=== Exio is now known as Nax === Nax is now known as Exio4|Away [12:32] micahg, do you know of problems with TB and mails not showing up right on launch? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:48] hey [16:48] meeting in about 10mins [16:48] o/ [16:49] hey astraljava :) [16:50] O_o [16:50] How are things? [16:50] meeting? [16:50] GridCube, meeting that was announced on the mailing list [16:50] yes, i remember now :) [16:50] astraljava, fine, though everybody's been a bit quiet lately :) [16:50] GridCube, what [16:50] It's that time of the yeaer. [16:50] -e [16:50] GridCube, ...'s the status of your blueprint/spec? [16:51] :D the mail anouncing a meeting some day this week [16:51] I haven't done it, sorry [16:51] :( [16:51] GridCube, i think we'll have to postpone that to P+1 then, unless you can get somebody else to work with it and get it ready soon [16:52] I forgot about it completely sorry [16:52] yes [16:52] its not a problem [16:52] i think its better that way [16:52] sorry [16:52] no problem [16:52] maybe you can help with other blueprints then, if somebody needs help [16:53] yes sure [16:53] i go to vacations tomorrow, so ill be home everyday for like a month :) [16:54] right [16:54] have fun [16:56] :D thanks [16:56] where are you going to? [16:57] nowhere XD [16:57] right, so just free time [16:57] what are you planning to do? [16:57] im just staying home not expending money [16:57] heh [16:57] probably fix stuff that need to be fixed [16:57] :) [16:58] like cleaning the deposit that has too many things i dont really use [16:58] heh [17:00] so who is here for the meeting? [17:01] o/ [17:01] anybody else? :P [17:02] astraljava, was here a few moments ago [17:02] :P [17:02] astraljava, edii, micahg, mr_pouit, pleia2, scott-work ? [17:02] madnick Unit193 [17:02] well i can quickly say something if we decide to start with artwork :) [17:02] o/ [17:02] ochosi, i promise we're there at latest 1710 UTC, ok? [17:02] :) [17:03] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [17:03] Meeting started Thu Dec 29 17:03:05 2011 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [17:03] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [17:03] #topic Xubuntu LTS plan [17:03] #info Plan draft prepared by micahg is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan [17:03] Any comments before we vote yay/nay ? [17:04] not really [17:04] yay [17:04] (from my side) [17:04] i like it [17:04] #vote LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? [17:04] Please vote on: LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? [17:04] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [17:04] +1 [17:04] +1 received from knome [17:04] +1 [17:04] +1 received from ochosi [17:04] +1 [17:04] +1 received from GridCube [17:05] +1 [17:05] +1 received from micahg [17:05] anyone else? [17:05] +1 [17:05] +1 received from astraljava [17:05] i think that's it [17:05] #endvote [17:05] Voting ended on: LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)? [17:05] Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [17:05] Motion carried [17:05] :) [17:05] #info LTS plan accepted [17:05] micahg, will you forward that to somebody who needs it? [17:06] (tech board?) [17:06] knome: a formal proposal needs to be made to the Tech Board, as project lead, I think that should be you [17:06] okay [17:06] I should be around for the meeting though [17:06] #action knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board [17:06] ACTION: knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board [17:06] #topic Meeting times [17:07] #info Next meeting will be held at January 9, 2012 at 17UTC. [17:07] mmkay [17:07] #info Following meetings will be scheduled for Wednesdays and/or Thursdays if at all possible. [17:07] 4 hours before the tech board meeting? [17:08] micahg, is that bad ? :) [17:08] not necessarily :) [17:08] micahg, wasn't aware of the TB meeting, but that sounds quite good [17:08] micahg, i mean, we already accepted the lts plan so it's ready already [17:09] #info Meetings will take place once per two weeks; more often if needed and shortly before release [17:09] #topic Team updates [17:09] #subtopic Marketing, Artwork [17:09] ochosi, [17:09] ochosi, please use #info [17:09] okeydokey [17:09] #info Greybird's gtk3 is stable and practically ready for release [17:10] #info Feedback and testing is much appreciated [17:10] #info Porting of Bluebird is proceeding, but rather slowly [17:10] how to test? (quick instructions) [17:10] in #info? [17:10] ochosi, yes please :) [17:11] k :) [17:12] #info For testing use the download-function of our github-repository (https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/downloads) and extract the tarball to ~/.themes [17:12] thanks [17:12] anything else? [17:12] #info then change the gtk-theme to "Greybird" [17:12] hm, our icon-theme needs a bit of testing and the panel-layout should be discussed a bit [17:13] #info Website is nearly ready, theme is going to get a few improvements and the content still needs more reviewing - ask pleia2 for more information [17:13] ochosi, can you add that to the next meeting agenda? [17:13] would also be nice to know which versions of xfce-packages get included [17:13] we'll probably do some of the content review after we publish, I'd really like to get the site out sooner than later [17:13] yes, but not now, my connection is far too bad for editing the ubuntu-wiki ;) [17:13] k, sorry, i might be out now... :( [17:13] ochosi, yeah, and the next agenda is not even up yet. :) [17:13] ochosi, no problem, see you later [17:14] (using a mobile-phone connection of a friend and she's on the phone now...) [17:14] #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible [17:14] ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible [17:14] pleia2, agreed. [17:14] anything else on marketing or artwork? [17:15] oh, actually: is that thunderbird-bug fixed? [17:15] cc_INC made more stickers, with a slightly different design :) [17:15] that''s kinda testing/artwork, not sure which :) [17:15] ochosi: no, not yet, but thanks for the reminder :) [17:15] pleia2: nice, link? [17:15] no link yet, he'll be getting me photos and the design this weekend so I'll add them to the marketing page [17:15] nice! [17:15] micahg: ok, good to know. for the lts it would be nice, otherwise i could also try to fix it in the theme somehow [17:16] #action pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design [17:16] ACTION: pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design [17:16] pleia2: sounds nice! [17:16] ochosi: no, we can get it fixed upstream, I just need to file it [17:16] #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue [17:16] ACTION: micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue [17:16] k, thanks! [17:16] sry guys, i'm afraid i g2g :( [17:16] let's move on [17:16] ochosi, no problem :) [17:16] i'll read the logs tomorrow or next year ;) [17:17] #subtopic Packaging, Development [17:17] ochosi, we'll have the nice minutes from #info [17:17] micahg, mr_pouit ? [17:19] #info mr_pouit has been uploading newer versions of xfce components in Debian [17:19] ooh [17:19] when will they land in xubuntu? [17:19] #info we should get them synced over next week [17:20] good [17:20] do they need more careful testing than usually? [17:20] I don't think so, they're just point releases [17:20] okay [17:21] we have an issue that the amd64 live ISO is oversized, does anyone care [17:21] anything else from your side? :) [17:21] i care if it's oversized on release, but not now ;) [17:21] it's still that python issue? [17:21] right, I'm wondering about now if it impedes testing [17:21] and that will be resolved later? [17:22] well, there weren't problems earlier, so until somebody says anything about it, i don't think it matters [17:22] well, we need to drop a language or something else to make it fit again, I don't think it'll be fixed on the backend, but I can check again [17:22] oh, i got a weird message the other day on a vbox [17:22] #info and64 live ISO is oversized. if it's a problem, ping micahg [17:22] that works :) [17:22] #info Can be fixed by dropping a language for example [17:23] hm, from my (artwork) perspective: can we cherry-pick git-commits (e.g. in xfwm4) for xubuntu from upstream? [17:23] the alternate iso did not wantt o install untill i activated PAE on the vbox machine, said "i need PAE wont install without it" or something like that [17:23] I've been trying to keep our build failures clean, that's easy when there are no new uploads :-/ [17:23] GridCube: right, PAE is the default kernel in precise [17:23] * micahg guesses that's worth an info [17:23] #info PAE kernel is the default in precise now [17:23] can you also add info on how to switch (it that's possible) [17:24] GridCube probably could, there's a toggle in the settings somewhere [17:24] ? [17:24] oh yes [17:24] thats easy [17:25] GridCube, will you add an #info for that? [17:25] micahg: sry to ask you again, but the cherry-picking from upstream, is that an option? [17:25] ochosi: Thunderbird? [17:25] micahg: no, xfwm4 (there were two theming-relevant commits lately) [17:26] not sure there'll be a 4.8.x release with those soon enough for our release, that's why i'm asking [17:26] #info to change to PAE on vbox read here: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#settings-processor [17:26] ochosi: possible, yes, if relevant to Debian as well, please file the bug there and let mr_pouit know, otherwise I can do it in Ubuntu [17:26] micahg: ok, sounds good. i'll check with xfce-devs also to get some release-date info [17:27] #action ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu [17:27] ACTION: ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu [17:27] anything else from pkgs/dev ? [17:27] ochosi: we can do a 0-day sync from unstable if we need to get more testing in for something, but I've been letting most things migrate to testing [17:28] micahg: ok, well the commits aren't dramatic anyway, but e.g. larger alt-tab icons by default might be nice (64px instead of 48px) [17:29] #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing [17:29] GridCube, ? [17:30] not much testings lately, we should get into more tests soon, we are getting behind [17:30] can you post that with #info [17:30] #info not much testings lately, we should get into more tests soon, we are getting behind [17:30] also, would you be willing to call for more testers from the mailing lists and irc when you have some time? [17:31] i mean, wouldn't that fix the problem with getting behind [17:31] in my opinion the qa tracker is not very nice, its confusing [17:31] i'm not really fmailiar with it [17:31] some instructions for testing would be nice, maybe even one we add as a blog post ;) [17:31] pleia2, yeah, not a bad idea [17:32] charlie said he would be willing to help write one after the holidays [17:32] and it doesnt seem to do the things we would like to, like seeing what tests where done, or what the results where, i don't know [17:32] pleia2, okay, nice [17:32] #action charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season [17:32] yes. charlie said he hopes to be back after the hollidays [17:32] ACTION: charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season [17:33] GridCube, can you gather a list of the problems you see in the QA tracker and take them to somebody who is running it or to me? [17:35] yes [17:35] i can [17:35] thanks [17:36] #action GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles [17:36] ACTION: GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles [17:36] #subtopic General updates [17:36] anything elese? [17:36] -e [17:37] :D i got a nice present by pleia2 with xubuntu stickers :P [17:37] me too. thanks pleia2! [17:37] i don't know if thats relevant but i liked them :D [17:37] you're welcome :) [17:37] not really something for the meeting minutes, but yeah [17:37] #info No other updates for now. [17:38] #topic Review blueprints that need community approval [17:38] #subtopic New wallpaper (knome) [17:38] #info Some drafts are at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/ [17:38] #info Feedback and ideas are welcome, PM knome or send email [17:39] #info Will get back to this thing later [17:39] :) i like the last one [17:39] #subtopic Ubiquity "application sets" [17:39] #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets [17:40] #info If you know accessibility packages well, please list them at the wikipage so we know what we should install with the accessibility set but not with the others [17:40] #info Voting for the specification in the next meeting [17:40] #subtopic Default shortcut keys (Sysi) [17:41] he doesn't seem to be online [17:41] #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys. Please add comments to the comments section. [17:41] #info Will get back to this item later [17:41] #subtopic Clean themes list (knome) [17:42] #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/CleanThemes [17:42] #info Please add comments to the comments section. [17:43] #info Voting and more discussion about single themes in the next meeting [17:43] #topic Discussion and guidance on any other blueprints [17:43] #info Default media player -blueprint is postponed to P+1 [17:43] anything else? [17:44] no, just sorry for not gettingit on time [17:44] no problem [17:44] + i was referring to possible need for help with other blueprints ;) [17:44] :) [17:45] #subtopic Any other business [17:45] #action knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP [17:45] ACTION: knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP [17:45] #endmeeting [17:45] Meeting ended Thu Dec 29 17:45:46 2011 UTC. [17:45] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-12-29-17.03.moin.txt [17:45] thanks [17:46] i'll update the wiki later today [17:46] thanks [17:46] also, i need to go for now :) [17:46] see you later [17:46] PM works [18:12] Oh, meeting [18:15] Oh, gone [18:15] :P [18:15] and me too [18:15] the minutes are up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/ [18:16] * pleia2 adds to UWN [18:16] nice :) [18:16] pleia2, the fridge calendar is for meetings in #ubuntu-meeting only, right? [18:17] knome: nah, you just set the location: to be whereever the meeting is if not in #ubuntu-meeting [18:17] a-ha, okay [18:18] let me know if you add something, or needs something changed, I recently was granted fridge calendar editing powers [18:18] (so I can approve or change things people submit) [18:18] pleia2, the next meeting ;) [18:19] let me add that first [18:22] pleia2, how do i even propose an item? [18:22] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar [18:23] (that link is on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/ - I should probably add it to /calendars too) [18:25] seems to appear in fridge now [19:49] knome: sorry i missed the meeting earlier :( [19:49] been a very busy day === Nax is now known as Nex4 === Nex4 is now known as Nax [22:16] hello [22:16] some1 know why exo 0.7.0 drops binding tu python?