[07:47] <astraljava> It would be nice if people could file bugs about such. How nice is it now trying to dig out the information afterwards?
[16:55] <chemistree> dumb question: does ubuntu studio  support web browsing as well as any other distro?
[16:56] <chemistree> such as firefox.... or is there some other linux based browser that will work under ubuntu studio?
[16:56] <astraljava> chemistree: I don't know whether we specifically support it. The browsers just work, unless there are problems with networking, of course.
[16:57] <chemistree> ... by "support it" do you mean web browsing on ubuntu studio is looked down upon?
[16:57] <astraljava> chemistree: Firefox is by default, as it is with Xubuntu. We're basing heavily on Xubuntu nowadays.
[16:57] <astraljava> chemistree: Not by any means.
[16:57] <chemistree> oh i see
[16:58] <chemistree> astraljava: are you running ubuntu studio right now?
[16:58] <chemistree> as we talk
[16:58] <astraljava> Yep.
[16:58] <chemistree> sweet,
[17:00] <chemistree> I have a netbook, 2gb ram, that should support ubuntu studio fine... right? as well as using say, inkscape, or Ardour 2 (one at a time of course)
[17:00] <chemistree> ?
[17:00]  * chemistree is flaunting ignorance
[17:01] <astraljava> chemistree: If any other ubuntu runs on it fine, then it shouldn't be a problem for Studio either.
[17:02] <chemistree> right on
[17:03] <chemistree> astraljava: why do you use Ubuntu studio?
[17:03] <chemistree> ... are you one of the programers of the distro?
[17:03] <astraljava> chemistree: I'm one of the contributors, yes.
[17:04] <astraljava> I use it because I try to record my own stuff with it.
[17:04] <chemistree> like audio?
[17:04] <astraljava> Yep.
[17:05] <chemistree> if so, would you mind linking me to some examples of your work?
[17:05] <chemistree> I could do the same to some of my stuff too, if you like (although it is in primitive stages of production...)
[17:06] <astraljava> I don't have anything up at the moment.
[17:07] <chemistree> oh ok... well soundcloud is a good place if you ever want to put audio clips online...
[17:07] <astraljava> Yeah, I'll look around when I'm ready to publish anything.
[17:10] <chemistree> http://www.foldplop.com/
[17:10] <chemistree> this individual has some interesting music. reminds me of Shpongle. a little more mellow overall
[17:11] <astraljava> Right. I'm a little more into the heavier side, actually.
[17:11] <chemistree> ?? such as...
[17:12] <astraljava> You can take a look at my last.fm page: http://last.fm/user/astraljava
[17:12] <chemistree> k
[17:14] <holstein> theres nothing about ubuntustudio you would really want/need on a netbook
[17:14] <holstein> though it wont hurt anything either
[17:15] <holstein> i run JACK on an early mininote HP 2133
[17:15] <chemistree> I see, we have some musical overlaps: dreamTheater, porcupine tree, andymCkee
[17:15] <chemistree> what is JACK?
[17:15] <holstein> i use a firewire express card
[17:15] <holstein> i wouldnt, and dont edit the audio on the netbook
[17:15] <holstein> the internal sound card will be a bottleneck just like it will for any other device
[17:15] <chemistree> hmmm, thnks for your views
[17:16] <holstein> chemistree: for audio, if you dont need JACK, you really dont need ubuntustudio
[17:16] <holstein> you can always just add what you want to normal ubuntu
[17:16] <holstein> ubuntustudio = ubuntu
[17:16] <holstein> just customized
[17:16] <chemistree> holstein: so ubuntu would be the way to go...
[17:16] <holstein> chemistree: thats up to you and your needs
[17:17] <chemistree> ubuntu studio is just visually taylored towards editing audio and images?
[17:17] <holstein> im just stating facts right now, so you can make an informed decision
[17:17] <chemistree> nice
[17:17] <holstein> chemistree: its not so much visually
[17:17] <holstein> its different packages
[17:17] <holstein> its more packages, but not just that either
[17:18] <chemistree> well i just want to write code, upload my audio recordings and do minor edits/mix, create simple images and surf web
[17:18] <chemistree> lol
[17:18] <holstein> yup, thats stuff *any* linux can do, and both ubuntu and ubuntustudio will do those tasks very well
[17:18] <chemistree> kinda a lot, but I think if I limit myself to one major app at a time the the netbook should handle fine
[17:19] <holstein> and you are welcome to come here and ask questions regardless of what you decide
[17:19] <chemistree> nice... i guess I just need to see for myself which distro I like better...
[17:20] <chemistree> I kinda want to start with ubuntu studio, but only for aesthetic reasons, I guess
[17:20] <holstein> http://holstein.bandcamp.com/track/breath
[17:20] <holstein> chemistree: ubuntustudio 11.10 is actually pretty asthetically neutral
[17:20] <holstein> we had just went to XFCE
[17:20] <holstein> and have no real themeing in place
[17:21] <holstein> i personally am running ubuntu 10.04 on my studio machine with kxstudio PPA's added
[17:21] <holstein> i mostly run the LTS releases, though i install and test the others when time allows
[17:21] <chemistree> astraljava: more into heavy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mU05RmIKJI&feature=related
[17:22] <chemistree> djent
[17:22] <astraljava> Nice.
[17:22] <astraljava> Reminds a little of TesseracT.
[17:23] <astraljava> Which reminds me I need to rip that CD to the music library.
[17:24] <chemistree> astraljava: also see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVCpfTtHzzo
[17:24] <chemistree> =]
[17:24] <chemistree> I like your solo cello holstein
[17:24] <holstein> chemistree: thanks... its actually bass
[17:24] <chemistree> or is it double bass?
[17:25] <holstein> FOSS from beginning to end :)
[17:25] <chemistree> I think you would really appreciate: Christopher Roberts "Trio for deep voices"
[17:25] <chemistree> is that you playing the bass?
[17:25] <holstein> yup
[17:26] <chemistree> yeah, check out Christopher Roberts album, on Cold Blue records...
[17:26] <astraljava> Quite a Killswitch Engage feel to this one, very cool.
[17:26] <chemistree> FOSS?
[17:26] <astraljava> Free / Open Source Software.
[17:27] <ADD_nauseam> sup m8s
[17:27] <chemistree> yeah the bass player is a SLAP MACHINE!!!!
[17:27] <ADD_nauseam> whats a slap machine?
[17:27] <holstein> chemistree: that was recorded and produced in ubuntustudio
[17:28] <chemistree> ADD_nauseam: SLAP MACHINE: one who slaps the shit out of his electric bass.
[17:28] <chemistree> see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVCpfTtHzzo
[17:28] <ADD_nauseam> i get it :)
[17:28] <chemistree> heh
[17:29] <chemistree> anyway
[17:29] <chemistree> holstein: so "breath" was done in ubuntu studio?
[17:30] <chemistree> what program did you use for production?
[17:30] <holstein> chemistree: that particular project, 'living' was... from start to finish
[17:30] <holstein> chemistree: i tracked in ardour, and mixed there as well using JAMin during export for mastering
[17:30] <holstein> not much mixing envolved though
[17:31] <holstein> http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/spork12 is a project i mised in ubuntustudio
[17:31] <holstein> but it was tracked at the club in protools? i think it was PT
[17:31] <ADD_nauseam> a friend of mine tells me reall linux producers use AVlinux
[17:32] <holstein> ADD_nauseam: AVLinux runs great live
[17:32] <holstein> its based on an older version of debian, so you get older packages
[17:32] <holstein> not a deal breaker
[17:32] <ADD_nauseam> even better
[17:32] <holstein> its a great project, and the dev is very cool
[17:33] <holstein> i like the combo of ubuntustudio+KXstudio ppa's
[17:34] <holstein> TBH, it really doent matter
[17:34] <holstein> JACK is JACK, and ardour is ardour
[17:34] <holstein> the tools are open and common to all distros really
[17:34] <chemistree> I like the sound of this jazz... brass is smooth here.
[17:34] <holstein> its more about what you are comfortable with
[17:34] <holstein> chemistree: yeah, a few of those guys moved here recently
[17:35] <holstein> they are on tour a lot, but when they are around we play out as much as possible
[17:35] <chemistree> you on east coast?
[17:35] <holstein> northcarolina
[17:36] <holstein> i gotta run though... welcome to the channel chemistree & ADD_nauseam
[17:36] <ADD_nauseam> im on the west coast of EU :)
[17:36] <chemistree> thnks
[17:36] <holstein> if its too slow in here try #opensourcemusicians
[17:36] <chemistree> does ubuntu studio come with audio and graphics apps?
[17:36] <chemistree> such as ardour and gimp and inscape?
[17:37] <ADD_nauseam> i used to use satanic ubuntu
[17:37] <chemistree> inkscape**
[17:37] <ADD_nauseam> but its seems its been discontinued
[17:37] <chemistree> what do you use now?
[17:37] <ADD_nauseam> windows7
[17:37] <chemistree> are you looking to switch to linux distro?
[17:38] <chemistree> or dual boot?
[17:38] <ADD_nauseam> i have fedora
[17:38] <ADD_nauseam> but its sucks
[17:38] <ADD_nauseam> ive never seen a comecial backed distro so bad
[17:39] <ADD_nauseam> maybe its just gnome 3
[17:40] <ADD_nauseam> i ad to install kde on top of it but now i get suplicated apps in the menus and what not
[17:40] <ADD_nauseam> kde 4 also sucks
[18:08] <falktx_> kde4 does not suck if you how to handle it
[18:08] <falktx_> kde4 is a beast yes, but we can control it
[18:15] <chemistree> does ubuntu studio come with ardour2, Gimp, and inkscape installed?
[18:25] <astraljava> Yes it does.
[18:30] <ADD_nauseam> kde3 was alot better if you dont mind the bugs
[18:33] <astraljava> I never liked it much. It always looked a little outdated, even several years before the switch to KDE4.
[18:57] <chemistree> astarljava: ubuntu studio is geared towards visual and audio arts in that all the programs come preinstalled?
[18:57] <chemistree> astarljava:
[18:57] <chemistree> astraljava: double typo
[18:58] <rlameiro> well, not all
[18:59] <rlameiro> as far as the last releases, you have an optiont to select packages with a set of software
[18:59] <rlameiro> Video, audio, graphics
[18:59] <rlameiro> depending on your preference
[19:01] <astraljava> chemistree: Almost correct. We're wanting to choose the "best apps" by default. But your definition may vary, obviously.
[19:01] <astraljava> Everything _can_ be installed later, of course.
[19:03] <chemistree> so is that all that sets Ustudio apart from Ubuntu? relevent apps are chosen for the user?
[19:04] <astraljava> Pretty much. Some themeing and small tweaks, like back in the day we would have -rt kernel instead of -generic etc.
[19:04] <holstein> chemistree: think of it less like 'ubuntustudio is preinstalled with x'
[19:05] <holstein> its really just customized ubuntu
[19:05] <chemistree> is there a text editor?
[19:05] <chemistree> ah
[19:05] <astraljava> holstein: Same thing, really.
[19:05] <holstein> based on what can be included due to licenses
[19:05] <holstein> and what the dev team chooses to install, and include
[19:06] <holstein> astraljava: pretty much the same idea
[19:06] <holstein> chemistree: we are going to something called 'workflows'
[19:06] <holstein> you would get the packages installed to do podcasting for example by just clicking that icon or whatever
[19:07] <holstein> chemistree: what is going to set ubuntustudio ubuntu apart is the community
[19:08] <holstein> ubuntustudio & ubuntu ^
[19:09] <holstein> chemistree: there are lots of text editors available in the repositories, which are the same ones as main ubuntu
[19:12] <chemistree> so community sets them apart... ubuntu seems to have a much larger community
[19:12] <chemistree> more users
[19:12] <astraljava> chemistree: Yes, that you must understand, Ubuntu Studio is based on Ubuntu, uses the same repositories and thus has everything accessible as the other *buntus do.
[19:12] <astraljava> chemistree: However, our user base is much more limited.
[19:13] <chemistree> user base? meaning people you can talk to who are using Ustudio?
[19:15] <chemistree> Ubuntu studio .org home page is just so damn appealing though!
[19:15] <chemistree> :]
[19:16] <holstein> chemistree: go for it.. you literally dont have to decide now
[19:16] <holstein> you can install it, and revert to *any* other buntu
[19:16] <holstein> or install main ubuntu and upgrade
[19:16] <holstein> or switch to xubuntu... or run lubuntu and add some of the ubuntustudio packages
[19:19] <chemistree> lots of options... so in about a week I will be installing a linux distro on my netbook, So I suppose then I will be looking for some support on installing and running linux
[19:19] <chemistree> first timer here installing a distro
[19:20] <astraljava> You can always ask here, and on #ubuntu, for help.
[19:20] <chemistree> yeah, that will probably happen
[19:20] <chemistree> thnks
[19:20] <chemistree> :)
[19:21] <chemistree> Until next time
[19:21] <chemistree> i'm out
[19:21] <holstein> heres 2 tips...
[19:21] <chemistree> ok
[19:21] <holstein> run it live *before* you install
[19:21] <chemistree> hmm
[19:21] <holstein> and ask *before* you click and break something ;)
[19:21] <holstein> if at all possible
[19:22] <chemistree> ok I'll be careful
[19:22] <holstein> the ubuntustudio iso is not a live iso as of now, but i still think it is worth the effort to run main ubuntu live or xubuntu to see how the hardware support is
[19:22] <holstein> then, you can install ubuntustudio as you please, and confidently
[19:22] <holstein> either knowing everything will just work, or having an idea of how to get support
[19:22] <chemistree> I will have to look into how to run ubuntu live. thanks for the heads up.
[19:23] <holstein> chemistree: when you make the normal ubuntu cd, or xubuntu, its an option when you boot the cd
[19:23] <holstein> "run live without any changes"
[19:23] <chemistree> oh
[19:23] <chemistree> what about if I just download ubuntu and run it from harddrive?
[19:24] <holstein> you can literally do whatever you want
[19:24] <holstein> but thats not trivial
[19:24] <holstein> you can do a wubi install inside windows... i did for a while on my studio machine years ago
[19:24] <holstein> its not ideal
[19:25] <holstein> ideal is to dual boot, or just install linux on the entire drive
[19:25] <chemistree> well, how would I get ubutu on a disk without downloading first? yeah, dual boot is what I want
[19:25] <holstein> chemistree: with FOSS and linux, its not so much "can" you do it... its more about how, and if you want to go through the trouble
[19:25] <holstein> in theory, its all open, and anything is possible
[19:26] <holstein> but there are hardware limitations and things that are just not practical
[19:26] <holstein> 20:23 < chemistree> what about if I just download ubuntu and run it from harddrive?
[19:26] <holstein> ^^ to me, that means you download the image, and click and run ubuntu
[19:26] <holstein> that can only happen (easily) with wubi
[19:27] <holstein> or virtualizing linux
[19:28] <chemistree> so the alternative to wubi is to download -> burn to disk -> run live from disk
[19:28] <holstein> chemistree: ubuntustudio can not be run live
[19:29] <chemistree> yeah, but Ubuntu can
[19:29] <holstein> you can run the normal ubuntu (and most of the other ones) live from CD or USB or whatever
[19:29] <chemistree> ok
[19:30] <chemistree> so I can just download ubuntu (normal) to my 2 gig jump drive, and run it live from that? sounds like a good place to start
[19:31] <holstein> chemistree: yup.. thats a great way to 'kick the tires'.. that or xubuntu since ubuntustudio is XFCE as well
[19:31] <astraljava> chemistree: You will have to use USB stick creator, or unetbootin to make it bootable, though.
[19:31] <holstein> yeah, or you can dd copy them now
[19:32] <astraljava> Oh okay, yeah.
[19:32] <holstein> astraljava: 11.10? and above?
[19:33] <astraljava> holstein: I forget which one was the breaker, but after a certain release you had to use the same or later release with USB creator. unetbootin should work for all.
[19:33] <astraljava> holstein: Never used dd, but I figure it should work just fine.
[19:33] <chemistree> holstein: "dd copy them now"?
[19:37] <astraljava> Well, at last I feel pride for sharing the nationality with a dude: http://hurricanes.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=608395
[19:37] <holstein> astraljava: i tested it whever it was
[19:37] <holstein> worked great :)
[19:37] <astraljava> Good to know.
[19:38] <holstein> chemistree: you can... that'll give you a bootable USB stick
[19:38] <holstein> its not trivial.. dd is also known as "disk destroyer"
[19:41] <astraljava> Heheh.
[19:48] <chemistree> "its not trivial" meaning: it IS of importance. so  the USB stick creator method will side step the 'non-trivial' "disk destroyer" route?
[19:49] <holstein> chemistree: i mean its not something you want to take lightly
[19:49] <holstein> if you say 'sudo dd erase all my important data from my actual hard drive'... it will
[19:50] <chemistree> downloading onto a jump drive and running live from that is much much more trivial then...
[19:50] <chemistree> sounds like that is the safest possible action to take
[19:51] <holstein> chemistree: you should back up everything
[19:51] <holstein> and no how to revert
[19:51] <holstein> thats the safest possible action
[19:51] <holstein> then, you literally cant break anything