[04:14] <jrmy> I'm thinking I'm really gonna like 11.10
[04:14] <jrmy> the cd installation is much more friendly and vivid
[04:14] <jrmy> almost reminds me of windows xp
[04:16] <jrmy> so I hope one day xubuntu can get community pages as advanced and knowledgable as the ubuntu  community pages (help pages)
[04:18] <Unit193> They are mostly compatible
[04:19] <jrmy> but when it comes to advanced thinsg they aren't
[04:19] <jrmy> at least as far as anything else I've tried to learn
[04:20] <jrmy> I do want to become a better linux user... I just seem to hit a wall though
[04:20] <jrmy> and I liek xfce too much to use ubuntu
[04:21] <jrmy> but it has been 3 months since I've checked anythign out
[04:21] <Unit193> jrmy: I use either the wiki pages, forum posts, ArchWiki (yeah, I know), and generally google
[04:21] <jrmy> but if I can chat on irc while my installation is happening thinsg are going in teh right direction lol
[04:22] <jrmy> just want things more user friendly I suppose.. but that is how most people did things and still do
[04:23] <jrmy> too many interests to try harder then I want to
[06:19] <josh9> all the menu items are in japanese. what package do i need to make them appear in english?
[06:20] <holstein> is this helpful josh9 ? http://xubuntublog.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/setting-languages/
[06:28] <josh9> holstein: will take a look. thanks!
[06:29] <josh9> holstein: the isssue i have, i uninstalled somethnig and now i don't have Applications->System->Language Support.
[06:29] <josh9> so i need a package to make it available from the menu.
[06:33] <josh9> i think it's called 'language support' in 'software center'
[07:09] <nanotube> howdy y'all :)
[07:10] <nanotube> is it just me, or does the default desktop settings panel not allow you to set dual monitors side by side, rather than in mirroring mode? i had to use xrandr from cli to get it to do what i want.
[07:10] <Unit193> There is also arandr
[07:12] <nanotube> ah cool, didn't know about that one. but i'm ok with the cli version. :) i made a nice script to do what i need.
[07:12] <nanotube> mainly, just wondering if there are plans to make the desktop setting panel support it
[07:15] <Unit193> I'm sure you're meaning more than http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/12/how-to-dual-monitor-setup-on-xfce.html and with that I do not know as I don't have the ability to use dual monitors :/
[07:17] <nanotube> Unit193: i don't have the options described in that page (and yes, i saw that when i googled :) )
[07:17] <nanotube> my panel looks a lot ... barer.
[07:18] <nanotube> i just have two displays, and for each of them i have a checkbox for 'use this output', then resolution, refresh, rotation, and reflection
[07:18] <nanotube> no position
[07:18] <Unit193> Weird, I just checked and I have it :/
[07:19] <nanotube> Unit193: care for a screenshot? :P
[07:19] <nanotube> (i just installed xubuntu-desktop on oneiric here, so ... this is pretty fresh stuff here, presumably)
[07:20] <Unit193> Heh, that's going to be a tad awkward (pic in a sec, don't laugh)
[07:21] <nanotube> er... haha? ;)
[07:21] <Unit193> nanotube: http://ubuntuone.com/0zI2gz5pbNSulxgVZqJ01o
[07:21] <_Pete_> here's my quite fresh install also http://corei7.serveirc.com/~petria/tmp/benchmarkkia.png
[07:21] <_Pete_> screenshots are always nice :)
[07:22] <nanotube> Unit193: oh... settings /editor/, that's a separate thing from settings /manager/ is it eh heh heh *blush*
[07:22] <Unit193> nanotube: Yep
[07:23] <nanotube> ok then, never mind, carry on. haha sorry for the disturbance
[07:24] <Unit193> Don't worry, I'me sure I have/will do it someday in "your" channel too
[07:29] <nanotube> hehe well, not sure if it'll be you, but yea, happens every day :)
[07:30]  * nanotube finally got fed up with unity (buggy, and poor separation between workspaces), so giving xubuntu a shot. so far so good, given 30 minutes worth of experience. :)
[07:31] <nanotube> gave unity a fair shot over ... 2 weeks or so, some parts grew on me, others not so much.
[07:31] <Unit193> Did you do a !purexfce? And mind a screenshot? (Not seen a Unity > Xfce transfer, should look off :P )
[07:32] <nanotube> i just apt-get installed xubuntu-desktop
[07:33] <nanotube> and sure, i'll screenshot. other than adding a few extra desktops, i haven't touched it, so it should be in default condition
[07:37] <nanotube> http://imgur.com/QMWLb
[07:40] <Unit193> Oh, nice. If only I had that screen space
[08:40] <rhin0> dbus-daemon sucking up all my processor on xubuntu 11.10 - dell inspiron laptop -- have posted about it to forums here (describing) ... help help help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1901691
[08:43] <_Pete_> rhin0: I suggest you use dbus-monitor
[08:43] <_Pete_> and see what's going on there
[08:43] <rhin0> whats that please
[08:43] <rhin0> I install it?
[08:43] <_Pete_> I think it is installed by default
[08:43] <_Pete_> it's commandline tool which shows messages going in dbus
[08:43] <rhin0> i just typed dbus-monitor and it scrolls through a load of garbage]
[08:44] <_Pete_> that "garbage" is what is doing the cpu load
[08:44] <_Pete_> can you but some of that to pastebin.com
[08:45] <rhin0> is it www.pastebin.com?
[08:45] <rhin0> ok
[08:45] <_Pete_> http://pastebin.com/
[08:47] <rhin01> sorry -- who was I talking to -- just shut down (system running hot)
[08:48] <_Pete_> me
[08:48] <rhin01> ok thanks _Pete_
[08:48] <rhin01> right -- http://pastebin.com/ZPExjxKr
[08:48] <rhin01> all that scrolling fast past
[08:48] <rhin01> seems to say volumemonitor a lot
[08:49] <rhin01> do you want more of it
[08:49] <_Pete_> is that same stuff repeating over and over what is in pastebin ?
[08:49] <rhin01> yes
[08:49] <rhin01> its scrolling and scrolling
[08:50] <rhin01> another sample: http://pastebin.com/6ymuWrK4
[08:50] <_Pete_> org.gtk.Private.RemoteVolumeMonitor
[08:50] <_Pete_> dont know exactly what that is
[08:50] <_Pete_> but the messages seems to go there
[08:50] <_Pete_> I sugges google that and see
[08:51] <rhin0> ok  - thats a start
[08:52] <rhin0> its a pain because i am sort of backed into a corner with xubuntu
[08:52] <rhin0> nothing else runs on my hardware successfully (and now I have this)
[08:53] <rhin0> I need this sorting
[08:54] <TheSheep> I would guess that something is indexing your photos on a connected camera or so it thinks
[08:54] <rhin0> i did plug a camera in once
[08:54] <rhin0> to charge it
[08:54] <rhin0> and it sort of -- it did reference the drive
[08:54] <rhin0> maybe I re-install and don't do that again???
[08:54] <rhin0> i mean  -- have no idea how to stop this
[08:54] <rhin0> I always just "fresh install"
[08:54] <rhin0> the install I am pretty sure was not doing this initially
[08:55] <rhin0> why do you think it is the camera "remotevolumemonitor"
[08:55] <rhin0> the camera is not connected now
[08:55] <rhin0> ah GPhoto2VolumeMonitor
[08:56] <TheSheep> you could just kill that procsess
[08:56] <TheSheep> find it in the system monitor
[08:57] <rhin0> http://pastebin.com/EBp0RuPm  <- help I just killed it but it re-appeared
[08:58] <rhin0> someone stop me from just going "rm  /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor"
[08:58] <TheSheep> that's ok, did it stop the dbus silliness?
[08:58] <rhin0> no
[08:58] <rhin0> because the process keeps re-appearing
[08:59] <TheSheep> did you try googling it?
[08:59] <rhin0> I typed kill (that proc name) and then it
[08:59] <rhin0> comes back up again
[08:59] <TheSheep> you don;t kill by name
[08:59] <TheSheep> you kill by pid
[08:59] <rhin0> i killed by pid
[08:59] <rhin0> its in the pastebin (what I did)
[08:59] <_Pete_> gvfs-mount -li
[09:00] <_Pete_> does that show something about your camera?
[09:01] <rhin0> http://pastebin.com/xkUabygM  no i just get this
[09:02] <rhin0> looking (googling) ways to stop this gvfs thing
[09:03] <rhin0> maybe about to try: "killall gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor  .... then " chmod -x /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor"
[09:04] <TheSheep> rhin0: it would be better to find the real reason it's misbehaving
[09:04] <rhin0> i'd rather just get rid
[09:04] <rhin0> than diagnose some stupid problem with something I don't use
[09:04] <rhin0> #I do not need the camera for photos I juszt use the alarm
[09:04] <TheSheep> if you do 'dpkg -S /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor' it will tell you from which package it is
[09:05] <TheSheep> then you can uninstall that package
[09:06] <rhin0> gvfs-backends
[09:06] <rhin0> gvfs is a userspace virtual filesystem where mount runs as a separate
[09:06] <rhin0> processes which you talk to via D-Bus. It also contains a gio module
[09:06] <rhin0> that seamlessly adds gvfs support to all applications using the gio
[09:06] <rhin0> will this screw things up
[09:06] <rhin0> somebody said on google it is part of things
[09:06] <TheSheep> yeah :/
[09:07] <TheSheep> I was hoping it would be in a separate package
[09:10] <rhin0> i'm going to re-install then throw the camera out of the window
[09:10] <rhin0> this crap is only loading I think because I plugged the camera in?
[09:11] <TheSheep> rhin0: I don't think so
[09:11] <TheSheep> rhin0: that was a wild guess, and it's not very likely
[09:11] <rhin0> cpu loading started somehwere
[09:11] <rhin0> initial install -- all ok
[09:12] <TheSheep> rhin0: you don't remember when?
[09:12] <rhin0> the g is "filing system"
[09:12] <rhin0> it loaded the "g" filing system to get to the camera
[09:12] <rhin0> gvfs
[09:13] <TheSheep> from the dbus messages it looks like something is changing its owner all the time :/
[09:13] <TheSheep> you don't have any script that does 'chown' automatically or anything?
[09:15] <rhin0> no
[09:15] <rhin0> removing "gvfs" (that package)
[09:16] <TheSheep> you could try looking what that gphoto monitor does
[09:16] <TheSheep> with 'strace -p PID_OF_THAT_PROCESS'
[09:16] <TheSheep> it's going to be a lot of stuff probably
[09:17] <rhin0> reooting brb
[09:21] <rhin0> i'm going to re-install and hope that it was just the camera
[09:21] <rhin0> the fact it started trying to do crap witha  camera/filing system gv fs whatever
[09:22] <rhin0> because something started this -- must have been that
[09:22] <rhin0> some crud it's loaded
[09:22] <rhin0> or started loading
[09:22] <rhin0> bbl
[09:22] <TheSheep> gvfs is a general-purpose virtual filesystem thing
[09:22] <TheSheep> bah
[09:35] <rhin0> why does nfs work so slowly
[09:35] <rhin0> sometimes slow sometimes fast -- i'm getting like 10kb/s
[09:35] <rhin0> hang on it does speed up
[09:36] <Sysi> I guess it's your network, or server
[09:36] <rhin0> i set up nfs with optimal settings -- it's just the way nfs works -- kicks in saying 20 minutes for 11mb directory -- now its down to 28 seconds
[09:36] <rhin0> is ok
[10:19] <froes_> hi guys.. how can i install  libmp4v2-dev  on oneiric 11.10 ???
[10:28] <aLeSD> yeah
[10:32] <_Pete_> froes_: you can't since no packet with that name exists
[10:33] <froes_> _Pete_, i am trying to install fuppes on oneiric, but cant seem to be able to install with mp4 support without that lib
[10:36] <_Pete_> what about avoiding all hassle and trying some other upnp server which doesnt need to be compiled?
[10:36] <_Pete_> but looks intresting tough
[10:40] <Sysi> froes_: find out what file(s) it wants and search with "apt-file search $FILE"
[10:41] <froes_> _Pete_, i have tried..but couldnt find one with live transcoding and registering to the microsoft networks services
[10:41] <_Pete_> maybe you can build it yourself
[10:42] <_Pete_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mpeg4ip/1:1.6dfsg-0.2ubuntu9
[10:42] <froes_> quat is the difference mpegip vs mp4v2 ?
[10:43] <Sysi> at least name
[10:46] <froes_> compiled and installed from here seems now fuppes has mp4 support
[10:46] <froes_> http://code.google.com/p/mp4v2/downloads/list
[10:47] <froes_> but it gives me simage not installed now.. but it is
[11:04] <_Pete_> froes_: just tried my self
[11:04] <_Pete_> after you build & install that google mp4v2
[11:04] <_Pete_> and then configure fobbes
[11:04] <_Pete_> I get
[11:04] <_Pete_> mpeg4ip/mp4v2      : enabled  (mp4/m4a)
[11:05] <froes_> _Pete_, but i am still getting the no mp4 on faad
[11:05] <froes_> strange
[11:06] <froes_> and simage is not being detected either
[11:06] <_Pete_> I get like this
[11:06] <_Pete_> http://pastebin.com/2DsrJ4nc
[11:07] <_Pete_> followed these http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/wiki/index.php?title=Compiling_on_Ubuntu_Linux
[11:07] <_Pete_> and did take src from svn
[11:11] <froes_> _Pete_, i am following those same steps and this is how i get http://pastebin.com/kdEZbkDa
[11:12] <froes_> _Pete_, its a brand new oneiric installation
[11:12] <froes_> and if you take a look.. the faad has mp4 support disabled ? :S
[11:13] <_Pete_> hmm right
[11:14] <froes_> and as if libsimage was not installed too
[11:14] <froes_> but it is installed
[11:25] <froes_> this is my proiblem i think http://pastebin.com/M2iw5t6f
[11:26] <froes_> but i have simage-config version 1.7.0
[11:26] <froes_> used simage-config ==version
[11:29] <_Pete_> froes_: faad       : yes (aac/mp4/m4a)
[11:29] <_Pete_> after installing
[11:29] <_Pete_> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.musicpd.devel/1631
[11:29] <froes_> _Pete_, could you check which version of simage you have installed?
[11:29] <_Pete_> 1.7.0-1.1
[11:32] <_Pete_> froes_: did you do that Install depencies which is in compiling wiki?
[11:33] <froes_> _Pete_, yeap... all of them under the 10.04
[11:36] <froes_> now my problem is only the simage
[11:36] <froes_> _Pete_, thanks for the tip on the mp4ffo
[11:36] <_Pete_> and you sure have  libsimage-dev
[11:39] <froes_> libsimage-dev is already the newest version.
[11:41] <froes_> it seems it cant find simage-config
[11:47] <froes_> _Pete_, what does "simage-config --libs" gives you ? mine gives http://pastebin.com/N93dpU2Y
[11:48] <_Pete_> k$ simage-config --libs
[11:48] <_Pete_> -lsimage -logg -lvorbis -lvorbisfile -ltiff -lpng -lz -ljpeg -lgif -lungif -lm
[11:57] <froes_> same as mine.
[11:58] <froes_> it can only be the version of simage i think... mine is 1.7.0 yours id 1.7.0-1.1
[11:58] <_Pete_> I am running 11.10 amd64
[11:59] <froes_> me to
[11:59] <froes_> too
[12:00] <froes_> fresh new server installation
[12:00] <_Pete_> Filename: pool/universe/s/simage/libsimage-dev_1.7.0-1.1_amd64.deb
[12:00] <_Pete_> for apt-cache show
[12:02] <froes_> mine is the same http://pastebin.com/AKNUadfP
[12:04] <_Pete_> then you have same version
[12:04] <_Pete_> dpkg -l | grep simage
[12:04] <_Pete_> = 1.7.0-1.1 ?
[12:06] <froes_> _Pete_, yeap
[12:07] <froes_> did you do anything besides "  autoreconf -vfi  "  ??
[12:07] <_Pete_> then I guess the image libraries itself are not installed
[12:07] <_Pete_> simage is just wrapper lib which uses those
[12:08] <froes_> so i need to install libpng-dev libjped-dev ... ?
[12:08] <_Pete_> and also corresponding without -dev
[12:09] <_Pete_> dpkg -l | grep libpng
[12:09] <_Pete_> I have libpng12-0 and libpng12-dev
[12:09] <_Pete_> for example
[12:09] <_Pete_> I guess those are not installed in server version by default
[12:13] <froes_> those i have.. will try for every one of those
[12:22] <xubuntu361> Salve a tutti
[12:23] <xubuntu361> Novizio di xubuntu
[12:23] <xubuntu361> Qualcuno potrebbe aiutarmi?
[12:24] <froes_> _Pete_, well, i guess i`ll leave that one alone. but do you know how i can create a .deb after compiling do it can be easily uninstalled afterwards ?
[12:27] <xubuntu361> Hello everybody, installed right now xubuntu 11.10 but it can't recognize any wireless connection, any advice?Thanks
[12:37] <_Pete_> froes_: if the source package doesnt have debian/ stuff doing those are pretty complicated
[12:38] <_Pete_> or maybe like this http://www.quietearth.us/articles/2006/08/16/Building-deb-package-from-source
[12:43] <_Pete_> froes_: looks like fuppes have thos already
[12:43] <_Pete_> so you can get .deb doing: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
[12:51] <Marzata> can you install 12.04?
[12:59] <froes_> ls
[12:59] <froes_> ls
[14:43] <nanotube> Unit193: hehe yea, screenspace is nice. :) (and monitors are relatively cheap these days, so you can have it too for only 100 bucks or so :) )
[14:44] <zacarias> my audio cd's don't play. When I insert a CD, it opens Banshee, but it doesn't show on the dektop or the devices list and it doesn't play
[14:46] <TheSheep> zacarias: audio cds won't show on the desktop, they don't have a filesystem on them
[14:46] <TheSheep> zacarias: so that part is normal
[14:46] <TheSheep> zacarias: I'm not sure banshee can play audio cds
[14:47]  * nanotube would be surprised if it can't.... that said, i haven't popped a cd in a cd drive in years...
[14:52] <zacarias> TheSheep: but I tried with rythmbox, it's the same
[14:54] <Marzata> vlc plays them all
[14:56] <fivedaysahead> vlc should work
[14:57] <fivedaysahead> how do i set a x11vnc script at login?
[14:59] <zacarias> Marzata: yes, that's right, it works with vlc. It's really great this vlc, for everything!
[15:00] <fivedaysahead> vlc for the win love it
[15:04] <holstein> fivedaysahead: i just put them in 'startup'
[15:04] <holstein> whatever scripts
[15:14] <Gravis1> have you guys noticed that ubuntu software center has stopped working?
[15:14] <_DeLa_>  question: Is ubuntu tweak recommended for Xubuntu as well?
[15:14] <_DeLa_> Gravis1: mine seems to be still working....
[15:15] <Gravis1> xubuntu 11.10 ?
[15:15] <holstein> Gravis1: you could have another package manager running.. like the update manager
[15:15] <Gravis1> i dont :)
[15:15] <Gravis1> it just doesnt work anymore
[15:15] <Gravis1> standard install
[15:15] <Gravis1> standard packages etc
[15:15] <Gravis1> no tweaks
[15:15] <holstein> _DeLa_: AFAIK, tweak is *not* recommended for any *buntu
[15:16] <_Pete_> what is this tweak?
[15:16] <_DeLa_> holstein: seems to be a lot of peoples opinion :)
[15:17] <holstein> _DeLa_: well, its not opinion on the part of official ubuntu support
[15:17] <holstein> i have used it, and i like the PPA purge capabilities, but AFAIK, its a ban topic
[15:17] <Gravis1> oh nvm the software center loads now
[15:19] <_DeLa_> holstein: yeah, the ppa adding features would be nice,  the rest...oh well...
[15:20] <holstein> dan64: if you are asking, will it work with xubuntu like it will with ubuntu, theres no reason it wont, but its not "supported"
[15:20] <fivedaysahead> how do i add a login script to lightdm? so i can start x11vnc before login?
[15:20] <holstein> but as far as tweak is concerned, *buntu is supported
[15:21] <holstein> fivedaysahead: when i was reading about that, you had to run it as root, and i didnt like that
[15:22] <holstein> maybe check out http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-networking-3/howto-start-vncserver-before-login-177406/
[15:22] <fivedaysahead> thanks will take a look
[15:22] <Gravis1> holstein: however, what it does you can do in the terminal yourself
[15:24] <holstein> Gravis1: it?
[15:24] <holstein> Gravis1: ppa purge?
[15:24] <holstein> ubuntu tweak?... keep in mind, im not the one with "the tweak query"
[15:24] <Gravis1> holstein: there is an program for ppa purging too
[15:25] <Gravis1> holstein: also i know you werent hehe
[15:25] <holstein> theres ppa purge, that i assume tweak uses on the back end
[15:25] <holstein> i have only used the GUI so far
[15:25] <Gravis1> kinda limited what i use in gui hehe
[15:26] <holstein> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/08/ppa-purge-added-to-official-ubuntu-1010.html
[15:26] <Gravis1> gui is scary.. like right now.. 1 nicks in here
[15:26] <Gravis1> 2 nicks*
[15:26] <Gravis1> dunno how, connected via pidgin
[15:27]  * holstein on irssi in screen
[15:28] <Gravis1> this was just a quick connect :)
[15:28] <fivedaysahead> in the lightdm.conf i see display-setup-script = Script to run when starting a greeter session (runs as root)
[15:28] <Gravis1> i use irssi for irc too
[15:28] <fivedaysahead> should i make that an .sh script or do you think i can just type any old command there?
[15:31] <holstein> fivedaysahead: i would make sure i know how to edit that from a live CD assuming it breaks something and wont boot, then i would probably tinker.. but im a tinkerer
[15:32] <fivedaysahead> thakns
[17:57] <kj4> hello all
[18:07] <fivedaysahead> hello
[19:32] <Marzata> hello
[19:47] <jrmy> so
[19:47] <jrmy> whoops
[19:48] <jrmy> so I was wondering if anyone knows of a channel on freenode that would possibly help set my computer hardware properly.. because it's been freezing
[19:48] <jrmy> unless I should just google everything.. but it's gotta be something to be with something not being set right.. everything else seems to check otu ok
[19:49] <_Pete_> it's possibly #magiccrhystalballowners
[19:49] <Unit193> Well, there is ##hardware, but I've never been to that. You can search freenode channels /msg alis help list
[20:13] <lighta> hi guys
[20:14] <lighta> I have some issue with the route table. Since I connected to a server via vpn those route keep poping up even if I don't connect
[20:57] <go8765>  hello.can anybody help me with seamonky? when I run chatzilla it fall down
[21:00] <Marzata> why dont you use just firefox
[21:00] <Marzata> and chat with Xchat
[21:01] <go8765> Marzata, I use it e-mail clent :)
[21:02] <go8765> ершы шы дщп - http://paste.ubuntu.com/787226/
[21:02] <go8765> *this is log
[21:03] <Marzata> cant you use just Thunderbird, блин?
[21:04] <go8765> Marzata, dont remember why, but I like seamonky klient more, тыщь
[21:05] <Marzata> SeaMonkey uses old code and tends to cracks
[21:20] <go8765> Ooo... I use old version :) I try to upgrade it at first :)
[22:01] <xubuntu783> alguien sabe si es posible activar compiz en xubuntu?
[22:02] <Unit193> !es | xubuntu783
[22:02] <Unit193> IIRC, you can get Compiz to work though
[22:21] <nanotube> yea i understand all that's needed is to install the compiz packages, then run compiz --replace. haven't tried it myself yet, even though i already have all the compiz stuff, coming from regular ubuntu. :)
[22:30] <w30> the only problem with Xfce4 is that compiz does not have a window decorator to call up. You need gtk-window-decorator emerald or gnome-window decorator
[22:30] <nanotube> there's also compiz-decorator
[22:31] <nanotube> comes by default
[22:31] <holstein> nanotube: didnt work by default
[22:31] <holstein> w30 and i have made xubuntu use compiz
[22:32] <holstein> you'll need to do some work for the window decorations
[22:32] <w30> /usr/bin/gtk-window-decorator --metacity-theme CopperDeck --replace   in the window decorator section  will work. CopperDeck being replaced with a gtk theme that contains a window border
[22:32] <nanotube> hm well... thanks for the heads-up, then. :) maybe i'll give it a try after i eat. though i'm really not that hung up on the fancy effects. most of them are pretty useless.
[22:33] <w30> lots of gtk themes don't have their own borders though
[22:34] <w30> nanotube, how do you feed different window borders into compiz-decorator?
[22:35] <nanotube> no idea, i haven't tried it. was just noting that that's the default for compiz on oneiric, and it works when running gnome+unity.
[22:35] <nanotube> i just installed xubuntu-desktop last night
[22:35] <nanotube> because after giving unity a fair shake for a couple weeks, i gave up on it
[22:36] <nanotube> so... i haven't played much with it yet
[22:36] <w30> nanotube, I always get can't find Alwanda theme or something like that.
[22:36] <nanotube> been afk most of the day today too.
[22:36] <nanotube> i'll let you know what happens when i run compiz --replace without doing anything else
[22:37] <w30> google found several sites with emerald deb's that work but there is no Ubuntu repo emerald
[22:38]  * w30 happy with emerald now *smile*
[22:44] <klemmerj> New to Xubuntu - Quick Q on Xubuntu desktop icons: The default seems to be to have everything in $HOME on the desktop.  How does one change this so that only the default icons and items in the $HOME/Desktop dir are visible?
[22:56] <Marzata> huh?
[23:11] <w30>  klemmerj hmmm........I have installed xubuntu proly 7 or 8 times and always got Dsktop as my Desktop.
[23:11] <w30> Desktop as Desktop
[23:38]  * w30 only know that he hates gnome3 and unity. Right now, dual booting xubuntu and kubuntu.
[23:39] <Marzata> w30: why kubuntu?
[23:40] <koleoptero_> w30 me too
[23:40] <koleoptero_> lol
[23:41]  * w30 leaning towards xubuntu. It seems KDE is awfully structured into their way and is probably resource heavy. I do have a big block v8 though.
[23:42] <macman__> kubuntu barely runs in virtualbox
[23:42] <w30> I hate most the application menu's that take up two desktops to display 5 apps
[23:42] <koleoptero_> you can make it like a classic menu
[23:43] <macman__> it is also known to use more power than any other window manager
[23:43] <koleoptero_> disable blur and it uses less lol
[23:43] <macman__> good advice :-)
[23:44] <w30> macman__, no problem; I can throw a couple of cpu's at it .
[23:45] <macman__> i admit, kde 4 does look pretty cool, but seems to throw up alot of crashes on my dads system
[23:45] <Unit193> Mind taking this to #xubuntu-offtopic ?
[23:46] <Marzata> still can't install Xubu 12.04 in VB?
[23:46] <w30> macman__, now doubt all that Plasma fancy graphics costs.
[23:48] <w30> Unit193, sure; sorry it's really busy in here :=)
[23:48] <macman__> i have never used xubuntu but came here after recommendaton by linus :-)
[23:51] <macman__> i downloaded an early beta of 11.10 but it didn't install in virtualbox
[23:54] <Marzata> 11.10 installs anyway.
[23:54] <macman__> cool, i'll dl it then :-) thanks
[23:56] <Marzata> we have xubu 11.10 running on all our production machines. everybody loves it.
[23:56] <projekt26> I wanted to donate a few dollars to the xubuntu projekt but I couldn't find a donation option on neither the xubuntu nor the xfce site
[23:56] <projekt26> am I not looking hard enough?
[23:57] <projekt26> or is it because donations should go directly to ubuntu?
[23:57] <Marzata> no need to tweak anything like the latest versions of ubuntu. install the OS few cosmetics, and then just install sw.
[23:57] <macman__> what is the deafault chat client?
[23:58] <Marzata> projekt26: xubuntu team dont receive financials from canonical.
[23:58] <Marzata> macman__: Xchat IRC, but of coz you can install irssi
[23:58] <macman__> i use quassel, is that better?
[23:59] <projekt26> so why is there no option to donate? I could understand they don't want donations because most of the work is done by other people. but unfortunately there is no such option for xfce either it seems
[23:59] <Marzata> macman__: dunno. I think irssi is the best.
[23:59] <w30> best to install Synaptic and then go hog wild and install whatever trips your trigger.
[23:59] <macman__> ok, thanks. does it support roll back?