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SupermanintightsLOL00:00
palnjautocorrect hates me00:00
Supermanintightsintestine00:00
Supermanintightswhat are you using? android? iphone?00:00
jacobwi live within 5 minute walking distance of a 24 hour tesco00:00
palnjiPod touch so yea iOS00:00
penguin42jacobw: I think that's a scary percentage of the population who do00:00
Supermanintightsit's a 7 mile drive for me - there and back00:00
palnjiOS 5...!00:00
directhexeek non-free00:01
* directhex runs away00:01
penguin427 miles to a tesco? Where are you? The highlands?00:01
Supermanintightsi liked my iphone 3gs, then i treated myself to a galaxy note - and i've become a man00:01
jacobwi need to start eating healthily again :|00:01
palnjdirecthex: lol :P00:01
Supermanintightserm00:01
Supermanintightsstoke on trent =/00:01
palnjdirecthex needs to start PAYING healthily again00:01
jacobwi used to be vegetarian and do crossfit and boxing, now i eat toast and cheese and sometimes run up stairs00:02
penguin42Supermanintights: Let me guess, they put all the Tescos in the other town centre?00:02
palnjyou paid for that computer you're using now didn't you  directhex? you did pay for it? DIDN'T YOU?!?!00:02
Supermanintightsthere's 3 that are 24 hour hat are local - and all of them are much too far to walk, and probably not worth the drive unless it's important00:02
penguin42jacobw: Wow, I don't think I've ever heard of anyone switch in that direction before00:02
palnjAndroid FTW!!!00:02
Supermanintightsgalaxy note ftw00:03
palnjSupermanintights: ice cream sandwich FTW!!!00:03
directhexpalnj: it magically appeared in my house, and my credit card magically had more on it, about 3 years ago00:03
Supermanintightshmm... i don't know how to get ICS for my note00:03
Supermanintightsbut when i do00:03
Supermanintightsnote ICS ftw00:03
directhexmy next phone is delayed at customs -_-00:03
penguin42palnj: I'd agree with you if I wasn't currently swearing at my 1st attempt at Android JNI00:04
directhexlollerskates, JNI00:04
palnjjni?00:04
penguin42palnj: Java Native Interface - calling C code from Java00:04
directhexJNI is the intentionally dreadful system java uses to allow you to call into C libraries from Java00:04
palnjpenguin42: ah right of course... I knew that00:04
hamitronreal men just use C ofc00:05
hamitron;)00:05
palnjI actually did sorta know it was really shit00:05
penguin42hamitron: Indeed, but that's difficult on Android00:05
hamitronnever used android tbh00:05
hamitron:/00:05
popeydirecthex: what you getting?00:05
hamitronkeep getting tempted00:05
* popey has two android tablets on his desk00:05
Supermanintightsok, despite the attempts of you heathens to be unhealthy and eat cheesecake, i gave into temptation and went for weetabix00:05
palnjhamitron: you should, even if that means running down to the nearest CURRYS/PCWorld or Conet and mucking around with Hineycomb on a tablet of some sort00:06
palnj*honeycomb lol00:06
hamitronthe thing that puts me off any device running android, is how manufacturers seem to think I am willing to buy a new device every few years00:06
Supermanintightshow on earth does autocorrect recognise hineycomb as a word :s00:06
palnjAlan Pope, you are officially the greatest person I have ever known...over the Internet00:07
hamitronI expect 10 years life00:07
popeyo_O00:07
popeythey're not mine00:07
palnjSupermanintights: weetabix00:07
palnjFTW!!!!00:07
palnjpopey: oh...then I hate you for leading me on like that00:07
popeyi get to use them though ☺00:08
* palnj sons dramatically 00:08
popeyAsus Transformer00:08
palnj*sobs00:08
Supermanintightsi just don't get tablets00:08
popeyI do ☺00:08
hamitronants!00:08
Supermanintightsmy note is big enough for me to do anything i need to - and people complain i have a laptop computer with me00:08
hamitronerrr, wrong window00:08
popeyI love laying in bed, watching a film or TV programme on ipad00:08
palnjARRRGGHHHH!!!!! /me...hate...AUTOCORRECT!!!!!!!!00:08
penguin42popey: I got > < close to buying the Dell Streak 7" that currys were selling off earlier in the week for £9900:08
Supermanintightsa tablet just seems like a limited pc or something00:08
popeyhaha00:08
palnjirc command fail00:08
popeythe dell streak is a hilarious failure of a device00:08
Supermanintightspenguin42 - don't get the note00:08
popeyisnt it AlanBell ?00:08
penguin42popey: Why?00:09
popey00:09
hamitronpenguin42, are they still?00:09
penguin42hamitron: Seem to have stopped last night00:09
popeyits both a rubbish phone and a rubbish tablet at the same time00:09
AlanBellit is a phone of substantial proportions00:09
penguin42popey: Why is it a rubbish tablet?00:09
directhexpopey: n9 from work00:09
hamitronbigger is better00:09
hamitron;)00:09
Supermanintightsfml00:09
popeydirecthex: nice!00:09
Supermanintightsi've got an error burning00:09
popeypenguin42: too small00:09
palnjhamitron: in terms if tablets yes...00:10
christelAlanBell: oh is that the ENORMO one TheOpenSourcerer had?00:10
Supermanintightswondered why it was on 17% for a while00:10
popeyruns crustydroid00:10
christel(the one which you mislaid yours of?)00:10
AlanBellchristel: he has got a big one, yes00:10
palnjRubik's Cube00:10
christelyes, that is one way of putting it! :p00:10
hamitronmy phone sits on a desk, so I'd be happy with a tablet as a phone tbh palnj00:10
directhexyou wouldn't.00:10
* popey hugs his cisco 794000:10
hamitronwell, until Orange terminated my contract00:10
hamitron:/00:10
palnjRubik's Cube00:10
directhextry holding 30 pages of a4 next to youe ear.00:10
AlanBellI like my Galaxy S200:11
directhexhamitron: blessing in disguise: free from orange!00:11
hamitrondirecthex, I feel upset still, losing my number00:11
popeydirecthex: so is that the last meego phone?00:11
hamitronno warnings00:11
hamitron:/00:11
AlanBellbut I think I would also like a phone that just does phoning and wifi tethering plus a tablet00:11
Supermanintightserm guys00:11
Supermanintightshttp://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/20/errorda.jpg/00:11
directhexpopey: assuming you call it a meego phone, yes00:11
popeyah00:11
penguin42popey: To be honest I should have got it - at £99 it's worth it easily for a dual core A9; albeit without Neon00:11
AlanBellpossibly a transformer prime00:11
Supermanintightserror buring ubuntu on take 300:12
popeypenguin42: i would imagine it would end up in a drawer after a very short time00:12
popeyeven for 99 quid00:12
penguin42Supermanintights: Consider how your not having a good day with CD burning - USB THUMB DRIVE!00:12
penguin42popey: Yeh; I've got a lot of geek toys like that :-)00:12
palnjSupermanintights: ur dead ad fish in a net cast by really good fisherman00:12
popeyheh00:12
popeyme too00:13
* hamitron would rather have meego, than android tbh00:13
popeypenguin42: got my Palm T|X out tonight ☺00:13
penguin42(a whole bunch of people I know all concluded they had an Indy that they had bought years ago and hadn't used for at least 5 years)00:13
directhexhamitron: at least it's real linux!00:13
hamitronyeh :)00:13
palnj• hamitron: (n) to meego!00:13
Supermanintightsthere is great irony00:13
palnjover android anyway00:13
Supermanintightsi have 2 usb thumdrives available00:13
palnjSupermanintights: in what?00:13
palnjSupermanintights: oh right :P00:13
hamitrondirecthex, I could see it been fun trying to make a custom distro00:13
Supermanintights1 is 32gb with my work saved on, but in an osx filesystem00:13
Supermanintightsthe other has a 500mb capacity00:14
directhexhamitron: http://www.merproject.org/ ?00:14
palnjnobody answered my question earlier :'(00:14
directhexpalnj: no it shouldn't be purple, see a doctor00:14
popeySupermanintights: so get the mini iso and put that on the 500Mb one00:14
jacobwparition tables are uesful00:14
Supermanintightshuh? miniiso?00:14
palnjwould anyone be interested in creating a brand new desktop environment that's completely fresh and innovative?00:14
popeySupermanintights: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD00:14
hamitrondirecthex, I was thinking more a phone with bash as the "interface" ;)00:14
popey26 of your earth  megabytes00:15
penguin42hamitron: my Android phone lets me get a bash shell00:15
* Supermanintights kisses and dry humps popey00:15
hamitronbut android is invaded with the evil of google00:15
Supermanintightsno homo00:15
hamitron:/00:15
palnjpopey: wow that's tiny00:15
palnjpalnj: hi me00:15
Supermanintightspalnj - girls say that to me all the time00:16
AlanBellSupermanintights: the baby iso might even burn without failing00:16
hamitrondirecthex, what I need for this Mer?00:16
* popey snuggles Supermanintights 00:16
palnjSupermanintights: what are they in about? your ego?!?00:16
Supermanintightsi wish00:16
palnjlol jk I see why you mean00:16
Supermanintights:(00:16
palnj*what00:17
Supermanintightsthe 500mb thumbdrive has no casing00:17
Supermanintightsso it's just the mobo/chip and a usb head00:18
palnjwhy do people just sign in to IRC a then wait for something interesting to happen!00:18
Supermanintightsbegging to be corrupted00:18
Supermanintightsuneetbootin right?00:18
palnj_it means noone knows who's actively taking part in conversation00:18
hamitron:)00:19
palnj_stupid wireless fail00:19
hamitronreal men use wires00:19
hamitron;)00:19
palnj_hamitron: Ethernet cable ft...actually.no00:19
Supermanintightsguys00:19
palnj_modem jack FTW!!!00:20
palnj_hooray dial up!00:20
Supermanintightswhat distribution do i select for the minimal installation00:20
Supermanintightson unetbootin00:20
Supermanintights?00:20
jacobwiso00:20
Supermanintightsoh00:20
* Supermanintights looks properly00:20
Supermanintightsoops00:20
Supermanintightsignore00:20
hamitrondoes mini.iso work with unetbootin?00:21
hamitronnot tried, since most my comps won't boot off usb00:21
Supermanintightsit better!!!00:22
palnj_Supermanintights: hooray for minimal install then I guess00:22
popeyshould do00:23
palnj_hamitron: what'd day mean? my 11 year old Packard bell boots off USB00:24
palnj_* what do you00:24
hamitronmy 15 year old Packard Bell won't even boot off cdrom00:24
hamitron:D00:24
hamitronbut I don't run ubuntu on that00:25
hamitronI know my K6-2 comp won't boot off USB00:25
hamitronso tend to just use a cdrw00:26
popeywhat do you run on the PB?00:26
Supermanintightsso my mums computer won't recognise my 500mb usb stick00:26
Supermanintightsjooookkkkeeeeessss00:26
hamitronI multiboot, MSDOS, slackware 8.1 and slackware 11.000:27
penguin42hamitron: Yeh my Dad has a P2-300-ish that has 10.04 on and it needs a CD to boot00:27
hamitronpenguin42, same sorta age, yeh00:27
Supermanintightsok, sorry guys00:27
Supermanintightsi've had enough00:27
Supermanintightsscrew ubuntu00:27
hamitronubuntu rocks00:27
Supermanintightsi'ma gonna find windows 3.11 instead00:27
hamitron:/00:27
popeyGo OS/2!00:28
hamitronI'm seriously considering Minix00:28
hamitronhaha00:28
Supermanintightshmm, thinking about it00:28
Supermanintightswould it be possible to run windows 3.11 still?00:28
hamitronyes00:28
penguin42popey: You odd person you....00:29
popeyi used to have VMs for every DOS version, and every Windows version up to Win2K00:29
* Supermanintights 's jaw drops00:29
hamitronpopey, now you are talking00:29
hamitron:)00:29
hamitroni collect all the original cd and licenses00:30
hamitronjust seems fun to "browse" :/00:30
palnj_popey: the Packard bell is the pc I need more ram for00:30
popeybah, my Palm T|X wont connect to my wifi00:30
palnj_thankfully Alan bell should be receiving an email from me soon00:30
palnj_he kindly offered to give me some ram as well as an Ubuntu cd ;) thx a lot00:31
MonsterKillerhey, when i try to run screen i get "no more PTYs". anyone know what causes that/any fixes? :)00:31
* Supermanintights whoops00:32
Supermanintightsi found another flash drive00:32
palnj_I didn't know whoop was a verb00:33
palnj_as in to "whoop"00:33
AlanBellverbing nouns weirds language00:33
* Supermanintights glares00:33
Supermanintightsgiven the circumstances, i think a pass is allowed00:33
AlanBellbut I think whoop is a perfectly cromulent verb00:34
Supermanintights5.5 hours, and so far i have windows installed and nothing else00:34
penguin42wahey! Segfault!00:34
Supermanintightsback up daddy's usb pen00:34
Supermanintightsrun unetbootin00:34
Supermanintightscry when something ELSE goes wrong00:34
palnj_AlanBell: I guess it is ie whooping cough00:35
Supermanintightswhooping cushion00:36
Supermanintightsa cushion that whoops00:36
Supermanintightsso suck it00:36
Supermanintights:D00:36
penguin42no no, that's a woopey cushion00:37
Supermanintightsit's a verb ok00:38
Supermanintights:(00:38
Supermanintightsdamned grammar police (nazis)00:38
popeymoving on...00:38
Supermanintightsmy usb pen is still backing up00:39
Supermanintightsthen i'll try it00:39
palnj_penguin42: I though he flopped00:39
Supermanintightsshould i try the standard file, not the minimal one as it'll fit on the usb?00:39
popeywhat size usb stick is it?00:39
Supermanintights32gb?00:39
palnj_Supermanintights: possibly of you want to00:40
popeyI'd use the full size ISO00:40
Supermanintightscool00:40
palnj_whoa 32 gb!00:40
popeyassuming you have MD5SUM checked it00:40
popey(the ISO that is)00:40
popeyif you haven't then you're a silly sausage00:40
palnj_I can fit the iso on 2gb00:40
popeywell done you palnj_00:40
palnj_popey: thank u, thank you very much00:40
Supermanintightsi have md5sum checked it00:40
Supermanintightssomeone else kept moaning at me to do it00:41
palnj_Supermanintights: good ;)00:41
popeygroovy00:41
Supermanintightsno usb drives found00:41
Supermanintightsfml00:41
popeywindows?00:41
popeydisk utility?00:41
Supermanintightsyes00:41
Supermanintightswindows00:41
palnj_Supermanintights: lol fourth time alone you've said that00:42
popeyI count 1000:42
palnj_popey: I haven't been here too long00:42
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/787413/00:42
Supermanintightsi'm becoming increasingly frustrated palnj_ - it'll increase soon00:42
palnj_but FTW seems to be popularising itself too00:42
SupermanintightsLOL00:42
Supermanintightsaaaanyway00:43
Supermanintightsmoving on from the discussion on how much life loves me - how do i fix this problem/00:43
palnj_popey: ahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!00:43
Supermanintightsit's usb drive D:\00:43
Supermanintightsformatted to fat3200:44
Supermanintightsand unetbootin not finding it00:44
penguin42heck it's taken me long enough - but I've finally got this thing to call a JNI function00:45
Supermanintightsi fixed it00:45
Supermanintightsdon't all rush to congratulate me at once00:47
palnjsee ya guys...tired :(00:49
* popey goes to bed00:51
Supermanintightsonce i have ubuntu installed00:51
Supermanintightsi'll go to bed also00:52
Supermanintightsmaybe00:52
Supermanintightsi can foresee a late one i didn't want/need00:52
* palnj is already in bed00:52
Supermanintightsit works00:53
SupermanintightsIT WORKS00:53
Supermanintightswho on earth suggested cd booting...00:53
penguin42hehe00:53
penguin42Supermanintights: I think you owe jacobw a cookie00:54
jacobwha00:54
Supermanintightsthanks jacobw :P00:54
* Supermanintights gives jacobw his last cookie00:54
penguin42Supermanintights: I'd be interested to know what brand of drive is in the machine you're installing on - especially if it's an NEC one00:55
palnjSupermanintights: lok finally you have prevailed!!00:55
Supermanintightsbrand of drive?00:55
Supermanintightscd/usb00:55
penguin42nod00:55
penguin42cd00:55
Supermanintightsoh00:55
Supermanintightserm00:55
Supermanintightsi'll find out in a min00:56
Supermanintightsjust trying to install dualbooting00:56
Supermanintightshmm00:56
Supermanintightsi think my pc just froze00:57
Supermanintightscompletely00:57
Supermanintightsworking now, but not a good start00:57
penguin42Supermanintights: I think you should do a good memtest on that machine00:57
Supermanintights^^00:58
Supermanintightsright00:58
Supermanintightsi got windows installed on a partition00:58
Supermanintightsand then a lot of unformatted space00:58
Supermanintightsit's saying - "erase disk and install ubuntu" or "soething else"00:58
penguin42I'd say something else00:58
Supermanintightsdo i go for something else - i'm dualbooting, and having a 3rd partition for data00:59
jacobw'something else' lets you apply your own partiton scheme00:59
Supermanintightsthe install partition thing doesn't seem to recognise that windows is already installed on a partition00:59
Supermanintightsit's showing:01:00
Supermanintights"/dev/sda" underneath - "freespace" with 500107MB, and i can select "new partition table" "add" "change" "delete" or revert", windows 7 should be installed on a 50gb partition01:01
jacobwyou should do some of those things :)01:02
penguin42Supermanintights: Does it not show another area labelled sda1 or the like ?01:02
Supermanintightsnope, that's everything01:02
penguin42Supermanintights: Have you got a digi camera?01:02
Supermanintightsyeah01:02
Supermanintightsgimme a sec01:02
Supermanintightsuploading to picasa now01:04
Supermanintightsi'm going to kill Az for telling me this would be easy01:04
Supermanintightsthat or steal one of his precious monitors01:04
palnjsee ya guys then bye!!!!!!01:05
palnjSupermanintights: good luck with the install01:05
Supermanintightssee ya palnj - thanks for help :)01:05
palnjI would crack up if when the install finished it said f*** your life, you need to restart01:06
Supermanintights:(01:06
Supermanintightsif it does01:06
Supermanintightsi'll take a screeny01:07
Supermanintightspenguin42 - https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/De42ANGZminYjIE7zLzV-URqb3foulvKg7aANN4977k?feat=directlink01:08
penguin42Supermanintights: You're sure you didn't nuke windows right?01:09
Supermanintightsi don't know how01:10
Supermanintightsit was there01:10
Supermanintightsi press install01:10
Supermanintightsso far i've managed to click next, entered wifi password01:10
Supermanintightsand it's gone01:10
Supermanintightsshould i restart, boot from hdd and see if it's still there?01:11
penguin42I would01:12
Supermanintightswhich is better - windows being there? or windows not being there?01:12
penguin42that depends on your point of view01:13
Supermanintights:P01:13
Supermanintightswindows is booting01:13
Supermanintightsok, i'm in windows01:14
Supermanintightsanything you want me to take a photo of or something? i'm getting desperate now, i just want them both installed, then tomorrow i can install the rest of the stuff i need to01:15
penguin42ok, I guess it's there01:15
penguin42Supermanintights: Boot the stick again and go through each question with us01:15
Supermanintightsok01:15
Supermanintightssorry if it comes across as so tarded - it just really doesn't want to work for me tonight, as you can see01:16
penguin42Supermanintights: Computers can be like that01:16
Supermanintightsok01:17
Supermanintightsboot menu01:17
Supermanintightsusb01:17
Supermanintightsi now get01:17
Supermanintightsunetbootin with following options01:17
Supermanintightsfml01:17
Supermanintightsit's booted automatically :S01:17
penguin42ok01:18
Supermanintights(don't tell palnj or popey about the fml)01:18
Supermanintightsok01:18
* penguin42 wouldn't01:18
Supermanintights"default" "help" "try ubuntu without installing" "install ubuntu" "check disc for defects" "test memory" "boot from first hard disk" "try ubuntu wihout installing" "install ubuntu" "checuk disks for defects" - yes the duplicates are showing on screen01:19
penguin42install01:20
Supermanintightsfirst or second option to install01:20
penguin42do the try01:20
Supermanintightstry ubuntu without installing/01:21
Supermanintightsok doing that one01:21
Supermanintightsloading now01:21
Supermanintightsok i'm in01:21
Supermanintightsat the desktop01:22
Supermanintightsshould i connect to wifi first?01:22
penguin42ok, do me a favour, open a terminal and do   cat /proc/partitions01:22
Supermanintightssec01:22
Supermanintightsok01:22
Supermanintightsdone01:23
Supermanintightswhat do you want to see?01:23
Supermanintightstake photo?01:23
penguin42do you see sda lines ?01:23
penguin42and do you see any for sda1 or 2 etc ?01:23
Supermanintightsloop0, sda, sda1, sda2, sdb, sdb101:23
penguin42ok, that's good - that means it can see there are 2 partitions on sda at that point01:24
penguin42now, run the installer01:24
Supermanintightsis sda windows?01:24
Supermanintightsok so i selected english01:25
Supermanintightsticked to install 3rd party software for flash, mp3 and other media01:25
penguin42Supermanintights: sda is the whole disk, sda1 and 2 are windows01:25
Supermanintightsnow i click continue - that ok?01:25
penguin42ok01:25
Supermanintightsasking me to connect to wifi - can i do this?01:25
penguin42yep01:25
Supermanintightssec, temp froze again01:25
penguin42doesn't sound good01:26
Supermanintightsthink i pressed wrong button that time01:26
Supermanintightsmouse still worked01:26
Supermanintightsok, connected01:26
Supermanintightspressed continue01:26
Supermanintightsnow i got same options as before01:26
Supermanintightserase/install and something else01:26
penguin42ok, show me the screen shot01:27
Supermanintights"this computer currently has no detected operating systems."01:27
penguin42hmph01:27
penguin42Supermanintights: Which version of Ubuntu is this?01:27
Supermanintightslatest01:27
Supermanintights64bit01:28
penguin4211.10 ?01:28
Supermanintightsyeah01:28
Supermanintightsuploading screenshot now01:29
penguin42Supermanintights: hmm, so it sounds like you have a bug somewhere  - you could raise a bug on ubiquity as a starter01:29
Supermanintightshttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/De42ANGZminYjIE7zLzV-URqb3foulvKg7aANN4977k?feat=directlink01:30
penguin42that shouldn't happen01:31
penguin42Supermanintights: Can you open a terminal?01:31
Supermanintightssure01:31
Supermanintightsgo01:31
penguin42try sudo fdisk -l01:32
Supermanintightspastebin.com/2RydrXMU01:33
penguin42Supermanintights: That's l as in larry not 1 as in 100001:35
Supermanintightsoh01:35
Supermanintightserm01:35
Supermanintightsi know....01:35
* Supermanintights whistles innocently01:35
Supermanintightspastebin.com/ArM2Yb4K01:36
penguin42Supermanintights: That all looks fine - so the OS sees your window partitions01:38
Supermanintightsok01:39
Supermanintightsshall i click something else then?01:39
penguin42Supermanintights: I don't have a good answer I'm afraid, the partitioner should show you those01:39
Supermanintightshmm01:40
Supermanintightswho/where is best place to go about this/01:40
penguin42Supermanintights: At this point, I'd get an image of the alternate CD and install from there01:40
Supermanintightshttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/YX3ZSoUUwjinVL7N2hUGn0Rqb3foulvKg7aANN4977k?feat=directlink01:41
Supermanintightsurgh01:41
Supermanintightswhat if i install ubuntu now, then go to reinstall windows after ubuntu - would that work? i know it's not recommended, but there's clearly a problem somewhere01:42
penguin42Supermanintights: You've hit a bug - so knowing what will happen in a different circumstance is hard to say01:44
Supermanintightshmm01:45
Supermanintightsfair point01:45
Supermanintightsright, i'm going to just leave it01:45
Supermanintightsstart again tomorrow morning01:45
penguin42nod; I'd say with an alternate installer01:46
Supermanintightsreckon?01:46
Supermanintightsi'm wondering if it's me messing with partitions that's the problem01:46
penguin42Supermanintights: Please run ubuntu-bug ubuiqity to report the mess you have01:46
Supermanintightsi created a 50gb partition for windiows, nd the rest was unallocated01:46
penguin42that's fine01:46
Supermanintightswhere do i find this bug thing?01:46
penguin42Supermanintights: In a terminal, preferably one opened after you hit that problem of not seeing the partitions,  run ubuntu-bug ubuiquity01:47
Supermanintightsdo i leave the setup window open?01:48
Supermanintightsand on what page?01:48
penguin42the last one you got to01:48
Supermanintightssent01:49
Supermanintightsincluding log report01:49
penguin42good - thanks for doing that01:50
Supermanintightsasking me about a launchpad account01:50
Supermanintightsdo i register/01:50
penguin42yep01:50
penguin42Supermanintights: That way someone can ask you more questions about your hardware or tell you about a fix01:50
Supermanintightssubmitted01:56
Supermanintightsalso copied the text from terminal with fdisk -l01:56
Supermanintightsthanks for the help penguin42 et al - appreciate it, hopefully better luck tomorrow01:57
penguin42Supermanintights: What was your bug number ?01:57
Supermanintights90995501:57
Supermanintightsshould i include any further information penguin42?01:59
penguin42just checking02:01
penguin42ah, GPT02:01
Supermanintightsi've just included screensots as well02:01
Supermanintightswhat?02:01
penguin42Supermanintights: Your disk is partitioned with gpt rather than oldschool partitoning02:01
Supermanintightshave you found the problem?02:01
penguin42Supermanintights: Now that *SHOULD* work in the installer - but it's less common02:02
Supermanintightsi just partitioned with windows for the windows partition, rest was unallocated - anything beyond that - i don't have a clue02:02
Supermanintightsright, i'm going to bed02:07
Supermanintightsthanks for help all02:07
Supermanintightshopefully better luck tomorrow02:07
penguin42yeh, bed is a good idea!02:11
matttmorning, morning07:29
christelmorning -uk!08:27
danfishmorning08:28
MartijnVdS\o08:28
danfishczajkowski: thanks for the groupon headsup re rugby - will look into it.08:28
christelthat was a very decent discount, i was unfortunately too slow08:45
danfishsame here :(08:46
christel:(08:46
mattti missed the groupon too :(09:06
christel:(09:06
matttnot really a london irish fan to begin with, but would have been fun09:07
christelyeah, and at that price it'd have been worth it for pretty much any team!09:12
MartijnVdSNetherlands vs Germany.09:15
christel\o/09:18
* MartijnVdS has no idea about rugby09:19
MartijnVdSAll I know is that it exists...09:19
* mattt spear tackles MartijnVdS09:29
* danfish sinbins mattt 09:52
MartijnVdSsinbin? sounds like something from a church09:55
christelhehe09:58
brobostigongood morning everyone,10:30
MartijnVdS\o brobostigon10:30
christelmorning brobostigon10:30
brobostigonmorning christel and MartijnVdS o/10:30
kvarleyI saw a video a while back showing the ported version of Unity to OpenGL ES running on ARM. Does anybody know where I can find out when it'll be officially released?10:57
matttchristel: http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/london/london-irish-rugby/230959511:18
christeloooh11:18
christelnice catch mattt!11:18
matttheh, my gf just spotted that11:18
matttgonna get northampton saints and blues tix11:19
christelgive her christel points!11:19
mattt"christel who?"11:20
matttkidding11:20
* mattt aint going there11:20
christelhaha11:22
smittixUnivoid: Get to work!12:37
smittixLazy git.12:37
palnjsmittix: no need for rudeness12:37
smittixmeh12:37
smittixI am at work and he's had the day off. No fair.12:40
palnjsmittix: then pure telling him to conduct work he doesn't know exists due to him being given the day off :P12:40
smittixheh, We're in the middle of an ERP Implementation so he should know!12:41
palnjI have no idea what that is, but if he's not been given a job to do at home. he shouldn't be doing a job at home12:42
smittix=)12:42
czajkowskidanfish: I got tickets for the february rugby game15:03
christelwoop15:10
czajkowskigoing to the February 26th game15:11
czajkowskigonna post to Ubuntu UK mailing list now15:11
christelnice15:13
czajkowskidone15:15
czajkowskilast year we went to the pub15:15
AlanBellpub was fun15:17
czajkowskiindeed15:18
danfishnice15:22
matttyeh, saints should be a good game15:22
mattti'm going to the cardiff game too tho, to get my gavin henson autograph15:22
* mattt jokes15:22
danfishczajkowski: booked! Haven't spoken to other half, but at that price :)15:26
AlanBellin Reading?15:28
matttAlanBell: madejeski15:29
* AlanBell books15:30
christelooh15:35
christeli wonder if i can get away with going to that15:36
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matttchristel: will freenode survive with you being AFK?15:40
christelhaha15:42
Pendulummattt: with or without his shirt on ;)15:42
christeli was more concerned about whether my family would approve of me going to the rugby on my son's 2nd birthday15:42
christel:P15:42
AlanBellchristel: special birthday treat for him ;)15:43
christelhehe15:43
christeli like your thinking!15:43
PendulumAlanBell: +115:43
Pendulumchristel: you have to train him early, anyway, don't you?15:43
christeltrue!15:43
* Pendulum was well indoctrinated in American football by the time she was 415:43
Pendulumwhen I was 4, I'd tell you that I was going to be a pro American football player when I grew up15:44
christelunfortunately he is just that tiny bit too young to accept sitting still for a game15:44
zleapyeah,  buy mini rugby balls rather than soccer balls for the back garden kickabout15:44
christel:(15:44
christeli am sending him to rugby tots when he's two (that's their age requirement)15:44
AlanBellchristel: do you think czajkowski will sit still for the game?15:44
zleapsounds good15:44
christelAlanBell: good point!15:44
zleapwe have under 7s rugby (6 year olds)15:45
Pendulumchristel: would he have to sit still the entire match? Every pro-sporting event I've been to has had some space where you could walk around and still see the field (and you could go back and forth from your seats, of course)15:45
zleapPendulum, perhaps to avoid upsetting other people yeah15:46
* Pendulum shrugs15:46
PendulumI've never been in a rugby stadium so wasn't sure how they'd match up with the sorts of stadiums I've been in15:46
Pendulumnext time I'm in the UK, I really should find a match to go to15:46
matttPendulum: madejeski is a football stadium primarily15:46
zleapPendulum,  where are you15:46
Pendulummattt: yeah, not been in that sort of football stadium either15:47
Pendulumzleap: US. I hang out here because I have more mates in the UK than the US15:47
Pendulumwell, and because czajkowski told me to ;-)15:47
zleapah,  yeah not been in a stadium here,  but been in the rogers stadium in toronto,  if that is typical of baseball stadia then there is far more room etc15:48
matttthat's not a typical baseball stadium :P15:48
Pendulumhaven't been in rogers, but I suspect it's close to the baseball stadiums and football stadiums I've been in15:48
Pendulumat least in terms of room15:48
zleapmore room to move around, lots of eating places etc15:49
zleapmore family friendly15:49
matttzleap: you from toronto?15:49
Pendulummy favourite for moving around is Citizen's Bank Park in Philly because the entire concourse opens up to the field so no matter where you are, you can turn around and see the field if something happens15:49
zleapPaignton, i was in toronto a few years ago while in canada15:49
Pendulumzleap: did you live there or just on a visit?15:49
zleapwas on work canada so had a 1 year work visa,  so was in toronto,  then up on a summer camp then in vancouver15:50
zleapso yeah was living in canada15:50
mattti lived in toronto for a bunch of years15:51
Pendulumnice15:51
PendulumI used to do a lot of work with an NGO in Toronto15:52
zleapso got to see 2 baseball games15:52
Pendulumso have been several times, but always "work" related :(15:52
zleapPendulum, u been to linuxcaffe15:52
PendulumI keep meaning to go back and actually see more of the city15:52
Pendulumzleap: nah, this was before I was a geek, back when I was in high school.15:53
zleapah15:53
Pendulumzleap: the NGO was Free the Children (which seems to be decently well known in Canada)15:53
zleapwhat does NGO mean15:53
Pendulumnon-governmental organisation15:53
zleapah15:53
Pendulumso charity, essentially15:53
Pendulumwell, charity if you're in the UK, non-profit if you're in the US15:54
zleapi was on a summer camp for a few months as maintenance, great experience15:54
Pendulumheh15:55
zleapquite a few rugby teams in toronto too, which is good15:56
zleapI am currently e-mailing a local charity group to try and see if they can promote free software and ubuntu to the local people16:00
zleapesp as that area is classed as deprived,  knowing there are alternatives to MS office could be useful16:01
Pendulumzleap: do you know about the Ubuntu NGO team?16:06
zleapnope16:06
Pendulumit's kinda dead at the moment, but I'd like to at least get more profiles of NGOs on it16:06
Pendulumit's more aimed at looking at NGOs using (or interested in using) open source, but I wonder if there might be some resources that would be helpful for you, too16:07
Pendulumhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/NGO16:07
zleapI will let them know about that, thanks16:07
zleapso far there are links to ubuntu, the uk loco page,  and ubuntu youth16:07
zleapI am trying to suggest a) people can save money using libreoffice etc16:08
Pendulum:)16:08
Pendulumnot to mention, so many people already use FireFox16:08
zleapalso trying to suggest that by getting invovled and using ubuntu people can develop useful skills16:08
Pendulumyeah16:08
zleapalso made a point that schools should not peanalise people for using libreoffice16:08
zleapso there is a link to the oasis site too, to show that odf is a proper format16:08
Pendulum*nods*16:09
zleapi have head of that happening,  and its up to young people to stop it happening16:09
zleapam i right in thinking that an essay is an essay it's what is in it, that is important not the tool being used16:09
Pendulumwhen I was in uni all my papers were handed in physically so the odt issue didn't really come up other than when I had to get my thesis bound and had to provide files (at which point I converted to a PDF)16:10
Pendulumactually, that's not true, I couldn't get the PDF to format how I wanted so I converted to Word and checked the formatting16:10
Pendulumbut I tried to do it all open source16:10
zleapthis is where latex is useful16:11
zleapif you have time to learn how to use it16:11
zleapproblem is we are up against Microsoft is everything mentality,  they fail to see that population they serve may not be able to actuall afford MS office (even student edition)16:15
daubersAfternoon16:21
zleapAfternoon16:22
andylockranhowdy all16:25
zleaphi16:30
Supermanintightsi've decided to start my ubuntu/windows dualboot again17:01
jacobwwhy?17:02
Supermanintightsseeing as 6 hours work eventually told me i did it with GUID Partition Table which was apparently unusual17:02
Supermanintightsi got into ubuntu - but it doesn't recognise my windows OS as installed17:02
Supermanintightsi was told to post a bug - #90995517:03
jacobwoh17:03
jacobwen.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUID_Partition_Table#Windows_x64_64-bit_versions17:04
jacobwassuming your windows partition still exists, it should be detected by grub-install17:05
Supermanintightsstill there17:05
Supermanintightsdo i type grub-install into a terminal then?17:05
jacobwgrub-install is run by the intaller to generate the bootloader configuration and install it to to the mbr17:05
jacobwhow do you know its still there? can you access it?17:06
Supermanintightssure, if i boot from HDD - it's there17:06
Supermanintightsif you look on my bug report, i also copied from terminal the results from fdisk -l17:06
jacobwok17:07
Supermanintightswhich shows (according to Penguin guy from last night) that windows is there17:07
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jutnuxpopey: What is the VPS host that you use again? :-)17:20
brobostigonbitfolk?17:20
jutnuxThat is it.17:21
jutnuxThanks17:21
brobostigon:)17:22
brobostigoni use the same vps company.17:22
jacobwiirc bitfolk sponsered oggcamp this year17:22
jacobw:|17:22
jutnuxI have hard good things about them.17:22
jacobwsponsored*17:22
DJonesYeah, bitfolk have started running a minecraft server after testing by popey for bitfolk customers, thats been excellent17:25
jutnuxI might purchase a VPS.17:30
gordonjcpjutnux: it's quick and cost-effective17:32
brobostigonand you get to get your own hands dirty and do the admin.17:32
swat_evening all17:35
jutnuxHowdy ho.17:35
swat_how we doing?17:35
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Supermanintightsguy17:49
Supermanintightss17:49
Supermanintightsi've just reinstalled windows17:49
Supermanintightsand i'm now in disk management to shrink partition17:49
Supermanintightsi'm looking to have 50gb for windows, and 30 for ubuntu17:49
Supermanintightsbut i also want a 3rd partition for Data/Media17:50
Supermanintightshow much of that should I do in Windows Disk Management?17:50
Supermanintightswtf18:09
Supermanintightsits still not finding the installed operating system when i try install18:09
Supermanintightsi just installed windows a few minutes ago - there were no issues installing it18:09
jutnuxHave you installed it correctly?18:12
Supermanintightswindows? yeah18:12
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: What _do_ you see in the Ubuntu installer? Can you make a screenshot? (use a camera if necessary)18:12
SupermanintightsMartijnVdS - i made a bug last night, i had the same problem last night - someone told me to report it18:12
Supermanintights#90995518:13
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: sure, but you might be clicking on the wrong bit somewhere we don't know18:13
Supermanintightsscreenshots are there18:13
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: accidentally?18:13
MartijnVdSah18:13
MartijnVdSno idea then18:13
Supermanintightsi went through it step by step with someone last night18:13
Supermanintightsurgh18:13
MartijnVdSI just installed Windows on the entire disk18:14
MartijnVdSand let Ubuntu resize the partition18:14
Supermanintightshmm, maybe that's where i'm going wrong18:14
Supermanintightsi'll resize it back in windows - and then try that18:14
MartijnVdSshould not be a problem18:14
MartijnVdSbut who knows18:14
Supermanintightsfailing that, i hae no idea - i might just have to choose one or the other :(18:14
MartijnVdSis it GPT or MBR?18:14
Supermanintightsfrom what i did last night on the bug - the copied text mentions something about GPT18:15
Supermanintightsi have no idea on what any of this lot is18:15
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: Let me tell you a story ... :)18:15
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: it's a story about dividing large disks into chunks :)18:15
* Supermanintights sits down excitedly for story time, after grabbing milk and cookies18:15
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: Long ago, in the DOS age, disks had a sector at the beginning that are special18:16
MartijnVdS(disks are read in blocks of 512 or 1024 bytes -- a sector)18:16
MartijnVdSThis is called the "boot sector" or "master boot record"18:16
* Supermanintights nods18:16
MartijnVdSit contains a small program that can load the rest of the OS, or a better OS loader like grub18:17
MartijnVdSit also contains a partition table18:17
MartijnVdSBut as this was the DOS age, people didn't think disks would ever be >2TB18:17
MartijnVdSor that people would ever need >4 (later 8) partitions18:17
Supermanintightsto be fair, didn't IBM founder predict that the world market of computers would be like 8?18:18
MartijnVdSWhen that limit came close, a new way of describing disk partitions was invented, GPT18:18
MartijnVdS(GUID partition table)18:18
MartijnVdSwhich is supported by the new-style BIOS ("EFI") which is slowly replacing the (also DOS-era) BIOS.18:18
MartijnVdSand Windows Vista and up18:19
MartijnVdSand MacOS, and LInux18:19
MartijnVdSso GPT isn't bad, it's just buggy in the Ubuntu installer ;)18:19
Supermanintightsah, i'm with you18:19
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Supermanintightssooo, what should i do about it? or what can I do about it then?18:19
MartijnVdSHow large is the disk in total?18:20
Supermanintights500gb18:20
Supermanintightsalthough in reality tad smaller18:21
MartijnVdSsure18:21
MartijnVdSis wiping an option?18:21
Supermanintightslol18:21
MartijnVdS(just asking :))18:21
Supermanintightsthat's all i've been doing18:21
MartijnVdSOK18:21
Supermanintightsi just got rid of OSX18:21
MartijnVdSOSX?18:21
MartijnVdSOn a PC?18:21
Supermanintightsyeah, decided to hackintosh18:21
MartijnVdSthat would explain why it's GPT :)18:21
MartijnVdSNew MacOSes expect that18:22
Supermanintightsbasically - straigt wipe 25-30gb ubuntu, 50gb windows, the rest as a 3rd partition for media/data18:22
MartijnVdSyou're need to revert to a non-gpt partiton table. I don't know of an easy way to do that18:22
MartijnVdSexcept zero'ing the first MB or so of the disk18:22
Supermanintightshow hard is the non-easy way?18:22
MartijnVdSThe non-easy way is:18:22
MartijnVdSinsert ubuntu CD, open terminal, type "sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1" (make sure that's the disk!!!!! or you'll wipe the wrong one)18:23
MartijnVdSthen reboot with the Windows installer DVD18:23
MartijnVdSit'll think the disk is empty18:23
MartijnVdSinstall it with a "legacy", "old-style" or "MBR" partition table18:24
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: or http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc725797.aspx18:24
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: ^^ that's easier and non-destructive18:24
MartijnVdSwait18:25
MartijnVdSthat's ALSO destructive18:25
MartijnVdSanyway, time for teh foodz. I think you have a few options now ;)18:25
Supermanintightslol18:26
Supermanintightsthanks man18:26
Supermanintightsappreciate it18:26
Supermanintightsa bit of that went over my head18:26
Supermanintightsbut18:26
Supermanintightsworst comes to worst i buy a new laptop and start again18:26
Supermanintights:P18:26
MartijnVdSthe decadence ;)18:28
SupermanintightsMartijnVdS - when you're back, i followed the guide, and when i type clean - after selecting the disk, it says "Virtual Disk Service error: Clean is not allowed on the disk containing the current boot, system, pagefile, crashdump or hibernation volume" - do you have any suggestions, or do you know the best channel to visit to get more support on this?18:43
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: I was wrong about the Windows guide -- it requires the disk to be empty as well18:46
Supermanintightsalso, i just went into disk management, then went to properties - according to disk properties - the partition style is already set to MBR18:46
MartijnVdSHmmm18:46
Supermanintightsi can take a picture if it helps18:46
MartijnVdSI'm out of ideas, sorry18:47
Supermanintightsno need apologise - you've helped.  ubuntu reckons it's GPT - as per the result of fdisk -l, windows reckons it's MBR18:47
MartijnVdSwith my other method, both will make it MBR again18:47
Supermanintightsi vaguely remember setting it to GPT when i set up the hackintosh, in the OSX install screen18:47
* Supermanintights goes up to read18:48
Supermanintightsusing ubuntu terminal?18:48
MartijnVdSyes, from the live environment18:48
Supermanintightsok, now - i don't know how to read disk's from the terminal commands18:49
Supermanintightsit's been 12 months, so i'm rusty18:49
Supermanintights"sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M count=1" - sda = disk?18:49
Supermanintightsand how do i make sure thats right? do an fdisk -l ?18:49
MartijnVdSyes, make sure the disk is named /dev/sda18:49
MartijnVdSyes18:49
MartijnVdSthat would be a good way18:49
Supermanintightsi think it was sda1, but i'll definitely check18:50
Supermanintightsok, just rebooting into the liveusb environment18:50
MartijnVdSyes if it's sda, strip the 1 -> /dev/sda18:50
MartijnVdSbut make sure you don't do the USB disk -- that mighjt be sda18:50
Supermanintightslol18:50
Supermanintightsthat wouldn't be clever :P18:50
Supermanintightsok, as i understand it (not great), sda = 500gb, and has sda 1 and sda2 listed as devices underneath it, and then sdb = usb18:53
Supermanintightsso i just have sda? or sda1 or sda2?18:53
Supermanintightsi can take screeny/pastebin if needbe18:53
MartijnVdSuse sda18:53
MartijnVdSthat's the entire disk18:53
Supermanintightsgreat18:54
Supermanintightsok18:54
MartijnVdSthe other ones are partitions -- which don't contain the partition table in them :)18:54
Supermanintightslets go18:54
MartijnVdSSO you're wiping the entire disk(!)18:54
Supermanintightsyay18:54
Supermanintightswhatever it takes to work18:54
MartijnVdSI like to make sure people know they'll lose all their data ;)18:54
Supermanintightsyeah, i'd already formatted - want to just get this sorted - then i'll worry about recovering data from corrupted external later18:55
Supermanintightsok, error came through (as is my luck) - dd: opening dev/sda : no such file or directory18:57
MartijnVdS/dev/sda, with a / in front18:57
Supermanintightsooopss, thanks18:57
Supermanintightsthink it's done it18:58
Supermanintights1+0 records in, 1+0 records out, 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) copied, 0.0111391 s, 94.1MB/s - it's now flashing on :~$18:59
MartijnVdSOK, the first MB of your disk is now all zeroes18:59
MartijnVdSreboot with the WIndows installer disk18:59
Supermanintightscool - when i install and select partitions, should i just partition entire disk to windows - and worry about the repartitioning when i get to ubuntu?19:00
MartijnVdSexactly19:00
Supermanintightsawesome - thanks so much for your help btw, spent 8 hours on this so far, and got nowhere really until just19:01
Supermanintightsdo i need to do anything special about the MBR thing now - or will installer do all that for me automatically?19:02
MartijnVdSIf the installer gives you an option, make sure it's ticked :)19:03
Supermanintightsno option, installing now19:04
MartijnVdShttp://i.qkme.me/2G.jpg19:28
Supermanintightserm19:32
SupermanintightsMartijnVdS - it seems to still think i'm  on GPT19:32
MartijnVdS:(19:32
MartijnVdSthen I have no idea19:32
Supermanintightsknow of any specialist guy/channel i can speak to?19:33
MartijnVdSno idea19:33
Supermanintightsi don't really care what it takes - remote access, whatever - i just want to sort this so i can carry on working19:33
* Supermanintights cries19:33
Supermanintightsok, i'll see what i can figure out19:34
MartijnVdSwhy don't you just install Ubuntu and Windows side by side, not touching the Windows partition from the Ubuntu installer19:34
MartijnVdSand then adding Windows to grub afterwards manually19:34
Supermanintightsi'll be honest - i'm just following guides from other people19:35
Supermanintightsall i want is 3 partitions, windows, ubuntu, and media - with media being accessible from both OS19:35
MartijnVdSOK, then install Windows as always19:36
brobostigonubuntu will need two partitions, root and swap.19:36
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: it doesn't need swap, you can use a swap file if you want... more work but can be done19:37
brobostigonMartijnVdS: agreed, true, yes.19:37
MartijnVdSbut if you're going for easy.. yes go for the partition :)19:37
brobostigon:)19:37
Supermanintightshmm, i just played around on gparted out of boredom - and i'm in the create new partition window - erasing the entire disk.  how do i make sure it's MBR?19:38
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: dunno19:40
brobostigonSupermanintights: i brleieve that option is in the main gparted window ,emu's.19:40
Supermanintightsemus?19:40
brobostigonmenu's*19:41
Supermanintightshmm19:41
Supermanintightsi just played with a few things in gparted now - how can i test to see what it is?19:42
Supermanintightsi just did fdisk -l but there's nothing to say it's gpt or not19:42
brobostigonSupermanintights: device menu, create partition table.19:42
Supermanintightsi'd like to see if i can check before having to do the whole rigamarole of instaling windows then going back to ubuntu to see if it works19:42
Supermanintightsthat's what i've done brobostigon - just formatted to ntfs19:43
Supermanintightsthe entire disk19:43
brobostigonok.19:43
Supermanintightsok, lets try installing windows again, see if it works19:47
MartijnVdSood luck19:47
MartijnVdS+g19:47
MartijnVdSood luck would be very Doctorish19:48
Supermanintightsi'll take them all19:50
Supermanintights5th time in 2 days i've installed windows19:50
jacobwouch19:50
jacobwwhat do you use windows for?19:51
Supermanintightsbest of it is - windows installs fine, it's ubuntu that gives me the problem19:51
Supermanintightserm19:51
Supermanintightsgames, photohsop/dreamweaver/other adobe stuff19:51
Supermanintightsthat'll be the main thing19:51
jacobwok19:51
Supermanintightsand then i'll be testing them both to see which is better for running and playing media19:51
jacobwdepends on graphics drivers19:52
Supermanintightsnvidia one, in a laptop (model = toshiba satellite a-50019:52
brobostigonalso go with the same piece of software on both, so to make that software equal, so it actually tests the underlying system.19:52
Supermanintightssure - generally only use vlc, or xbmc if i have the time and energy to set that up as it should19:54
brobostigonok, because then it is a proper test, and tests the right things.19:54
Supermanintightsboth are ported to ubuntu/windows - so should be a like for like comparison, or close to19:54
brobostigonagreed.19:55
jacobwdoes anyone use tramp or etckeeper?19:57
jacobwi want to be able to pull and push files to and from servers keeping a local changelog of edits i've made19:57
brobostigonnever heard of either.19:57
jacobwtramps is an elisp to pull from ssh, edit and push back20:04
jacobwtramp*20:06
MartijnVdSvim can do that too20:06
jacobwi know20:06
* MartijnVdS is scared of elisp20:06
jacobw(why (would (that (be)))) ?20:07
MartijnVdSexactly20:07
SupermanintightsYES20:16
Supermanintightsfdisk -l suggests it's not formatted to gpt20:16
Supermanintightsnow do i dare test the ubuntu install20:16
jacobw`sudo parted -l | grep Table:` ?20:18
Supermanintights??20:18
Supermanintightsmy install ubuntu looks to have spazzed out - just connected to wifi on 3rd page, pressed continue, and the cursor loading has been going for a couple of minutes ow20:19
jacobwwhat part of the install is it doing?20:20
Supermanintights3rd page - connect to wifi20:20
Supermanintightsjust connected to wifi20:20
Supermanintightsnow just loading - without doing anything20:20
Supermanintightsis there a ubuntu task manager? so i can close this and try starting again?20:20
SupermanintightsYEEEEEEEESSS20:30
Supermanintightsok20:30
Supermanintightsit's worked20:30
Supermanintightsfinally20:30
Supermanintightsnow, for anyone who is still with me in this VERY long, tiring journey - do i select install ubuntu alongside windows 7 or something else?  I want to have 3 partitions, 1 win7, 1 ubuntu, and 1 large media/storage partition.20:31
Supermanintights^^ anyone have any suggestions/recommendations which option to select - install alongside, or go to the something else option (create/resize partitions yourself)20:34
jacobwif you want to share a parition between ubuntu and windows it has be a filesystem both can use20:34
Supermanintightsi've been (very very loosely) following this guide: http://lifehacker.com/5403100/dual+boot-windows-7-and-ubuntu-in-perfect-harmony20:34
jacobwyou should choose 'something else' because the installer won't do this for you20:34
Supermanintightsok cool20:35
Supermanintightsthanks jacobw20:35
jacobwhow much ram do you have?20:35
Supermanintights4gb20:36
jacobwok, create a 16GB root extended partition and a 4GB swap extended partiton after your ntfs partition[s] and after those a fat32 parition to end of the disk20:37
jacobwyou can have your home parition on the the 16GB root parition and mount the fat32 parition as /mnt/storage and symlink to it from your home directory20:38
Supermanintightswhy fat32?  what's the fat32 for?  cos i use large movie files etc. i never like touching it if i can help it20:38
* jacobw check if ntfs works properly yet20:39
Supermanintightsit seemed to work well for my old external on ntfs 12 months or so ago20:39
jacobwunder linux?20:39
Supermanintightsubuntu natty i think it was20:39
jacobwtry it20:40
Supermanintightsi had a 1tb external usb - that was ntfs, seemed fine20:40
Supermanintightsok, so noob questions alert - do i go to add or new partition table?20:40
jacobwadd20:41
Supermanintightsit's currently showing /sda - /sda1 - type:ntfs - 500mb, 16gb used20:42
Supermanintightsit won't let me click add - unless i select /sda120:42
jacobwthe disk is 500GB?20:43
Supermanintightsyeah20:43
jacobwand the ntfs is 500GB?20:43
Supermanintightssorry, that was my typo20:43
Supermanintightsyeah20:43
Supermanintightsi just installed windows to entire disk first20:43
Supermanintightsnow i want to have windows at 50gb, unbuntu at 25gb - rest as storage (and anything else i need to have - take out of storage capacity - if that makes sense)20:44
jacobwok, resize ntfs20:44
Supermanintightsthat's the windows - so change it to 51200 for 50gb?20:45
jacobwyes20:45
Supermanintightsuse as: ?20:45
jacobwdo not use20:45
Supermanintightsrunning now20:46
jacobwmake sure format is unchecked as well20:46
Supermanintights^^20:46
Supermanintightsok, that's done20:46
Supermanintightsi now have 448906mb free space20:46
zleaphello20:46
jacobwhi zleap :)20:46
zleaphi20:47
zleaphow are you?20:47
jacobwadd, extended partition, type ext4, use as root, size 21GB20:47
Supermanintightsi can only click primary or logical?20:48
jacobwextended/logical :)20:48
jacobwi'm ok zleap, looking forward to the new year, how are you?20:48
Supermanintightsis "use as root" = beginning?20:49
Supermanintightsand what's the mount point?20:49
Supermanintights(if those questions are answered in what you said - and i'm being retarded - i apologise in advance)20:49
zleapsame20:50
jacobwthe root partition is the top of the filesystem20:50
Supermanintightsso "/"?20:50
Supermanintightsunder mount point?20:50
jacobwyes20:50
Supermanintightsand then location = beginning?20:50
jacobwyes20:50
Supermanintightsdone20:50
Supermanintightsnow it's for the swap extended?20:53
Supermanintightsso far: logical, 4096, beginning, swap area, <unsure on mount point> - is that all correct?20:55
jacobwyes20:55
Supermanintightswhat's the mount point? "/"20:56
jacobwwhere is appears in the filesystem tree20:58
jacobwit*20:58
jacobwfor example, if you mounted the largest partition as /mnt/storage and navigated to /mnt/storage you should see its files20:59
Supermanintightscool - so i got /sda - /sda1 - /sda5 (ext4) - swap - 423gb free space20:59
jacobwok21:00
Supermanintightsso do i do the rest now as NTFS?21:01
Supermanintightsor am i missing something?21:02
jacobwsee if it will create ntfs partitions21:02
jacobwi don't know whether it does21:02
Supermanintights:(21:02
Supermanintightsshould i create the ntfs in windows then maybe? or gparted?21:03
jacobwgparted will21:03
Supermanintightsso leave as free space for now - carry on installation?21:03
jacobwyes21:03
Supermanintightsinstalling to the /sda5 - ext4?21:03
jacobwyes21:03
Supermanintightscool21:04
Supermanintightsrunning now21:04
jacobwmy mail server working is an anticlimax :|21:04
jacobwroundcube webmail should be the next task21:05
zleapi have that running on the server i use21:06
Supermanintightsjacobw - do i want to important windows 7?21:13
zleap?21:14
Supermanintightsit'll be completely empty - haven't even installed a single driver yet21:14
jacobwyes21:14
Supermanintightscool, thanks - installing now21:15
zleapyou installing windows first21:15
Supermanintightsyeah21:15
Supermanintightsshould i not be doing that zleap?  i was told to do it this way around..21:18
zleapthat is fine,  i find if you have linux installed windows over writes the boot loader21:18
Supermanintightsyeah, few people mentioned that - read about that as well21:19
zleapi had a problem a while back had to re-install windows, caused all sorts of problems21:19
zleapas i had dual boot its fixed but its just a pain21:19
Supermanintightsive had to install windows about 5 times so far (long story, been a PITA to sort, and taken about 10 hours of work so far over last 2 days) ad i've finally got the ball rolling21:19
zleapah21:20
zleaplast timne it messed up i found the xp repair option21:20
zleapthat seemed to work without messing with the boot sector  i guess it depends on why u need to re-install21:20
Supermanintightsmine kept running as GPT - tried several times to change, but eventually i got it fixed21:21
zleapGPT21:21
Supermanintightsyeah21:21
zleapwhat does that mean21:21
Supermanintightsguid partition table21:21
zleapah21:21
zleapSupermanintights, so how many pcs u got21:25
Supermanintightserm21:25
zleapi am guessing more than 1 as you are in here adn installing at the same time21:25
Supermanintightsi've stolen mums laptop while she's away21:25
zleapah21:25
zleaplol21:25
Supermanintightsi've got a pc upstairs, but no monitor21:25
zleapi got 1 old pc 1 netbook 1 emachines mini pc21:26
zleapand 1 monitor between 2 pcs21:26
Supermanintights:P21:26
Supermanintightsmost of my stuff is in london21:27
Supermanintightsonly back for xmas so just brought my laptop21:27
zleapah21:27
zleapsounds good21:27
Supermanintightswhile i'm back - get rid of OSX, put windows/ubuntu on together21:27
zleapohh sounds good21:28
Supermanintightsproject took FAR longer than anticipated - but it's nearly sorted now21:28
zleapsounds about par the course,21:28
zleapthis is why irc is useful21:28
Supermanintights^^21:28
Supermanintightshad i been relying on websites/forums - because of massive delay between responses/no feedback - i'd have given up probably (not knowing about partition types) - and just chosen one or the other21:29
jacobwirc > forums21:29
zleapthis channel is usually quite active21:30
Supermanintightssince ive arrived i've pretty much monopolised it21:30
Supermanintightsso blame me :P21:30
zleapthats fine21:30
zleapi was letting jacobw help you rather than trying to have a different conversation21:30
zleapand messing things up21:30
Supermanintights:P appreciate it - i have no idea what i'm doing on this dualboot - and left to my own devices it's just going to go downhill21:31
zleapnp21:31
Supermanintightsjust need to use gparted to put last bit as NTFS - figure out how to get everything to speak to each other - then i'm sorted :D21:31
zleaplooking at the 11.10 insall it seems pretty good21:31
zleapdetects stuff like previous installs and lets tyou keep them, or wipe them21:32
zleapand keeps old data and just upgrades21:32
Supermanintightssweet21:32
Supermanintightshaven't used ubuntu for about 12 months now21:32
zleapah21:32
zleapi am still on 11.04 but 2nd pc has 11.1021:32
jacobw12.04 is where its at :p21:33
zleapit even found my user account on windows xp adn offered to import my user account stuff (data)21:33
zleapalpha 121:33
Supermanintightscan you run 12.04? what's it like?21:33
zleapyou can run 12.04 but its alpha so prone to breakage etc21:33
AlanBellit is like 11.10 but better in places21:33
jacobwits alpha1 but its the next lts release so its 11.10 with newer packages21:34
Supermanintightsawesome21:34
zleapAlanBell, i put up my 11.10 and 12.04 posters today at the place where my local lug meet in paignton, also left my mini flyers and some cds21:34
zleapi really hope that my e-mail to a local chairty that works in one of the poorest areas of torbay works21:36
zleapsuggested they promote ubuntu and the open disc21:36
zleaphi zebedee321:41
ali1234popey: why do you keep trolling g+ with UX posts?21:44
MartijnVdSali1234: someone has to post on there..21:44
zleapi post stuff21:44
ali1234if i wasn't busy i'd write the ultimate post explaining why everyone is wrong21:44
MartijnVdSali1234: http://xkcd.com/386/21:45
zleapwrong about what21:45
ali1234everything21:45
zleapin what way21:45
ali1234well21:45
MartijnVdSEVERY way21:45
ali1234everyone uses the same broken argument21:45
zleapi postged a link to a new game the other day21:45
ali1234when a new UI comes out, people who don't like it make the same argument every time: "oh great, yet another UI"21:46
MartijnVdSzleap: I post photos on it21:46
ali1234apparently when unity was released, it was a good time for "yet another UI"21:46
ali1234but when someone forks gnome, it's not21:46
ali1234but of course it depends on your perspetive21:46
zleapi would rather spend time telling people about ubuntu etc21:46
ali1234then there is the other argument that these people make:21:46
ali1234"if you want to use a crappy old desktop just use XFCE"21:47
zleapali1234, if all you have is old hardware at least you have a choice21:47
ali1234well, given that XFCE is useless and badly maintained, i think that if there are too many UIs and some have to go (see argument 1), then XFCE should be the ones who give up and let someone else try21:47
Supermanintightsso i've ust gt into the ubuntu desktop - are sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade good things to do to start off with?21:48
zleapxfce is the one that has a start menu type thing right21:48
ali1234considerng that XFCE doesn't even handle DPI correctly, and never has, and likely never will... why exactly do people continue to work on it?21:48
ali1234and what are those people even doing?21:48
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: sure, there's update-manager if you prefer a clicky-clicky way21:48
ali1234they're certainly not making it *good*21:48
jacobwSupermanintights: yes, although update manager will handles those things for you21:48
Supermanintightswhich is easiest? i'm happy to leave it all to computer/ubuntu to sort, as i have no idea what to do/get21:49
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: clicking is easier, but you already know the command, so shell is easy too as long as you know your password :)21:49
ali1234and speaking of badly maintained. does unity have a RCS that supports bisect yet?21:49
MartijnVdShttp://doc.bazaar.canonical.com/plugins/en/bisect-plugin.html21:50
zleapas i said would rather spend my time promoting ubuntu,  but u have a point,  people dont llike change21:50
MartijnVdSali1234: as a plugin21:50
Supermanintightsali1234 - are you having a bad day? :P21:50
zleaphence the comments i guess,21:50
MartijnVdSSupermanintights: he's always this bitter :)21:50
Supermanintightsfair enogh21:51
MartijnVdShmm.. bitter21:51
* jacobw makes more coffee21:51
* Supermanintights wonders wat to do for food - seeing as it's now 10pm21:51
ali1234MartijnVdS: that plugin does not work.21:51
zleapwhat i need is more lpeople locally to me who can support it21:52
MartijnVdSali1234: so fix it21:52
ali1234MartijnVdS: it's inherantly unfixable due to the way bzr works21:52
zleapso we can provide help on a local level21:52
MartijnVdSali1234: so join the team and fix it21:52
ali1234MartijnVdS: but this is the same team that complains whenever someone else wants to start a new project instead of using an existing one21:53
ali1234the same team that constantly invents new projects that are inferior to everything else21:53
jacobwwhich team is this?21:54
MartijnVdSTeam Not-ali123421:54
directhexSupermanintights: just-eat.co.uk21:55
MartijnVdS\o/ just-eat21:55
jacobwjust-eat.nl?21:56
MartijnVdSjacobw: thuisbezorgd.nl is the same place I think?21:56
MartijnVdSoh no they're pizza.co.uk21:57
MartijnVdSI order something about once a year :)21:57
zleapwb ubuntubhoy22:05
ubuntubhoycheers22:07
MartijnVdS\o/22:07
archieanyone there22:09
zleapme22:09
archiecan you help with burning cds22:09
zleapmay be able to22:10
archiewell i got a .iso file and i burnt it to a cd22:10
zleaphave you tried right click burn to cd22:10
archiebut it dosent boot it22:10
zleapok22:10
archiei loaded in the cd22:10
AlanBellhow did you burn it?22:10
archiethen clicked write to disk22:10
AlanBellon Ubuntu?22:10
zleapif your using brassero  try burning at a lower speed22:10
AlanBelland is the .iso a bootable CD?22:11
zleapclick properties you can change the write speed22:11
archiehang on22:11
archieyeah22:11
archieand im off to get more disks22:11
zleapok22:11
archieright its loading in now22:13
zleapk22:13
zleaparchie, out of interest you have told the computer bios to boot from cd right22:13
archieyeah22:13
archielol i have some knolege of computers its just linux22:14
archieits new to me22:14
zleapthats ok, sounds obvious but its usually the most obvious that gets overlooked22:14
archielol22:14
AlanBellso you are using Ubuntu to burn a CD of an Ubuntu .iso you downloaded right?22:14
zleape,.g  network problerms,22:14
zleapcheck cable is plugged in really helps22:14
archiei click burn to disk with brasso or whatever22:15
archiethen it comes up with a disk on the launcher and i cant click it then it goes away22:15
archieno22:16
archieive allready got them22:16
archiethere next22:16
archieim getting a multi operating22:16
archiewith windws xp22:16
zleapok22:16
zleapso right now u have dual boot windows and linux or just have windows22:17
archieill try load up brasso22:17
archiethen do it from there22:17
zleapok22:17
AlanBellarchie: so is it an Ubuntu 11.10 iso or 12.04 or something?22:19
archieim on umm22:20
archiehang on22:20
archie11.1022:21
zleapok22:21
zleaphttp://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ if it helps22:21
archieis 12 that one with the launcher in the bottom22:21
archieno i have the thing22:21
archieits a .iso that you burn to a dvd isnt it22:21
zleap12,04 is the development version22:21
archieoh22:22
zleapnormal ubuntu fits on a cd22:22
archieah22:22
AlanBellso what is the iso you are burning? I want confirmation that it is a bootable iso!22:22
archieim burning xp to a dvd22:22
archiexp is22:22
archieis22:22
archieiso22:22
zleapi thought u were burning ubuntyu22:22
AlanBellerr, well we can't support that22:22
archieugh22:22
archiei only want a bootable dvd22:23
AlanBellwell if you take an ubuntu .iso and write it to CD or DVD then it boots22:23
zleapis this a legal copy of windows if its an iso22:23
archiemaybe22:23
archieidc22:23
zleapok22:24
AlanBell!warez22:24
lubotu3piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music, and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o22:24
archieits not pirated22:24
Azelphuryou can download the windows iso from microsoft.com now can't you?22:24
archieits legal from the windows website22:24
zleapok thats fine22:24
archieim gonna be restarting in a minute22:25
zleapsometimes piracted copies you can't do stuff so ruling out that is one step to helping i guess22:25
archiei didnt have any problems with windows22:25
AlanBellcan you download a bootable .iso or is it just service packs and things?22:26
archieits an iso22:26
AlanBelldoesn't mean it is bootable :)22:26
archieaww22:26
archieits from microsoft and they say its bootabel22:26
AlanBellmy best of Queen CD I got for christmas is a CD but it isn't bootable22:26
archiebut are the files .iso22:27
archieand is there only one file22:27
AlanBella .iso file is an image of a CD filesystem, if I used dd to copy my best of queen CD to disk it would be a .iso22:27
archieoh22:28
AlanBellthere wouldn't be separate tracks for Bohemian Rhapsody etc22:28
archiebut its from microsoft22:28
AlanBellyeah, you would be better off with a Queen CD22:28
archiei sense argument22:28
AlanBell;)22:28
AlanBellgive us a link to the download page so we can see what it is you have22:29
archieugh22:29
archieits gone22:29
archiego to the microsoft website22:29
archieand its xp22:29
zleapthey don't support xp any more iirc22:29
archieorly22:29
archiego to the website22:30
AlanBellhttp://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows/downloads/windows-xp there is the service pack, but no bootable iso I can see22:30
Supermanintightslol22:31
Supermanintightsjust read all that - amusing dialogue then22:31
AlanBellanother one bites the dust ;)22:33
zleapi mean with direct updates22:34
Supermanintights[22:27] <AlanBell> a .iso file is an image of a CD filesystem, if I used dd to copy my best of queen CD to disk it would be a .iso22:34
Supermanintights[22:28] <archie> oh22:34
Supermanintights[22:28] <AlanBell> there wouldn't be separate tracks for Bohemian Rhapsody etc22:34
Supermanintights[22:28] <archie> but its from microsoft22:34
Supermanintights[22:28] <AlanBell> yeah, you would be better off with a Queen CD - cracked me up big time22:34
jacobw#ubuntu-uk is very similar to ##windows :|22:35
christelhaha22:35
christeleasily confused indeed22:36
Azelphurhehe22:36
AlanBellcan anyone help me get my Queen CD to boot?22:37
* jacobw is disturbed by the idea of an OS designed by Brian May22:38
Supermanintightshmm... everytime you try to click shutdown - a message pops up saying "don't!!! stop me now!  I'm having a good time, don't wanna stop at alllllll"22:39
jacobwha, you've reminded of the gnome3 'no shutdown button' stupidity22:39
jacobwme*22:39
Supermanintightsooohh? what's this?22:39
brobostigonis it possible, to have too much dark, dairy free, chocolate at once?22:40
jacobwin gnome3 there is no shutdown button22:40
jacobwyou have to log out and then shutdown from the login screen22:41
Supermanintightsirritating22:41
Supermanintightsid get bored of that and just hold the off button22:41
jacobwone of the many ways they've made gnome3 better22:41
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* jacobw is excited about the new sherlock series22:44
jacobwi've already seen the new film, its great :)22:44
matttjacobw: oooh, when?22:44
jacobw01.01.1222:44
matttwoot!22:44
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Supermanintightswhat's the best mail app22:46
Supermanintightsthe ubuntu mail program, or is there another?22:46
Supermanintightsi'll be wanting to use calendars, mail (multiple accounts) etc.22:47
jacobwwhat do you mean by the ubuntu mail program?22:47
Supermanintightswhatever comes installed with the operating system/22:47
jacobwif you're using 11.10 that would be thunderbird22:47
jacobwiirc its evolution in 11.0422:47
Supermanintightswhich is better - thunderbird or evol?22:47
jacobwevolution is old and stupid22:48
jacobwthunderbird is under active development and is much faster22:49
Supermanintightshmm, ok22:49
jacobwthere's also kmail which is part of kde pim22:49
Supermanintightsif i want to have one that works well with calendars which is best?22:50
jacobwwhat do you mean by calendars? local calendars or ical/caldav or google calendars?22:51
Supermanintightsboth22:51
Supermanintightsi run an appartments company - all of my itinary's are done through ical's from airbnb, and i also run my own personal local calendars22:51
Supermanintightsideally i want something that is seamless with mail so i can put X mail as a todo really easily and quickly22:51
jacobwevolution supports google calendars as does thunderbird through an add on22:52
Supermanintightshmm, what about ical - i don't really go through google calendars22:52
jacobwkorganizer also supports google calendar22:53
jacobwlightning is the thunderbird add on that handles calendars22:53
jacobwmost things can handle ical format22:54
Supermanintightsfair enough22:54
Supermanintightsthanks22:54
Supermanintightshow do i create a unified inbox in thunderbird?23:20
jacobwtry the back and forward buttons at the top of the left pane23:30
Supermanintightsi can't see it23:32
Supermanintightsno back/forward button there that i can see23:32
jacobwok23:33
jacobwjust click the top inbox and its unified23:33
Supermanintightstop inbox is underneath the first inbox23:33
Supermanintightsif that makes sense23:33
Supermanintightsi'm using imap - but that was never a problem before23:33
AzelphurMartijnVdS: haha, you found the sneaky twitter account I reserved for some point in the future that doesn't actually do anything right now :P23:35

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