[07:47] It would be nice if people could file bugs about such. How nice is it now trying to dig out the information afterwards? [16:55] dumb question: does ubuntu studio support web browsing as well as any other distro? [16:56] such as firefox.... or is there some other linux based browser that will work under ubuntu studio? [16:56] chemistree: I don't know whether we specifically support it. The browsers just work, unless there are problems with networking, of course. [16:57] ... by "support it" do you mean web browsing on ubuntu studio is looked down upon? [16:57] chemistree: Firefox is by default, as it is with Xubuntu. We're basing heavily on Xubuntu nowadays. [16:57] chemistree: Not by any means. [16:57] oh i see [16:58] astraljava: are you running ubuntu studio right now? [16:58] as we talk [16:58] Yep. [16:58] sweet, [17:00] I have a netbook, 2gb ram, that should support ubuntu studio fine... right? as well as using say, inkscape, or Ardour 2 (one at a time of course) [17:00] ? [17:00] * chemistree is flaunting ignorance [17:01] chemistree: If any other ubuntu runs on it fine, then it shouldn't be a problem for Studio either. [17:02] right on [17:03] astraljava: why do you use Ubuntu studio? [17:03] ... are you one of the programers of the distro? [17:03] chemistree: I'm one of the contributors, yes. [17:04] I use it because I try to record my own stuff with it. [17:04] like audio? [17:04] Yep. [17:05] if so, would you mind linking me to some examples of your work? [17:05] I could do the same to some of my stuff too, if you like (although it is in primitive stages of production...) [17:06] I don't have anything up at the moment. [17:07] oh ok... well soundcloud is a good place if you ever want to put audio clips online... [17:07] Yeah, I'll look around when I'm ready to publish anything. [17:10] http://www.foldplop.com/ [17:10] this individual has some interesting music. reminds me of Shpongle. a little more mellow overall [17:11] Right. I'm a little more into the heavier side, actually. [17:11] ?? such as... [17:12] You can take a look at my last.fm page: http://last.fm/user/astraljava [17:12] k [17:14] theres nothing about ubuntustudio you would really want/need on a netbook [17:14] though it wont hurt anything either [17:15] i run JACK on an early mininote HP 2133 [17:15] I see, we have some musical overlaps: dreamTheater, porcupine tree, andymCkee [17:15] what is JACK? [17:15] i use a firewire express card [17:15] i wouldnt, and dont edit the audio on the netbook [17:15] the internal sound card will be a bottleneck just like it will for any other device [17:15] hmmm, thnks for your views [17:16] chemistree: for audio, if you dont need JACK, you really dont need ubuntustudio [17:16] you can always just add what you want to normal ubuntu [17:16] ubuntustudio = ubuntu [17:16] just customized [17:16] holstein: so ubuntu would be the way to go... [17:16] chemistree: thats up to you and your needs [17:17] ubuntu studio is just visually taylored towards editing audio and images? [17:17] im just stating facts right now, so you can make an informed decision [17:17] nice [17:17] chemistree: its not so much visually [17:17] its different packages [17:17] its more packages, but not just that either [17:18] well i just want to write code, upload my audio recordings and do minor edits/mix, create simple images and surf web [17:18] lol [17:18] yup, thats stuff *any* linux can do, and both ubuntu and ubuntustudio will do those tasks very well [17:18] kinda a lot, but I think if I limit myself to one major app at a time the the netbook should handle fine [17:19] and you are welcome to come here and ask questions regardless of what you decide [17:19] nice... i guess I just need to see for myself which distro I like better... [17:20] I kinda want to start with ubuntu studio, but only for aesthetic reasons, I guess [17:20] http://holstein.bandcamp.com/track/breath [17:20] chemistree: ubuntustudio 11.10 is actually pretty asthetically neutral [17:20] we had just went to XFCE [17:20] and have no real themeing in place [17:21] i personally am running ubuntu 10.04 on my studio machine with kxstudio PPA's added [17:21] i mostly run the LTS releases, though i install and test the others when time allows [17:21] astraljava: more into heavy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mU05RmIKJI&feature=related [17:22] djent [17:22] Nice. [17:22] Reminds a little of TesseracT. [17:23] Which reminds me I need to rip that CD to the music library. [17:24] astraljava: also see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVCpfTtHzzo [17:24] =] [17:24] I like your solo cello holstein [17:24] chemistree: thanks... its actually bass [17:24] or is it double bass? [17:25] FOSS from beginning to end :) [17:25] I think you would really appreciate: Christopher Roberts "Trio for deep voices" [17:25] is that you playing the bass? [17:25] yup [17:26] yeah, check out Christopher Roberts album, on Cold Blue records... [17:26] Quite a Killswitch Engage feel to this one, very cool. [17:26] FOSS? [17:26] Free / Open Source Software. [17:27] sup m8s [17:27] yeah the bass player is a SLAP MACHINE!!!! [17:27] whats a slap machine? [17:27] chemistree: that was recorded and produced in ubuntustudio [17:28] ADD_nauseam: SLAP MACHINE: one who slaps the shit out of his electric bass. [17:28] see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVCpfTtHzzo [17:28] i get it :) [17:28] heh [17:29] anyway [17:29] holstein: so "breath" was done in ubuntu studio? [17:30] what program did you use for production? [17:30] chemistree: that particular project, 'living' was... from start to finish [17:30] chemistree: i tracked in ardour, and mixed there as well using JAMin during export for mastering [17:30] not much mixing envolved though [17:31] http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/spork12 is a project i mised in ubuntustudio [17:31] but it was tracked at the club in protools? i think it was PT [17:31] a friend of mine tells me reall linux producers use AVlinux [17:32] ADD_nauseam: AVLinux runs great live [17:32] its based on an older version of debian, so you get older packages [17:32] not a deal breaker [17:32] even better [17:32] its a great project, and the dev is very cool [17:33] i like the combo of ubuntustudio+KXstudio ppa's [17:34] TBH, it really doent matter [17:34] JACK is JACK, and ardour is ardour [17:34] the tools are open and common to all distros really [17:34] I like the sound of this jazz... brass is smooth here. [17:34] its more about what you are comfortable with [17:34] chemistree: yeah, a few of those guys moved here recently [17:35] they are on tour a lot, but when they are around we play out as much as possible [17:35] you on east coast? [17:35] northcarolina [17:36] i gotta run though... welcome to the channel chemistree & ADD_nauseam [17:36] im on the west coast of EU :) [17:36] thnks [17:36] if its too slow in here try #opensourcemusicians [17:36] does ubuntu studio come with audio and graphics apps? [17:36] such as ardour and gimp and inscape? [17:37] i used to use satanic ubuntu [17:37] inkscape** [17:37] but its seems its been discontinued [17:37] what do you use now? [17:37] windows7 [17:37] are you looking to switch to linux distro? [17:38] or dual boot? [17:38] i have fedora [17:38] but its sucks [17:38] ive never seen a comecial backed distro so bad [17:39] maybe its just gnome 3 [17:40] i ad to install kde on top of it but now i get suplicated apps in the menus and what not [17:40] kde 4 also sucks [18:08] kde4 does not suck if you how to handle it [18:08] kde4 is a beast yes, but we can control it [18:15] does ubuntu studio come with ardour2, Gimp, and inkscape installed? [18:25] Yes it does. [18:30] kde3 was alot better if you dont mind the bugs [18:33] I never liked it much. It always looked a little outdated, even several years before the switch to KDE4. [18:57] astarljava: ubuntu studio is geared towards visual and audio arts in that all the programs come preinstalled? [18:57] astarljava: [18:57] astraljava: double typo [18:58] well, not all [18:59] as far as the last releases, you have an optiont to select packages with a set of software [18:59] Video, audio, graphics [18:59] depending on your preference [19:01] chemistree: Almost correct. We're wanting to choose the "best apps" by default. But your definition may vary, obviously. [19:01] Everything _can_ be installed later, of course. [19:03] so is that all that sets Ustudio apart from Ubuntu? relevent apps are chosen for the user? [19:04] Pretty much. Some themeing and small tweaks, like back in the day we would have -rt kernel instead of -generic etc. [19:04] chemistree: think of it less like 'ubuntustudio is preinstalled with x' [19:05] its really just customized ubuntu [19:05] is there a text editor? [19:05] ah [19:05] holstein: Same thing, really. [19:05] based on what can be included due to licenses [19:05] and what the dev team chooses to install, and include [19:06] astraljava: pretty much the same idea [19:06] chemistree: we are going to something called 'workflows' [19:06] you would get the packages installed to do podcasting for example by just clicking that icon or whatever [19:07] chemistree: what is going to set ubuntustudio ubuntu apart is the community [19:08] ubuntustudio & ubuntu ^ [19:09] chemistree: there are lots of text editors available in the repositories, which are the same ones as main ubuntu [19:12] so community sets them apart... ubuntu seems to have a much larger community [19:12] more users [19:12] chemistree: Yes, that you must understand, Ubuntu Studio is based on Ubuntu, uses the same repositories and thus has everything accessible as the other *buntus do. [19:12] chemistree: However, our user base is much more limited. [19:13] user base? meaning people you can talk to who are using Ustudio? [19:15] Ubuntu studio .org home page is just so damn appealing though! [19:15] :] [19:16] chemistree: go for it.. you literally dont have to decide now [19:16] you can install it, and revert to *any* other buntu [19:16] or install main ubuntu and upgrade [19:16] or switch to xubuntu... or run lubuntu and add some of the ubuntustudio packages [19:19] lots of options... so in about a week I will be installing a linux distro on my netbook, So I suppose then I will be looking for some support on installing and running linux [19:19] first timer here installing a distro [19:20] You can always ask here, and on #ubuntu, for help. [19:20] yeah, that will probably happen [19:20] thnks [19:20] :) [19:21] Until next time [19:21] i'm out [19:21] heres 2 tips... [19:21] ok [19:21] run it live *before* you install [19:21] hmm [19:21] and ask *before* you click and break something ;) [19:21] if at all possible [19:22] ok I'll be careful [19:22] the ubuntustudio iso is not a live iso as of now, but i still think it is worth the effort to run main ubuntu live or xubuntu to see how the hardware support is [19:22] then, you can install ubuntustudio as you please, and confidently [19:22] either knowing everything will just work, or having an idea of how to get support [19:22] I will have to look into how to run ubuntu live. thanks for the heads up. [19:23] chemistree: when you make the normal ubuntu cd, or xubuntu, its an option when you boot the cd [19:23] "run live without any changes" [19:23] oh [19:23] what about if I just download ubuntu and run it from harddrive? [19:24] you can literally do whatever you want [19:24] but thats not trivial [19:24] you can do a wubi install inside windows... i did for a while on my studio machine years ago [19:24] its not ideal [19:25] ideal is to dual boot, or just install linux on the entire drive [19:25] well, how would I get ubutu on a disk without downloading first? yeah, dual boot is what I want [19:25] chemistree: with FOSS and linux, its not so much "can" you do it... its more about how, and if you want to go through the trouble [19:25] in theory, its all open, and anything is possible [19:26] but there are hardware limitations and things that are just not practical [19:26] 20:23 < chemistree> what about if I just download ubuntu and run it from harddrive? [19:26] ^^ to me, that means you download the image, and click and run ubuntu [19:26] that can only happen (easily) with wubi [19:27] or virtualizing linux [19:28] so the alternative to wubi is to download -> burn to disk -> run live from disk [19:28] chemistree: ubuntustudio can not be run live [19:29] yeah, but Ubuntu can [19:29] you can run the normal ubuntu (and most of the other ones) live from CD or USB or whatever [19:29] ok [19:30] so I can just download ubuntu (normal) to my 2 gig jump drive, and run it live from that? sounds like a good place to start [19:31] chemistree: yup.. thats a great way to 'kick the tires'.. that or xubuntu since ubuntustudio is XFCE as well [19:31] chemistree: You will have to use USB stick creator, or unetbootin to make it bootable, though. [19:31] yeah, or you can dd copy them now [19:32] Oh okay, yeah. [19:32] astraljava: 11.10? and above? [19:33] holstein: I forget which one was the breaker, but after a certain release you had to use the same or later release with USB creator. unetbootin should work for all. [19:33] holstein: Never used dd, but I figure it should work just fine. [19:33] holstein: "dd copy them now"? [19:37] Well, at last I feel pride for sharing the nationality with a dude: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=608395 [19:37] astraljava: i tested it whever it was [19:37] worked great :) [19:37] Good to know. [19:38] chemistree: you can... that'll give you a bootable USB stick [19:38] its not trivial.. dd is also known as "disk destroyer" [19:41] Heheh. [19:48] "its not trivial" meaning: it IS of importance. so the USB stick creator method will side step the 'non-trivial' "disk destroyer" route? [19:49] chemistree: i mean its not something you want to take lightly [19:49] if you say 'sudo dd erase all my important data from my actual hard drive'... it will [19:50] downloading onto a jump drive and running live from that is much much more trivial then... [19:50] sounds like that is the safest possible action to take [19:51] chemistree: you should back up everything [19:51] and no how to revert [19:51] thats the safest possible action [19:51] then, you literally cant break anything