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| knome | micahg, do you know of problems with TB and mails not showing up right on launch? | 12:32 |
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| knome | hey | 16:48 |
| knome | meeting in about 10mins | 16:48 |
| astraljava | o/ | 16:48 |
| knome | hey astraljava :) | 16:49 |
| GridCube | O_o | 16:50 |
| astraljava | How are things? | 16:50 |
| GridCube | meeting? | 16:50 |
| knome | GridCube, meeting that was announced on the mailing list | 16:50 |
| GridCube | yes, i remember now :) | 16:50 |
| knome | astraljava, fine, though everybody's been a bit quiet lately :) | 16:50 |
| knome | GridCube, what | 16:50 |
| astraljava | It's that time of the yeaer. | 16:50 |
| astraljava | -e | 16:50 |
| knome | GridCube, ...'s the status of your blueprint/spec? | 16:50 |
| GridCube | :D the mail anouncing a meeting some day this week | 16:51 |
| GridCube | I haven't done it, sorry | 16:51 |
| GridCube | :( | 16:51 |
| knome | GridCube, i think we'll have to postpone that to P+1 then, unless you can get somebody else to work with it and get it ready soon | 16:51 |
| GridCube | I forgot about it completely sorry | 16:52 |
| GridCube | yes | 16:52 |
| GridCube | its not a problem | 16:52 |
| GridCube | i think its better that way | 16:52 |
| GridCube | sorry | 16:52 |
| knome | no problem | 16:52 |
| knome | maybe you can help with other blueprints then, if somebody needs help | 16:52 |
| GridCube | yes sure | 16:53 |
| GridCube | i go to vacations tomorrow, so ill be home everyday for like a month :) | 16:53 |
| knome | right | 16:54 |
| knome | have fun | 16:54 |
| GridCube | :D thanks | 16:56 |
| knome | where are you going to? | 16:56 |
| GridCube | nowhere XD | 16:57 |
| knome | right, so just free time | 16:57 |
| knome | what are you planning to do? | 16:57 |
| GridCube | im just staying home not expending money | 16:57 |
| knome | heh | 16:57 |
| GridCube | probably fix stuff that need to be fixed | 16:57 |
| knome | :) | 16:57 |
| GridCube | like cleaning the deposit that has too many things i dont really use | 16:58 |
| knome | heh | 16:58 |
| knome | so who is here for the meeting? | 17:00 |
| GridCube | o/ | 17:01 |
| knome | anybody else? :P | 17:01 |
| GridCube | astraljava, was here a few moments ago | 17:02 |
| GridCube | :P | 17:02 |
| knome | astraljava, edii, micahg, mr_pouit, pleia2, scott-work ? | 17:02 |
| GridCube | madnick Unit193 | 17:02 |
| ochosi | well i can quickly say something if we decide to start with artwork :) | 17:02 |
| astraljava | o/ | 17:02 |
| knome | ochosi, i promise we're there at latest 1710 UTC, ok? | 17:02 |
| knome | :) | 17:02 |
| knome | #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting | 17:03 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Dec 29 17:03:05 2011 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. | 17:03 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 17:03 |
| knome | #topic Xubuntu LTS plan | 17:03 |
| knome | #info Plan draft prepared by micahg is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan | 17:03 |
| knome | Any comments before we vote yay/nay ? | 17:03 |
| ochosi | not really | 17:04 |
| GridCube | yay | 17:04 |
| ochosi | (from my side) | 17:04 |
| GridCube | i like it | 17:04 |
| knome | #vote LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? | 17:04 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? | 17:04 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) | 17:04 |
| knome | +1 | 17:04 |
| meetingology | +1 received from knome | 17:04 |
| ochosi | +1 | 17:04 |
| meetingology | +1 received from ochosi | 17:04 |
| GridCube | +1 | 17:04 |
| meetingology | +1 received from GridCube | 17:04 |
| micahg | +1 | 17:05 |
| meetingology | +1 received from micahg | 17:05 |
| knome | anyone else? | 17:05 |
| astraljava | +1 | 17:05 |
| meetingology | +1 received from astraljava | 17:05 |
| knome | i think that's it | 17:05 |
| knome | #endvote | 17:05 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? | 17:05 |
| meetingology | Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 17:05 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 17:05 |
| GridCube | :) | 17:05 |
| knome | #info LTS plan accepted | 17:05 |
| knome | micahg, will you forward that to somebody who needs it? | 17:05 |
| knome | (tech board?) | 17:06 |
| micahg | knome: a formal proposal needs to be made to the Tech Board, as project lead, I think that should be you | 17:06 |
| knome | okay | 17:06 |
| micahg | I should be around for the meeting though | 17:06 |
| knome | #action knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board | 17:06 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board | 17:06 |
| knome | #topic Meeting times | 17:06 |
| knome | #info Next meeting will be held at January 9, 2012 at 17UTC. | 17:07 |
| GridCube | mmkay | 17:07 |
| knome | #info Following meetings will be scheduled for Wednesdays and/or Thursdays if at all possible. | 17:07 |
| micahg | 4 hours before the tech board meeting? | 17:07 |
| knome | micahg, is that bad ? :) | 17:08 |
| micahg | not necessarily :) | 17:08 |
| knome | micahg, wasn't aware of the TB meeting, but that sounds quite good | 17:08 |
| knome | micahg, i mean, we already accepted the lts plan so it's ready already | 17:08 |
| knome | #info Meetings will take place once per two weeks; more often if needed and shortly before release | 17:09 |
| knome | #topic Team updates | 17:09 |
| knome | #subtopic Marketing, Artwork | 17:09 |
| knome | ochosi, | 17:09 |
| knome | ochosi, please use #info | 17:09 |
| ochosi | okeydokey | 17:09 |
| ochosi | #info Greybird's gtk3 is stable and practically ready for release | 17:09 |
| ochosi | #info Feedback and testing is much appreciated | 17:10 |
| ochosi | #info Porting of Bluebird is proceeding, but rather slowly | 17:10 |
| knome | how to test? (quick instructions) | 17:10 |
| ochosi | in #info? | 17:10 |
| knome | ochosi, yes please :) | 17:10 |
| ochosi | k :) | 17:11 |
| ochosi | #info For testing use the download-function of our github-repository (https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/downloads) and extract the tarball to ~/.themes | 17:12 |
| knome | thanks | 17:12 |
| knome | anything else? | 17:12 |
| ochosi | #info then change the gtk-theme to "Greybird" | 17:12 |
| ochosi | hm, our icon-theme needs a bit of testing and the panel-layout should be discussed a bit | 17:12 |
| knome | #info Website is nearly ready, theme is going to get a few improvements and the content still needs more reviewing - ask pleia2 for more information | 17:13 |
| knome | ochosi, can you add that to the next meeting agenda? | 17:13 |
| ochosi | would also be nice to know which versions of xfce-packages get included | 17:13 |
| pleia2 | we'll probably do some of the content review after we publish, I'd really like to get the site out sooner than later | 17:13 |
| ochosi | yes, but not now, my connection is far too bad for editing the ubuntu-wiki ;) | 17:13 |
| ochosi | k, sorry, i might be out now... :( | 17:13 |
| knome | ochosi, yeah, and the next agenda is not even up yet. :) | 17:13 |
| knome | ochosi, no problem, see you later | 17:13 |
| ochosi | (using a mobile-phone connection of a friend and she's on the phone now...) | 17:14 |
| knome | #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible | 17:14 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible | 17:14 |
| knome | pleia2, agreed. | 17:14 |
| knome | anything else on marketing or artwork? | 17:14 |
| ochosi | oh, actually: is that thunderbird-bug fixed? | 17:15 |
| pleia2 | cc_INC made more stickers, with a slightly different design :) | 17:15 |
| ochosi | that''s kinda testing/artwork, not sure which :) | 17:15 |
| micahg | ochosi: no, not yet, but thanks for the reminder :) | 17:15 |
| ochosi | pleia2: nice, link? | 17:15 |
| pleia2 | no link yet, he'll be getting me photos and the design this weekend so I'll add them to the marketing page | 17:15 |
| knome | nice! | 17:15 |
| ochosi | micahg: ok, good to know. for the lts it would be nice, otherwise i could also try to fix it in the theme somehow | 17:15 |
| knome | #action pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design | 17:16 |
| meetingology | ACTION: pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design | 17:16 |
| ochosi | pleia2: sounds nice! | 17:16 |
| micahg | ochosi: no, we can get it fixed upstream, I just need to file it | 17:16 |
| knome | #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue | 17:16 |
| meetingology | ACTION: micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue | 17:16 |
| ochosi | k, thanks! | 17:16 |
| ochosi | sry guys, i'm afraid i g2g :( | 17:16 |
| knome | let's move on | 17:16 |
| knome | ochosi, no problem :) | 17:16 |
| ochosi | i'll read the logs tomorrow or next year ;) | 17:16 |
| knome | #subtopic Packaging, Development | 17:17 |
| knome | ochosi, we'll have the nice minutes from #info | 17:17 |
| knome | micahg, mr_pouit ? | 17:17 |
| micahg | #info mr_pouit has been uploading newer versions of xfce components in Debian | 17:19 |
| knome | ooh | 17:19 |
| knome | when will they land in xubuntu? | 17:19 |
| micahg | #info we should get them synced over next week | 17:19 |
| knome | good | 17:20 |
| knome | do they need more careful testing than usually? | 17:20 |
| micahg | I don't think so, they're just point releases | 17:20 |
| knome | okay | 17:20 |
| micahg | we have an issue that the amd64 live ISO is oversized, does anyone care | 17:21 |
| knome | anything else from your side? :) | 17:21 |
| knome | i care if it's oversized on release, but not now ;) | 17:21 |
| knome | it's still that python issue? | 17:21 |
| micahg | right, I'm wondering about now if it impedes testing | 17:21 |
| knome | and that will be resolved later? | 17:21 |
| knome | well, there weren't problems earlier, so until somebody says anything about it, i don't think it matters | 17:22 |
| micahg | well, we need to drop a language or something else to make it fit again, I don't think it'll be fixed on the backend, but I can check again | 17:22 |
| GridCube | oh, i got a weird message the other day on a vbox | 17:22 |
| knome | #info and64 live ISO is oversized. if it's a problem, ping micahg | 17:22 |
| micahg | that works :) | 17:22 |
| knome | #info Can be fixed by dropping a language for example | 17:22 |
| ochosi | hm, from my (artwork) perspective: can we cherry-pick git-commits (e.g. in xfwm4) for xubuntu from upstream? | 17:23 |
| GridCube | the alternate iso did not wantt o install untill i activated PAE on the vbox machine, said "i need PAE wont install without it" or something like that | 17:23 |
| micahg | I've been trying to keep our build failures clean, that's easy when there are no new uploads :-/ | 17:23 |
| micahg | GridCube: right, PAE is the default kernel in precise | 17:23 |
| * micahg guesses that's worth an info | 17:23 | |
| micahg | #info PAE kernel is the default in precise now | 17:23 |
| knome | can you also add info on how to switch (it that's possible) | 17:23 |
| micahg | GridCube probably could, there's a toggle in the settings somewhere | 17:24 |
| GridCube | ? | 17:24 |
| GridCube | oh yes | 17:24 |
| GridCube | thats easy | 17:24 |
| knome | GridCube, will you add an #info for that? | 17:25 |
| ochosi | micahg: sry to ask you again, but the cherry-picking from upstream, is that an option? | 17:25 |
| micahg | ochosi: Thunderbird? | 17:25 |
| ochosi | micahg: no, xfwm4 (there were two theming-relevant commits lately) | 17:25 |
| ochosi | not sure there'll be a 4.8.x release with those soon enough for our release, that's why i'm asking | 17:26 |
| GridCube | #info to change to PAE on vbox read here: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#settings-processor | 17:26 |
| micahg | ochosi: possible, yes, if relevant to Debian as well, please file the bug there and let mr_pouit know, otherwise I can do it in Ubuntu | 17:26 |
| ochosi | micahg: ok, sounds good. i'll check with xfce-devs also to get some release-date info | 17:26 |
| knome | #action ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu | 17:27 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu | 17:27 |
| knome | anything else from pkgs/dev ? | 17:27 |
| micahg | ochosi: we can do a 0-day sync from unstable if we need to get more testing in for something, but I've been letting most things migrate to testing | 17:27 |
| ochosi | micahg: ok, well the commits aren't dramatic anyway, but e.g. larger alt-tab icons by default might be nice (64px instead of 48px) | 17:28 |
| knome | #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing | 17:29 |
| knome | GridCube, ? | 17:29 |
| GridCube | not much testings lately, we should get into more tests soon, we are getting behind | 17:30 |
| knome | can you post that with #info | 17:30 |
| GridCube | #info not much testings lately, we should get into more tests soon, we are getting behind | 17:30 |
| knome | also, would you be willing to call for more testers from the mailing lists and irc when you have some time? | 17:30 |
| knome | i mean, wouldn't that fix the problem with getting behind | 17:31 |
| GridCube | in my opinion the qa tracker is not very nice, its confusing | 17:31 |
| knome | i'm not really fmailiar with it | 17:31 |
| pleia2 | some instructions for testing would be nice, maybe even one we add as a blog post ;) | 17:31 |
| knome | pleia2, yeah, not a bad idea | 17:31 |
| pleia2 | charlie said he would be willing to help write one after the holidays | 17:32 |
| GridCube | and it doesnt seem to do the things we would like to, like seeing what tests where done, or what the results where, i don't know | 17:32 |
| knome | pleia2, okay, nice | 17:32 |
| knome | #action charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season | 17:32 |
| GridCube | yes. charlie said he hopes to be back after the hollidays | 17:32 |
| meetingology | ACTION: charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season | 17:32 |
| knome | GridCube, can you gather a list of the problems you see in the QA tracker and take them to somebody who is running it or to me? | 17:33 |
| GridCube | yes | 17:35 |
| GridCube | i can | 17:35 |
| knome | thanks | 17:35 |
| knome | #action GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles | 17:36 |
| meetingology | ACTION: GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles | 17:36 |
| knome | #subtopic General updates | 17:36 |
| knome | anything elese? | 17:36 |
| knome | -e | 17:36 |
| GridCube | :D i got a nice present by pleia2 with xubuntu stickers :P | 17:37 |
| knome | me too. thanks pleia2! | 17:37 |
| GridCube | i don't know if thats relevant but i liked them :D | 17:37 |
| pleia2 | you're welcome :) | 17:37 |
| knome | not really something for the meeting minutes, but yeah | 17:37 |
| knome | #info No other updates for now. | 17:37 |
| knome | #topic Review blueprints that need community approval | 17:38 |
| knome | #subtopic New wallpaper (knome) | 17:38 |
| knome | #info Some drafts are at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/ | 17:38 |
| knome | #info Feedback and ideas are welcome, PM knome or send email | 17:38 |
| knome | #info Will get back to this thing later | 17:39 |
| GridCube | :) i like the last one | 17:39 |
| knome | #subtopic Ubiquity "application sets" | 17:39 |
| knome | #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets | 17:39 |
| knome | #info If you know accessibility packages well, please list them at the wikipage so we know what we should install with the accessibility set but not with the others | 17:40 |
| knome | #info Voting for the specification in the next meeting | 17:40 |
| knome | #subtopic Default shortcut keys (Sysi) | 17:40 |
| knome | he doesn't seem to be online | 17:41 |
| knome | #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys. Please add comments to the comments section. | 17:41 |
| knome | #info Will get back to this item later | 17:41 |
| knome | #subtopic Clean themes list (knome) | 17:41 |
| knome | #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/CleanThemes | 17:42 |
| knome | #info Please add comments to the comments section. | 17:42 |
| knome | #info Voting and more discussion about single themes in the next meeting | 17:43 |
| knome | #topic Discussion and guidance on any other blueprints | 17:43 |
| knome | #info Default media player -blueprint is postponed to P+1 | 17:43 |
| knome | anything else? | 17:43 |
| GridCube | no, just sorry for not gettingit on time | 17:44 |
| knome | no problem | 17:44 |
| knome | + i was referring to possible need for help with other blueprints ;) | 17:44 |
| GridCube | :) | 17:44 |
| knome | #subtopic Any other business | 17:45 |
| knome | #action knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP | 17:45 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP | 17:45 |
| knome | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Dec 29 17:45:46 2011 UTC. | 17:45 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-12-29-17.03.moin.txt | 17:45 |
| knome | thanks | 17:45 |
| knome | i'll update the wiki later today | 17:46 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 17:46 |
| knome | also, i need to go for now :) | 17:46 |
| knome | see you later | 17:46 |
| knome | PM works | 17:46 |
| Unit193 | Oh, meeting | 18:12 |
| knome | Oh, gone | 18:15 |
| knome | :P | 18:15 |
| knome | and me too | 18:15 |
| knome | the minutes are up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/ | 18:15 |
| * pleia2 adds to UWN | 18:16 | |
| knome | nice :) | 18:16 |
| knome | pleia2, the fridge calendar is for meetings in #ubuntu-meeting only, right? | 18:16 |
| pleia2 | knome: nah, you just set the location: to be whereever the meeting is if not in #ubuntu-meeting | 18:17 |
| knome | a-ha, okay | 18:17 |
| pleia2 | let me know if you add something, or needs something changed, I recently was granted fridge calendar editing powers | 18:18 |
| pleia2 | (so I can approve or change things people submit) | 18:18 |
| knome | pleia2, the next meeting ;) | 18:18 |
| knome | let me add that first | 18:19 |
| knome | pleia2, how do i even propose an item? | 18:22 |
| pleia2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar | 18:22 |
| pleia2 | (that link is on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/ - I should probably add it to /calendars too) | 18:23 |
| knome | seems to appear in fridge now | 18:25 |
| scott-work | knome: sorry i missed the meeting earlier :( | 19:49 |
| scott-work | been a very busy day | 19:49 |
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| === Nex4 is now known as Nax | ||
| olbi | hello | 22:16 |
| olbi | some1 know why exo 0.7.0 drops binding tu python? | 22:16 |
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