| astraljava | It would be nice if people could file bugs about such. How nice is it now trying to dig out the information afterwards? | 07:47 |
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| chemistree | dumb question: does ubuntu studio support web browsing as well as any other distro? | 16:55 |
| chemistree | such as firefox.... or is there some other linux based browser that will work under ubuntu studio? | 16:56 |
| astraljava | chemistree: I don't know whether we specifically support it. The browsers just work, unless there are problems with networking, of course. | 16:56 |
| chemistree | ... by "support it" do you mean web browsing on ubuntu studio is looked down upon? | 16:57 |
| astraljava | chemistree: Firefox is by default, as it is with Xubuntu. We're basing heavily on Xubuntu nowadays. | 16:57 |
| astraljava | chemistree: Not by any means. | 16:57 |
| chemistree | oh i see | 16:57 |
| chemistree | astraljava: are you running ubuntu studio right now? | 16:58 |
| chemistree | as we talk | 16:58 |
| astraljava | Yep. | 16:58 |
| chemistree | sweet, | 16:58 |
| chemistree | I have a netbook, 2gb ram, that should support ubuntu studio fine... right? as well as using say, inkscape, or Ardour 2 (one at a time of course) | 17:00 |
| chemistree | ? | 17:00 |
| * chemistree is flaunting ignorance | 17:00 | |
| astraljava | chemistree: If any other ubuntu runs on it fine, then it shouldn't be a problem for Studio either. | 17:01 |
| chemistree | right on | 17:02 |
| chemistree | astraljava: why do you use Ubuntu studio? | 17:03 |
| chemistree | ... are you one of the programers of the distro? | 17:03 |
| astraljava | chemistree: I'm one of the contributors, yes. | 17:03 |
| astraljava | I use it because I try to record my own stuff with it. | 17:04 |
| chemistree | like audio? | 17:04 |
| astraljava | Yep. | 17:04 |
| chemistree | if so, would you mind linking me to some examples of your work? | 17:05 |
| chemistree | I could do the same to some of my stuff too, if you like (although it is in primitive stages of production...) | 17:05 |
| astraljava | I don't have anything up at the moment. | 17:06 |
| chemistree | oh ok... well soundcloud is a good place if you ever want to put audio clips online... | 17:07 |
| astraljava | Yeah, I'll look around when I'm ready to publish anything. | 17:07 |
| chemistree | http://www.foldplop.com/ | 17:10 |
| chemistree | this individual has some interesting music. reminds me of Shpongle. a little more mellow overall | 17:10 |
| astraljava | Right. I'm a little more into the heavier side, actually. | 17:11 |
| chemistree | ?? such as... | 17:11 |
| astraljava | You can take a look at my last.fm page: http://last.fm/user/astraljava | 17:12 |
| chemistree | k | 17:12 |
| holstein | theres nothing about ubuntustudio you would really want/need on a netbook | 17:14 |
| holstein | though it wont hurt anything either | 17:14 |
| holstein | i run JACK on an early mininote HP 2133 | 17:15 |
| chemistree | I see, we have some musical overlaps: dreamTheater, porcupine tree, andymCkee | 17:15 |
| chemistree | what is JACK? | 17:15 |
| holstein | i use a firewire express card | 17:15 |
| holstein | i wouldnt, and dont edit the audio on the netbook | 17:15 |
| holstein | the internal sound card will be a bottleneck just like it will for any other device | 17:15 |
| chemistree | hmmm, thnks for your views | 17:15 |
| holstein | chemistree: for audio, if you dont need JACK, you really dont need ubuntustudio | 17:16 |
| holstein | you can always just add what you want to normal ubuntu | 17:16 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio = ubuntu | 17:16 |
| holstein | just customized | 17:16 |
| chemistree | holstein: so ubuntu would be the way to go... | 17:16 |
| holstein | chemistree: thats up to you and your needs | 17:16 |
| chemistree | ubuntu studio is just visually taylored towards editing audio and images? | 17:17 |
| holstein | im just stating facts right now, so you can make an informed decision | 17:17 |
| chemistree | nice | 17:17 |
| holstein | chemistree: its not so much visually | 17:17 |
| holstein | its different packages | 17:17 |
| holstein | its more packages, but not just that either | 17:17 |
| chemistree | well i just want to write code, upload my audio recordings and do minor edits/mix, create simple images and surf web | 17:18 |
| chemistree | lol | 17:18 |
| holstein | yup, thats stuff *any* linux can do, and both ubuntu and ubuntustudio will do those tasks very well | 17:18 |
| chemistree | kinda a lot, but I think if I limit myself to one major app at a time the the netbook should handle fine | 17:18 |
| holstein | and you are welcome to come here and ask questions regardless of what you decide | 17:19 |
| chemistree | nice... i guess I just need to see for myself which distro I like better... | 17:19 |
| chemistree | I kinda want to start with ubuntu studio, but only for aesthetic reasons, I guess | 17:20 |
| holstein | http://holstein.bandcamp.com/track/breath | 17:20 |
| holstein | chemistree: ubuntustudio 11.10 is actually pretty asthetically neutral | 17:20 |
| holstein | we had just went to XFCE | 17:20 |
| holstein | and have no real themeing in place | 17:20 |
| holstein | i personally am running ubuntu 10.04 on my studio machine with kxstudio PPA's added | 17:21 |
| holstein | i mostly run the LTS releases, though i install and test the others when time allows | 17:21 |
| chemistree | astraljava: more into heavy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mU05RmIKJI&feature=related | 17:21 |
| chemistree | djent | 17:22 |
| astraljava | Nice. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | Reminds a little of TesseracT. | 17:22 |
| astraljava | Which reminds me I need to rip that CD to the music library. | 17:23 |
| chemistree | astraljava: also see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVCpfTtHzzo | 17:24 |
| chemistree | =] | 17:24 |
| chemistree | I like your solo cello holstein | 17:24 |
| holstein | chemistree: thanks... its actually bass | 17:24 |
| chemistree | or is it double bass? | 17:24 |
| holstein | FOSS from beginning to end :) | 17:25 |
| chemistree | I think you would really appreciate: Christopher Roberts "Trio for deep voices" | 17:25 |
| chemistree | is that you playing the bass? | 17:25 |
| holstein | yup | 17:25 |
| chemistree | yeah, check out Christopher Roberts album, on Cold Blue records... | 17:26 |
| astraljava | Quite a Killswitch Engage feel to this one, very cool. | 17:26 |
| chemistree | FOSS? | 17:26 |
| astraljava | Free / Open Source Software. | 17:26 |
| ADD_nauseam | sup m8s | 17:27 |
| chemistree | yeah the bass player is a SLAP MACHINE!!!! | 17:27 |
| ADD_nauseam | whats a slap machine? | 17:27 |
| holstein | chemistree: that was recorded and produced in ubuntustudio | 17:27 |
| chemistree | ADD_nauseam: SLAP MACHINE: one who slaps the shit out of his electric bass. | 17:28 |
| chemistree | see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVCpfTtHzzo | 17:28 |
| ADD_nauseam | i get it :) | 17:28 |
| chemistree | heh | 17:28 |
| chemistree | anyway | 17:29 |
| chemistree | holstein: so "breath" was done in ubuntu studio? | 17:29 |
| chemistree | what program did you use for production? | 17:30 |
| holstein | chemistree: that particular project, 'living' was... from start to finish | 17:30 |
| holstein | chemistree: i tracked in ardour, and mixed there as well using JAMin during export for mastering | 17:30 |
| holstein | not much mixing envolved though | 17:30 |
| holstein | http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/spork12 is a project i mised in ubuntustudio | 17:31 |
| holstein | but it was tracked at the club in protools? i think it was PT | 17:31 |
| ADD_nauseam | a friend of mine tells me reall linux producers use AVlinux | 17:31 |
| holstein | ADD_nauseam: AVLinux runs great live | 17:32 |
| holstein | its based on an older version of debian, so you get older packages | 17:32 |
| holstein | not a deal breaker | 17:32 |
| ADD_nauseam | even better | 17:32 |
| holstein | its a great project, and the dev is very cool | 17:32 |
| holstein | i like the combo of ubuntustudio+KXstudio ppa's | 17:33 |
| holstein | TBH, it really doent matter | 17:34 |
| holstein | JACK is JACK, and ardour is ardour | 17:34 |
| holstein | the tools are open and common to all distros really | 17:34 |
| chemistree | I like the sound of this jazz... brass is smooth here. | 17:34 |
| holstein | its more about what you are comfortable with | 17:34 |
| holstein | chemistree: yeah, a few of those guys moved here recently | 17:34 |
| holstein | they are on tour a lot, but when they are around we play out as much as possible | 17:35 |
| chemistree | you on east coast? | 17:35 |
| holstein | northcarolina | 17:35 |
| holstein | i gotta run though... welcome to the channel chemistree & ADD_nauseam | 17:36 |
| ADD_nauseam | im on the west coast of EU :) | 17:36 |
| chemistree | thnks | 17:36 |
| holstein | if its too slow in here try #opensourcemusicians | 17:36 |
| chemistree | does ubuntu studio come with audio and graphics apps? | 17:36 |
| chemistree | such as ardour and gimp and inscape? | 17:36 |
| ADD_nauseam | i used to use satanic ubuntu | 17:37 |
| chemistree | inkscape** | 17:37 |
| ADD_nauseam | but its seems its been discontinued | 17:37 |
| chemistree | what do you use now? | 17:37 |
| ADD_nauseam | windows7 | 17:37 |
| chemistree | are you looking to switch to linux distro? | 17:37 |
| chemistree | or dual boot? | 17:38 |
| ADD_nauseam | i have fedora | 17:38 |
| ADD_nauseam | but its sucks | 17:38 |
| ADD_nauseam | ive never seen a comecial backed distro so bad | 17:38 |
| ADD_nauseam | maybe its just gnome 3 | 17:39 |
| ADD_nauseam | i ad to install kde on top of it but now i get suplicated apps in the menus and what not | 17:40 |
| ADD_nauseam | kde 4 also sucks | 17:40 |
| falktx_ | kde4 does not suck if you how to handle it | 18:08 |
| falktx_ | kde4 is a beast yes, but we can control it | 18:08 |
| chemistree | does ubuntu studio come with ardour2, Gimp, and inkscape installed? | 18:15 |
| astraljava | Yes it does. | 18:25 |
| ADD_nauseam | kde3 was alot better if you dont mind the bugs | 18:30 |
| astraljava | I never liked it much. It always looked a little outdated, even several years before the switch to KDE4. | 18:33 |
| chemistree | astarljava: ubuntu studio is geared towards visual and audio arts in that all the programs come preinstalled? | 18:57 |
| chemistree | astarljava: | 18:57 |
| chemistree | astraljava: double typo | 18:57 |
| rlameiro | well, not all | 18:58 |
| rlameiro | as far as the last releases, you have an optiont to select packages with a set of software | 18:59 |
| rlameiro | Video, audio, graphics | 18:59 |
| rlameiro | depending on your preference | 18:59 |
| astraljava | chemistree: Almost correct. We're wanting to choose the "best apps" by default. But your definition may vary, obviously. | 19:01 |
| astraljava | Everything _can_ be installed later, of course. | 19:01 |
| chemistree | so is that all that sets Ustudio apart from Ubuntu? relevent apps are chosen for the user? | 19:03 |
| astraljava | Pretty much. Some themeing and small tweaks, like back in the day we would have -rt kernel instead of -generic etc. | 19:04 |
| holstein | chemistree: think of it less like 'ubuntustudio is preinstalled with x' | 19:04 |
| holstein | its really just customized ubuntu | 19:05 |
| chemistree | is there a text editor? | 19:05 |
| chemistree | ah | 19:05 |
| astraljava | holstein: Same thing, really. | 19:05 |
| holstein | based on what can be included due to licenses | 19:05 |
| holstein | and what the dev team chooses to install, and include | 19:05 |
| holstein | astraljava: pretty much the same idea | 19:06 |
| holstein | chemistree: we are going to something called 'workflows' | 19:06 |
| holstein | you would get the packages installed to do podcasting for example by just clicking that icon or whatever | 19:06 |
| holstein | chemistree: what is going to set ubuntustudio ubuntu apart is the community | 19:07 |
| holstein | ubuntustudio & ubuntu ^ | 19:08 |
| holstein | chemistree: there are lots of text editors available in the repositories, which are the same ones as main ubuntu | 19:09 |
| chemistree | so community sets them apart... ubuntu seems to have a much larger community | 19:12 |
| chemistree | more users | 19:12 |
| astraljava | chemistree: Yes, that you must understand, Ubuntu Studio is based on Ubuntu, uses the same repositories and thus has everything accessible as the other *buntus do. | 19:12 |
| astraljava | chemistree: However, our user base is much more limited. | 19:12 |
| chemistree | user base? meaning people you can talk to who are using Ustudio? | 19:13 |
| chemistree | Ubuntu studio .org home page is just so damn appealing though! | 19:15 |
| chemistree | :] | 19:15 |
| holstein | chemistree: go for it.. you literally dont have to decide now | 19:16 |
| holstein | you can install it, and revert to *any* other buntu | 19:16 |
| holstein | or install main ubuntu and upgrade | 19:16 |
| holstein | or switch to xubuntu... or run lubuntu and add some of the ubuntustudio packages | 19:16 |
| chemistree | lots of options... so in about a week I will be installing a linux distro on my netbook, So I suppose then I will be looking for some support on installing and running linux | 19:19 |
| chemistree | first timer here installing a distro | 19:19 |
| astraljava | You can always ask here, and on #ubuntu, for help. | 19:20 |
| chemistree | yeah, that will probably happen | 19:20 |
| chemistree | thnks | 19:20 |
| chemistree | :) | 19:20 |
| chemistree | Until next time | 19:21 |
| chemistree | i'm out | 19:21 |
| holstein | heres 2 tips... | 19:21 |
| chemistree | ok | 19:21 |
| holstein | run it live *before* you install | 19:21 |
| chemistree | hmm | 19:21 |
| holstein | and ask *before* you click and break something ;) | 19:21 |
| holstein | if at all possible | 19:21 |
| chemistree | ok I'll be careful | 19:22 |
| holstein | the ubuntustudio iso is not a live iso as of now, but i still think it is worth the effort to run main ubuntu live or xubuntu to see how the hardware support is | 19:22 |
| holstein | then, you can install ubuntustudio as you please, and confidently | 19:22 |
| holstein | either knowing everything will just work, or having an idea of how to get support | 19:22 |
| chemistree | I will have to look into how to run ubuntu live. thanks for the heads up. | 19:22 |
| holstein | chemistree: when you make the normal ubuntu cd, or xubuntu, its an option when you boot the cd | 19:23 |
| holstein | "run live without any changes" | 19:23 |
| chemistree | oh | 19:23 |
| chemistree | what about if I just download ubuntu and run it from harddrive? | 19:23 |
| holstein | you can literally do whatever you want | 19:24 |
| holstein | but thats not trivial | 19:24 |
| holstein | you can do a wubi install inside windows... i did for a while on my studio machine years ago | 19:24 |
| holstein | its not ideal | 19:24 |
| holstein | ideal is to dual boot, or just install linux on the entire drive | 19:25 |
| chemistree | well, how would I get ubutu on a disk without downloading first? yeah, dual boot is what I want | 19:25 |
| holstein | chemistree: with FOSS and linux, its not so much "can" you do it... its more about how, and if you want to go through the trouble | 19:25 |
| holstein | in theory, its all open, and anything is possible | 19:25 |
| holstein | but there are hardware limitations and things that are just not practical | 19:26 |
| holstein | 20:23 < chemistree> what about if I just download ubuntu and run it from harddrive? | 19:26 |
| holstein | ^^ to me, that means you download the image, and click and run ubuntu | 19:26 |
| holstein | that can only happen (easily) with wubi | 19:26 |
| holstein | or virtualizing linux | 19:27 |
| chemistree | so the alternative to wubi is to download -> burn to disk -> run live from disk | 19:28 |
| holstein | chemistree: ubuntustudio can not be run live | 19:28 |
| chemistree | yeah, but Ubuntu can | 19:29 |
| holstein | you can run the normal ubuntu (and most of the other ones) live from CD or USB or whatever | 19:29 |
| chemistree | ok | 19:29 |
| chemistree | so I can just download ubuntu (normal) to my 2 gig jump drive, and run it live from that? sounds like a good place to start | 19:30 |
| holstein | chemistree: yup.. thats a great way to 'kick the tires'.. that or xubuntu since ubuntustudio is XFCE as well | 19:31 |
| astraljava | chemistree: You will have to use USB stick creator, or unetbootin to make it bootable, though. | 19:31 |
| holstein | yeah, or you can dd copy them now | 19:31 |
| astraljava | Oh okay, yeah. | 19:32 |
| holstein | astraljava: 11.10? and above? | 19:32 |
| astraljava | holstein: I forget which one was the breaker, but after a certain release you had to use the same or later release with USB creator. unetbootin should work for all. | 19:33 |
| astraljava | holstein: Never used dd, but I figure it should work just fine. | 19:33 |
| chemistree | holstein: "dd copy them now"? | 19:33 |
| astraljava | Well, at last I feel pride for sharing the nationality with a dude: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=608395 | 19:37 |
| holstein | astraljava: i tested it whever it was | 19:37 |
| holstein | worked great :) | 19:37 |
| astraljava | Good to know. | 19:37 |
| holstein | chemistree: you can... that'll give you a bootable USB stick | 19:38 |
| holstein | its not trivial.. dd is also known as "disk destroyer" | 19:38 |
| astraljava | Heheh. | 19:41 |
| chemistree | "its not trivial" meaning: it IS of importance. so the USB stick creator method will side step the 'non-trivial' "disk destroyer" route? | 19:48 |
| holstein | chemistree: i mean its not something you want to take lightly | 19:49 |
| holstein | if you say 'sudo dd erase all my important data from my actual hard drive'... it will | 19:49 |
| chemistree | downloading onto a jump drive and running live from that is much much more trivial then... | 19:50 |
| chemistree | sounds like that is the safest possible action to take | 19:50 |
| holstein | chemistree: you should back up everything | 19:51 |
| holstein | and no how to revert | 19:51 |
| holstein | thats the safest possible action | 19:51 |
| holstein | then, you literally cant break anything | 19:51 |
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