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jrmyI'm thinking I'm really gonna like 11.1004:14
jrmythe cd installation is much more friendly and vivid04:14
jrmyalmost reminds me of windows xp04:14
jrmyso I hope one day xubuntu can get community pages as advanced and knowledgable as the ubuntu  community pages (help pages)04:16
Unit193They are mostly compatible04:18
jrmybut when it comes to advanced thinsg they aren't04:19
jrmyat least as far as anything else I've tried to learn04:19
jrmyI do want to become a better linux user... I just seem to hit a wall though04:20
jrmyand I liek xfce too much to use ubuntu04:20
jrmybut it has been 3 months since I've checked anythign out04:21
Unit193jrmy: I use either the wiki pages, forum posts, ArchWiki (yeah, I know), and generally google04:21
jrmybut if I can chat on irc while my installation is happening thinsg are going in teh right direction lol04:21
jrmyjust want things more user friendly I suppose.. but that is how most people did things and still do04:22
jrmytoo many interests to try harder then I want to04:23
josh9all the menu items are in japanese. what package do i need to make them appear in english?06:19
holsteinis this helpful josh9 ? http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/setting-languages/06:20
josh9holstein: will take a look. thanks!06:28
josh9holstein: the isssue i have, i uninstalled somethnig and now i don't have Applications->System->Language Support.06:29
josh9so i need a package to make it available from the menu.06:29
josh9i think it's called 'language support' in 'software center'06:33
nanotubehowdy y'all :)07:09
nanotubeis it just me, or does the default desktop settings panel not allow you to set dual monitors side by side, rather than in mirroring mode? i had to use xrandr from cli to get it to do what i want.07:10
Unit193There is also arandr07:10
nanotubeah cool, didn't know about that one. but i'm ok with the cli version. :) i made a nice script to do what i need.07:12
nanotubemainly, just wondering if there are plans to make the desktop setting panel support it07:12
Unit193I'm sure you're meaning more than http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/12/how-to-dual-monitor-setup-on-xfce.html and with that I do not know as I don't have the ability to use dual monitors :/07:15
nanotubeUnit193: i don't have the options described in that page (and yes, i saw that when i googled :) )07:17
nanotubemy panel looks a lot ... barer.07:17
nanotubei just have two displays, and for each of them i have a checkbox for 'use this output', then resolution, refresh, rotation, and reflection07:18
nanotubeno position07:18
Unit193Weird, I just checked and I have it :/07:18
nanotubeUnit193: care for a screenshot? :P07:19
nanotube(i just installed xubuntu-desktop on oneiric here, so ... this is pretty fresh stuff here, presumably)07:19
Unit193Heh, that's going to be a tad awkward (pic in a sec, don't laugh)07:20
nanotubeer... haha? ;)07:21
Unit193nanotube: http://ubuntuone.com/0zI2gz5pbNSulxgVZqJ01o07:21
_Pete_here's my quite fresh install also http://corei7.serveirc.com/~petria/tmp/benchmarkkia.png07:21
_Pete_screenshots are always nice :)07:21
nanotubeUnit193: oh... settings /editor/, that's a separate thing from settings /manager/ is it eh heh heh *blush*07:22
Unit193nanotube: Yep07:22
nanotubeok then, never mind, carry on. haha sorry for the disturbance07:23
Unit193Don't worry, I'me sure I have/will do it someday in "your" channel too07:24
nanotubehehe well, not sure if it'll be you, but yea, happens every day :)07:29
* nanotube finally got fed up with unity (buggy, and poor separation between workspaces), so giving xubuntu a shot. so far so good, given 30 minutes worth of experience. :)07:30
nanotubegave unity a fair shot over ... 2 weeks or so, some parts grew on me, others not so much.07:31
Unit193Did you do a !purexfce? And mind a screenshot? (Not seen a Unity > Xfce transfer, should look off :P )07:31
nanotubei just apt-get installed xubuntu-desktop07:32
nanotubeand sure, i'll screenshot. other than adding a few extra desktops, i haven't touched it, so it should be in default condition07:33
nanotubehttp://imgur.com/QMWLb07:37
Unit193Oh, nice. If only I had that screen space07:40
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rhin0dbus-daemon sucking up all my processor on xubuntu 11.10 - dell inspiron laptop -- have posted about it to forums here (describing) ... help help help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190169108:40
_Pete_rhin0: I suggest you use dbus-monitor08:43
_Pete_and see what's going on there08:43
rhin0whats that please08:43
rhin0I install it?08:43
_Pete_I think it is installed by default08:43
_Pete_it's commandline tool which shows messages going in dbus08:43
rhin0i just typed dbus-monitor and it scrolls through a load of garbage]08:43
_Pete_that "garbage" is what is doing the cpu load08:44
_Pete_can you but some of that to pastebin.com08:44
rhin0is it www.pastebin.com?08:45
rhin0ok08:45
_Pete_http://pastebin.com/08:45
rhin01sorry -- who was I talking to -- just shut down (system running hot)08:47
_Pete_me08:48
rhin01ok thanks _Pete_08:48
rhin01right -- http://pastebin.com/ZPExjxKr08:48
rhin01all that scrolling fast past08:48
rhin01seems to say volumemonitor a lot08:48
rhin01do you want more of it08:49
_Pete_is that same stuff repeating over and over what is in pastebin ?08:49
rhin01yes08:49
rhin01its scrolling and scrolling08:49
rhin01another sample: http://pastebin.com/6ymuWrK408:50
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_Pete_org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor08:50
_Pete_dont know exactly what that is08:50
_Pete_but the messages seems to go there08:50
_Pete_I sugges google that and see08:50
rhin0ok  - thats a start08:51
rhin0its a pain because i am sort of backed into a corner with xubuntu08:52
rhin0nothing else runs on my hardware successfully (and now I have this)08:52
rhin0I need this sorting08:53
TheSheepI would guess that something is indexing your photos on a connected camera or so it thinks08:54
rhin0i did plug a camera in once08:54
rhin0to charge it08:54
rhin0and it sort of -- it did reference the drive08:54
rhin0maybe I re-install and don't do that again???08:54
rhin0i mean  -- have no idea how to stop this08:54
rhin0I always just "fresh install"08:54
rhin0the install I am pretty sure was not doing this initially08:54
rhin0why do you think it is the camera "remotevolumemonitor"08:55
rhin0the camera is not connected now08:55
rhin0ah GPhoto2VolumeMonitor08:55
TheSheepyou could just kill that procsess08:56
TheSheepfind it in the system monitor08:56
rhin0http://pastebin.com/EBp0RuPm  <- help I just killed it but it re-appeared08:57
rhin0someone stop me from just going "rm  /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor"08:58
TheSheepthat's ok, did it stop the dbus silliness?08:58
rhin0no08:58
rhin0because the process keeps re-appearing08:58
TheSheepdid you try googling it?08:59
rhin0I typed kill (that proc name) and then it08:59
rhin0comes back up again08:59
TheSheepyou don;t kill by name08:59
TheSheepyou kill by pid08:59
rhin0i killed by pid08:59
rhin0its in the pastebin (what I did)08:59
_Pete_gvfs-mount -li08:59
_Pete_does that show something about your camera?09:00
rhin0http://pastebin.com/xkUabygM  no i just get this09:01
rhin0looking (googling) ways to stop this gvfs thing09:02
rhin0maybe about to try: "killall gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor  .... then " chmod -x /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor"09:03
TheSheeprhin0: it would be better to find the real reason it's misbehaving09:04
rhin0i'd rather just get rid09:04
rhin0than diagnose some stupid problem with something I don't use09:04
rhin0#I do not need the camera for photos I juszt use the alarm09:04
TheSheepif you do 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor' it will tell you from which package it is09:04
TheSheepthen you can uninstall that package09:05
rhin0gvfs-backends09:06
rhin0gvfs is a userspace virtual filesystem where mount runs as a separate09:06
rhin0processes which you talk to via D-Bus. It also contains a gio module09:06
rhin0that seamlessly adds gvfs support to all applications using the gio09:06
rhin0will this screw things up09:06
rhin0somebody said on google it is part of things09:06
TheSheepyeah :/09:06
TheSheepI was hoping it would be in a separate package09:07
rhin0i'm going to re-install then throw the camera out of the window09:10
rhin0this crap is only loading I think because I plugged the camera in?09:10
TheSheeprhin0: I don't think so09:11
TheSheeprhin0: that was a wild guess, and it's not very likely09:11
rhin0cpu loading started somehwere09:11
rhin0initial install -- all ok09:11
TheSheeprhin0: you don't remember when?09:12
rhin0the g is "filing system"09:12
rhin0it loaded the "g" filing system to get to the camera09:12
rhin0gvfs09:12
TheSheepfrom the dbus messages it looks like something is changing its owner all the time :/09:13
TheSheepyou don't have any script that does 'chown' automatically or anything?09:13
rhin0no09:15
rhin0removing "gvfs" (that package)09:15
TheSheepyou could try looking what that gphoto monitor does09:16
TheSheepwith 'strace -p PID_OF_THAT_PROCESS'09:16
TheSheepit's going to be a lot of stuff probably09:16
rhin0reooting brb09:17
rhin0i'm going to re-install and hope that it was just the camera09:21
rhin0the fact it started trying to do crap witha  camera/filing system gv fs whatever09:21
rhin0because something started this -- must have been that09:22
rhin0some crud it's loaded09:22
rhin0or started loading09:22
rhin0bbl09:22
TheSheepgvfs is a general-purpose virtual filesystem thing09:22
TheSheepbah09:22
rhin0why does nfs work so slowly09:35
rhin0sometimes slow sometimes fast -- i'm getting like 10kb/s09:35
rhin0hang on it does speed up09:35
SysiI guess it's your network, or server09:36
rhin0i set up nfs with optimal settings -- it's just the way nfs works -- kicks in saying 20 minutes for 11mb directory -- now its down to 28 seconds09:36
rhin0is ok09:36
froes_hi guys.. how can i install  libmp4v2-dev  on oneiric 11.10 ???10:19
aLeSDyeah10:28
_Pete_froes_: you can't since no packet with that name exists10:32
froes__Pete_, i am trying to install fuppes on oneiric, but cant seem to be able to install with mp4 support without that lib10:33
_Pete_what about avoiding all hassle and trying some other upnp server which doesnt need to be compiled?10:36
_Pete_but looks intresting tough10:36
Sysifroes_: find out what file(s) it wants and search with "apt-file search $FILE"10:40
froes__Pete_, i have tried..but couldnt find one with live transcoding and registering to the microsoft networks services10:41
_Pete_maybe you can build it yourself10:41
_Pete_https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpeg4ip/1:1.6dfsg-0.2ubuntu910:42
froes_quat is the difference mpegip vs mp4v2 ?10:42
Sysiat least name10:43
froes_compiled and installed from here seems now fuppes has mp4 support10:46
froes_http://code.google.com/p/mp4v2/downloads/list10:46
froes_but it gives me simage not installed now.. but it is10:47
_Pete_froes_: just tried my self11:04
_Pete_after you build & install that google mp4v211:04
_Pete_and then configure fobbes11:04
_Pete_I get11:04
_Pete_mpeg4ip/mp4v2      : enabled  (mp4/m4a)11:04
froes__Pete_, but i am still getting the no mp4 on faad11:05
froes_strange11:05
froes_and simage is not being detected either11:06
_Pete_I get like this11:06
_Pete_http://pastebin.com/2DsrJ4nc11:06
_Pete_followed these http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/wiki/index.php?title=Compiling_on_Ubuntu_Linux11:07
_Pete_and did take src from svn11:07
froes__Pete_, i am following those same steps and this is how i get http://pastebin.com/kdEZbkDa11:11
froes__Pete_, its a brand new oneiric installation11:12
froes_and if you take a look.. the faad has mp4 support disabled ? :S11:12
_Pete_hmm right11:13
froes_and as if libsimage was not installed too11:14
froes_but it is installed11:14
froes_this is my proiblem i think http://pastebin.com/M2iw5t6f11:25
froes_but i have simage-config version 1.7.011:26
froes_used simage-config ==version11:26
_Pete_froes_: faad       : yes (aac/mp4/m4a)11:29
_Pete_after installing11:29
_Pete_http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.musicpd.devel/163111:29
froes__Pete_, could you check which version of simage you have installed?11:29
_Pete_1.7.0-1.111:29
_Pete_froes_: did you do that Install depencies which is in compiling wiki?11:32
froes__Pete_, yeap... all of them under the 10.0411:33
froes_now my problem is only the simage11:36
froes__Pete_, thanks for the tip on the mp4ffo11:36
_Pete_and you sure have  libsimage-dev11:36
froes_libsimage-dev is already the newest version.11:39
froes_it seems it cant find simage-config11:41
froes__Pete_, what does "simage-config --libs" gives you ? mine gives http://pastebin.com/N93dpU2Y11:47
_Pete_k$ simage-config --libs11:48
_Pete_-lsimage -logg -lvorbis -lvorbisfile -ltiff -lpng -lz -ljpeg -lgif -lungif -lm11:48
froes_same as mine.11:57
froes_it can only be the version of simage i think... mine is 1.7.0 yours id 1.7.0-1.111:58
_Pete_I am running 11.10 amd6411:58
froes_me to11:59
froes_too11:59
froes_fresh new server installation12:00
_Pete_Filename: pool/universe/s/simage/libsimage-dev_1.7.0-1.1_amd64.deb12:00
_Pete_for apt-cache show12:00
froes_mine is the same http://pastebin.com/AKNUadfP12:02
_Pete_then you have same version12:04
_Pete_dpkg -l | grep simage12:04
_Pete_= 1.7.0-1.1 ?12:04
froes__Pete_, yeap12:06
froes_did you do anything besides "  autoreconf -vfi  "  ??12:07
_Pete_then I guess the image libraries itself are not installed12:07
_Pete_simage is just wrapper lib which uses those12:07
froes_so i need to install libpng-dev libjped-dev ... ?12:08
_Pete_and also corresponding without -dev12:08
_Pete_dpkg -l | grep libpng12:09
_Pete_I have libpng12-0 and libpng12-dev12:09
_Pete_for example12:09
_Pete_I guess those are not installed in server version by default12:09
froes_those i have.. will try for every one of those12:13
xubuntu361Salve a tutti12:22
xubuntu361Novizio di xubuntu12:23
xubuntu361Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?12:23
froes__Pete_, well, i guess i`ll leave that one alone. but do you know how i can create a .deb after compiling do it can be easily uninstalled afterwards ?12:24
xubuntu361Hello everybody, installed right now xubuntu 11.10 but it can't recognize any wireless connection, any advice?Thanks12:27
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_Pete_froes_: if the source package doesnt have debian/ stuff doing those are pretty complicated12:37
_Pete_or maybe like this http://www.quietearth.us/articles/2006/08/16/Building-deb-package-from-source12:38
_Pete_froes_: looks like fuppes have thos already12:43
_Pete_so you can get .deb doing: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot12:43
Marzatacan you install 12.04?12:51
froes_ls12:59
froes_ls12:59
nanotubeUnit193: hehe yea, screenspace is nice. :) (and monitors are relatively cheap these days, so you can have it too for only 100 bucks or so :) )14:43
zacariasmy audio cd's don't play. When I insert a CD, it opens Banshee, but it doesn't show on the dektop or the devices list and it doesn't play14:44
TheSheepzacarias: audio cds won't show on the desktop, they don't have a filesystem on them14:46
TheSheepzacarias: so that part is normal14:46
TheSheepzacarias: I'm not sure banshee can play audio cds14:46
* nanotube would be surprised if it can't.... that said, i haven't popped a cd in a cd drive in years...14:47
zacariasTheSheep: but I tried with rythmbox, it's the same14:52
Marzatavlc plays them all14:54
fivedaysaheadvlc should work14:56
fivedaysaheadhow do i set a x11vnc script at login?14:57
zacariasMarzata: yes, that's right, it works with vlc. It's really great this vlc, for everything!14:59
fivedaysaheadvlc for the win love it15:00
holsteinfivedaysahead: i just put them in 'startup'15:04
holsteinwhatever scripts15:04
Gravis1have you guys noticed that ubuntu software center has stopped working?15:14
_DeLa_ question: Is ubuntu tweak recommended for Xubuntu as well?15:14
_DeLa_Gravis1: mine seems to be still working....15:14
Gravis1xubuntu 11.10 ?15:15
holsteinGravis1: you could have another package manager running.. like the update manager15:15
Gravis1i dont :)15:15
Gravis1it just doesnt work anymore15:15
Gravis1standard install15:15
Gravis1standard packages etc15:15
Gravis1no tweaks15:15
holstein_DeLa_: AFAIK, tweak is *not* recommended for any *buntu15:15
_Pete_what is this tweak?15:16
_DeLa_holstein: seems to be a lot of peoples opinion :)15:16
holstein_DeLa_: well, its not opinion on the part of official ubuntu support15:17
holsteini have used it, and i like the PPA purge capabilities, but AFAIK, its a ban topic15:17
Gravis1oh nvm the software center loads now15:17
_DeLa_holstein: yeah, the ppa adding features would be nice,  the rest...oh well...15:19
holsteindan64: if you are asking, will it work with xubuntu like it will with ubuntu, theres no reason it wont, but its not "supported"15:20
fivedaysaheadhow do i add a login script to lightdm? so i can start x11vnc before login?15:20
holsteinbut as far as tweak is concerned, *buntu is supported15:20
holsteinfivedaysahead: when i was reading about that, you had to run it as root, and i didnt like that15:21
holsteinmaybe check out http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/howto-start-vncserver-before-login-177406/15:22
fivedaysaheadthanks will take a look15:22
Gravis1holstein: however, what it does you can do in the terminal yourself15:22
holsteinGravis1: it?15:24
holsteinGravis1: ppa purge?15:24
holsteinubuntu tweak?... keep in mind, im not the one with "the tweak query"15:24
Gravis1holstein: there is an program for ppa purging too15:24
Gravis1holstein: also i know you werent hehe15:25
holsteintheres ppa purge, that i assume tweak uses on the back end15:25
holsteini have only used the GUI so far15:25
Gravis1kinda limited what i use in gui hehe15:25
holsteinhttp://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/ppa-purge-added-to-official-ubuntu-1010.html15:26
Gravis1gui is scary.. like right now.. 1 nicks in here15:26
Gravis12 nicks*15:26
Gravis1dunno how, connected via pidgin15:26
* holstein on irssi in screen15:27
Gravis1this was just a quick connect :)15:28
fivedaysaheadin the lightdm.conf i see display-setup-script = Script to run when starting a greeter session (runs as root)15:28
Gravis1i use irssi for irc too15:28
fivedaysaheadshould i make that an .sh script or do you think i can just type any old command there?15:28
holsteinfivedaysahead: i would make sure i know how to edit that from a live CD assuming it breaks something and wont boot, then i would probably tinker.. but im a tinkerer15:31
fivedaysaheadthakns15:32
kj4hello all17:57
fivedaysaheadhello18:07
Marzatahello19:32
jrmyso19:47
jrmywhoops19:47
jrmyso I was wondering if anyone knows of a channel on freenode that would possibly help set my computer hardware properly.. because it's been freezing19:48
jrmyunless I should just google everything.. but it's gotta be something to be with something not being set right.. everything else seems to check otu ok19:48
_Pete_it's possibly #magiccrhystalballowners19:49
Unit193Well, there is ##hardware, but I've never been to that. You can search freenode channels /msg alis help list19:49
lightahi guys20:13
lightaI have some issue with the route table. Since I connected to a server via vpn those route keep poping up even if I don't connect20:14
go8765 hello.can anybody help me with seamonky? when I run chatzilla it fall down20:57
Marzatawhy dont you use just firefox21:00
Marzataand chat with Xchat21:00
go8765Marzata, I use it e-mail clent :)21:01
go8765ершы шы дщп - http://paste.ubuntu.com/787226/21:02
go8765*this is log21:02
Marzatacant you use just Thunderbird, блин?21:03
go8765Marzata, dont remember why, but I like seamonky klient more, тыщь21:04
MarzataSeaMonkey uses old code and tends to cracks21:05
go8765Ooo... I use old version :) I try to upgrade it at first :)21:20
xubuntu783alguien sabe si es posible activar compiz en xubuntu?22:01
Unit193!es | xubuntu78322:02
ubottuxubuntu783: En la mayoría de canales de Ubuntu se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español o charlar entra en el canal #xubuntu-es. Escribe "/join #xubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y dale a enter. Si nadie responde allí puedes intentar preguntando en #ubuntu-es.22:02
Unit193IIRC, you can get Compiz to work though22:02
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nanotubeyea i understand all that's needed is to install the compiz packages, then run compiz --replace. haven't tried it myself yet, even though i already have all the compiz stuff, coming from regular ubuntu. :)22:21
w30the only problem with Xfce4 is that compiz does not have a window decorator to call up. You need gtk-window-decorator emerald or gnome-window decorator22:30
nanotubethere's also compiz-decorator22:30
nanotubecomes by default22:31
holsteinnanotube: didnt work by default22:31
holsteinw30 and i have made xubuntu use compiz22:31
holsteinyou'll need to do some work for the window decorations22:32
w30/usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator --metacity-theme CopperDeck --replace   in the window decorator section  will work. CopperDeck being replaced with a gtk theme that contains a window border22:32
nanotubehm well... thanks for the heads-up, then. :) maybe i'll give it a try after i eat. though i'm really not that hung up on the fancy effects. most of them are pretty useless.22:32
w30lots of gtk themes don't have their own borders though22:33
w30nanotube, how do you feed different window borders into compiz-decorator?22:34
nanotubeno idea, i haven't tried it. was just noting that that's the default for compiz on oneiric, and it works when running gnome+unity.22:35
nanotubei just installed xubuntu-desktop last night22:35
nanotubebecause after giving unity a fair shake for a couple weeks, i gave up on it22:35
nanotubeso... i haven't played much with it yet22:36
w30nanotube, I always get can't find Alwanda theme or something like that.22:36
nanotubebeen afk most of the day today too.22:36
nanotubei'll let you know what happens when i run compiz --replace without doing anything else22:36
w30google found several sites with emerald deb's that work but there is no Ubuntu repo emerald22:37
* w30 happy with emerald now *smile*22:38
klemmerjNew to Xubuntu - Quick Q on Xubuntu desktop icons: The default seems to be to have everything in $HOME on the desktop.  How does one change this so that only the default icons and items in the $HOME/Desktop dir are visible?22:44
Marzatahuh?22:56
w30 klemmerj hmmm........I have installed xubuntu proly 7 or 8 times and always got Dsktop as my Desktop.23:11
w30Desktop as Desktop23:11
* w30 only know that he hates gnome3 and unity. Right now, dual booting xubuntu and kubuntu.23:38
Marzataw30: why kubuntu?23:39
koleoptero_w30 me too23:40
koleoptero_lol23:40
* w30 leaning towards xubuntu. It seems KDE is awfully structured into their way and is probably resource heavy. I do have a big block v8 though.23:41
macman__kubuntu barely runs in virtualbox23:42
w30I hate most the application menu's that take up two desktops to display 5 apps23:42
koleoptero_you can make it like a classic menu23:42
macman__it is also known to use more power than any other window manager23:43
koleoptero_disable blur and it uses less lol23:43
macman__good advice :-)23:43
w30macman__, no problem; I can throw a couple of cpu's at it .23:44
macman__i admit, kde 4 does look pretty cool, but seems to throw up alot of crashes on my dads system23:45
Unit193Mind taking this to #xubuntu-offtopic ?23:45
Marzatastill can't install Xubu 12.04 in VB?23:46
w30macman__, now doubt all that Plasma fancy graphics costs.23:46
w30Unit193, sure; sorry it's really busy in here :=)23:48
macman__i have never used xubuntu but came here after recommendaton by linus :-)23:48
macman__i downloaded an early beta of 11.10 but it didn't install in virtualbox23:51
Marzata11.10 installs anyway.23:54
macman__cool, i'll dl it then :-) thanks23:54
Marzatawe have xubu 11.10 running on all our production machines. everybody loves it.23:56
projekt26I wanted to donate a few dollars to the xubuntu projekt but I couldn't find a donation option on neither the xubuntu nor the xfce site23:56
projekt26am I not looking hard enough?23:56
projekt26or is it because donations should go directly to ubuntu?23:57
Marzatano need to tweak anything like the latest versions of ubuntu. install the OS few cosmetics, and then just install sw.23:57
macman__what is the deafault chat client?23:57
Marzataprojekt26: xubuntu team dont receive financials from canonical.23:58
Marzatamacman__: Xchat IRC, but of coz you can install irssi23:58
macman__i use quassel, is that better?23:58
projekt26so why is there no option to donate? I could understand they don't want donations because most of the work is done by other people. but unfortunately there is no such option for xfce either it seems23:59
Marzatamacman__: dunno. I think irssi is the best.23:59
w30best to install Synaptic and then go hog wild and install whatever trips your trigger.23:59
macman__ok, thanks. does it support roll back?23:59

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