[12:32] <knome> micahg, do you know of problems with TB and mails not showing up right on launch?
[16:48] <knome> hey
[16:48] <knome> meeting in about 10mins
[16:48] <astraljava> o/
[16:49] <knome> hey astraljava :)
[16:50] <GridCube> O_o
[16:50] <astraljava> How are things?
[16:50] <GridCube> meeting?
[16:50] <knome> GridCube, meeting that was announced on the mailing list
[16:50] <GridCube> yes, i remember now :)
[16:50] <knome> astraljava, fine, though everybody's been a bit quiet lately :)
[16:50] <knome> GridCube, what
[16:50] <astraljava> It's that time of the yeaer.
[16:50] <astraljava> -e
[16:50] <knome> GridCube, ...'s the status of your blueprint/spec?
[16:51] <GridCube> :D the mail anouncing a meeting some day this week
[16:51] <GridCube> I haven't done it, sorry
[16:51] <GridCube> :(
[16:51] <knome> GridCube, i think we'll have to postpone that to P+1 then, unless you can get somebody else to work with it and get it ready soon
[16:52] <GridCube> I forgot about it completely sorry
[16:52] <GridCube> yes
[16:52] <GridCube> its not a problem
[16:52] <GridCube> i think its better that way
[16:52] <GridCube> sorry
[16:52] <knome> no problem
[16:52] <knome> maybe you can help with other blueprints then, if somebody needs help
[16:53] <GridCube> yes sure
[16:53] <GridCube> i go to vacations tomorrow, so ill be home everyday for like a month :)
[16:54] <knome> right
[16:54] <knome> have fun
[16:56] <GridCube> :D thanks
[16:56] <knome> where are you going to?
[16:57] <GridCube> nowhere XD
[16:57] <knome> right, so just free time
[16:57] <knome> what are you planning to do?
[16:57] <GridCube> im just staying home not expending money
[16:57] <knome> heh
[16:57] <GridCube> probably fix stuff that need to be fixed
[16:57] <knome> :)
[16:58] <GridCube> like cleaning the deposit that has too many things i dont really use
[16:58] <knome> heh
[17:00] <knome> so who is here for the meeting?
[17:01] <GridCube> o/
[17:01] <knome> anybody else? :P
[17:02] <GridCube> astraljava, was here a few moments ago
[17:02] <GridCube> :P
[17:02] <knome> astraljava, edii, micahg, mr_pouit, pleia2, scott-work ?
[17:02] <GridCube> madnick Unit193 
[17:02] <ochosi> well i can quickly say something if we decide to start with artwork :)
[17:02] <astraljava> o/
[17:02] <knome> ochosi, i promise we're there at latest 1710 UTC, ok?
[17:02] <knome> :)
[17:03] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[17:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 29 17:03:05 2011 UTC.  The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[17:03] <knome> #topic Xubuntu LTS plan
[17:03] <knome> #info Plan draft prepared by micahg is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan
[17:03] <knome> Any comments before we vote yay/nay ?
[17:04] <ochosi> not really
[17:04] <GridCube> yay
[17:04] <ochosi> (from my side)
[17:04] <GridCube> i like it
[17:04] <knome> #vote LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)?
[17:04] <meetingology> Please vote on: LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)?
[17:04] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[17:04] <knome> +1
[17:04] <meetingology> +1 received from knome
[17:04] <ochosi> +1
[17:04] <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
[17:04] <GridCube> +1
[17:04] <meetingology> +1 received from GridCube
[17:05] <micahg> +1
[17:05] <meetingology> +1 received from micahg
[17:05] <knome> anyone else?
[17:05] <astraljava> +1
[17:05] <meetingology> +1 received from astraljava
[17:05] <knome> i think that's it
[17:05] <knome> #endvote
[17:05] <meetingology> Voting ended on: LTS Cycle Plan at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/LTSCyclePlan: Yay (+1) or nay (-1)?
[17:05] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[17:05] <meetingology> Motion carried
[17:05] <GridCube> :)
[17:05] <knome> #info LTS plan accepted
[17:05] <knome> micahg, will you forward that to somebody who needs it?
[17:06] <knome> (tech board?)
[17:06] <micahg> knome: a formal proposal needs to be made to the Tech Board, as project lead, I think that should be you
[17:06] <knome> okay
[17:06] <micahg> I should be around for the meeting though
[17:06] <knome> #action knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board
[17:06] <meetingology> ACTION: knome (with the help of micahg, if needed) to forward the Xubuntu LTS plan to Technical Board
[17:06] <knome> #topic Meeting times
[17:07] <knome> #info Next meeting will be held at January 9, 2012 at 17UTC.
[17:07] <GridCube> mmkay
[17:07] <knome> #info Following meetings will be scheduled for Wednesdays and/or Thursdays if at all possible.
[17:07] <micahg> 4 hours before the tech board meeting?
[17:08] <knome> micahg, is that bad ? :)
[17:08] <micahg> not necessarily :)
[17:08] <knome> micahg, wasn't aware of the TB meeting, but that sounds quite good
[17:08] <knome> micahg, i mean, we already accepted the lts plan so it's ready already
[17:09] <knome> #info Meetings will take place once per two weeks; more often if needed and shortly before release
[17:09] <knome> #topic Team updates
[17:09] <knome> #subtopic Marketing, Artwork
[17:09] <knome> ochosi, 
[17:09] <knome> ochosi, please use #info
[17:09] <ochosi> okeydokey
[17:09] <ochosi> #info Greybird's gtk3 is stable and practically ready for release
[17:10] <ochosi> #info Feedback and testing is much appreciated
[17:10] <ochosi> #info Porting of Bluebird is proceeding, but rather slowly
[17:10] <knome> how to test? (quick instructions)
[17:10] <ochosi> in #info?
[17:10] <knome> ochosi, yes please :)
[17:11] <ochosi> k :)
[17:12] <ochosi> #info For testing use the download-function of our github-repository (https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/downloads) and extract the tarball to ~/.themes
[17:12] <knome> thanks
[17:12] <knome> anything else?
[17:12] <ochosi> #info then change the gtk-theme to "Greybird"
[17:12] <ochosi> hm, our icon-theme needs a bit of testing and the panel-layout should be discussed a bit
[17:13] <knome> #info Website is nearly ready, theme is going to get a few improvements and the content still needs more reviewing - ask pleia2 for more information
[17:13] <knome> ochosi, can you add that to the next meeting agenda?
[17:13] <ochosi> would also be nice to know which versions of xfce-packages get included
[17:13] <pleia2> we'll probably do some of the content review after we publish, I'd really like to get the site out sooner than later
[17:13] <ochosi> yes, but not now, my connection is far too bad for editing the ubuntu-wiki ;)
[17:13] <ochosi> k, sorry, i might be out now... :(
[17:13] <knome> ochosi, yeah, and the next agenda is not even up yet. :)
[17:13] <knome> ochosi, no problem, see you later
[17:14] <ochosi> (using a mobile-phone connection of a friend and she's on the phone now...)
[17:14] <knome> #action micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible
[17:14] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg or mr_pouit to confirm xfce package versions in precise as soon as possible
[17:14] <knome> pleia2, agreed.
[17:14] <knome> anything else on marketing or artwork?
[17:15] <ochosi> oh, actually: is that thunderbird-bug fixed?
[17:15] <pleia2> cc_INC made more stickers, with a slightly different design :)
[17:15] <ochosi> that''s kinda testing/artwork, not sure which :)
[17:15] <micahg> ochosi: no, not yet, but thanks for the reminder :)
[17:15] <ochosi> pleia2: nice, link?
[17:15] <pleia2> no link yet, he'll be getting me photos and the design this weekend so I'll add them to the marketing page
[17:15] <knome> nice!
[17:15] <ochosi> micahg: ok, good to know. for the lts it would be nice, otherwise i could also try to fix it in the theme somehow
[17:16] <knome> #action pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design
[17:16] <meetingology> ACTION: pleia2 to update the marketing wikipage with new sticker design
[17:16] <ochosi> pleia2: sounds nice!
[17:16] <micahg> ochosi: no, we can get it fixed upstream, I just need to file it
[17:16] <knome> #action micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue
[17:16] <meetingology> ACTION: micahg to look at the thunderbird button issue
[17:16] <ochosi> k, thanks!
[17:16] <ochosi> sry guys, i'm afraid i g2g :(
[17:16] <knome> let's move on
[17:16] <knome> ochosi, no problem :)
[17:16] <ochosi> i'll read the logs tomorrow or next year ;)
[17:17] <knome> #subtopic Packaging, Development
[17:17] <knome> ochosi, we'll have the nice minutes from #info
[17:17] <knome> micahg, mr_pouit ?
[17:19] <micahg> #info mr_pouit has been uploading newer versions of xfce components in Debian
[17:19] <knome> ooh
[17:19] <knome> when will they land in xubuntu?
[17:19] <micahg> #info we should get them synced over next week
[17:20] <knome> good
[17:20] <knome> do they need more careful testing than usually?
[17:20] <micahg> I don't think so, they're just point releases
[17:20] <knome> okay
[17:21] <micahg> we have an issue that the amd64 live ISO is oversized, does anyone care
[17:21] <knome> anything else from your side? :)
[17:21] <knome> i care if it's oversized on release, but not now ;)
[17:21] <knome> it's still that python issue?
[17:21] <micahg> right, I'm wondering about now if it impedes testing
[17:21] <knome> and that will be resolved later?
[17:22] <knome> well, there weren't problems earlier, so until somebody says anything about it, i don't think it matters
[17:22] <micahg> well, we need to drop a language or something else to make it fit again, I don't think it'll be fixed on the backend, but I can check again
[17:22] <GridCube> oh, i got a weird message the other day on a vbox
[17:22] <knome> #info and64 live ISO is oversized. if it's a problem, ping micahg 
[17:22] <micahg> that works :)
[17:22] <knome> #info Can be fixed by dropping a language for example
[17:23] <ochosi> hm, from my (artwork) perspective: can we cherry-pick git-commits (e.g. in xfwm4) for xubuntu from upstream?
[17:23] <GridCube> the alternate iso did not wantt o  install untill i activated PAE on the vbox machine, said "i need PAE wont install without it" or something like that
[17:23] <micahg> I've been trying to keep our build failures clean, that's easy when there are no new uploads :-/
[17:23] <micahg> GridCube: right, PAE is the default kernel in precise
[17:23]  * micahg guesses that's worth an info
[17:23] <micahg> #info PAE kernel is the default in precise now
[17:23] <knome> can you also add info on how to switch (it that's possible)
[17:24] <micahg> GridCube probably could, there's a toggle in the settings somewhere
[17:24] <GridCube> ?
[17:24] <GridCube> oh yes
[17:24] <GridCube> thats easy
[17:25] <knome> GridCube, will you add an #info for that?
[17:25] <ochosi> micahg: sry to ask you again, but the cherry-picking from upstream, is that an option?
[17:25] <micahg> ochosi: Thunderbird?
[17:25] <ochosi> micahg: no, xfwm4 (there were two theming-relevant commits lately)
[17:26] <ochosi> not sure there'll be a 4.8.x release with those soon enough for our release, that's why i'm asking
[17:26] <GridCube> #info to change to PAE on vbox read here: http://www.virtualbox.org/manual/ch03.html#settings-processor
[17:26] <micahg> ochosi: possible, yes, if relevant to Debian as well, please file the bug there and let mr_pouit know, otherwise I can do it in Ubuntu
[17:26] <ochosi> micahg: ok, sounds good. i'll check with xfce-devs also to get some release-date info
[17:27] <knome> #action ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu
[17:27] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to investigate some cherry-picking from xfce upstream to ubuntu
[17:27] <knome> anything else from pkgs/dev ?
[17:27] <micahg> ochosi: we can do a 0-day sync from unstable if we need to get more testing in for something, but I've been letting most things migrate to testing
[17:28] <ochosi> micahg: ok, well the commits aren't dramatic anyway, but e.g. larger alt-tab icons by default might be nice (64px instead of 48px)
[17:29] <knome> #subtopic Bug Triage, Testing
[17:29] <knome> GridCube, ?
[17:30] <GridCube> not much testings lately, we should get into more tests soon, we are getting behind
[17:30] <knome> can you post that with #info
[17:30] <GridCube> #info not much testings lately, we should get into more tests soon, we are getting behind
[17:30] <knome> also, would you be willing to call for more testers from the mailing lists and irc when you have some time?
[17:31] <knome> i mean, wouldn't that fix the problem with getting behind
[17:31] <GridCube> in my opinion the qa tracker is not very nice, its confusing
[17:31] <knome> i'm not really fmailiar with it
[17:31] <pleia2> some instructions for testing would be nice, maybe even one we add as a blog post ;)
[17:31] <knome> pleia2, yeah, not a bad idea
[17:32] <pleia2> charlie said he would be willing to help write one after the holidays
[17:32] <GridCube> and it doesnt seem to do the things we would like to, like seeing what tests where done, or what the results where, i don't know
[17:32] <knome> pleia2, okay, nice
[17:32] <knome> #action charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season
[17:32] <GridCube> yes. charlie said he hopes to be back after the hollidays
[17:32] <meetingology> ACTION: charlie-tca to write a blog post about testing after holiday season
[17:33] <knome> GridCube, can you gather a list of the problems you see in the QA tracker and take them to somebody who is running it or to me?
[17:35] <GridCube> yes
[17:35] <GridCube> i can
[17:35] <knome> thanks
[17:36] <knome> #action GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles
[17:36] <meetingology> ACTION: GridCube to gather a list of problems with QA tracker and get back to knome/QA tracker responsibles
[17:36] <knome> #subtopic General updates
[17:36] <knome> anything elese?
[17:36] <knome> -e
[17:37] <GridCube> :D i got a nice present by pleia2 with xubuntu stickers :P
[17:37] <knome> me too. thanks pleia2!
[17:37] <GridCube> i don't know if thats relevant but i liked them :D
[17:37] <pleia2> you're welcome :)
[17:37] <knome> not really something for the meeting minutes, but yeah
[17:37] <knome> #info No other updates for now.
[17:38] <knome> #topic Review blueprints that need community approval
[17:38] <knome> #subtopic New wallpaper (knome)
[17:38] <knome> #info Some drafts are at http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/precise_wall/
[17:38] <knome> #info Feedback and ideas are welcome, PM knome or send email
[17:39] <knome> #info Will get back to this thing later
[17:39] <GridCube> :) i like the last one
[17:39] <knome> #subtopic Ubiquity "application sets"
[17:39] <knome> #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/UbiquityApplicationSets
[17:40] <knome> #info If you know accessibility packages well, please list them at the wikipage so we know what we should install with the accessibility set but not with the others
[17:40] <knome> #info Voting for the specification in the next meeting
[17:40] <knome> #subtopic Default shortcut keys (Sysi)
[17:41] <knome> he doesn't seem to be online
[17:41] <knome> #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/DefaultShortcutKeys. Please add comments to the comments section.
[17:41] <knome> #info Will get back to this item later
[17:41] <knome> #subtopic Clean themes list (knome)
[17:42] <knome> #info Specification at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Precise/CleanThemes
[17:42] <knome> #info Please add comments to the comments section.
[17:43] <knome> #info Voting and more discussion about single themes in the next meeting
[17:43] <knome> #topic Discussion and guidance on any other blueprints
[17:43] <knome> #info Default media player -blueprint is postponed to P+1
[17:43] <knome> anything else?
[17:44] <GridCube> no, just sorry for not gettingit on time
[17:44] <knome> no problem
[17:44] <knome> + i was referring to possible need for help with other blueprints ;)
[17:44] <GridCube> :)
[17:45] <knome> #subtopic Any other business
[17:45] <knome> #action knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP
[17:45] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to update the meetings wikipage with the minutes ASAP
[17:45] <knome> #endmeeting
[17:45] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Dec 29 17:45:46 2011 UTC.  
[17:45] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-12-29-17.03.moin.txt
[17:45] <knome> thanks
[17:46] <knome> i'll update the wiki later today
[17:46] <pleia2> thanks
[17:46] <knome> also, i need to go for now :)
[17:46] <knome> see you later
[17:46] <knome> PM works
[18:12] <Unit193> Oh, meeting
[18:15] <knome> Oh, gone
[18:15] <knome> :P
[18:15] <knome> and me too
[18:15] <knome> the minutes are up at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings/
[18:16]  * pleia2 adds to UWN
[18:16] <knome> nice :)
[18:16] <knome> pleia2, the fridge calendar is for meetings in #ubuntu-meeting only, right?
[18:17] <pleia2> knome: nah, you just set the location: to be whereever the meeting is if not in #ubuntu-meeting
[18:17] <knome> a-ha, okay
[18:18] <pleia2> let me know if you add something, or needs something changed, I recently was granted fridge calendar editing powers
[18:18] <pleia2> (so I can approve or change things people submit)
[18:18] <knome> pleia2, the next meeting ;)
[18:19] <knome> let me add that first
[18:22] <knome> pleia2, how do i even propose an item?
[18:22] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Fridge/Calendar
[18:23] <pleia2> (that link is on http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendars/fridge/ - I should probably add it to /calendars too)
[18:25] <knome> seems to appear in fridge now
[19:49] <scott-work> knome: sorry i missed the meeting earlier :(
[19:49] <scott-work> been a very busy day
[22:16] <olbi> hello
[22:16] <olbi> some1 know why exo 0.7.0 drops binding tu python?