little buggy
[00:04] <rick_h__> yea, I threw off netgeat long ago and never looked at them
[00:05] <rick_h__> so really out of touch, then again I tend to get a router every few years and don't pay attention anyway
[00:14] <jrwren> i've had this wrt54gl for a long time now.
[00:14] <jrwren> since wifi sucks, I have no intention of replacing it.
[00:14] <snap-l> Yeah, I lvove the WRT54GL
[00:16] <snap-l> The only reason that I'm thinking of upgrading is because I want gigabit ethernet and Wireless N
[00:18] <jrwren> i bought a trendnet GREEN gigabit switch.
[00:18] <jrwren> VERY low power. <3 it
[00:18] <jrwren> its basically free to have it on all the time.
[00:18] <jrwren> not like the router with wifi that costs about $5/mo in electricity
[00:50] <snap-l> Right, but I want to have both devices in one. :)
[01:16] <jrwren> yeah, i actually needed a hub at that particular physical location, different from where my wifi router is.
[01:19] <rick_h__> yea, separate switch ftw!
[01:19] <rick_h__> home based routers/switches like that don't have decent enough hardware to maintain good solid connections anyway
[01:21] <snap-l> Thing is, the only things wired are the printer and my desktop
[01:58] <jrwren> then why do you need gigabit?
[02:16] <snap-l> Because when I do hook up something else, I want the speed. ;)
[02:16] <snap-l> and I want my prints to be BLAZINGLY FAST
[12:33] <Wolfger> Morning.
[13:07] <snap-l> morning
[13:10] <brousch> you are correct
[13:11] <snap-l> Thank you.
[13:12] <brousch> no, thank you
[14:27] <rick_h__> morning
[14:29] <brousch> old news
[14:30] <rick_h__> yea yea...well got to sleep in until 8:30 today so I'm behind :)
[14:30] <Wolfger> :-p
[14:30] <snap-l> rick_h__: Nice. :)
[14:30] <snap-l> That's one thing that scares me about $NEWJOB
[14:31] <snap-l> I like sleep
[14:31] <rick_h__> snap-l: all good, John doesn't get in until after 9 usually
[14:31] <snap-l> hah
[14:31] <Wolfger> I got to sleep until... 1 AM? Then I got to toss and turn until 4:45. Then I gave up.
[14:31] <rick_h__> most the rest of us were 7-8am'ers
[14:31] <snap-l> Well, it's also because JoDee's got early classes this time around
[14:32] <snap-l> so it'll be competition for the bathroom
[14:32] <rick_h__> you can do it! win win win!
[14:32] <snap-l> heh
[14:33] <Wolfger> Oh fer crying out loud... I just found out my contract house no longer owns a fax. They use the fax machine of the business next door.
[14:34] <rick_h__> scanner + email?
[14:34] <brousch> wtf do you need a shower if you're working from home?
[14:34] <Wolfger> rick_h__: They headhunt tech people. They are not tech people themselves...
[14:35] <rick_h__> any of you guys read pandoras star?
[14:35] <Wolfger> I believe my contract house currently consists of the owner and a secretary. They aren't even open 5 days a week anymore. Times are tough.
[14:35] <snap-l> Wolfger: Which house?
[14:38] <Wolfger> rick_h__: Never read it, but it sounds very cool
[14:38] <Wolfger> snap-l: American Heritage
[14:39] <rick_h__> Wolfger: heh, just took a half hour off on a tagent for such a small point. Thinking this is going to be a "big" book
[14:39] <snap-l> Wolfger: Not familiar with them
[14:40] <snap-l> rick_h__: http://www.amazon.com/Pandoras-Star-Peter-F-Hamilton/product-reviews/0345461622/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R3NXP49QOOQY9W
[14:42] <rick_h__> oh crap...nothing is resolved in the book? You have to read part 2?
[14:42] <rick_h__> *sigh*
[14:43] <snap-l> That said, it sounds interesting
[15:15] <brousch> welcome to west MI! http://www.wzzm13.com/rss/article/191807/14/Cougar-attack-in-Allendale
[15:17] <mydogsname1srudy> loads up his gun and traps and heads south
[15:17] <Wolfger> *sigh* More sensationalized headlines... "cougar attack"... There's no mention of hot 40-something women in that article at all... ;-)
[15:17] <brousch> there is a 40-something woman in that article
[15:18] <Wolfger> There is?
[15:20] <brousch> she smokes so you know she's classy
[15:37] <snap-l> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=te8jt-jUkm8#! <- rick_h__
[15:37] <snap-l> The raspberry pi is supposed to be a cheap coputer for kids to program
[15:41] <rick_h__> snap-l: interesting I guess
[15:41] <snap-l> it can play quake 3
[15:58] <Wolfger> brousch: No mention of age. It's implied that she lives with her father, so I assumed she was young. But then, she also has kids...
[15:59] <brousch> there is a video :P
[16:00] <Wolfger> <-- no video at work
[16:04] <Wolfger> Wow. Somebody just left a comment (non-spam so far as I can tell) on my 3+ year old blog post about the OpenMoko Freerunner. I'd forgotten that phone even existed.
[16:04] <snap-l> http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity4755.html
[16:05] <snap-l> Wolfger: The spiritual predecessor to the Android platform
[16:05] <snap-l> or at least that's what folks would lead you to believe. ;)
[16:06] <Wolfger> which folks, other than yourself?
[16:06] <snap-l> I thought this came up before
[16:07] <snap-l> I said that the open moko was essentially doomed from the start
[16:08] <Wolfger> It's been over a year since I've heard anybody say anything about it, and it's not relevant enough for me to remember what anybody said about it for longer than that... :-p
[16:09] <snap-l> Man, I really want to know how it can go from 9:30 to 11:13 so quickly.
[16:10]  * Wolfger wonders how snap-l got 4 minutes into the future
[16:10] <Scott_firebeta> aliens
[16:10] <snap-l> Wolfger: Blame JoDee's clock in the other room
[16:10] <snap-l> It's on JST
[16:10] <Wolfger> heh
[16:10] <snap-l> (JoDee standard time)
[16:11] <Wolfger> I just can't believe it's the 21st century and we still have clocks that aren't auto-sync'd to a master....
[16:11] <snap-l> Don't get me started.
[16:12] <Wolfger> Clocks being off is such a 19th century problem (well, and most of the 20th as well)
[16:14] <Wolfger> In my utopian future, all timekeeping devices wirelessly sync to an atomic clock in UTC
[16:14] <Wolfger> and 11:13 will occur simultaneously for every person in the world
[16:15] <Wolfger> screw this time zone and daylight savings crap
[16:15] <nullspace> Wolfger, I think you can make that happen using a wireless router
[16:15] <Wolfger> and clocks that flash 12:00 until you set them
[16:16] <Wolfger> nullspace: I think you are using a different definition of "all"... Making this happen is far more a human issue than a tech issue.
[16:17] <Wolfger> of course, I could beat dissenters to death with the wireless router in question....
[16:17] <Wolfger> it would take time, but eventually that router would solve my issue.
[16:20] <nullspace> some one used a router and wired up a couple of 7 segment displays to the serial port.
[16:21] <nullspace> http://www.biffer.talktalk.net/sweex/clock/
[16:25] <Wolfger> It occurs to me that snow is ninja rain. You never hear it coming.
[18:08] <krondor> rick_h__:  how was chc?  It seems like even when I think I have time, fail.
[18:09] <rick_h__> krondor: heh, all good. Got a lot of good bookie work done
[18:10] <rick_h__> light night, but that's the holidays for ya
[18:11] <krondor> nice, yeah we had a datacenter outage so I was called back in, got back home at 6:00 am.
[18:12] <snap-l> Ugh, that's no good
[18:12] <rick_h__> ouch
[18:13] <krondor> yeah I won't get into the evil that is our power system (power surge blew a hole in our UPS system before going dark).
[18:13] <rick_h__> a 'hole'? nice
[18:13] <krondor> Hopefully someone with cash will take notice now and fix our crap
[18:14] <krondor> yeah a literal hole actually
[18:14] <brousch> yikes
[18:15] <snap-l> Yeah, you'd think someone would take notice of that
[18:17] <krondor> it's happened before, our UPS is homebuilt and pretty old.
[18:18] <krondor> I'm pretty sure the guy that designed the system has retired
[18:18] <krondor> makes the redundant generators kind of unecessary if your spof is behind them
[18:43] <snap-l> Heh
[18:51] <rick_h__> http://michaelcrump.net/11-things-every-software-developer-should-be-doing-in-2012
[18:51] <rick_h__> get out there devs
[18:55] <brousch> no
[18:59] <rick_h__> hot damn, stuff it starting to get close
[19:03] <brousch> eh?
[19:04] <brousch> your aneurysm?
[19:04] <rick_h__> https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/commits/feature/jsui
[19:04] <rick_h__> https://github.com/mitechie/Bookie/commit/86f4eb42de1d84883013082a0d6484cdc1bf1cd9
[19:05] <rick_h__> in particular
[19:05] <rick_h__> today is "daddy day" so I'm spending the afternoon hacking at the coffee shop
[19:05] <brousch> heh
[19:06] <brousch> i got a new camera. canon powershot s95
[19:07] <rick_h__> nice
[19:08] <brousch> it has some manual settings so hopefully i can learn a little more photography
[19:45] <greg-g> brousch: that is a nice camera, good choice
[19:45] <snap-l> Nothing like looking at people unsubscribe from a low-traffic mailing list after you post two messages.
[19:45] <brousch> snap-l: spammer
[19:45] <snap-l> Really, I don't have a complex. ;)
[19:46] <greg-g> snap-l: :) I've noticed that too
[19:46] <brousch> i find that i forget i'm such lists, and the emails remind me that i meant to unsubscribe
[19:46] <snap-l> It's like "seriously? Two messages in the past month broke you enough to unsubscribe?"
[19:46] <snap-l> brousch: Understood
[19:47] <snap-l> I just find it amusing
[19:47] <snap-l> I've done the same.
[20:17] <brousch> this camera has some cool features: fish-eye, miniature mode, RAW+JPEG, smile and wink detection, HDR
[20:19] <brousch> tracking autofocus
[20:25] <brousch> can fix red-eye right on the camera
[20:51] <_stink_> wink detection?
[20:51] <_stink_> to find creepy guys?
[20:52] <brousch> no, to trigger a photo when you're in it
[20:52] <brousch> you setup the camera, get in the photo, wink, then it takes a photo 2s later
[20:53] <brousch> it also has blink detection, which tells you if someone in the photo has their eyes closed
[20:53] <_stink_> holy crap
[20:53] <_stink_> nice
[20:53] <brousch> crazy stuff
[20:54] <snap-l> Also has googly eyes detection to see if your kids made faces at the camera
[20:55] <brousch> heh
[20:55] <krondor> so one of these things is not like the other; http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/13-weird-and-wonderful-niche-linux-distros-1046624
[20:57] <krondor> Not saying Gentoo isn't niche, but it has a huge market share compared with these other niche distros
[20:58] <brousch> oooh, ubuntu SE
[21:00] <krondor> if you put ubuntu SE and ubuntu CE people in the same room what happens?  You discover the Higgs?
[21:05] <brousch> if you dual boot them you destroy the earth
[21:50] <snap-l> I've always thought GNewSense should be pronounced "GNuisance"
[22:10] <snap-l> When did Best Buy's site start sucking?
[22:10] <snap-l> Seriously, can't tell the inventory of a store without going three levels deep