[00:12] <funkyHat> I think arguments are ok in offtopic channels, as long as they are civil
[00:12] <funkyHat> Oh he said support channels
[02:56] <thething> Hey guys, does anyone know a good alternative for manycam?
[02:57] <CarlFK> thething: This channel is for operator/abuse questions
[02:57] <thething> ?
[02:57] <thething> oh sorry
[02:57] <CarlFK> see the /topic
[02:57] <CarlFK> no prob.
[02:57] <thething> I try to go to offtopic and i am redirected here...
[02:58] <CarlFK> were you banned?
[02:58] <thething> I don't think so
[02:58] <pangolin> yes you were
[02:59] <thething> Ah
[02:59] <pangolin> specifically because of this
 k dexter i have to go drink tigers blood el oh el oh em gee ifuckedyourmom.jpg
[02:59] <thething> lloooool
[02:59] <thething> Yeah, he is a fag.
[03:00] <thething> He is very rude, so I told him to fuck himself.
[03:00] <pangolin> so take a few days off
[03:00] <pangolin> please mind your language
[03:00] <thething> Any time I go into the room he just starts arguments with me.
[03:00] <pangolin> no need for the swearing
[03:00] <thething> Well, your fellow mod is not going to be spoken to about manners?
[03:01] <thething> Why should I show him respect if he is always being an ass?
[03:01] <pangolin> he isn't an op
[03:01] <thething> How did I get banned then?
[03:01] <pangolin> !guidelines
[03:01] <pangolin> an op banned you.
[03:01] <thething> Did Dexter get banned?
[03:01] <pangolin> you hit an ran. that doesn't mean a ban can't be set
[03:01] <thething> No
[03:01] <thething> I had to go.
[03:01] <pangolin> why would he, he didn't break any rules.
[03:02] <thething> Otherwise I would have stayed.
[03:02] <thething> Yes he did, he was not respectable to others.
[03:02] <thething> Go to the logs
[03:02] <pangolin> this is about you anyhow not him
[03:02] <thething> He is consistantly rude to me.
[03:02] <thething> No, that response was to him.
[03:02] <thething> So it is completely about he and I.
[03:02] <pangolin> your actions are what you are responsible for.
[03:02] <thething> Correct
[03:02] <pangolin> and you got banned for your actions
[03:02] <thething> You are not holding him accountable for his actions.
[03:03] <pangolin> that isn't your concern
[03:03] <thething> Yes it is.
[03:03] <pangolin> no it isn't.
[03:03] <thething> Equal treatment.
[03:03] <CarlFK> we do the best we can.
[03:03] <thething> Obviously not.
[03:03] <pangolin> he doesn't swear in the channel.
[03:03] <thething> He is disrespectful.
[03:03] <thething> That is one of the rules.
[03:04] <pangolin> no he isn't. he doesn't like you but he was not disrespectful to you.
[03:04] <thething> Yes he was.
[03:04] <thething> Go back to the logs.
[03:04] <pangolin> no.
[03:04] <thething> Every time I speak he was rude.
[03:04] <pangolin> this is about you.
[03:04] <pangolin> not him.
[03:04] <thething> Pangolin stop trying to change the subject.
[03:04] <thething> lol
[03:04] <pangolin> lol
[03:04] <CarlFK> indeed.
[03:04] <thething> not workin, bro
[03:04] <pangolin> the subject is why you got banned
[03:05] <thething> The subject involved him.
[03:05] <pangolin> you got banned because of the language you used.
[03:05] <pangolin> YOU used foul language. the reason why you did is irrelevant.
[03:05] <thething> It was a response to his behavior. Obviously it was offensive to me, I was just a user in the room. What puts him above me?
[03:05] <thething> So as long as I don't swear I can treat others with disrespect?
[03:05] <thething> I
[03:05] <thething> I'll remember that.
[03:07] <CarlFK> the ops try to keep the channel friendly. it is not a science.
[03:07] <thething> Friendly like how Dexter was friendly to me?
[03:07] <CarlFK> we use the CoC as guidlines and have to make judgement calls
[03:07] <thething> You are right, you don't treat it like a science. If you did it would be run better.
[03:08] <thething> Cause and effect. You can't have a reaction without an action.
[03:08] <thething> To stop the cause of reaction you need to stop the cause.
[03:08] <CarlFK> we are all volunteers.
[03:08] <thething> What does that have to do with anything?
[03:09] <CarlFK> if you don't understand, we are done.
[03:09] <thething> No I do understand
[03:09] <thething> You are just not wanting to discuss this.
[03:09] <thething> Very unprofessional.
[03:10] <CarlFK> I completely understand why you were banned.
[03:10] <thething> I am keeping logs of this fyi. To post on a few friends blogs about how ubuntu has gone in the toilet.
[03:10] <thething> CarlFK: You understand yet you fail to act appropriately.
[03:11] <CarlFK> right now I am only concerned with you being banned.
[03:12] <thething> Instead of being concerned about the real issue? Yes, I can see that.
[03:12] <CarlFK> you are, I see no reason to lift it.
[03:12] <thething> That's fine. I am sure you will like to wield what little power you have. Almighty mod of ubuntu.
[03:13] <thething> I am glad we have white-knights like yourself to make sure the internet is a safe playground.
[03:13] <thething> Also I am going to be posting the logs and explanation of all of this throughout the ubuntu forums.
[03:13] <thething> Very very sad when volunteers act this way.
[03:14] <thething> I have volunteered for many projects like this and never behaved in such an unprofessional manner.
[03:14] <thething> I am just hoping that everyone will be able to see what kind of people are running the ubuntu irc rooms now.
[03:15] <thething> So lets go back to the issue.
[03:15] <thething> Because you have yet to actually discuss it with me, rather than just trying to shut me down.
[03:15] <thething> Unless you would prefer to be silent.
[03:15] <thething> I would understand why, since you don't want these logs shown everywhere.
[03:16] <thething> CarlFK: so can we continue the discussion or not?
[03:16] <pangolin> !logs
[03:17] <CarlFK> I have not seen anything to make me want to lift your ban.
[03:17] <thething> CarlFK: So you want me to bow down rather than discuss the issue?
[03:18] <CarlFK> I believe you know why you were banned.
[03:18] <thething> Because of mod abuse correct?
[03:18] <thething> Because you have failed to actually explain why.
[03:18] <CarlFK> no.
[03:19] <thething> So tell me, with both parties involved.
[03:19] <thething> How is my ban justified without dexter's being justified as well?
[03:19] <CarlFK> improper language
[03:19] <thething> And improper behavior is unacceptable correct?
[03:20] <CarlFK> dexters behavior does not change the rules you are asked to follow
[03:20] <thething> You are avoiding the question.
[03:20] <thething> Was his behavior inapropriate yes or no?
[03:20] <CarlFK> I am not discussing other's behavior.
[03:20] <thething> So you are avoiding it.
[03:20] <thething> Well obviously you all think its ok since he was not banned.
[03:21] <thething> I am glad I have the pm's of him telling me to go f*ck my mother...you all never bothered to ask for why I said that to him.
[03:21] <thething> It is ok though, everything will be shown in the logs I release.
[03:22] <CarlFK> the logs are public.
[03:22] <thething> Not the private messages
[03:22] <thething> Like how he told me to go f*ck my mother...which you all never asked about.
[03:22] <pangolin> what people say in PM we can't control.
[03:23] <thething> But you would rather blindly ban people and not explain yourselves?
[03:23] <pangolin> what people say in the channel is our business and we take it serious.
[03:23] <thething> Hm...so you are saying it is ok for people to harass others through pm's (people that find one another in your channels)
[03:23] <thething> Alright, I understand now.
[03:23] <pangolin> no. I am saying that we can't control it.
[03:24] <thething> Yes, you can.
[03:24] <thething> You ban them.
[03:24] <thething> Which you failed to do.
[03:24] <CarlFK> your language was clearly against the rules, you were banned.
[03:24] <pangolin> but we didn't fail to ban you
[03:24] <thething> Now that sociopath is going to go around harassing whomever he pleases.
[03:24] <thething> With YOUR consent.
[03:24] <pangolin> pot/kettle
[03:24] <pangolin> We done here yet?
[03:24] <thething> Nah, I am going to just let these logs show everyone how disrespectul you all are.
[03:25] <pangolin> ok
[03:25] <pangolin> Have a good night. Please remember to /part.
[03:25] <thething> I'll also be contacting the ircops.
[03:25] <pangolin> !appeals
[03:25] <thething> No, I am not done here yet.
[03:25] <thething> Sorry.
[03:25] <thething> I am here to discuss the problem
[03:25] <pangolin> We are.
[03:25] <thething> Which you all are refusing to do.
[03:25] <thething> Thank you for proving my point.
[07:56] <mysteriousdarren> can I have some help in #ubuntu we have a troll problem
[07:56] <mysteriousdarren> ?
[07:58] <Flannel> mysteriousdarren: Thanks for the heads up.
[07:59] <mysteriousdarren> yes anytime
[08:07] <elky> anything else you need?
[08:08] <mysteriousdarren> sorry leaving forgot I left the tab open have a good night
[08:08] <elky> goodnight, and thanks again
[08:49] <bazhang> bantracker been wiped?
[08:51] <jussi> bazhang: no, just a new implementation where it doesnt show bans till you search methinks
[08:51] <jussi> its fast though :)
[08:52] <bazhang> jussi, yep very fast, just blank here though :)
[08:52] <jussi> bazhang: works for me - try searching for yourself in the operator field
[08:54] <jussi> bazhang: is it working?
[08:55] <bazhang> jussi, sure, just usually check to see recent activity by others; fairly clear on my own bans/quiets
[08:55] <jussi> bazhang: ahh, fair enough. please file a bug.
[09:09] <Myrtti> I was going to say you can have my bans that are active according to the bantracker, but aren't - but I then realised I was looking at the wrong channel
[09:14] <Myrtti> but yeah, the search results are inconsistent with the banlist
[09:15] <Myrtti> or I think it may be
[13:46] <Tm_T> removed
[13:47] <bazhang> ucenik what a surprise
[15:13] <bazhang> decades? guess ubuntu is older than I thought
[15:27] <mneptok> bazhang: maybe it's old enough to ask it to dinner and a movie?
[15:27] <bazhang> mneptok, hehe
[15:35] <h00k> what's that formula...age/2+7 or something?
[15:36] <AlanBell> http://xkcd.com/314/
[15:36] <h00k> Yes. That.
[15:36] <h00k> Also, congrats, AlanBell.
[15:36] <bazhang> YES!
[15:36] <h00k> Haven't seen you since I got the emailz.
[15:36] <AlanBell> thanks h00k
[15:47] <mneptok> 30 is the youngest i could date with the ($AGE/2)+7 rule  :/
[15:48] <h00k> 18.5
[15:52] <Tm_T> date? is that something eatable?
[15:53] <bazhang> I think you mean prune, in this case
[19:26] <oCean> !ping
[21:36] <oCean> !afk > Cinober
[23:55] <pangolin> errrrrrrrrrrr damnit